Author Topic: How the 2011 KSU recruiting class stacks up against KU and ISU - BCS Offers (Read 11415 times)

Pete · « **on:** January 23, 2011, 07:30:24 PM »

As usual, our staff has done a wonderful job of finding the diamonds in the rough...those players that no other BCS schools knew about. I have compiled the number of BCS offers (I counted both Boise State and TCU as BCS level schools) that each commit from KSU, KU and ISU have this year. Below are the results.

A few of my observations:
1. KU has been nearly twice as ineffective at finding hidden gems as Bill.
2. Bill is not doing nearly as good of a job at finding hidden gems as Iowa State.
2. Kentucky knows how Bill's ass tastes. Suck it, Kentucky.
3. Devondrkick Nealy, OMG!

Trim · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:33:55 PM »

Can you reformat these charts to fit better in banner form? T-Y, Trim

KSUTOMMY · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:35:25 PM »

Good lord.

Pete · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:40:09 PM »

Quote from: KSUTOMMY on January 23, 2011, 07:35:25 PM

Good lord.

I know, right? Kinda gets in you the gut when you see it laid out like that...

Pete · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:43:34 PM »

I was rough ridin' pumped that we stole a kicker from Boise State. Boise took two kickers in this year's class. Does that mean our guy is better or worse than I thought?

wetwillie · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:47:53 PM »

Can I go ahead and blame Meshak's lack of BCS offers on him being wrapped up in the middle of 2009? Would help my psyche, hope we can agree.

EDIT: Throw Pease in there too, TIA.

chunkles · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2011, 08:15:17 PM »

Quote from: Pete on January 23, 2011, 07:43:34 PM

I was rough ridin' pumped that we stole a kicker from Boise State. Boise took two kickers in this year's class. Does that mean our guy is better or worse than I thought?

DOES IT MATTER? STCSS knows special teams, kid's going to destroy the ball with his kicks once STCSS is done w/ him. NEW STCSS FTW.

Pete · « **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2011, 08:40:41 PM »

BREAKING NEWS!!!! We just landed three-star DE Hunter Davis!!!! However, this does not raise our BCS offer count.

Pete · « **Reply #8 on:** January 23, 2011, 08:43:32 PM »

The Hunter Davis news comes to us from the Tulsa Newsaper. http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/TU/article.aspx?subjectid=94&articleid=20110123_94_0_TheUni55717

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This is the one I've been trying to get.

Hopefully there are more to come too. There are more names we haven't unveiled yet.

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Brian Gates is waiting to unveil the others until other small timey media outlets break the news....Gates must have agreed to "sit on it."

Pete · « **Reply #9 on:** January 23, 2011, 08:45:22 PM »

...also, if Tulsa ever gets into a BCS conference, we are completely mumped.

O-town Kat · « **Reply #10 on:** January 23, 2011, 09:49:03 PM »

Bill's replacement will have lots of practice players to work with, so that's comforting.

i poo crabs · « **Reply #11 on:** January 23, 2011, 09:56:00 PM »

Quote from: Pete on January 23, 2011, 08:40:41 PM

BREAKING NEWS!!!! We just landed three-star DE Hunter Davis!!!! However, this does not raise our BCS offer count.

If you check out Rivals, after he opened up his commitment, he received offers from Texas Tech, and Texas A&M

Rams · « **Reply #12 on:** January 23, 2011, 10:21:24 PM »

Quote from: Pete on January 23, 2011, 07:40:09 PM

Quote from: KSUTOMMY on January 23, 2011, 07:35:25 PM

Good lord.

I know, right? Kinda gets in you the gut when you see it laid out like that...

Wow...that's rough ridin' depressing.

You can't even bring this up to the 'tards though. They'll immediately site Bryce and Arthur and place them in this recruiting class. As if OB's just gonna keep on finding 5 star recruits to transfer in every class.

Then they'll tuck in their shirt and spew some garbage about how Bill always finds the gems that nobody else is in on and this isn't a big deal at all. Just ask 'em. Recruiting rankings mean nothing.

Seriously, somebody post this over there and watch what happens. They're like rough ridin' drones.

