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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: #1 recruit comparison

« on: April 01, 2011, 05:10:11 PM »

Okay sorry. We can argue my grammatical errors. Or you can realize that you guys bring in turds of recruiting classes.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: #1 recruit comparison

« on: April 01, 2011, 03:46:56 PM »

Hmm. You're right. I stand corrected. I thought I remembered beasley being lower than #1. My mistake. My point still holds true though. When you look at our team's recruiting classes year in and year out, you shouldn't be the ones criticizing.

That was a popular Phog.net talking point when the dumbasses at scout rated him #4.

Scout is worthless. Rivals and ESPN are the two worth examining. If anyone doubted Beasley was #1 before the season, they shouldn't have after.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: #1 recruit comparison

« on: April 01, 2011, 03:33:44 PM »

Hmm. You're right. I stand corrected. I thought I remembered beasley being lower than #1. My mistake. My point still holds true though. When you look at our team's recruiting classes year in and year out, you shouldn't be the ones criticizing.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: #1 recruit comparison

« on: April 01, 2011, 07:20:43 AM »

You guys criticize our #1 recruit, but you've never had one..?

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: WTF

« on: March 25, 2011, 03:15:32 PM »

It absolutely blows my mind how much stupid emanates from some of you people. The drivel that continues to slowly drool out of your brains is mindbendingly idiotic.

Note: That is not to everyone on here.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: WTF

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:53:01 PM »

In this case, America can suck it.

Why exactly do you guys root against us so strongly? Sure, I don't like some of your fans. But I was still pulling for you guys against Wisconsin last Saturday.

Just curious.

your university has a history of conduct that includes fraud, theft, lying, tax evasion, more lying, support of criminals and a general lack of respect to any rules which govern athletics and society as a whole.

You're silly.

excellent retort.  But you know I'm right.  Your entire athletics tradition is founded on a tradition of theft.

Surely you're familiar with the concept of offering evidence or some sort of coherent argument. Granted, we are not 100% squeaky clean. Name me a major college basketball program who has never been in any trouble for anything. Right, I can't think of any either. Nice try though.

Also--to the racist comment? WHAT? I live in Lawrence. You are severely misguided in saying that.

now i know for sure you are a bandwagon fan.   sorry for going down this road.  only someone who is serious about athletics should proceed.

Oh look! A cop out! Because you can't support your claims. Beautiful. I guess it's 'bandwagoning' when you were born and raised in Lawrence and have lived there all your life.

For serial?!?!

square 1 naismith stole basketball
1988 title: only time a team has been prohibited from defending a title because of their cheating
2008 title: only time a team has won a title on probation.....but why were they on prob oh thats right Z LIST
-player paid, players had grades changed in high school which should have made them ineligible (du-rel arthur), players had tutors take test for them
your football field is named after a felon (kivisto field)
your athletic department defrauded the federal government and hindered the war effort during wwii by claiming Allen Field house was an "armory" thereby defrauding the government into allowing them more building materials which should have gone to making stuff to protect our soldiers, airmen and sailors

Yet we still keep these titles? Never been vacated. Looks like everything you say is 100% correct. Pfft. Not. OregonHawk is right.

you left this out

I'll assume you checked everything out.  Did you notice how I never said that your conduct didn't have results?  I mean its a pretty impressive resume.  Not everyone can win like Duke, UCLA or UNC. Sometimes schools like KU have to do cac like this to even attempt to keep up with the elite schools.

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Aaaaaand there it is. The number 1 thing fans of our rival teams go to. Trying to denounce our status as a blue blood. Try harder.

dude you guys have a great resume, i'm kinda jello-c.  You guys just took a little bit different path to get there thats all. 

I'm done regarding you as a person even worth arguing with. Your main arguments are based on opinion and hearsay and bias. So many decent posters on here..you are certainly not one.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: WTF

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:43:41 PM »

In this case, America can suck it.

Why exactly do you guys root against us so strongly? Sure, I don't like some of your fans. But I was still pulling for you guys against Wisconsin last Saturday.

Just curious.

your university has a history of conduct that includes fraud, theft, lying, tax evasion, more lying, support of criminals and a general lack of respect to any rules which govern athletics and society as a whole.

You're silly.

excellent retort.  But you know I'm right.  Your entire athletics tradition is founded on a tradition of theft.

Surely you're familiar with the concept of offering evidence or some sort of coherent argument. Granted, we are not 100% squeaky clean. Name me a major college basketball program who has never been in any trouble for anything. Right, I can't think of any either. Nice try though.

Also--to the racist comment? WHAT? I live in Lawrence. You are severely misguided in saying that.

now i know for sure you are a bandwagon fan.   sorry for going down this road.  only someone who is serious about athletics should proceed.

