Next season's potential

[kscottbailey]

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

This team will miss Jake a LOT, particularly early. But, with more balance, I think we'll be just as tough next year, but in a different way. We'll have 4 or 5 guys averaging right around double figures, I think, and some good firepower off the bench. That will make it difficult for teams to just try to take away one guy. If I were weighting the 3 scenarios I presented, I'd probably put the "realistic" one at about 60%, the downside one at 25%, and the upside one 1t 15%. I'm optimistic (but not overly so) that our young guys will step up and take the mantle from Jake. While we won't see the likes of him here for awhile, as a TEAM I think the guys can take up the numbers slack.

[ednksu]

I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.

Here's a quote I saw on FB after the KU game:

"Upset and embarrassed for KU basketball. Not because of the loss - KState (aka Jacob Pullen) played great. And we deserved a kick in the pants. But the twins are literally sucking the class out of the program. Not happy about that."

People blow the few incidents the twins have been a part of WAY out of proportion and that's a fact. They are competitors. They have that inner-city edge. They can also become immature kids at times. But above all these other labels, they are WINNERS.

They have made a couple mistakes this year but they have also shown that they clearly are correcting them. Let's not make this out to be more than it is.

Movies that describe the Morris Twins:  I'll start
A History of Violence

[Jayhawk7]

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?

Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season? 

I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.

[Jayhawk7]

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

This team will miss Jake a LOT, particularly early. But, with more balance, I think we'll be just as tough next year, but in a different way. We'll have 4 or 5 guys averaging right around double figures, I think, and some good firepower off the bench. That will make it difficult for teams to just try to take away one guy. If I were weighting the 3 scenarios I presented, I'd probably put the "realistic" one at about 60%, the downside one at 25%, and the upside one 1t 15%. I'm optimistic (but not overly so) that our young guys will step up and take the mantle from Jake. While we won't see the likes of him here for awhile, as a TEAM I think the guys can take up the numbers slack.

Your 'reality' assessment is very possible and very valid. If I were assigning percentages to those same three scenarios. I'd say realistic-40%, downside-45% upside-15%. We aren't THAT far apart. Next year will be an adventure. That is for sure.

[kscottbailey]

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

This team will miss Jake a LOT, particularly early. But, with more balance, I think we'll be just as tough next year, but in a different way. We'll have 4 or 5 guys averaging right around double figures, I think, and some good firepower off the bench. That will make it difficult for teams to just try to take away one guy. If I were weighting the 3 scenarios I presented, I'd probably put the "realistic" one at about 60%, the downside one at 25%, and the upside one 1t 15%. I'm optimistic (but not overly so) that our young guys will step up and take the mantle from Jake. While we won't see the likes of him here for awhile, as a TEAM I think the guys can take up the numbers slack.

Your 'reality' assessment is very possible and very valid. If I were assigning percentages to those same three scenarios. I'd say realistic-40%, downside-45% upside-15%. We aren't THAT far apart. Next year will be an adventure. That is for sure.

Of course, for 2012-13, I'm going with a prediction of 28-4 (15-3), with the Cats ending the Hawks run, so I'm guessing we're a ways apart on THAT one!

[CNS]

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?

Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season? 

I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.

I bet MU will lose a few guys before this is over and I doubt Their two big time recruits that are choosing between you guys and MU made their decision already if you know what I mean.

You take Flip away and get meh recruits in, and things are getting easier not harder for MU opponents. 

[Jayhawk7]

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

This team will miss Jake a LOT, particularly early. But, with more balance, I think we'll be just as tough next year, but in a different way. We'll have 4 or 5 guys averaging right around double figures, I think, and some good firepower off the bench. That will make it difficult for teams to just try to take away one guy. If I were weighting the 3 scenarios I presented, I'd probably put the "realistic" one at about 60%, the downside one at 25%, and the upside one 1t 15%. I'm optimistic (but not overly so) that our young guys will step up and take the mantle from Jake. While we won't see the likes of him here for awhile, as a TEAM I think the guys can take up the numbers slack.

