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Title: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 31, 2016, 03:18:43 PM
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Alright here we go.  This is what I like to see.  We are in 1st!  Bring on the cats.  Wait a minute?  We have a tie. One week into conference play we have had an interesting slate of games.  Next week tends to be even more interesting
This is where Greg will give hot takes and predictions of the week. Every Sunday so stay tuned for Big 12 standings with Greg


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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 31, 2016, 04:35:20 PM
Lol @ schools from Oklahoma and Texas (and Iowa obv)!  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Trim on December 31, 2016, 04:54:18 PM
Greg, can I offer a suggestion?
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 01, 2017, 04:49:48 AM
Greg, can I offer a suggestion?
Yes you may trim

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: mocat on January 01, 2017, 10:06:37 AM
Greg what kind of phone do you have
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Trim on January 01, 2017, 12:55:58 PM
Greg, can I offer a suggestion?
Yes you may trim

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Add a column for kenpom rank, as well as something that would indicate likelihood of tournament selection (by % if possible).
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 01, 2017, 01:07:51 PM
Greg, can I offer a suggestion?
Yes you may trim

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Add a column for kenpom rank, as well as something that would indicate likelihood of tournament selection (by % if possible).
Sounds good trim will do today while I do my analysis

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: scottwildcat on January 01, 2017, 09:36:35 PM
Greg what kind of phone do you have
Leave Greg alone.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 02, 2017, 04:54:13 AM
Greg what kind of phone do you have
Samsung Galaxy s7 and wrong thread mocat

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 02, 2017, 05:38:24 AM
Kenpom Rankings for the Big 12 right now.
West Virginia 4
KU 5
Baylor 6
Iowa State 27
Texas Tech 28
K-State 33
TCU 34
OSU 35
OU 69
TEXAS 78

This week's game slate includes
KSU @ KU 1/3/2017
8pm ESPN2
Well let's face it this game is gonna be an L but a great learning opportunity for our guy Sneed, this will be a tough game per usual however KU has had some trouble this year early in games so the first half should be fun,  2nd half not so much.

TCU @ OU 1/3/2017
8pm ESPNU
TCU has been a suprise this year and they are really really good at passing the ball and creating plays to their guy,  Vladimir Brodziansky.  OU has had trouble lately and will look to simply become a better team.  Their guy Jordan Woodard has to do it all in the one man sooner circus so I see them having trouble right out the gate because TCU is miles ahead of OU this year.

West Virginia @ Texas Tech
1/3/2017
8:15pm ESPN
West Virginia is firing on all cylinders as seen in their impressive road victory at OSU. I don't really consider this to be a tough game for West Virginia as they are tough to keep up with on both sides of the ball considering they are averaging 91 points and 13 steals a game.  Texas Tech didn't really have a non con that prepared them for Big 12 play just as oscar and KSU.  As for Texas Tech they didn't really have trouble at ISU until the end which is intriguing and they lost to Auburn (Kenpom 97) by 2 in the Cancun Challenge. Texas Tech is still a mystery because if they get there crap together they could be very good this year but things just aren't clicking for the Veteran lineup of all upperclassmen.

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Canary on January 02, 2017, 08:24:05 AM
Thanks, Greg!  Nice read. Keep them coming this season.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Katdaddy on January 02, 2017, 08:50:04 AM
Mighty fine work, Greg! (http://goEMAW.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/thumbs_up_emoticon.gif)
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Kat Kid on January 02, 2017, 09:58:29 AM
Greg.  I was wondering, are you going to watch all the basketball games this year?
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 02, 2017, 04:28:16 PM
Greg, please delete that kenpom crap. Thanks for this weeks preview, I'm excited!
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: scottwildcat on January 02, 2017, 04:34:47 PM
Greg do whatever you want and have fun with this thread.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 02, 2017, 04:37:43 PM
Greg.  I was wondering, are you going to watch all the basketball games this year?

I am, KK (unless I have a conflict)
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Tobias on January 02, 2017, 04:47:51 PM
Greg do whatever you want and have fun with this thread.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: TheProdigiousTalent on January 03, 2017, 12:06:31 AM
Greg.  I was wondering, are you going to watch all the basketball games this year?

