Jury Duty

[raquetcat]

I don't think the Dr is stupid for having missed the break he just should have done a better job with the follow up part, either saying if it still hurts in 2 days come see me again (which seems to be the go to Dr line if they can't figure out what's wrong with you) or finding out when the ortho follow up was and helping with that. Basically if he had told the guy to come see him again he could have avoided getting sued and made more money, and probably still could have just referred him to the ortho.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't think the Dr is stupid for having missed the break he just should have done a better job with the follow up part, either saying if it still hurts in 2 days come see me again (which seems to be the go to Dr line if they can't figure out what's wrong with you) or finding out when the ortho follow up was and helping with that. Basically if he had told the guy to come see him again he could have avoided getting sued and made more money, and probably still could have just referred him to the ortho.

The problem was the doctor not being able to read the x-ray, not that the guy needed to come see him again. He should have realized that he doesn't see many x-rays of paraplegics and that he should have somebody else look at it. Then he should have called the patient later that day when it turned out he did indeed miss the fracture so he could get the leg restrained and maybe figure out a way for the guy to actually go see somebody who knows what he's doing in less time than a whole week.

[EMAWesome]

I don't think the doctor was a "dumbass" for missing the broken bone. People will miss things they aren't expecting to see, and I'm guessing a high percentage of doctors would have missed the broken bone in similar circumstances. "The Invisible Gorilla" has some great info about cases like this.

pretty big effing mistake if you are the guy that it happened to.  Why the eff else do you go to the doctor?  GP's are lazy as eff and just want their insurance check.  For christ sakes the dude is a PP and can't feel he's got a broken leg.  Do your job and protect the dude.

It's a big mistake, but what I'm saying it's one a lot of doctors would probably make, (even non-lazy ones). crap happens sometimes, ya know?

it was somewhat unfortunate that the gp felt the need to perform the x-ray and then attempt to read it on his own while simultaneously not knowing how to and/or being very good at it. this is not surprising though and does not equal neglect or illustrate lack of standard of care on his part.

How hard would it have been to just email the x-ray to somebody who knows how to read it and follow up with his patient if his initial diagnosis is inaccurate? Doesn't seem like it would be hard at all if the doctor actually gave a crap about his job or the people he is paid to take care of.

This was 2004...X-ray's, at least in this case weren't digital...you are on the same train of thought I was on though... I thought using a courier to get the X-ray's to the ortho would have been prudent

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[Dr Rick Daris]

hey, i mean how hard can it be to get someone who is probably overworked and stressed out to get another person who is probably overworked and stressed out to help them with something that they're pretty sure they already know the answer to and both know that the second person won't get paid to do it. i mean do the rough ridin' math on that one.

also in defense of the gp, he already sent the guy over to a surgeon for something that didn't require surgery once and there is a difference between giving someone business and over referring/taking up all their time on fruitless new patient appointments/consults. the ortho guy might have jfc'd him into next week for sending the scan and/or patient over like it was some kind of emergency if it ended up being normal for all we know. no win situation with a challenging and apparently litigious patient.

[Spracne]

hey, i mean how hard can it be to get someone who is probably overworked and stressed out to get another person who is probably overworked and stressed out to help them with something that they're pretty sure they already know the answer to and both know that the second person won't get paid to do it. i mean do the rough ridin' math on that one.

also in defense of the gp, he already sent the guy over to a surgeon for something that didn't require surgery once and there is a difference between giving someone business and over referring/taking up all their time on fruitless new patient appointments/consults. the ortho guy might have jfc'd him into next week for sending the scan and/or patient over like it was some kind of emergency if it ended up being normal for all we know. no win situation with a challenging and apparently litigious patient.

I have changed my tune and am now in whatever camp RowdyBoyy is whenever it comes to these issues.  You can tell he is a physician IRL.

[wetwillie]

hey, i mean how hard can it be to get someone who is probably overworked and stressed out to get another person who is probably overworked and stressed out to help them with something that they're pretty sure they already know the answer to and both know that the second person won't get paid to do it. i mean do the rough ridin' math on that one.

also in defense of the gp, he already sent the guy over to a surgeon for something that didn't require surgery once and there is a difference between giving someone business and over referring/taking up all their time on fruitless new patient appointments/consults. the ortho guy might have jfc'd him into next week for sending the scan and/or patient over like it was some kind of emergency if it ended up being normal for all we know. no win situation with a challenging and apparently litigious patient.

I have changed my tune and am now in whatever camp RowdyBoyy is whenever it comes to these issues.  You can tell he is a physician IRL.