KSUBrian · « **Reply #13 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:29:38 AM »

Quote from: Rams on January 23, 2011, 10:21:24 PM

Quote from: Pete on January 23, 2011, 07:40:09 PM
Quote from: KSUTOMMY on January 23, 2011, 07:35:25 PM

Good lord.

I know, right? Kinda gets in you the gut when you see it laid out like that...

Wow...that's effing depressing.

You can't even bring this up to the 'tards though. They'll immediately site Bryce and Arthur and place them in this recruiting class. As if OB's just gonna keep on finding 5 star recruits to transfer in every class. Then they'll tuck in their shirt and spew some garbage about how Bill always finds the gems that nobody else is in on and this isn't a big deal at all. Just ask 'em. Recruiting rankings mean nothing.

Seriously, somebody post this over there and watch what happens. They're like effing drones.

I know you like to spew the blah, blah, blah, synder can't recruit, blah, blah, blah, the shirt tucks are such big tards, waa, waa, waa our recruiting rankings suck. But, there are several gems that played for HCBS that are now playing on Sundays and the classes that resulted in 11 win seasons, North titles, bowl games and a Big 12 Championship were very similar to this one.

The continual bitching and moaning around here makes me

and

me to

Trim · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:34:08 AM »

Quote from: KSUBrian on January 24, 2011, 12:29:38 AM

But, there are several gems that played for HCBS that are now playing on Sundays and the classes that resulted in 11 win seasons, North titles, bowl games and a Big 12 Championship were very similar to this one.

Well yeah, before Rusty became michigancat, we could've all gone over to his neighbor's and warmed up the delorean (I'll drive, not you) and gone back to 1998 and all our football problems would be solved. But where are we gonna find a time machine now?

Havs · « **Reply #15 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:46:27 AM »

Looks like LHC Bill Snyder needs an "I'm So Proud" moment.

Pete · « **Reply #16 on:** January 24, 2011, 07:52:29 AM »

Quote from: ninglu86 on January 23, 2011, 09:56:00 PM

Quote from: Pete on January 23, 2011, 08:40:41 PM
BREAKING NEWS!!!! We just landed three-star DE Hunter Davis!!!! However, this does not raise our BCS offer count.

If you check out Rivals, after he opened up his commitment, he received offers from Texas Tech, and Texas A&M

LOL, no he didn't. He said they were talking about having him visit...READ: "you might be a back up plan for us, so keep a carry-on bag packed."

steve dave · « **Reply #17 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:00:37 AM »

Good recruiting convo. going on GPC right now discussing our recruiting class sitting at dead last in the B12. It's only in it's first page but they've already covered:

-Yeah, well, Ron Prince had some highly ranked classes and you see how those turned out
-Obvious Turner Gill/Ron Prince comparo to explain Turner's class being ranked much higher
-Glen Mason and Terry Allen out recruited Bill according to Rivals and he destroyed them
-It's not the talent you bring in it's how you coach them
-Rivals rankings are bullshit
-Stars don't matter
-I'll trust our staff's evaluation of talent over Rivals and other coaches who haven't offered
-We should be able to count the grey shirt kids who we counted last year in this year's class again
-We are addressing issues we have and this is more important than talent
-Totally serious references to hidden gems and diamonds in the rough

Pete · « **Reply #18 on:** January 24, 2011, 10:02:42 AM »

You guys, Tulsa has been in on a huge number of our recruits....this MUST mean that they are also very skilled at finding the gems that no other BCS team sees. Tulsa will prolly dominate it's conference for the next decade.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #19 on:** January 24, 2011, 10:37:26 AM »

I think it's amazing that they are recruiting as well as they are. I know I would never sign up to play for the best coaches in the AARP.

wabash909 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 24, 2011, 10:44:54 AM »

Quote from: KSUBrian on January 24, 2011, 12:29:38 AM

Quote from: Rams on January 23, 2011, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: Pete on January 23, 2011, 07:40:09 PM
Quote from: KSUTOMMY on January 23, 2011, 07:35:25 PM

Good lord.

I know, right? Kinda gets in you the gut when you see it laid out like that...