I am, KK (unless I have a conflict)
FSD = Greg.  Boom.  OUTED.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: bones129 on January 03, 2017, 12:32:17 AM
 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: IPA4Me on January 03, 2017, 05:51:07 AM
Another sock. Just what this board needs.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 03, 2017, 11:22:41 AM
so is tcu gonna be like that NU team that had that Russian guy that killed us?
(I haven't bothered to look anything up and assume fan will swoop in and tell me all of this including what that guys name was and include that NU had a much better PG that year compared to what TCU does. TIA FAN)
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Trim on January 03, 2017, 11:25:57 AM
Who's gonna guard Maric?
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 03, 2017, 11:28:05 AM
Who's gonna guard Maric?
YES! trim with the save
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 03, 2017, 02:20:02 PM
Who's gonna guard Maric?
YES! trim with the save

By the name Maric do you mean Malique? Malique Trent is a guard for TCU and is a junior.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 03, 2017, 02:59:37 PM
no greg, absolutely not
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 05, 2017, 12:24:48 PM
Here is this week's standings
With the early week games finished we have the weekend slate coming up. Should be an easy one for the cats. The rest of the Big 12 however is another story (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170105/b314fd0f052789b5c1806541cf8fd4cb.jpg)

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 05, 2017, 01:42:43 PM
I've got us at 1-0-1 Greg..
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 05, 2017, 04:45:10 PM
I've got us at 1-0-1 Greg..
I have us at 2-0 yoga, oh well.

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: renocat on January 05, 2017, 04:58:25 PM
OSU at 0-2'is surprising.  I would like to be at 3-1 through the first 4, and at least 4-2 at end of first quarter of the conference schedule.  Baylor.doesn't seem so scary now.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: meow meow on January 05, 2017, 06:07:33 PM
OSU at 0-2'is surprising.  I would like to be at 3-1 through the first 4, and at least 4-2 at end of first quarter of the conference schedule.  Baylor.doesn't seem so scary now.

math is hard
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: MakeItRain on January 05, 2017, 06:50:43 PM
OSU at 0-2'is surprising.  I would like to be at 3-1 through the first 4, and at least 4-2 at end of first quarter of the conference schedule.  Baylor.doesn't seem so scary now.

math is hard

I guess you missed the memo about a 24 game conference schedule, your fault bub.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 05, 2017, 08:22:03 PM
OSU at 0-2'is surprising.  I would like to be at 3-1 through the first 4, and at least 4-2 at end of first quarter of the conference schedule.  Baylor.doesn't seem so scary now.

math is hard

I guess you missed the memo about a 24 game conference schedule, your fault bub.

Yeah, I think that was in the same memo about the FB champ game, right yoga?
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Tobias on January 05, 2017, 08:38:42 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: IPA4Me on January 05, 2017, 09:14:27 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: pissclams on January 05, 2017, 10:16:19 PM
i wonder how much better our conference would be after a few years of a 24 conference game schedule

i don't know as though there's a direct correlation b/w conference games and injuries
i do know that the better your competition, the better you become.  i think we should do it, the b12 would be breeding some players

Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 06, 2017, 06:53:02 AM
i wonder how much better our conference would be after a few years of a 24 conference game schedule

i don't know as though there's a direct correlation b/w conference games and injuries
i do know that the better your competition, the better you become.  i think we should do it, the b12 would be breeding some players

I say we play a pre conference season tournament in KC for a week over Christmas, kind of like the old Big 8.

However, it won't be like the end of season conference tournament which we have to keep. The first 2 days the teams are split into 2 five team pods and they all play each other. That's 4 games. Then you have 2 four team brackets for cross pool play according to how you finish in your pool over the last 2 days. The 2 worst teams left out of the brackets play a 2 game series. All these games count for your record before conference play starts. You award 3 trophies, 1 for the top bracket, 1 for the next bracket, and 1 for the worst loser.

Bam, 6 more games to get 24 for everyone.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: ChiCat on January 06, 2017, 08:16:27 AM
How does the B12 stack up to other leagues?  No idea because they didn't play but we know how they stack up against each other.  Good luck tournament committee.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 06, 2017, 09:37:27 AM
OSU at 0-2'is surprising.  I would like to be at 3-1 through the first 4, and at least 4-2 at end of first quarter of the conference schedule.  Baylor.doesn't seem so scary now.

math is hard

I guess you missed the memo about a 24 game conference schedule, your fault bub.

