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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #125 on: April 15, 2014, 11:52:50 AM »
sounds like that doctor was  a huge dumbass and should be fired.

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« Reply #126 on: April 15, 2014, 11:56:19 AM »
sounds like that doctor was  a huge dumbass and should be fired.

I agree. Unfortunately, I'm sure he is still practicing.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #127 on: April 15, 2014, 11:58:26 AM »
people almost never sue their doctor unless the dr. is a dickhead. i learned that in "blink" by malcolm gladwell. this quack probably had it coming.

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« Reply #128 on: April 15, 2014, 11:59:29 AM »
Yeah, I wasn't upset about it or anything. I guess I have always just assumed that specialists are harder to see on short notice than GPs. Is that not the case? If you thought you had a broken bone, would you wait a couple of days to have it X-rayed or go to the ER instead of just having a GP look at it?

depends on a million factors with the actual specialty and what you need to see them for being the most important. a non urgent new patient appointment with a dermatologist would be one of the longer if not longest waits that i could imagine. also, if i have reason to believe that i just broke a bone then yeah, i'm probably going to the ER so they can consult w/ the on call guy about it. the gp would be the last place i'd go.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #129 on: April 15, 2014, 12:02:18 PM »
sounds like that doctor was  a huge dumbass and should be fired.
I agree. Unfortunately, I'm sure he is still practicing.
it's impossible for a dr. to lose their license.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #130 on: April 15, 2014, 12:05:28 PM »
You're all saying what you wild do with a broken bone... We'd all be writhing (to use SDs word) in pain... Not feeling a cramp or Charlie horse,  so of course we'd either go to the ER or another course of action till relieve/diagnose our acute pain...

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #131 on: April 15, 2014, 12:07:08 PM »
Plaintiff lawyer said after the case that malpractice or negligence cases are almost impossible to get rulings that go against the Dr.

sounds like that doctor was  a huge dumbass and should be fired.
I agree. Unfortunately, I'm sure he is still practicing.
it's impossible for a dr. to lose their license.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #132 on: April 15, 2014, 12:07:56 PM »
Plaintiff lawyer said after the case that malpractice or negligence cases are almost impossible to get rulings that go against the Dr.

sounds like that doctor was  a huge dumbass and should be fired.
I agree. Unfortunately, I'm sure he is still practicing.
it's impossible for a dr. to lose their license.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #133 on: April 15, 2014, 12:28:28 PM »
Plaintiff lawyer said after the case that malpractice or negligence cases are almost impossible to get rulings that go against the Dr.

sounds like that doctor was  a huge dumbass and should be fired.
I agree. Unfortunately, I'm sure he is still practicing.
it's impossible for a dr. to lose their license.

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if this happened in johnson county, ks, then he's right


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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #134 on: April 15, 2014, 12:30:45 PM »
Clay county MO

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #135 on: April 15, 2014, 12:35:49 PM »
did both atty specialize in med mal?  the med mal pros won't take a case unless they know they're going to settle.  on the flip side, i've seen a non-med mal guy lose his ass taking a med mal case to trial which he wasn't qualified to argue.  at the end he couldn't even afford the trial notes and was borrowing them from the defense.


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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #136 on: April 15, 2014, 12:57:30 PM »
One time I broke my ankle. Didn't hurt too bad, but I went straight to the ER.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #137 on: April 15, 2014, 01:43:35 PM »
Plaintiff lawyer said after the case that malpractice or negligence cases are almost impossible to get rulings that go against the Dr.

sounds like that doctor was  a huge dumbass and should be fired.
I agree. Unfortunately, I'm sure he is still practicing.
it's impossible for a dr. to lose their license.

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if this happened in johnson county, ks, then he's right
the dr. who delivered my brother was hammered. lost his license in ks so now he practices in florida.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #138 on: April 15, 2014, 01:44:57 PM »
did both atty specialize in med mal?  the med mal pros won't take a case unless they know they're going to settle.  on the flip side, i've seen a non-med mal guy lose his ass taking a med mal case to trial which he wasn't qualified to argue.  at the end he couldn't even afford the trial notes and was borrowing them from the defense.

I don't think so...the main prosecuting attorney Patrick Berrigan (http://www.kctriallawyers.com/new_page_1.htm) is a criminal lawyer, he was entertaining to listen to...the #2 plaintiff lawyer (Brian Klopfenstein) lists personal injury among his fields

This is the case record...

