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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 28, 2021, 12:18:31 PM »

This is what oscar does.  Just when you think it's time to burn it down and run him out of town, to quote Jason Witten, he pulls a rabbit out of his head, and you're left with a conundrum.

That's why I now call him the cockroach that feeds off fans' souls (TCTFOFS) for his amazing survival skills. The improvement in the last month is restricted to defense. I'll concede the staff can coach D, which made he ineptness of the first two months so puzzling. Offensely, we still suck. I had thought staff had addressed the season-long problem of sloppy ballhandling, but yesterday TOs doomed any chance of being competitive.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: MAGA

« on: February 27, 2021, 12:25:45 PM »

When does he speak at CPAC?  I think we can expect he will try to shift the position away from whining and crying to one of strength moving forward.

Rest assured there will be plenty of whining and victimhood. The base just loves the latter.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 24, 2021, 01:10:17 PM »

Go ahead and lock this thread. FAN has spoken.

Well, you said it very well. I've been up and down the Bruce roller coaster plenty myself. Now that I'm sure he's going to be back, I'm just going to enjoy the ride. I think this team could surprise next year.

— ksu_FAN (@ksu_FAN) February 24, 2021

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I became pretty sure oscar is going to be back last week regardless, so now I'm just going to enjoy it and find the positives. I don't do burn it down, so I'm hopping back on the oscar train (until I'm off again).

Yep. Removed my "FireBruceWeber" name from Twitter last week. Miht as well ride the rollercoaster.

I've resigned myself to the return of the mutant cockroach that feeds off the souls of purple fans. As much as I like Pack and Bradford, my expectations for next season are tempered because I think this team likes a The Flush type presence an Oscar squad needs to succeed, as well as its overall lack of shooting skill and Oscar's horrid offensive mind.

What should be the bar for next year? NCAA berth? I think AD also has to keep an eye on recruiting, especially with this year's meh class. Another so-so class and the program will bottom out again after 2024.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: the fight for fifteen

« on: February 24, 2021, 12:50:24 PM »

I think Miguel could be a lynchpin for this team as they develop.  He has shown some toughness that oscar teams need to be successful.  In a couple of the games where we were getting embarrassed, he got more aggressive and was willing to put his shoulder into a defender and drive. 

I have no problem with the talent on the team.  I have a problem with the talent being limited to two out of the four classes for 6 years in a row and not getting corrected.

Yeah this is the problem and reflects Oscar's lack of overall program management skills. The big concern should be that if he was that inept or indifferent about recruiting at a level that could sustain a program when he knew he would deal with the consequences, how few shits is he going to give when he knows it won't be his problem when he is enjoying retirement?

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 24, 2021, 12:26:12 AM »

No JUCO players tho!🤣

Anyone who doesn't think we could use so mature talent infusion from juco or transfer is a dumb ass. Anyone who thinks by his track record that Oscar is capable of doing that, is a thorough-going dumb ass, which of course puts you front and center.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 22, 2021, 12:00:18 PM »

Also no one actually wants Mike to return right?

IDK, a competent coach could make a useful player out of him.

Not with this roster. He's a rotational player being asked to carry the load. We could have went 2-13 with Nijel, Selton, Rudi, DaJuan, and Luke sharing his minutes. We gain absolutely nothing having him back.
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With a competent coach, he could help as a role player on a team that will be offensively challenged. Kasubke shows promise as a shooter but other than Pack the other are simply awful behind the arc and are as sloppy with the ball as McGurl (coaching).

Now if you're telling me we're going to bring in a fifth-year senior at the 2 or 3 with shooting skills, then my all means move on McGurl. But we all know that only happens with Oscar's departure.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 22, 2021, 11:30:26 AM »

My bad, was thinking Tyrone Davis not Williams. And yes Davis, who once commented on this board, would be the best player on this team. Had my head up my coaching search ass.

But the point remains valid: Weber sucks at recruiting in general, and at juco and transfer recruiting in particular.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 22, 2021, 11:26:53 AM »

Also no one actually wants Mike to return right?