Yeah, I think that was in the same memo about the FB champ game, right yoga?
well that was just mean
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 06, 2017, 09:50:36 AM
How does the B12 stack up to other leagues?  No idea because they didn't play but we know how they stack up against each other.  Good luck tournament committee.
Well chicat this is how I see it..
Out of the power 5
I have it ranked this way based off of how many teams total will have at large bids and the strength of the projected autobid from each championship http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/conference-bids


ACC- 1
BIG 10- 2
BIG 12- 3
BIG EAST- 4
PAC 12- 5
SEC - 6

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: IPA4Me on January 06, 2017, 09:56:02 AM
OSU at 0-2'is surprising.  I would like to be at 3-1 through the first 4, and at least 4-2 at end of first quarter of the conference schedule.  Baylor.doesn't seem so scary now.

math is hard

I guess you missed the memo about a 24 game conference schedule, your fault bub.

Yeah, I think that was in the same memo about the FB champ game, right yoga?
well that was just mean
Pretty darn funny though.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: ArchE_Cat on January 06, 2017, 10:28:25 AM
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woof
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 06, 2017, 10:29:43 AM
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woof
Woof what

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 06, 2017, 10:31:51 AM
OSU at 0-2'is surprising.  I would like to be at 3-1 through the first 4, and at least 4-2 at end of first quarter of the conference schedule.  Baylor.doesn't seem so scary now.

math is hard

I guess you missed the memo about a 24 game conference schedule, your fault bub.

Yeah, I think that was in the same memo about the FB champ game, right yoga?
well that was just mean

:cheers:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: pissclams on January 06, 2017, 12:33:33 PM
How does the B12 stack up to other leagues?  No idea because they didn't play but we know how they stack up against each other.  Good luck tournament committee.

how many games do most teams play each season that give them any real answer to that question?
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2017, 12:42:35 PM
How does the B12 stack up to other leagues?  No idea because they didn't play but we know how they stack up against each other.  Good luck tournament committee.
Well chicat this is how I see it..
Out of the power 5
I have it ranked this way based off of how many teams total will have at large bids and the strength of the projected autobid from each championship http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/conference-bids


ACC- 1
BIG 10- 2
BIG 12- 3
BIG EAST- 4
PAC 12- 5
SEC - 6

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 06, 2017, 12:44:33 PM
How does the B12 stack up to other leagues?  No idea because they didn't play but we know how they stack up against each other.  Good luck tournament committee.
Well chicat this is how I see it..
Out of the power 5
I have it ranked this way based off of how many teams total will have at large bids and the strength of the projected autobid from each championship http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/conference-bids


ACC- 1
BIG 10- 2
BIG 12- 3
BIG EAST- 4
PAC 12- 5
SEC - 6

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Please tell me you see the flaw in this
Read the page that is the link

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2017, 01:16:48 PM
How does the B12 stack up to other leagues?  No idea because they didn't play but we know how they stack up against each other.  Good luck tournament committee.
Well chicat this is how I see it..
Out of the power 5
I have it ranked this way based off of how many teams total will have at large bids and the strength of the projected autobid from each championship http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/conference-bids


ACC- 1
BIG 10- 2
BIG 12- 3
BIG EAST- 4
PAC 12- 5
SEC - 6

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Please tell me you see the flaw in this
Read the page that is the link

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So you don't see your logic flaw. I won't bother explaining, it won't do any good.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 06, 2017, 01:20:45 PM
Kenpom says the Big 12 is #1.

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2017, 01:22:38 PM
Kenpom says the Big 12 is #1.

Forget that, the ACC is better because they have 15 schools.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: ChiCat on January 06, 2017, 01:46:57 PM
How does the B12 stack up to other leagues?  No idea because they didn't play but we know how they stack up against each other.  Good luck tournament committee.
Well chicat this is how I see it..
Out of the power 5
I have it ranked this way based off of how many teams total will have at large bids and the strength of the projected autobid from each championship http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/conference-bids


ACC- 1
BIG 10- 2
BIG 12- 3
BIG EAST- 4
PAC 12- 5
SEC - 6

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I was referring to if we played a 24 game schedule so we had no OOC.  Thanks though!
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 07, 2017, 09:48:44 AM
Kenpom says the Big 12 is #1.