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchDockets.do

record # 7CV105007308

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #139 on: April 15, 2014, 01:48:28 PM »
Also of note...during selection process, they ask you if you know any lawyers...I threw out Limestone & Belvis by name since I know them personally...I guess I should have also said that I know Trim & BSAC...prolly would have got my name off the list, Belvis & Limestone just didn't carry enough weight on their own apparently   :dubious:

You probably also could've gotten tossed if you'd been saying stuff during voir dire about prosecutors and determining whether the doctor was guilty or not.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #140 on: April 15, 2014, 01:59:56 PM »
I don't think the doctor was a "dumbass" for missing the broken bone. People will miss things they aren't expecting to see, and I'm guessing a high percentage of doctors would have missed the broken bone in similar circumstances. "The Invisible Gorilla" has some great info about cases like this.

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« Reply #141 on: April 15, 2014, 02:37:05 PM »
Also of note...during selection process, they ask you if you know any lawyers...I threw out Limestone & Belvis by name since I know them personally...I guess I should have also said that I know Trim & BSAC...prolly would have got my name off the list, Belvis & Limestone just didn't carry enough weight on their own apparently   :dubious:

You probably also could've gotten tossed if you'd been saying stuff during voir dire about prosecutors and determining whether the doctor was guilty or not.

Easily...I only talked twice, once when they asked about lawyers, and again when the defendants lawyer asked me what my job title specifically does...anybody that raised their hand more than a few times was off the jury

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #142 on: April 15, 2014, 02:38:24 PM »
I don't think the doctor was a "dumbass" for missing the broken bone. People will miss things they aren't expecting to see, and I'm guessing a high percentage of doctors would have missed the broken bone in similar circumstances. "The Invisible Gorilla" has some great info about cases like this.

pretty big effing mistake if you are the guy that it happened to.  Why the eff else do you go to the doctor?  GP's are lazy as eff and just want their insurance check.  For christ sakes the dude is a PP and can't feel he's got a broken leg.  Do your job and protect the dude.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #143 on: April 15, 2014, 02:51:13 PM »
I don't think the doctor was a "dumbass" for missing the broken bone. People will miss things they aren't expecting to see, and I'm guessing a high percentage of doctors would have missed the broken bone in similar circumstances. "The Invisible Gorilla" has some great info about cases like this.

pretty big effing mistake if you are the guy that it happened to.  Why the eff else do you go to the doctor?  GP's are lazy as eff and just want their insurance check.  For christ sakes the dude is a PP and can't feel he's got a broken leg.  Do your job and protect the dude.

It's a big mistake, but what I'm saying it's one a lot of doctors would probably make, (even non-lazy ones). crap happens sometimes, ya know?

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #144 on: April 15, 2014, 03:12:08 PM »
I don't think the doctor was a "dumbass" for missing the broken bone. People will miss things they aren't expecting to see, and I'm guessing a high percentage of doctors would have missed the broken bone in similar circumstances. "The Invisible Gorilla" has some great info about cases like this.

pretty big effing mistake if you are the guy that it happened to.  Why the eff else do you go to the doctor?  GP's are lazy as eff and just want their insurance check.  For christ sakes the dude is a PP and can't feel he's got a broken leg.  Do your job and protect the dude.

It's a big mistake, but what I'm saying it's one a lot of doctors would probably make, (even non-lazy ones). crap happens sometimes, ya know?

Lawyers, strictly hypothetically speaking...if a hypothetical juror takes a photo of evidence after deliberations were completed, is that illegal?

If said hypothetical juror were to post hypothetical photo of hypothetical evidence for review in a public forum, would that be illegeler?

Do either of these potential illegalities carry a large enough penalty to make hypothetical juror not post hypothetical photo of hypothetical evidence on a public forum?

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« Reply #145 on: April 15, 2014, 04:01:56 PM »
I don't think the doctor was a "dumbass" for missing the broken bone. People will miss things they aren't expecting to see, and I'm guessing a high percentage of doctors would have missed the broken bone in similar circumstances. "The Invisible Gorilla" has some great info about cases like this.

pretty big effing mistake if you are the guy that it happened to.  Why the eff else do you go to the doctor?  GP's are lazy as eff and just want their insurance check.  For christ sakes the dude is a PP and can't feel he's got a broken leg.  Do your job and protect the dude.

It's a big mistake, but what I'm saying it's one a lot of doctors would probably make, (even non-lazy ones). crap happens sometimes, ya know?


it was somewhat unfortunate that the gp felt the need to perform the x-ray and then attempt to read it on his own while simultaneously not knowing how to and/or being very good at it. this is not surprising though and does not equal neglect or illustrate lack of standard of care on his part.

