National Statistics.

[Fuktard]

Without our ability to control the ball and limit opponents possessions, our defensive stats would likely be much worse.  If bill can be faulted it's in not sacking chris cosh after last year and hiring a solid d coordinator. 

[fatty fat fat]

No, I am not off my rocker.   This staff needs to elevate their level of recruiting, they've done a nice job of coaching'em up, but it's time to get rid of some the old guard and bring in some younger coaches who are recruiting machines . . . and of course I must always put in the disclaimer that this doesn't mean I (and people like me) expect an avalanche of 4 and 5 stars.    We just need to start landing MORE guys that other BCS schools want, and fewer (I didn't say NONE) guys "we saw on film when scouting somebody else"
 

In addition, Snyder must fully embrace all facility upgrades no matter how inconvenient they are for him and the football team.

recruiting = how many wins we have. we have no clue how well we are recruiting until the results on the field reflect it. If we finish with 9 wins this year, well, they've recruited well.

[OregonSmock]

People have plenty of reason to be Irate . . . I didn't expect K-State to win the game, but what yesterday solidified is that this coaching staff is not capable of recruiting the athletes needed to every take the next step.   Apparently most K-State fans are fine with that, and I would be fine with that as well.  If all everyone wants is 7-5 seasons at best, then lets go hire a young up and comer (in a real coaching search), save about $500K a year, get things like "Gridiron" films and be more fan friendly and more exciting to the national media . . . oh and to go with that $500K comment, quit handing millions over (combined) to build the Snyder family cofers which are already stuffed with millions of K-State's dollars as it is right now. 

Actually, I think the reason KU hired Turner Gill was because they thought he could recruit the athletes needed to take the next step.  The problem is that he can't coach those athletes. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Turner Gill wasn't my definition of a young up and comer . . . he had a sub .500 record at Buffalo, I am talking about a coordinator at a big time program or a Kevin Sumlin type.

[OregonSmock]

Turner Gill wasn't my definition of a young up and comer . . . he had a sub .500 record at Buffalo, I am talking about a coordinator at a big time program or a Kevin Sumlin type.

Well, regardless of whether or not you think of Gill as an "up and comer," the point still stands. 

[FHSU92]

If we still had N-S divs and we played BU, TT, and A&M with the north teams, then we'd be looking at a potential undefeated season (more so than facing OU, OSU & UT left on our sched this yr).  That N-S sched could hide things a little better, which is why the S won majority.

[pike]

If we still had N-S divs and we played BU, TT, and A&M with the north teams, then we'd be looking at a potential undefeated season (more so than facing OU, OSU & UT left on our sched this yr).  That N-S sched could hide things a little better, which is why the S won majority.

Sounds like a North division team from 2007

[Kat Kid]

Turner Gill wasn't my definition of a young up and comer . . . he had a sub .500 record at Buffalo, I am talking about a coordinator at a big time program or a Kevin Sumlin type.

Well, regardless of whether or not you think of Gill as an "up and comer," the point still stands. 

I distinctly remember Jim Colbert trotting out the AD's talking points about Prince being a "recruitin' son of a gun" and him keeping Johnson and then picking up Freeman and us believing it.  Perception is not reality.  It is entirely possible Gill has recruited better than Snyder, but I highly doubt the top 5 players on Kansas are anywhere near the talent of the Browns, Harper, Sams, Malone etc.  I don't follow recruiting so feel free to clown me with Scout rankings, but the talent disparity is there imo.  This isn't just a coaching issue.

[sonofdaxjones]

Turner Gill wasn't my definition of a young up and comer . . . he had a sub .500 record at Buffalo, I am talking about a coordinator at a big time program or a Kevin Sumlin type.

Well, regardless of whether or not you think of Gill as an "up and comer," the point still stands. 

Turner Gill doesn't have the first clue as to what he's doing, guys like Sumlin do . . . huge difference.

[Katpappy]

Turner Gill wasn't my definition of a young up and comer . . . he had a sub .500 record at Buffalo, I am talking about a coordinator at a big time program or a Kevin Sumlin type.

Well, regardless of whether or not you think of Gill as an "up and comer," the point still stands. 