Forget that, the ACC is better because they have 15 schools.
Noice

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 08, 2017, 10:09:40 AM
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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Kat Kid on January 08, 2017, 10:33:27 AM
The ft rate/3 pt rate/3 pt % are the #'s to watch for me.  They seem weird right now.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Tobias on January 08, 2017, 10:37:08 AM
that TO % :love:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 08, 2017, 10:37:31 AM
The ft rate/3 pt rate/3 pt % are the #'s to watch for me.  They seem weird right now.

They are, but sample size is tiny.

I will say 3pt rate is encouraging, because we do a good job of not allowing a lot and opponents' percentage is likely to come down to the league average. However, FT rate and % won't stay where they are at either.

I like to see the high 2pt% and differential as well, plus really good TO numbers on both sides.
Title: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Tobias on January 08, 2017, 10:38:53 AM
outside of deathbite going brain dead from time to time, we seem very tidy with the ball
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kslim on January 08, 2017, 02:27:22 PM
The ft rate/3 pt rate/3 pt % are the #'s to watch for me.  They seem weird right now.
that with our o reb #s are very wtf right now. After frank we still had that get the board mentality so it's weird to me
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 08, 2017, 03:29:55 PM
It's reasonable that when shooting goes up, oboarding will go down. I don't think oscar has completely gone away from oboarding, this team just doesn't need to as much.

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: sys on January 08, 2017, 03:57:56 PM
It's reasonable that when shooting goes up, oboarding will go down. I don't think oscar has completely gone away from oboarding, this team just doesn't need to as much.

why?  i guess you're suggesting that having people in position to oboard has a fixed cost while the reward declines in value as the number of potential oboards declines?  i dunno if that makes sense or not, it would depend on how finely balanced the costs and rewards are.  just looking at weber's kstate teams, there doesn't appear to be any inverse correlation between efg and oboard rate prior to this year.  unless there is a much clearer relationship in the data from his teams at previous schools, i would not assume that either the 2016-17 team's efg or oboard rate is the result of a strategical decision.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 08, 2017, 05:30:22 PM
I suppose that's my logic a little bit. The correlation over the course of oscar's career is similar to what we're seeing at K-State, but you are correct that better shooting doesn't mean lower oboarding for a typical oscar team.

If anything he's learned from having really bad oboarding teams his last few years at Illinois and has put more emphasis on it here.

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Powercat Posse on January 08, 2017, 07:07:53 PM
The 3 Big 12 games + 5 games away from Home vs BC/Terps/SLU/Csu/Wsu. (So not counting our home games vs small conf teams)

1) we did a great job in TO%.  Our is only 16.6 and we forced 24.5
2) we have done a good job all year keeping the other teams FTR low. Same with these 8 games only allowing 29.7
3) Each of these Big 12 teams got over 50 on us on 2pt% (56,55,51). That's an area we regressed some. The 5 non B12 teams were only 68-168 vs Us, 40.5%

Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 08, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
The 3 Big 12 games + 5 games away from Home vs BC/Terps/SLU/Csu/Wsu. (So not counting our home games vs small conf teams)

1) we did a great job in TO%.  Our is only 16.6 and we forced 24.5
2) we have done a good job all year keeping the other teams FTR low. Same with these 8 games only allowing 29.7
3) Each of these Big 12 teams got over 50 on us on 2pt% (56,55,51). That's an area we regressed some. The 5 non B12 teams were only 68-168 vs Us, 40.5%

Not fouling is weird. We have foul a ton for the last decade. I am not sure the 2pt% defense is that bad, I think we have had a little bad fortune with teams rising up and hitting shots. I don't think we have given up a ton of uncontested 2s at home.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 08, 2017, 11:28:12 PM
This week was a very positive one for the cats as we had a tough road loss and a great win at home but next is on the road to Tech.  Here is this week's standings. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170109/cc15a39ef9bf1ed062c3c3baa9e97e89.jpg)

TUESDAY 1/10/2017
Baylor @ West Virginia
6pm ESPN2
This is my most anticipated game of the week, seeing as how Huggins has a great team this year and we can usually count on them upsetting one team a year.  I think WV will give Baylor a run for their money and this game will be absolutely nuts.  Players to watch for on WV are the dynamic duo of forwards Eva Ahmad who leads the team with 12.9 ppg and shoots a studly 55FG%. The other big man named Nathan Adrian is an absolute rebounding monster as he averages 6.5 Rebounds per game.  Baylor on the other hand has a studly monster of a man in Johnathan Motley who leads the team with 15.8PPG AND 9.4 Rebounds per game. There is so much to watch but these are the guys I think who will be big difference makers for this game.