IDK, a competent coach could make a useful player out of him.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 21, 2021, 08:06:45 PM »

JUCO players have like a 5% success rate at the next level. It’s weird.

Did you pull that stat out the same ass you head is up in?

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 21, 2021, 01:21:08 PM »

Massey, Reid, Hatcher, Williams among the wooly/Asbury juco recruits who would be the best player on this squad.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 21, 2021, 01:08:13 PM »

I can’t remember a single impactful JUCO basketball player ever. Anywhere. It’s like Mitch Richmond and scene!

Maybe if you got your head out of Oscar's ass your memory would improve.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: the fight for fifteen

« on: February 21, 2021, 12:25:35 PM »

My takeaway is that it's really, really hard to lose 14 in a row. There ar teams like Iowa State, TCU and us in this and others leagues every year. Tip of the cap to the Clones and Huskers, I guess.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 21, 2021, 12:12:17 PM »

If they keep these Freshman intact, they’ll be fine.

I love these guys, but you do know we aren't the only team with freshmen, right? These teams aren't loaded with seniors, we will be picked 9th to start next season. Either the roster needs to be addressed, the staff needs to go, or both. This current roster isn't and staff aren't going to just pass all of these other teams up just because. The 2021 class doesn't appear to be the answer. It's also going to be nearly an impossibly to keep the group together.

According to every mbb broadcast I’ve had to sit through this year, we have the most Freshman starts/minutes in the country with the likes of Kentucky and North Carolina. Biggest difference between us and them is their guys will jump to the league. I’m just remaining optimistic because it’s the only play I have at this point. There’s zero chance they fire oscar this year.

And why do we find o ourselves in that position? Could it be the fault of the guy on the bench who after nine years with the  program has proven he is a sadly inconsistent recruiter? And we see the same thing playing out again as one solid but by no means great recruiting year is followed by another sad effort that doesn't address needs. Yes there's still time to change that, but the top 2021 high school talent is signed and Oscar has proven inept at signing transfers to the point you have to wonder if he is ever aware of the fifth-year senior transfer rule. And as I've pointed out before, he is worse than Asbury or Wooly at finding juco talent. In his years at K-State, he has not brought in one juco player who made a significant contribution to the team.

I'm resigned that it won't happen, but it's time to pull the scab. Why go through this another season or two when we could start fresh with someone with a clue about how to build and sustain a program?

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Kansas State Basketball / Does Oscar have a Wooly in him?

« on: February 15, 2021, 07:52:49 PM »

Remember Wooly got a win against KU (at Allen) going out the door.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 15, 2021, 07:48:21 PM »

If he loses out, it’d be mumped up to not let him see how far out he can set the record.

i think that's right.  they'll probably be a much improved team next year, but you have to let him try.

Can you imagine the cupcake non-conference schedule Oscar will line up next year? If we lose out, the opener could well be the first NCAA D1 mens vs D3 womens game in history.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 10, 2021, 03:33:18 PM »

Where do you get the sense that there are “many” people that think he can do it again?

Go read what MIR just posted.

Trump and Oscar get an endless victim card with the same base.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 07, 2021, 12:55:13 PM »

"historic highs" lol. What was Oscar's highest final national ranking? 

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 06, 2021, 12:06:17 PM »

Oscar's failing is his ineptitude at maintaining a program. He's demonstrated that flaw here and at Illinois, but his current cratering makes his recruiting liabilities more obvious. Everyone saw this coming as far back as 2017, any you can go back on this board and find posters predicting it.
Unfortunately, the pattern continues. One good but hardly great recruiting year is followed by what's shaping up to be a meh class. He has shown no interest or ability to bring in fifth-year seniors or transfer to address immediate needs. His junior college recruits have been well below those of even Asbury or Wooly. He's kept players for multiple seasons who on first-sight clearly weren't D-1 quality and runs off talent who also on first glace aren't the Oscar type.
All this is to say, I don't expect him to be able to make of Pack, Bradford et al amptjer Brown, Wade and Stokes because I sincerely doubt he can keep key players in Manhattan or add piece pieces like Xavier or Cartier.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 04, 2021, 12:14:59 PM »

Just to follow up, Jack Hartman went 18-38 in his last 56 conference games at K-State. When oscar loses the next 7, he will finish 20-36 in his last 56 conference games.