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« Reply #146 on: April 15, 2014, 04:20:54 PM »
I don't think the doctor was a "dumbass" for missing the broken bone. People will miss things they aren't expecting to see, and I'm guessing a high percentage of doctors would have missed the broken bone in similar circumstances. "The Invisible Gorilla" has some great info about cases like this.

pretty big effing mistake if you are the guy that it happened to.  Why the eff else do you go to the doctor?  GP's are lazy as eff and just want their insurance check.  For christ sakes the dude is a PP and can't feel he's got a broken leg.  Do your job and protect the dude.

It's a big mistake, but what I'm saying it's one a lot of doctors would probably make, (even non-lazy ones). crap happens sometimes, ya know?


it was somewhat unfortunate that the gp felt the need to perform the x-ray and then attempt to read it on his own while simultaneously not knowing how to and/or being very good at it. this is not surprising though and does not equal neglect or illustrate lack of standard of care on his part.

How hard would it have been to just email the x-ray to somebody who knows how to read it and follow up with his patient if his initial diagnosis is inaccurate? Doesn't seem like it would be hard at all if the doctor actually gave a crap about his job or the people he is paid to take care of.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #147 on: April 15, 2014, 04:23:17 PM »
I don't think the doctor was a "dumbass" for missing the broken bone. People will miss things they aren't expecting to see, and I'm guessing a high percentage of doctors would have missed the broken bone in similar circumstances. "The Invisible Gorilla" has some great info about cases like this.

pretty big effing mistake if you are the guy that it happened to.  Why the eff else do you go to the doctor?  GP's are lazy as eff and just want their insurance check.  For christ sakes the dude is a PP and can't feel he's got a broken leg.  Do your job and protect the dude.

It's a big mistake, but what I'm saying it's one a lot of doctors would probably make, (even non-lazy ones). crap happens sometimes, ya know?


it was somewhat unfortunate that the gp felt the need to perform the x-ray and then attempt to read it on his own while simultaneously not knowing how to and/or being very good at it. this is not surprising though and does not equal neglect or illustrate lack of standard of care on his part.

How hard would it have been to just email the x-ray to somebody who knows how to read it and follow up with his patient if his initial diagnosis is inaccurate? Doesn't seem like it would be hard at all if the doctor actually gave a crap about his job or the people he is paid to take care of.

He probably didn't see anything out of the ordinary. And he did give the defendant the x-rays to show the B&J doc.

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« Reply #148 on: April 15, 2014, 04:25:50 PM »
I don't think the doctor was a "dumbass" for missing the broken bone. People will miss things they aren't expecting to see, and I'm guessing a high percentage of doctors would have missed the broken bone in similar circumstances. "The Invisible Gorilla" has some great info about cases like this.

pretty big effing mistake if you are the guy that it happened to.  Why the eff else do you go to the doctor?  GP's are lazy as eff and just want their insurance check.  For christ sakes the dude is a PP and can't feel he's got a broken leg.  Do your job and protect the dude.

It's a big mistake, but what I'm saying it's one a lot of doctors would probably make, (even non-lazy ones). crap happens sometimes, ya know?


it was somewhat unfortunate that the gp felt the need to perform the x-ray and then attempt to read it on his own while simultaneously not knowing how to and/or being very good at it. this is not surprising though and does not equal neglect or illustrate lack of standard of care on his part.

How hard would it have been to just email the x-ray to somebody who knows how to read it and follow up with his patient if his initial diagnosis is inaccurate? Doesn't seem like it would be hard at all if the doctor actually gave a crap about his job or the people he is paid to take care of.

He probably didn't see anything out of the ordinary. And he did give the defendant the x-rays to show the B&J doc.

Everything about this patient is out of the ordinary. And he set up the appointment with the other doctor for a whole week later.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #149 on: April 15, 2014, 04:26:26 PM »
Lawyers, strictly hypothetically speaking...if a hypothetical juror takes a photo of evidence after deliberations were completed, is that illegal?

If said hypothetical juror were to post hypothetical photo of hypothetical evidence for review in a public forum, would that be illegeler?

Do either of these potential illegalities carry a large enough penalty to make hypothetical juror not post hypothetical photo of hypothetical evidence on a public forum?

 :popcorn:

If this was all just a big lead-up to flipping the script and posting some more NEZ renderings, I say, as always, do whatever you want.