KU @ Oklahoma
8pm ESPN2
Oklahoma is awful. And it doesn't help that one of their two seniors is injured. One thing I liked about OU when I saw them play the cats was their relentless need to jump after every shot and try to make a rebound. I can honestly say that was the only thing I thought was good about them. I think KU will steam roll them, it will be at least a 20pt game and the most empty OU's arena has been in a while.

KSTATE @Texas Tech
8:15pm ESPNNEWS
This game will be a good match up and a true road test for brucketball and his family of wildcats.  Oscar loves to get his team mad before a game and let them unleash the #DOOM.  The obvious problems for the Wildcats seemed to have been fixed as Ft% has risen and Kstate has matured in its shooting ability and pure grit as they take chances and risks that pay off in the long run.  Tech has had a familiar slate as their non con wasn't the best and have had a tough game against WV.  I see this game as one Tech can't lose to keep their playoff hopes alive just as much as the Cats.  This game will come down to who makes the least amount of mistakes and if I'm reading _Fan's stats correctly then that team will be Tech.  A strength of Tech's is shooting from beyond the arc so if the cats can shut them down outside and dominate the boards then this game could be a lot easier than I think it will be. 

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 09, 2017, 11:00:31 AM
This week was a very positive one for the cats as we had a tough road loss and a great win at home but next is on the road to Tech.  Here is this week's standings. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170109/cc15a39ef9bf1ed062c3c3baa9e97e89.jpg)

TUESDAY 1/10/2017
Baylor @ West Virginia
6pm ESPN2
This is my most anticipated game of the week, seeing as how Huggins has a great team this year and we can usually count on them upsetting one team a year.  I think WV will give Baylor a run for their money and this game will be absolutely nuts.  Players to watch for on WV are the dynamic duo of forwards Eva Ahmad who leads the team with 12.9 ppg and shoots a studly 55FG%. The other big man named Nathan Adrian is an absolute rebounding monster as he averages 6.5 Rebounds per game.  Baylor on the other hand has a studly monster of a man in Johnathan Motley who leads the team with 15.8PPG AND 9.4 Rebounds per game. There is so much to watch but these are the guys I think who will be big difference makers for this game.

KU @ Oklahoma
8pm ESPN2
Oklahoma is awful. And it doesn't help that one of their two seniors is injured. One thing I liked about OU when I saw them play the cats was their relentless need to jump after every shot and try to make a rebound. I can honestly say that was the only thing I thought was good about them. I think KU will steam roll them, it will be at least a 20pt game and the most empty OU's arena has been in a while.

KSTATE @Texas Tech
8:15pm ESPNNEWS
This game will be a good match up and a true road test for brucketball and his family of wildcats.  Oscar loves to get his team mad before a game and let them unleash the #DOOM.  The obvious problems for the Wildcats seemed to have been fixed as Ft% has risen and Kstate has matured in its shooting ability and pure grit as they take chances and risks that pay off in the long run.  Tech has had a familiar slate as their non con wasn't the best and have had a tough game against WV.  I see this game as one Tech can't lose to keep their playoff hopes alive just as much as the Cats.  This game will come down to who makes the least amount of mistakes and if I'm reading _Fan's stats correctly then that team will be Tech.  A strength of Tech's is shooting from beyond the arc so if the cats can shut them down outside and dominate the boards then this game could be a lot easier than I think it will be. 

Goodnight everyone and Go Cats



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I dunno about you Greg but it wouldn't bother me one bit if the fighting wild purplecats crushed tech's dreams of making the playoffs.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 09, 2017, 11:19:27 AM
This week was a very positive one for the cats as we had a tough road loss and a great win at home but next is on the road to Tech.  Here is this week's standings. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170109/cc15a39ef9bf1ed062c3c3baa9e97e89.jpg)

TUESDAY 1/10/2017
Baylor @ West Virginia
6pm ESPN2
This is my most anticipated game of the week, seeing as how Huggins has a great team this year and we can usually count on them upsetting one team a year.  I think WV will give Baylor a run for their money and this game will be absolutely nuts.  Players to watch for on WV are the dynamic duo of forwards Eva Ahmad who leads the team with 12.9 ppg and shoots a studly 55FG%. The other big man named Nathan Adrian is an absolute rebounding monster as he averages 6.5 Rebounds per game.  Baylor on the other hand has a studly monster of a man in Johnathan Motley who leads the team with 15.8PPG AND 9.4 Rebounds per game. There is so much to watch but these are the guys I think who will be big difference makers for this game.