2 K-State greats with poor finishes to their careers here.

  
Dear God, Jack. I had no idea his finish was that horrific.

Not excusing Jack's final seasons because they are bad, but oscar's last 56 include a conference championship season...

Jack was able to muster a W here and there amongst losing streaks of 4 and 5 games, with one 6 game L streak and one 7 game L streak in there.

One thing to also remember about Hartman is that he had a heart attack just before Big 8 play started in the 84-85 season  and the team was coached by Daryl Winston in his absence. I don't remember exactly how many games he missed, but it was at least half the big 8 season, probably not fair to include those games in his last 56. He probably would have gotten run at the end of the 85-86 season by the used car salesman Larry Travis that we had had as AD back then, but Hartman announced his retirement at the beginning of the Big 8 season in 85-86 and he coached out rest of the year. He was able to stay in town and be the King of Manhattan until Snyder emerged as our new hero. Things were bad those last 4 years, but they were nothing like the last 2, not even close. Weber needs to announce his retirement (like Hartman) immediately to allow KSU to move on without firing him and he can stay in town and be a hero.

Fans werewantinghimtomoveonbecause everyone was eager to bring in Lon. Travis  made a show of a coaching search, but it was a foregone conclusion Lon was coming back  toManhattan. He immediately recruited Mitch, Henson, Scott and Bledsoe. I don't think he's had another recruiting year like that in his career and cetainly not at K-State.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: WE'RE GOING TO ABSOLUTELY MANHANDLE TEXAS TECH ON SATURDAY

« on: February 04, 2021, 12:09:00 PM »

Given the growth Oscar has squeezed out of the slackers he has by no fault of his own been dealt, I would guess Cats put up 45-50 points. Good enough to beat a flat tortilla team?

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 02, 2021, 09:32:54 PM »

I didn't think oscar was capable of getting fired this year until the Baylor game. A 30 pt KU loss combined with losing out should do it.  I don't know that we're capable of winning a game with the competition we have left but I also don't know that KU is capable of beating us by 30.

they very much are capable of that

Guessing they probably could have put up another touchdown if they felt like it

That's about KU's marker, really. They are a shade better than mediocre.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 02, 2021, 07:54:13 PM »

Only down by 8 at halfttime. Bigtime moral victory. Extensions all around.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 02, 2021, 05:53:07 PM »

I wonder if the play hard chart uses basketballs

Pretty sure Oscar's play hard chart uses cotton balls.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 02, 2021, 05:11:56 PM »

Probably near impossible to get the data, but it would be interesting to see how coaches performed against team's seeding in the tournament.

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Kansas State Basketball / Re: firebrucewebernow.com

« on: February 02, 2021, 04:53:03 PM »

I like how there is a discussion about whether or not oscar will be fired because he sucks crap and also a discussion about whether or not oscar is an all time great based entirely on the win percentage of his worst couple seasons.

the problem is that if you look at that graphic Chingon posted, the red area is quite a bit larger than the green area over that 9 year span

I don't know what the problem is supposed to be. No one honestly ever talks about conference win percentage as if it's something they care about. They talk about things like tournament appearances and conference championships.

if the graph isn't substantially green then you aren't winning any conference championships. And i don't recall the exact statistic, but basically if you aren't at least .500 in conference (so that would be neither green nor red) then you have little to no hope of making the NCAA tournament. hope that helps.

Maybe Chingon could just do some graphs of conference championships and tournament appearences by coach. If that was indeed the point, I wonder why he didn't.

Percentage of the time the coach took the team to NCAA Tournament

It has fun basketballs for the bars!

Not a straight apples to apples comparison with the expansion of the tourney beyond league champs or even beyong 48 teams. -State didn't get invited in 76 despite winning 20 games and losing the title in the last week to Missouri. I read Garner one year tied KU for the crown, but a KC sports writer pal of Phog Allen basically gave the tourney berth to KU.