Your 'reality' assessment is very possible and very valid. If I were assigning percentages to those same three scenarios. I'd say realistic-40%, downside-45% upside-15%. We aren't THAT far apart. Next year will be an adventure. That is for sure.

Of course, for 2012-13, I'm going with a prediction of 28-4 (15-3), with the Cats ending the Hawks run, so I'm guessing we're a ways apart on THAT one!

Oh yeah. WAY apart. Haha but that's the nature of a rivalry.

[Jayhawk7]

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?

Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season? 

I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.

I bet MU will lose a few guys before this is over and I doubt Their two big time recruits that are choosing between you guys and MU made their decision already if you know what I mean.

You take Flip away and get meh recruits in, and things are getting easier not harder for MU opponents. 

I certainly like that it almost locks McLemore in for us. Especially if Selby leaves. I just can't see Mizzery becoming the new Nebraska. Don't get me wrong though--I would LOVE to see that happen.

[CNS]

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?

Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season? 

I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.

I bet MU will lose a few guys before this is over and I doubt Their two big time recruits that are choosing between you guys and MU made their decision already if you know what I mean.

You take Flip away and get meh recruits in, and things are getting easier not harder for MU opponents. 

I certainly like that it almost locks McLemore in for us. Especially if Selby leaves. I just can't see Mizzery becoming the new Nebraska. Don't get me wrong though--I would LOVE to see that happen.

I don't think they become NU, but I think they will have a few down years regardless of who they hire.  Flip isn't waiting to see who the new head coach is, he is following Uncle Mike.  Flip is that team's future right now. 

[Jayhawk7]

As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.

FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.

Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?

Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season? 

I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.

I bet MU will lose a few guys before this is over and I doubt Their two big time recruits that are choosing between you guys and MU made their decision already if you know what I mean.

You take Flip away and get meh recruits in, and things are getting easier not harder for MU opponents. 

I certainly like that it almost locks McLemore in for us. Especially if Selby leaves. I just can't see Mizzery becoming the new Nebraska. Don't get me wrong though--I would LOVE to see that happen.

I don't think they become NU, but I think they will have a few down years regardless of who they hire.  Flip isn't waiting to see who the new head coach is, he is following Uncle Mike.  Flip is that team's future right now. 

We'll see what happens. I really hope they do become even worse. I always root for the success of the conference. Except Missouri. They can go 0-29 for all I care. I certainly hope you guys slaughter them both times.

[Emo EMAW]

I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.

Here's a quote I saw on FB after the KU game:

"Upset and embarrassed for KU basketball. Not because of the loss - KState (aka Jacob Pullen) played great. And we deserved a kick in the pants. But the twins are literally sucking the class out of the program. Not happy about that."

People blow the few incidents the twins have been a part of WAY out of proportion and that's a fact. They are competitors. They have that inner-city edge. They can also become immature kids at times. But above all these other labels, they are WINNERS.

They have made a couple mistakes this year but they have also shown that they clearly are correcting them. Let's not make this out to be more than it is.

I can get you some contact info if you'd like to be in contact directly?

Be sure to remind her that they can't "literally suck" anything without applying some sort of negative differential pressure.

[Trim]

They have that inner-city edge.

Some street in their voices.

[bigwillie20]

They have that inner-city edge.

Some street in their voices.

 

[88wildcat]

Not guessing.  Just repeating what I heard yesterday.  That post on scout about McGruder is absolutely idiotic.  Just posting what I heard.  Like I said, until it happens its just another guy saying something from a "source".

I'm going to guess you are correct... i mean really, has anyone ever heard of a guy starting every game and averaging 30 + minutes a game transfering to another school  

I don't believe the McGruder rumor for a second but to answer the question-Curtis Redding.