Oh look! A cop out! Because you can't support your claims. Beautiful. I guess it's 'bandwagoning' when you were born and raised in Lawrence and have lived there all your life.

For serial?!?!

square 1 naismith stole basketball
1988 title: only time a team has been prohibited from defending a title because of their cheating
2008 title: only time a team has won a title on probation.....but why were they on prob oh thats right Z LIST
-player paid, players had grades changed in high school which should have made them ineligible (du-rel arthur), players had tutors take test for them
your football field is named after a felon (kivisto field)
your athletic department defrauded the federal government and hindered the war effort during wwii by claiming Allen Field house was an "armory" thereby defrauding the government into allowing them more building materials which should have gone to making stuff to protect our soldiers, airmen and sailors

Yet we still keep these titles? Never been vacated. Looks like everything you say is 100% correct. Pfft. Not. OregonHawk is right.

you left this out

I'll assume you checked everything out.  Did you notice how I never said that your conduct didn't have results?  I mean its a pretty impressive resume.  Not everyone can win like Duke, UCLA or UNC. Sometimes schools like KU have to do cac like this to even attempt to keep up with the elite schools.

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Aaaaaand there it is. The number 1 thing fans of our rival teams go to. Trying to denounce our status as a blue blood. Try harder.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: WTF

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:35:40 PM »

In this case, America can suck it.

Why exactly do you guys root against us so strongly? Sure, I don't like some of your fans. But I was still pulling for you guys against Wisconsin last Saturday.

Just curious.

your university has a history of conduct that includes fraud, theft, lying, tax evasion, more lying, support of criminals and a general lack of respect to any rules which govern athletics and society as a whole.

You're silly.

excellent retort.  But you know I'm right.  Your entire athletics tradition is founded on a tradition of theft.

Surely you're familiar with the concept of offering evidence or some sort of coherent argument. Granted, we are not 100% squeaky clean. Name me a major college basketball program who has never been in any trouble for anything. Right, I can't think of any either. Nice try though.

Also--to the racist comment? WHAT? I live in Lawrence. You are severely misguided in saying that.

now i know for sure you are a bandwagon fan.   sorry for going down this road.  only someone who is serious about athletics should proceed.

Oh look! A cop out! Because you can't support your claims. Beautiful. I guess it's 'bandwagoning' when you were born and raised in Lawrence and have lived there all your life.

For serial?!?!

square 1 naismith stole basketball
1988 title: only time a team has been prohibited from defending a title because of their cheating
2008 title: only time a team has won a title on probation.....but why were they on prob oh thats right Z LIST
-player paid, players had grades changed in high school which should have made them ineligible (du-rel arthur), players had tutors take test for them
your football field is named after a felon (kivisto field)
your athletic department defrauded the federal government and hindered the war effort during wwii by claiming Allen Field house was an "armory" thereby defrauding the government into allowing them more building materials which should have gone to making stuff to protect our soldiers, airmen and sailors

Yet we still keep these titles? Never been vacated. Looks like everything you say is 100% correct. Pfft. Not. OregonHawk is right.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: WTF

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:19:21 PM »

In this case, America can suck it.

Why exactly do you guys root against us so strongly? Sure, I don't like some of your fans. But I was still pulling for you guys against Wisconsin last Saturday.

Just curious.

This is the most honest I will ever be. I effing hate KU. Every single fan, every single player. I have KU alum in my family: I hate them.

I didn't care about KU at all until I came to K-State. After my first football game against KU, the seeds of hate were planted by KU fans. Then came basketball, the tree began to grow. Less than a year into my college education, murder came to mind every time I saw the colors blue and red together.

But I did root for KU to beat Nebraska in football once...

I can respect all of that. I don't have a problem with the fact that you hate us. I was just curious WHY. Thank you.

My personal hate (and I mean when I started to consider homicide strongly) probably goes back to our loss to KU in manhattan in...2007 I think, football. After being assured that "there is no rivalry" from every snooty ass KU fan in the state, the fans decided to mock and deride us in our own town for the entire day. I had GIRLS screaming RCJH in my effing face in the parking lot as I was leaving the staduim after. I was yelled at and mocked by groups of KU (what I assume were frat dudes, but you really can't tell with KU fans...they take douche to a whole new level) fans my entire walk home. Seriously like 2 miles and I was yelled at by at least 7 different groups of people....and I was just walking! THEN, when we beat KU they're even worse!


All the while claiming they don't care about us. Sure.

Sounds like a bunch of assholes that were a little too wet about our football victory. That was a great year for us. But come on, the football rivalry isn't really domination. I mean we lead 65-37. But looking at the last 15 years, we can't talk that much crap in the realm of football.

wtf kind of game are you trying to run here?  I don't feel safe around you.

