Author Topic: Texas A&M (Read 8864 times)

mcmwcat · « **on:** January 21, 2011, 08:27:36 AM »

i have no clue about this team. _Fan? anyone? i have not seen them play once this year. just looking at their schedule they have one quality win UW at home by 1.

mcmwcat · « **Reply #1 on:** January 21, 2011, 08:29:01 AM »

listening to Gottlieb and Petro a couple weeks ago they said KSU had more talent.

i didn't believe them then.

and now? well

steve dave · « **Reply #2 on:** January 21, 2011, 08:47:36 AM »

They got destroyed by Texas

Texas looks amazing though.

bigDcat · « **Reply #3 on:** January 21, 2011, 08:52:44 AM »

They had a weak non-con.

mcmwcat · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2011, 08:59:55 AM »

Quote from: bigDcat on January 21, 2011, 08:52:44 AM

They had a weak non-con.

no crap?

mcmwcat · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2011, 09:02:45 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on January 21, 2011, 08:47:36 AM

They got destroyed by Texas Texas looks amazing though.

UT / KU should be pretty amazing. gotta give the edge to the KU's because of home court but I don't think they've faced anyone this year with as much talent as UT has. not sure who to root for in this one if I want to see a close race in the Big 12.

back to aTm, i don't think it's fair to measure them against UT on the road. beating a good UW team at home is probably a better measuring stick when looking at our chances.

catzacker · « **Reply #6 on:** January 21, 2011, 09:08:50 AM »

physical team. good OR team, doesn't let the other team OR. shoots the 3 well. i think they are more athletic than us at most every position. whomever is guarding middleton will be in foul trouble early (jamar?) - probably a game where we say "wish we had dom". I think Ken is right, prolly a 25% chance of winning.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #7 on:** January 21, 2011, 09:23:26 AM »

aTm is a very solid team; wins over Temple, Washington, and Missouri show that. Plus they destroyed the same OSU team that beat us. They play at a slower pace than any team in the league (64.7 possessions per game) and are a great rebounding team. They are successfully playing more JYC than we are being in the top 15 in both OR% and FT Rate. Khris Middleton has developed into one of the best players in the league. They have a couple small, quick guards (Holmes and Harris) that could give us trouble with penetration and some nice bigs (Loubeau and Walkup) that will give us some challenges inside. They aren't an overly deep team, but their first 6 or 7 is really solid and Turgeon has them playing really well. It will be a huge challenge to go down there and win.

WillieWatanabe · « **Reply #8 on:** January 21, 2011, 09:25:38 AM »

I have a feeling i'm going to hate ~~middleton~~ Walkup.

EllToPay · « **Reply #9 on:** January 21, 2011, 09:32:52 AM »

Much better chance of winning in College Station than in Columbia, imo.

Jmo · « **Reply #10 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:01:02 AM »

They are too physical for us. We lose by 20 and Turgeon smirks the entire game.

FP TC etc. · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:11:07 AM »

I hate Nathan "Baseline Dunk" Walkup

catzacker · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:12:10 AM »

the only way the season is a success is if we start counting losses < 10 points as wins. So F U big 12, we're 2-2, not 1-3.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #13 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:23:29 AM »

One positive; Turgeon is only 1-6 vs K-State in his coaching career.

catzacker · « **Reply #14 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:41:49 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 10:23:29 AM

One positive; Turgeon is only 1-6 vs K-State in his coaching career.

wsu was awful that year too. of course that was jim's first year too.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #15 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:47:36 AM »

Quote from: catzacker on January 21, 2011, 10:41:49 AM

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 10:23:29 AM
One positive; Turgeon is only 1-6 vs K-State in his coaching career.

wsu was awful that year too. of course that was jim's first year too.

Oops, meant 2-5. Turg was 2-2 vs Wooly.

wetwillie · « **Reply #16 on:** January 21, 2011, 11:00:31 AM »

Quote from: catzacker on January 21, 2011, 10:12:10 AM

the only way the season is a success is if we start counting losses < 10 points as wins. So F U big 12, we're 2-2, not 1-3.