I distinctly remember Jim Colbert trotting out the AD's talking points about Prince being a "recruitin' son of a gun" and him keeping Johnson and then picking up Freeman and us believing it.  Perception is not reality.  It is entirely possible Gill has recruited better than Snyder, but I highly doubt the top 5 players on Kansas are anywhere near the talent of the Browns, Harper, Sams, Malone etc.  I don't follow recruiting so feel free to clown me with Scout rankings, but the talent disparity is there imo.  This isn't just a coaching issue.

You all realize that our current and last QB were recruited by Prince.  GROUND CONTROL, I think we have a problem.  goEMAW to the rescue! 

[theymightbegiants]

Turner Gill wasn't my definition of a young up and comer . . . he had a sub .500 record at Buffalo, I am talking about a coordinator at a big time program or a Kevin Sumlin type.

Well, regardless of whether or not you think of Gill as an "up and comer," the point still stands. 

Turner Gill doesn't have the first clue as to what he's doing, guys like Sumlin do . . . huge difference.

So all the rivals recruiting rankings are the biggest thing that matter comments don't count if we are talking about KU? If those websights were so great at recognizing talent they would be on coaching staffs. What i hate is our speed right now, don't care if a recruit is a 2 or 4 star player as long as he has a strong work ethic and willingness to compete. If he is than it doesn't matter if he is lineman, fullback, heck half backs sometimes can be 2 stars and we are fine. 2 star recievers aren't that bad because they can work on their hands/strength/blocking ect. It is about a willingness to compete that makes the recruits go from 2 star prospects to all big 12 in some cases. However you can't coach speed, you can coach catching the ball better, and teams being able to play safeties 7 yards from the line of scrimmage while we don't have the speed to pose a threat deep is an issue. You can complain about the recruiting rankings that media puts on teams all you want but the only issue i'm seeing on the difference in talent is flat out speed. Find speed teach it to catch

[FP TC etc.]

lol at this meltdown.

[Shacks]

lol at this meltdown.

Yesterday was awful, but people need to stop acting like the sky is falling.  Oklahoma State will probably kick our crap in again next week, but after that we have games against A&M (50/50), @Texas (should win) and Iowa State (should win). I expect to finish the regular season at 10-2.  Those two losses will be blowouts, but OU and OSU are very good teams.  10-2 with a trip to the Cotton Bowl is a pretty good year, especially when compared to what everyone was predicting this season would be like for K-State.

[Kat Kid]

lol at this meltdown.

Yesterday was awful, but people need to stop acting like the sky is falling.  Oklahoma State will probably kick our crap in again next week, but after that we have games against A&M (50/50), @Texas (should win) and Iowa State (should win). I expect to finish the regular season at 10-2.  Those two losses will be blowouts, but OU and OSU are very good teams.  10-2 with a trip to the Cotton Bowl is a pretty good year, especially when compared to what everyone was predicting this season would be like for K-State.

Great post Shacks.  Keep in mind though that this is an emotional game and that sometimes the purple passion for our wild wildcats will boil over.  We aren't always proud of our meltdowns later.  But sometimes they are necessary.

Then again, most of the people melting down were actually only temporarily emotionally invested and have simply returned to their natural state of negativity.

[swish1]

Turner Gill wasn't my definition of a young up and comer . . . he had a sub .500 record at Buffalo, I am talking about a coordinator at a big time program or a Kevin Sumlin type.

Well, regardless of whether or not you think of Gill as an "up and comer," the point still stands. 

Turner Gill doesn't have the first clue as to what he's doing, guys like Sumlin do . . . huge difference.

curious about what you were saying in 1991 or so about snyder...

part of being able to recruit is being able to show recruits that you can win isnt it?  im all for snyder hiring young coaches that can recruit because clearly he isnt a recruiter,  but the team has improved in the win loss column each year since he's been back and maybe this can lead to him hiring better recruiters and bringing in better talent.  any good young coach would be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) not to want to learn/study under snyder.  again, snyder has flaws but if he can continue winning like this with sub par talent then maybe he can bring in coaches that can bring in real talent...