KU @ Oklahoma
8pm ESPN2
Oklahoma is awful. And it doesn't help that one of their two seniors is injured. One thing I liked about OU when I saw them play the cats was their relentless need to jump after every shot and try to make a rebound. I can honestly say that was the only thing I thought was good about them. I think KU will steam roll them, it will be at least a 20pt game and the most empty OU's arena has been in a while.

KSTATE @Texas Tech
8:15pm ESPNNEWS
This game will be a good match up and a true road test for brucketball and his family of wildcats.  Oscar loves to get his team mad before a game and let them unleash the #DOOM.  The obvious problems for the Wildcats seemed to have been fixed as Ft% has risen and Kstate has matured in its shooting ability and pure grit as they take chances and risks that pay off in the long run.  Tech has had a familiar slate as their non con wasn't the best and have had a tough game against WV.  I see this game as one Tech can't lose to keep their playoff hopes alive just as much as the Cats.  This game will come down to who makes the least amount of mistakes and if I'm reading _Fan's stats correctly then that team will be Tech.  A strength of Tech's is shooting from beyond the arc so if the cats can shut them down outside and dominate the boards then this game could be a lot easier than I think it will be. 

Goodnight everyone and Go Cats



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I dunno about you Greg but it wouldn't bother me one bit if the fighting wild purplecats crushed tech's dreams of making the playoffs.
It doesn't at all.  Tech has the same resumé and I think we will win

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 09, 2017, 02:11:15 PM
FWIW, possible of a Baylor slide is real. Top 3 might not be so locked up in conference. There adjusted performance per game script (lead average per minute) isn't great and sliding hard.

Add that to potential rough week (@WVU and @KSU), a door could be opening.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: sys on January 09, 2017, 02:15:11 PM
i have more doubts about wvu than bu.  and ku doesn't exactly jump off the page either, especially with their reduced roster of bigs.


but i really don't doubt that any of them are the top 3 in the conference.  the kenpom gap between 3 and 4 is pretty substantial.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: MakeItRain on January 09, 2017, 02:34:05 PM
FWIW, possible of a Baylor slide is real. Top 3 might not be so locked up in conference. There adjusted performance per game script (lead average per minute) isn't great and sliding hard.

Add that to potential rough week (@WVU and @KSU), a door could be opening.

They unquestionably have the best resume in the country.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 09, 2017, 04:06:05 PM
FWIW, possible of a Baylor slide is real. Top 3 might not be so locked up in conference. There adjusted performance per game script (lead average per minute) isn't great and sliding hard.

Add that to potential rough week (@WVU and @KSU), a door could be opening.

They unquestionably have the best resume in the country.

For sure, but hey have spent a ton of time not in the lead for an undefeated team. Their last two offensive performance at home have been disappointing. It is nothing new for Baylor to take a step back in the national ranks after entering conference play.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 10, 2017, 10:28:10 PM
What a crazy night.  Once again congrats Cdubz.  Oscar crapped the bed and KU pulled it out in Norman. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170111/8d78ee4c6d6287a4bb6ecc23c78205e8.jpg)

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: SdK on January 11, 2017, 05:21:47 AM
How does the B12 stack up to other leagues?  No idea because they didn't play but we know how they stack up against each other.  Good luck tournament committee.
Well chicat this is how I see it..
Out of the power 5
I have it ranked this way based off of how many teams total will have at large bids and the strength of the projected autobid from each championship http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/conference-bids


ACC- 1
BIG 10- 2
BIG 12- 3
BIG EAST- 4
PAC 12- 5
SEC - 6

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Please tell me you see the flaw in this
Read the page that is the link

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Come on greg. 5 and 6 are not the same
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 12, 2017, 07:12:39 AM
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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 12, 2017, 07:39:55 AM
those stats are Big XII games only right _FAN
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 12, 2017, 10:07:48 AM
those stats are Big XII games only right _FAN

Correct.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 12, 2017, 10:08:53 AM
man people love bombing 3s on us huh
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: hatingfrancisco on January 12, 2017, 10:13:06 AM
man people love bombing 3s on us huh

Well yeah, I mean we hedge and over pursue on help D so aggressively that someone is damn near open beyond the arc on every possession.