Wow...that's effing depressing.

You can't even bring this up to the 'tards though. They'll immediately site Bryce and Arthur and place them in this recruiting class. As if OB's just gonna keep on finding 5 star recruits to transfer in every class. Then they'll tuck in their shirt and spew some garbage about how Bill always finds the gems that nobody else is in on and this isn't a big deal at all. Just ask 'em. Recruiting rankings mean nothing.

Seriously, somebody post this over there and watch what happens. They're like effing drones.

I know you like to spew the blah, blah, blah, synder can't recruit, blah, blah, blah, the shirt tucks are such big tards, waa, waa, waa our recruiting rankings suck. But, there are several gems that played for HCBS that are now playing on Sundays and the classes that resulted in 11 win seasons, North titles, bowl games and a Big 12 Championship were very similar to this one.

The continual bitching and moaning around here makes me and me to

Every school has under-recruited gems.

But, this is just the most popular fallacy Snyder apologists like to prop up to support his shitty recruiting time and again.

The popular method of rationalizing the sub-par recruiting is to say Bill always had bottom of the barrell talent that he brought in and coached up. The reality is, during the DOD, we were also pulling plenty of excellent talent from Florida and Texas and a much higher level of player from the JUCO ranks.

In today's ranking system, guys like Michael Bishop and Quincy Morgan both would have been 5 stars. Hell, Quincy Morgan committed to Ohio State out of high school and was the second highest rated WR in the country behind David Boston.

OlatheWildcat · « **Reply #21 on:** January 24, 2011, 10:45:42 AM »

I'm not sure why people still fight about these recruiting services. It's a complete crapshoot. If these Rivals guys were excellent at talent evaluation, wouldn't you think a college or the NFL would hire them? For every example that shows recruiting stars matter, I can come up with an example that they do not mean much. To agree with you guys, though, the best evaluation of recruiting would be the other offers the prospect had.

KITNfury · « **Reply #22 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:26:39 AM »

We're so screwed. I'm depressed about ksu sports teams that count. Maybe someone can confirm if we have any second/third rate teams that are good so that I can follow them?

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #23 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:33:16 AM »

Quote from: Haverhill on January 24, 2011, 12:46:27 AM

Looks like LHC Bill Snyder needs an "I'm So Proud" moment.

Why? He owns Rhodes.

wabash909 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:35:10 AM »

Quote from: OlatheWildcat on January 24, 2011, 10:45:42 AM

I'm not sure why people still fight about these recruiting services. It's a complete crapshoot. If these Rivals guys were excellent at talent evaluation, wouldn't you think a college or the NFL would hire them? For every example that shows recruiting stars matter, I can come up with an example that they do not mean much. To agree with you guys, though, the best evaluation of recruiting would be the other offers the prospect had.

Stars do matter, on the whole.

And the hyperbolic argument against it of "Well, how come these guys aren't working for the NFL" or for every "Ndamukong Suh I can name you 5 Jordy Nelson's taken in the 5th round that turned out to be great" is such horseshit.

See both articles:

http://www.thedailygopher.com/2010/4/22/1436208/nfl-draft-projections-vindicate

http://m.si.com/news/wr/wr/detail/2541786/full;jsessionid=8A7F346192F3C18AC0D8B6D8421F3952.cnnsi1b

The reality is there is A LOT of money in the recruiting analysis and more and more resources being put towards it have generated much higher degrees of accuracy over the years. Are there still anomolies? Yes. But, on the whole, the the NFL draft in itself vindicates the star ranking system, and does so convincingly.

The overwhelming vast majority of NFL draft picks in the first four rounds were 4 stars or higher out of high school. That's a fact.

And the reality, whether any Snyder apologist wants to accept it or not, is that the collegiate programs with the higest ranked classes full of the highest ranked players, compete at the highest level of college football, play for championships, and consistently and have the most players taken in the draft annually. You can't even defend it otherwise.

So, we can pretend all day that they don't matter, but the reality is, if you don't recruit at a high level within the modern ranking structure, and you're going to depend on filling your roster with low level talent, you're going to perpetually be fighting an uphill battle and continually be behind the competitive curve.