What are you asking me? I'm just being honest.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: WTF

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:16:14 PM »

In this case, America can suck it.

Why exactly do you guys root against us so strongly? Sure, I don't like some of your fans. But I was still pulling for you guys against Wisconsin last Saturday.

Just curious.

your university has a history of conduct that includes fraud, theft, lying, tax evasion, more lying, support of criminals and a general lack of respect to any rules which govern athletics and society as a whole.

You're silly.

excellent retort.  But you know I'm right.  Your entire athletics tradition is founded on a tradition of theft.

Surely you're familiar with the concept of offering evidence or some sort of coherent argument. Granted, we are not 100% squeaky clean. Name me a major college basketball program who has never been in any trouble for anything. Right, I can't think of any either. Nice try though.

Also--to the racist comment? WHAT? I live in Lawrence. You are severely misguided in saying that.

now i know for sure you are a bandwagon fan.   sorry for going down this road.  only someone who is serious about athletics should proceed.

Oh look! A cop out! Because you can't support your claims. Beautiful. I guess it's 'bandwagoning' when you were born and raised in Lawrence and have lived there all your life.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: WTF

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:14:27 PM »

In this case, America can suck it.

Why exactly do you guys root against us so strongly? Sure, I don't like some of your fans. But I was still pulling for you guys against Wisconsin last Saturday.

Just curious.

This is the most honest I will ever be. I effing hate KU. Every single fan, every single player. I have KU alum in my family: I hate them.

I didn't care about KU at all until I came to K-State. After my first football game against KU, the seeds of hate were planted by KU fans. Then came basketball, the tree began to grow. Less than a year into my college education, murder came to mind every time I saw the colors blue and red together.

But I did root for KU to beat Nebraska in football once...

I can respect all of that. I don't have a problem with the fact that you hate us. I was just curious WHY. Thank you.

My personal hate (and I mean when I started to consider homicide strongly) probably goes back to our loss to KU in manhattan in...2007 I think, football. After being assured that "there is no rivalry" from every snooty ass KU fan in the state, the fans decided to mock and deride us in our own town for the entire day. I had GIRLS screaming RCJH in my effing face in the parking lot as I was leaving the staduim after. I was yelled at and mocked by groups of KU (what I assume were frat dudes, but you really can't tell with KU fans...they take douche to a whole new level) fans my entire walk home. Seriously like 2 miles and I was yelled at by at least 7 different groups of people....and I was just walking! THEN, when we beat KU they're even worse!


All the while claiming they don't care about us. Sure.

Sounds like a bunch of assholes that were a little too wet about our football victory. That was a great year for us. But come on, the football rivalry isn't really domination. I mean we lead 65-37. But looking at the last 15 years, we can't talk that much crap in the realm of football.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: WTF

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:10:56 PM »

In this case, America can suck it.

Why exactly do you guys root against us so strongly? Sure, I don't like some of your fans. But I was still pulling for you guys against Wisconsin last Saturday.

Just curious.

your university has a history of conduct that includes fraud, theft, lying, tax evasion, more lying, support of criminals and a general lack of respect to any rules which govern athletics and society as a whole.

You're silly.

excellent retort.  But you know I'm right.  Your entire athletics tradition is founded on a tradition of theft.

Surely you're familiar with the concept of offering evidence or some sort of coherent argument. Granted, we are not 100% squeaky clean. Name me a major college basketball program who has never been in any trouble for anything. Right, I can't think of any either. Nice try though.

Also--to the racist comment? WHAT? I live in Lawrence. You are severely misguided in saying that.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Next season's potential

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:08:12 PM »

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?

Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season? 

I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.

I bet MU will lose a few guys before this is over and I doubt Their two big time recruits that are choosing between you guys and MU made their decision already if you know what I mean.

You take Flip away and get meh recruits in, and things are getting easier not harder for MU opponents. 

I certainly like that it almost locks McLemore in for us. Especially if Selby leaves. I just can't see Mizzery becoming the new Nebraska. Don't get me wrong though--I would LOVE to see that happen.

I don't think they become NU, but I think they will have a few down years regardless of who they hire.  Flip isn't waiting to see who the new head coach is, he is following Uncle Mike.  Flip is that team's future right now. 

We'll see what happens. I really hope they do become even worse. I always root for the success of the conference. Except Missouri. They can go 0-29 for all I care. I certainly hope you guys slaughter them both times.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: WTF

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:05:47 PM »

In this case, America can suck it.

Why exactly do you guys root against us so strongly? Sure, I don't like some of your fans. But I was still pulling for you guys against Wisconsin last Saturday.

Just curious.

This is the most honest I will ever be. I effing hate KU. Every single fan, every single player. I have KU alum in my family: I hate them.

