Serious hbbiq thread

[wes mantooth]

Ok, so i knew losing Clemente would be huge, and it looks like losing Dom and even Lou hurts.  But KU lost 3 guys to the draft and they look fine.  We had a lot of returning talent, coaches picked us to win, so we obviously have good players, right?  I mean 5 or 6 or 7 of these guys played in the Elite 8 10 months ago.  So here we are and we look like dog crap.  Frank hasn't put us, given the players we got back, and the players his staff recruited, in a position to get the most out of our players.  How else can you explain the same guys that almost made the Final 4 last year, look like a bunch of Asbury rejects this year?

Anyone?

_Fan?

[steve dave]

We don't shoot the ball well - sd LBBIQ summary of primary problem

[CHONGS]

eff all of you

(serious)

[OK_Cat]

i'm going to assume that last year was a complete fluke.

[_33]

Self is an amazing coach.

[wes mantooth]

Self is an amazing coach.

Obviously, see TRob thread.

[steve dave]

I mean, KU is a good team.  I at no point had a shed of hope for a win in this game.  Obviously wasn't in the cards.  But, the fact that we played like we did hurt.  I'm terrified Frank is going to run Curt and we are just not a good team at all without him (relatively, we aren't a great team with him).  At the end of the day it's the same L it would have been had we played them close.  Going forward I'm terrified though.  

[0.42]

I mean, KU is a good team.  I at no point had a shed of hope for a win in this game.  Obviously wasn't in the cards.  But, the fact that we played like we did hurt.  I'm terrified Frank is going to run Curt and we are just not a good team at all without him (relatively, we aren't a great team with him).  At the end of the day it's the same L it would have been had we played them close.  Going forward I'm terrified though.  

OSU concerned me. CU numbed me. MU put the fear of god into me. Since then, I've just waited for the other shoe to drop every time we play.

[pike]

I mean, KU is a good team.  I at no point had a shed of hope for a win in this game.  Obviously wasn't in the cards.  But, the fact that we played like we did hurt.  I'm terrified Frank is going to run Curt and we are just not a good team at all without him (relatively, we aren't a great team with him).  At the end of the day it's the same L it would have been had we played them close.  Going forward I'm terrified though.  

This. I mentally prepared myself for a bad loss. I didn't even break anything while watching it, but agree since we played like such dogshit it really makes me question WTF Frank is doing

[wes mantooth]

I mean, KU is a good team.  I at no point had a shed of hope for a win in this game.  Obviously wasn't in the cards.  But, the fact that we played like we did hurt.  I'm terrified Frank is going to run Curt and we are just not a good team at all without him (relatively, we aren't a great team with him).  At the end of the day it's the same L it would have been had we played them close.  Going forward I'm terrified though.  

Great post, I agree, wasn't expecting to win, predicted a 15 point loss.  But i thought we'd at least be in it by half.  The players looked like they didn't give a crap about 2 minutes in, and it never changed.  Then 95 comes in and plays with some energy, has a few good defensive plays, makes a slashing layup, then he doesn't play in the 2nd half??  WTF Frank.  Never seen anyone more eradic (sp) with substitution patterns/unpatterns (not a word) than Frank.

[j rake]

I'd like to see K-State's players take up synchronized swimming for just a day, just to see if five guys can be in motion at once.

[gatoveintisiete]

luv frank, luv his story, luv his passion, and think he is one helluva human being.  Not impressed with his x's and o's and strategery though.

[CHONGS]

 

[pike]

luv frank, luv his story, luv his passion, and think he is one helluva human being.  Not impressed with his x's and o's and strategery though.

Sounds like a photo copy of Wooly

[chum1]

We don't shoot the ball well - sd LBBIQ summary of primary problem

After we lost to Florida, HBBIQers we're like, "meh, we'll shoot better later."  I'm definitely looking forward to that.

[wes mantooth]

We don't shoot the ball well - sd LBBIQ summary of primary problem

After we lost to Florida, HBBIQers we're like, "meh, we'll shoot better later."  I'm definitely looking forward to that.

at least at Florida we planned good defense for a half.  bet we gave up 30 points worth of layups/dunks.

[kso_FAN]

We don't shoot the ball well - sd LBBIQ summary of primary problem

After we lost to Florida, HBBIQers we're like, "meh, we'll shoot better later."  I'm definitely looking forward to that.

I don't believe I ever said we would shoot better, but I did say we need to shoot better.

But tonight's game was similar in many ways to Florida. In the first half we missed a lot of good shots, fairly open threes, shots in the paint at the basket. Then in the 2nd half we just quit playing defense and things got out of hand. Really, comparably this game wasn't a ton worse than KU in Lawrence last year, both were bad losses that weren't very close.