[Lucas Scoopsalot]

This thread cracks me up. I'm still so happy with how the season is turning out. The only changes I would like to see in the offseason is  Cosh getting fired and Sean trys to go coach some other team or something (even though Sean will never leave) . I have thoroughly enjoyed this season with the success we have had.

[felix rex]

lol at this meltdown.

Yesterday was awful, but people need to stop acting like the sky is falling.  Oklahoma State will probably kick our crap in again next week, but after that we have games against A&M (50/50), @Texas (should win) and Iowa State (should win). I expect to finish the regular season at 10-2.  Those two losses will be blowouts, but OU and OSU are very good teams.  10-2 with a trip to the Cotton Bowl is a pretty good year, especially when compared to what everyone was predicting this season would be like for K-State.

Great post Shacks.  Keep in mind though that this is an emotional game and that sometimes the purple passion for our wild wildcats will boil over.  We aren't always proud of our meltdowns later.  But sometimes they are necessary.

Then again, most of the people melting down were actually only temporarily emotionally invested and have simply returned to their natural state of negativity.

Yeah. This one hurt b/c I let it hurt. And it lasted a little longer b/c I went ahead and pre-melted down for OSU. I've fallen back into a nice, cynically stable orbit now.

[sonofdaxjones]

Was noting that on gopo the "You can never say K-State was out coached" crowd is on the war path, and it reminded me that goEMAW has become very gopo like.   

[nicname]

Was noting that on gopo the "You can never say K-State was out coached" crowd is on the war path, and it reminded me that goEMAW has become very gopo like.   

Just checked it out.  It's awful.  Still, they are just the yen to your current yang.  Snyder got worked, and so did Cosh, and we dont have as good of guys as OU either.  Both the gopotards and yourself need to find some center on the issue and quit living in extremes.

[Rams]

Was noting that on gopo the "You can never say K-State was out coached" crowd is on the war path, and it reminded me that goEMAW has become very gopo like.   

Why?  Is it because some jackass starts 6 threads that all say essentially the same thing and then keeps replying to his own posts when nobody gives him any attention?  Yeah, that guy's a jackass. 

I'm not really sure why this loss deserves this type of meltdown and analysis.  We can't throw the rough ridin' football.  When you get behind to a REALLY good football team and your QB can't throw the football, things are going to get ugly in a hurry.  If we get behind to OSU next weekend, you can expect the same thing.  Although OSU's defense isn't even close to as good as OU so we should be able to effectively play "Slothfense" (har har har) and control the clock, which is a big part of our defensive success. 

[mcmwcat]

690 yards?  i thought we were done w/ this.  is Snyder working w/ the defense this week to try and cover for one of his Yes-Men?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

People have plenty of reason to be Irate . . . I didn't expect K-State to win the game, but what yesterday solidified is that this coaching staff is not capable of recruiting the athletes needed to every take the next step.   Apparently most K-State fans are fine with that, and I would be fine with that as well.  If all everyone wants is 7-5 seasons at best, then lets go hire a young up and comer (in a real coaching search), save about $500K a year, get things like "Gridiron" films and be more fan friendly and more exciting to the national media . . . oh and to go with that $500K comment, quit handing millions over (combined) to build the Snyder family cofers which are already stuffed with millions of K-State's dollars as it is right now. 

With all due respect, you're off your rocker.  Prior to the season most K-State fans recognized that 7-5 is okay this year.  If you thought 7-5 would be a disappointment, you were completely irrational. 

Well, here we are, at 7-1.

The second half was disappointing yesterday, but these games happen, especially when programs are trying to build.  Look at the early-mid 90s teams.  Those teams put together good seasons with measurable progress in the win-loss columns as time progressed, but every once in a while, usually against Nebraska, they'd get completely humiliated.  Hell, the 97 team lost to Nebraska by 30 points.

Games like these happen, sometimes.

Oklahoma is going to put 500+ yards on everyone they play this year.  So is OSU and aTm.  The defense was awful on Saturday, it happens.  We're still well on our way to a 3rd place finish in the first or second best conference in college football.

Let these dumbfucks complain about how we can't compete with 2 of the best 4 teams in college football and how we should "by now" and check back after we beat aTm in two weeks.