I think from here on out any game where we turn it over less than 15 times a game should also be counted as a victory

AbeFroman · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2011, 11:18:44 AM »

Here's how the game will go, we'll get a big early lead. A&M will tie it by halftime. We'll get behind early in the second half, only to make a run to cut it to 2 pts. Then we score 4 pts in the last 8 minutes and lose by 12

Skipper44 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 21, 2011, 01:07:01 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 10:47:36 AM

Quote from: catzacker on January 21, 2011, 10:41:49 AM
Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 10:23:29 AM
One positive; Turgeon is only 1-6 vs K-State in his coaching career.

wsu was awful that year too. of course that was jim's first year too.

Oops, meant 2-5. Turg was 2-2 vs Wooly.

3-5; Turd beat us in KC in 2007 - Beas missed a runner at the buzzer IIRC

mcmwcat · « **Reply #19 on:** January 21, 2011, 01:12:20 PM »

isn't Turgeon's defensive philosophy NOT to force turnovers but to force bad shots by always keeping the ball in front of the defender? also leads to good defensive FTR?

kenpom #s have them as just about average at forcing TOs.

a little bit of matchup advantage here???

kso_FAN · « **Reply #20 on:** January 21, 2011, 01:15:57 PM »

Quote from: Skipper44 on January 21, 2011, 01:07:01 PM

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 10:47:36 AM
Quote from: catzacker on January 21, 2011, 10:41:49 AM
Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 10:23:29 AM
One positive; Turgeon is only 1-6 vs K-State in his coaching career.

wsu was awful that year too. of course that was jim's first year too.

Oops, meant 2-5. Turg was 2-2 vs Wooly.

3-5; Turd beat us in KC in 2007 - Beas missed a runner at the buzzer IIRC

Forgot about the Big 12 tourament game.

Underdog Wildcat · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2011, 02:10:09 PM »

Quote from: mcmwcat on January 21, 2011, 08:29:01 AM

listening to Gottlieb and Petro a couple weeks ago they said KSU had more talent.

i didn't believe them then.

and now? well

Gauging talent is obviously a very subjective endeavor, but looking at RSCI rankings possibly the most objective tool available to us(the general public) dedicated to measuring the talent upon entering a program, we're actually lagging behind A&M. A&M has 4 RSCI Top 100 players on their roster, KSU 2:

Keith Davis 90th in '10
Middleton 99th in 09
Loubeau 82nd in 08
Harris 91st in 08

KSU
Judge 15th in 09
Kelly 30th in 06

Am I saying that a higher recruiting ranking automatically makes 1 player more "talented" than another? No, check out Rivals rankings of the top players by position this year, there are several 3* recruits included such as Jacob Pullen, Talor Battle, Reggie Jackson, Marshon Brooks, John Shurna, etc.

What I'm saying is that the rankings are generally right, and the more highly ranked players you can land, the better your odds of having a more talented team.

Now does having a more talented team guarantee having a better team, absolutely not. What I think we're looking at here is due to the tremednous success and probable overachievement we had last year and returning almost the entire roster, there is a common overestimation about the talent level of our present team.

Underdog Wildcat · « **Reply #22 on:** January 21, 2011, 02:15:44 PM »

And you know what, I say forget that KenPom guy, I'm thinking we have a 33% of winning tomorrow, that's right,
1 in 3.

1 in 4? Pfft, 1 in 3.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #23 on:** January 21, 2011, 02:18:44 PM »

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:15:44 PM

And you know what, I say forget that KenPom guy, I'm thinking we have a 33% of winning tomorrow, that's right,
1 in 3.

1 in 4? Pfft, 1 in 3.

Underdog Wildcat · « **Reply #24 on:** January 21, 2011, 02:22:02 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 02:18:44 PM

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:15:44 PM
And you know what, I say forget that KenPom guy, I'm thinking we have a 33% of winning tomorrow, that's right,
1 in 3.

1 in 4? Pfft, 1 in 3.

Yep, keep hope alive.