Again, I go back to the games that we lost that are different than last year; at OSU, CU, and even at aTm. We should've won at least 2 of those, if not all 3, and losing those games is really the difference between this year and last, not losing to KU in Lawrence, even if it was an ugly loss.

[Underdog Wildcat]

Very poor recruiting in the backcourt coupled with very poor development in the frontcourt results in a terribly disappointing performance tonight.

Don't really know what else to say, hope we can grind one out Wed against the Nubbs and just try to build from there.

[wes mantooth]

We don't shoot the ball well - sd LBBIQ summary of primary problem

After we lost to Florida, HBBIQers we're like, "meh, we'll shoot better later."  I'm definitely looking forward to that.

I don't believe I ever said we would shoot better, but I did say we need to shoot better.

But tonight's game was similar in many ways to Florida. In the first half we missed a lot of good shots, fairly open threes, shots in the paint at the basket. Then in the 2nd half we just quit playing defense and things got out of hand. Really, comparably this game wasn't a ton worse than KU in Lawrence last year, both were bad losses that weren't very close.

Again, I go back to the games that we lost that are different than last year; at OSU, CU, and even at aTm. We should've won at least 2 of those, if not all 3, and losing those games is really the difference between this year and last, not losing to KU in Lawrence, even if it was an ugly loss.

We played dominating defense against Florida in the 1st half.  This game was nothing like the Florida game.  This game was decided by the tipoff.

[pike]

Very poor recruiting in the backcourt coupled with very poor development in the frontcourt results in a terribly disappointing performance tonight.

Don't really know what else to say, hope we can grind one out Wed against the Nubbs and just try to build from there.

I don't even care anymore.

[Stevesie60]

Very poor recruiting in the backcourt coupled with very poor development in the frontcourt results in a terribly disappointing performance tonight.

Don't really know what else to say, hope we can grind one out Wed against the Nubbs and just try to build from there.

My #1 concern. This staff has not produced a big worthy of playing in the Big 12.

[ksualum92]

Ok, so i knew losing Clemente would be huge, and it looks like losing Dom and even Lou hurts.  But KU lost 3 guys to the draft and they look fine.  We had a lot of returning talent, coaches picked us to win, so we obviously have good players, right?  I mean 5 or 6 or 7 of these guys played in the Elite 8 10 months ago.  So here we are and we look like dog cac.  Frank hasn't put us, given the players we got back, and the players his staff recruited, in a position to get the most out of our players.  How else can you explain the same guys that almost made the Final 4 last year, look like a bunch of Asbury rejects this year?

Anyone?

_Fan?

Really...how original...sounds almost word for word what  Vitale said in the second half...how original.  But true.

[kso_FAN]

We played dominating defense against Florida in the 1st half.  This game was nothing like the Florida game.  This game was decided by the tipoff.

True. I'm just saying the Florida game turned b/c we quit hitting shots about the 10 minute mark of the first half and that eventually carried over to defense. Tonight we quit hitting shots from the tip and that eventually carried over to our defense.

Defensively we actually played worse in Lawrence last year. 1.27 PPP last year vs 1.22 PPP this year, though both are pretty terrible.

[kougar24]

We don't shoot the ball well - sd LBBIQ summary of primary problem

After we lost to Florida, HBBIQers we're like, "meh, we'll shoot better later."  I'm definitely looking forward to that.

I don't believe I ever said we would shoot better, but I did say we need to shoot better.

But tonight's game was similar in many ways to Florida. In the first half we missed a lot of good shots, fairly open threes, shots in the paint at the basket. Then in the 2nd half we just quit playing defense and things got out of hand. Really, comparably this game wasn't a ton worse than KU in Lawrence last year, both were bad losses that weren't very close.

Again, I go back to the games that we lost that are different than last year; at OSU, CU, and even at aTm. We should've won at least 2 of those, if not all 3, and losing those games is really the difference between this year and last, not losing to KU in Lawrence, even if it was an ugly loss.

First, can you call what Wally and Jamar were doing "shots" in the paint? They looked more like throws at the backboard to me.

Secondly, we were within 4 points with 11 minutes to go last year, if I'm not mistaken. Just sayin'. Not the same type of games at all.

[kso_FAN]

First, can you call what Wally and Jamar were doing "shots" in the paint? They looked more like throws at the backboard to me.

Secondly, we were within 4 points with 11 minutes to go last year, if I'm not mistaken. Just sayin'. Not the same type of games at all.

True, we were in the game much longer last year. Defensively overall the games were about the same, but last year we actually hit some shots. We did allow them to shoot a ridiculously high percentage this year compared to last, though both were bad.