A doctor of the long arm of the law

[bubbles4ksu]

hey, i mean how hard can it be to get someone who is probably overworked and stressed out to get another person who is probably overworked and stressed out to help them with something that they're pretty sure they already know the answer to and both know that the second person won't get paid to do it. i mean do the rough ridin' math on that one.

also in defense of the gp, he already sent the guy over to a surgeon for something that didn't require surgery once and there is a difference between giving someone business and over referring/taking up all their time on fruitless new patient appointments/consults. the ortho guy might have jfc'd him into next week for sending the scan and/or patient over like it was some kind of emergency if it ended up being normal for all we know. no win situation with a challenging and apparently litigious patient.

I have changed my tune and am now in whatever camp RowdyBoyy is whenever it comes to these issues.  You can tell he is a physician IRL.

the money part of the argument is disappointing but i don't think it's legally relevant.

edit: by disappointing i mean sad and it gets my sympathy.

[Bloodfart]

hey, i mean how hard can it be to get someone who is probably overworked and stressed out to get another person who is probably overworked and stressed out to help them with something that they're pretty sure they already know the answer to and both know that the second person won't get paid to do it. i mean do the rough ridin' math on that one.

also in defense of the gp, he already sent the guy over to a surgeon for something that didn't require surgery once and there is a difference between giving someone business and over referring/taking up all their time on fruitless new patient appointments/consults. the ortho guy might have jfc'd him into next week for sending the scan and/or patient over like it was some kind of emergency if it ended up being normal for all we know. no win situation with a challenging and apparently litigious patient.

The Mrs. deals with this kinda crap daily.  The ER Doc calls her about admitting a patient with a dead foot lastnight which is something she can't do anything with.  So she tells him to call the cardiologist that's on call.  ER doc calls back and says the cardiologist hung up on him twice and it would great if she could just admit the patient.  So she does and now she is the attending for a patient she will not even be caring for.  This kinda crap seems to happen often.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Those poor overworked doctors.

[Bloodfart]

Those poor overworked doctors.

That's an oxymorton.

[Mr Bread]

hey, i mean how hard can it be to get someone who is probably overworked and stressed out to get another person who is probably overworked and stressed out to help them with something that they're pretty sure they already know the answer to and both know that the second person won't get paid to do it. i mean do the rough ridin' math on that one.

also in defense of the gp, he already sent the guy over to a surgeon for something that didn't require surgery once and there is a difference between giving someone business and over referring/taking up all their time on fruitless new patient appointments/consults. the ortho guy might have jfc'd him into
next week for sending the scan and/or patient over like it was some kind of emergency if it ended up being normal for all we know. no win situation with a challenging and apparently litigious patient.

I have changed my tune and am now in whatever camp RowdyBoyy is whenever it comes to these issues.  You can tell he is a physician IRL.

FYI clams is too.  He is not a pilot so don't fall for that. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

"Hey, doc, you got a second to take a look at this x-ray? It's a paraplegic, and I can't really tell if he has a break or not. You specialize in this kind of thing, and we could save this guy a whole lot of time, money, and pain if we find something now rather than later."

"Not now. I'm way too busy HELPING PEOPLE. Get that x-ray out of my face."

"Good point. I'm too busy, too. I'm not even getting paid extra for this phone call. JFC, the guy is probably fine. Thanks for your time, doc."

[Dr Rick Daris]

"Hey, doc, you got a second to take a look at this x-ray? It's a paraplegic, and I can't really tell if he has a break or not. You specialize in this kind of thing, and we could save this guy a whole lot of time, money, and pain if we find something now rather than later."

"Not now. I'm way too busy HELPING PEOPLE. Get that x-ray out of my face."

"Good point. I'm too busy, too. I'm not even getting paid extra for this phone call. JFC, the guy is probably fine. Thanks for your time, doc."

fwiw, i started to break this down for you and tell you everything that was dumb about what you just wrote (and there was a lot), but then stopped. you don't really care and i don't have the time or patience.

[Cire]

Why do doctors get a free pass?

[Dugout DickStone]

Why do doctors get a free pass?

They don't

[star seed 7]

Doctors!!! 

[Emo EMAW]

Doctors kill more people than guns. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Doctors kill more people than guns. 

Interesting if true.

[star seed 7]

You'll never take the doctors away

[puniraptor]

i thought x-rays were read by radiologists, who specialize in reading x-rays, and they send a report of what they see to the doc?

[Dr Rick Daris]

i thought x-rays were read by radiologists, who specialize in reading x-rays, and they send a report of what they see to the doc?

yes. radiologists read xrays, ct scans, mris, etc. so do surgeons and other people as well.

[puniraptor]

but i'm not supposed to trust my GP to read an xray for himself, am I?

[Dr Rick Daris]

but i'm not supposed to trust my GP to read an xray for himself, am I?

can we not slowplay this?

[Tobias]

i think @bubbles4ksu may be interested in the one i'm on

[puniraptor]

A socialist stabbed a fascist