I didn't care about KU at all until I came to K-State. After my first football game against KU, the seeds of hate were planted by KU fans. Then came basketball, the tree began to grow. Less than a year into my college education, murder came to mind every time I saw the colors blue and red together.

But I did root for KU to beat Nebraska in football once...

I can respect all of that. I don't have a problem with the fact that you hate us. I was just curious WHY. Thank you.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: WTF

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:05:02 PM »

In this case, America can suck it.

Why exactly do you guys root against us so strongly? Sure, I don't like some of your fans. But I was still pulling for you guys against Wisconsin last Saturday.

Just curious.

your university has a history of conduct that includes fraud, theft, lying, tax evasion, more lying, support of criminals and a general lack of respect to any rules which govern athletics and society as a whole.

You're silly.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Next season's potential

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:03:59 PM »

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?

Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season? 

I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.

I bet MU will lose a few guys before this is over and I doubt Their two big time recruits that are choosing between you guys and MU made their decision already if you know what I mean.

You take Flip away and get meh recruits in, and things are getting easier not harder for MU opponents. 

I certainly like that it almost locks McLemore in for us. Especially if Selby leaves. I just can't see Mizzery becoming the new Nebraska. Don't get me wrong though--I would LOVE to see that happen.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Next season's potential

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:02:51 PM »

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

This team will miss Jake a LOT, particularly early. But, with more balance, I think we'll be just as tough next year, but in a different way. We'll have 4 or 5 guys averaging right around double figures, I think, and some good firepower off the bench. That will make it difficult for teams to just try to take away one guy. If I were weighting the 3 scenarios I presented, I'd probably put the "realistic" one at about 60%, the downside one at 25%, and the upside one 1t 15%. I'm optimistic (but not overly so) that our young guys will step up and take the mantle from Jake. While we won't see the likes of him here for awhile, as a TEAM I think the guys can take up the numbers slack.

Your 'reality' assessment is very possible and very valid. If I were assigning percentages to those same three scenarios. I'd say realistic-40%, downside-45% upside-15%. We aren't THAT far apart. Next year will be an adventure. That is for sure.

Of course, for 2012-13, I'm going with a prediction of 28-4 (15-3), with the Cats ending the Hawks run, so I'm guessing we're a ways apart on THAT one!

Oh yeah. WAY apart. Haha but that's the nature of a rivalry.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: WTF

« on: March 25, 2011, 01:01:46 PM »

In this case, America can suck it.

Why exactly do you guys root against us so strongly? Sure, I don't like some of your fans. But I was still pulling for you guys against Wisconsin last Saturday.

Just curious.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Next season's potential

« on: March 25, 2011, 12:49:54 PM »

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

This team will miss Jake a LOT, particularly early. But, with more balance, I think we'll be just as tough next year, but in a different way. We'll have 4 or 5 guys averaging right around double figures, I think, and some good firepower off the bench. That will make it difficult for teams to just try to take away one guy. If I were weighting the 3 scenarios I presented, I'd probably put the "realistic" one at about 60%, the downside one at 25%, and the upside one 1t 15%. I'm optimistic (but not overly so) that our young guys will step up and take the mantle from Jake. While we won't see the likes of him here for awhile, as a TEAM I think the guys can take up the numbers slack.

Your 'reality' assessment is very possible and very valid. If I were assigning percentages to those same three scenarios. I'd say realistic-40%, downside-45% upside-15%. We aren't THAT far apart. Next year will be an adventure. That is for sure.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Next season's potential

« on: March 25, 2011, 12:48:12 PM »

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?

Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season? 

I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Next season's potential

« on: March 25, 2011, 12:42:31 PM »

I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.

Here's a quote I saw on FB after the KU game:

"Upset and embarrassed for KU basketball. Not because of the loss - KState (aka Jacob Pullen) played great. And we deserved a kick in the pants. But the twins are literally sucking the class out of the program. Not happy about that."

People blow the few incidents the twins have been a part of WAY out of proportion and that's a fact. They are competitors. They have that inner-city edge. They can also become immature kids at times. But above all these other labels, they are WINNERS.

They have made a couple mistakes this year but they have also shown that they clearly are correcting them. Let's not make this out to be more than it is.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Next season's potential

« on: March 25, 2011, 12:36:30 PM »

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Next season's potential

« on: March 25, 2011, 12:22:25 PM »

I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.

It's not an uncommon sentiment. Several of my own KU friends just tolerate those two.

Just tolerating that is just tolerating KU BB as a whole. 

Let's not get carried away here..

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Next season's potential

« on: March 25, 2011, 11:51:15 AM »

I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Next season's potential

« on: March 25, 2011, 11:30:35 AM »

Those fans sound like idiots. Anyone who would throw a player under the bus like that is no friend of mine.