It becomes frustrating to watch all the open shots sometimes.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: pissclams on January 12, 2017, 10:16:59 AM
man people love bombing 3s on us huh

it's weird too because our size should be able to cover the perimeter but nope
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 12, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
man people love bombing 3s on us huh

The lottery is bound to come up snake eyes at some point.

And man we are taking a bunch of them, which is a bit of surprise.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 15, 2017, 10:04:10 AM
(http://goEMAW.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Big-12-Four-Factors-1-15-17.png)

Jamie Dixon is showing what good coaching can do. He has taken a team that won 2 Big 12 games last year (8 total in Trent Johnson's 4 years) and is already having great success. His only 3 losses are to Top 25 kenpom teams. He shouldn't win Big 12 COY at this point (it should be all Self's if he wins another title or Drew/Huggs if they supplant him), but he should be 2nd or 3rd.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: sys on January 15, 2017, 12:41:20 PM
there's something wrong with the 3pta/fga column.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 15, 2017, 12:49:43 PM
there's something wrong with the 3pta/fga column.

Yeah, formula was messed up. I fixed it.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: michigancat on January 15, 2017, 01:13:41 PM
man people love bombing 3s on us huh

The lottery is bound to come up snake eyes at some point.

And man we are taking a bunch of them, which is a bit of surprise.
Also surprising that we have the highest FTR while also shooting the highest rate of threes.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 19, 2017, 09:47:05 AM
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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 19, 2017, 09:49:29 AM
our 3 pt defense %  :lol:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 19, 2017, 10:03:42 AM
our 3 pt defense %  :lol:

It is pretty crazy.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: hatingfrancisco on January 19, 2017, 10:19:00 AM
These are great _Fan.  I was shocked by the FT%.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: MakeItRain on January 19, 2017, 10:32:54 PM
our 3 pt defense %  :lol:
That has to be the worst in the country, certainly in the top 8 conferences. There's no real way to know this but I'd be willing to bet that Manhattan High School would yield a similar three point defensive percentage playing the same schedule.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 20, 2017, 01:40:56 AM
our 3 pt defense %  :lol:
That has to be the worst in the country, certainly in the top 8 conferences. There's no real way to know this but I'd be willing to bet that Manhattan High School would yield a similar three point defensive percentage playing the same schedule.


I don't think we should hold any team to that low of a standard.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: TheProdigiousTalent on January 20, 2017, 01:50:09 AM
I'd like to take a moment here to just sort of remind myself how completely ridiculous and amazing it is that Dixon left Pitt to go to TCU (his alma mater or whatever, i know).  The B12 coaching cadre is so incredible. 
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: puniraptor on January 20, 2017, 05:16:10 AM
greg what are the big 12 standings now
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2017, 06:37:26 AM
I'd like to take a moment here to just sort of remind myself how completely ridiculous and amazing it is that Dixon left Pitt to go to TCU (his alma mater or whatever, i know).  The B12 coaching cadre is so incredible.

He left because the program at Pitt had grown stale and he had the chance to go to his alma mater, in a power conference, before he had what absolutely would have been a hot seat season if he stayed. The timing was perfect for Jamie.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 20, 2017, 07:46:10 AM
our 3 pt defense %  :lol:
That has to be the worst in the country, certainly in the top 8 conferences. There's no real way to know this but I'd be willing to bet that Manhattan High School would yield a similar three point defensive percentage playing the same schedule.

No, not really.

ACC: 5 teams allow >41%, FSU the worst at 46.1%.
Big East: 2 allow 42%.
Big 10: 4 allow >40%, Michigan at 52.5%. !!!!
Pac 12: 4 allow >40%, Washington State at 45%.

Ours is bad, no question, but I do still believe that 3PT% defense is a bit of a lottery.

http://kenpom.com/blog/offense-vs-defense-the-summary/
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 20, 2017, 06:37:51 PM
greg what are the big 12 standings now
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170121/b052323a92fa32482f1ecff14e1adeed.jpg)

This is a shitshow with KU alone at the top if we beat WVU

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Powercat Posse on January 20, 2017, 07:58:42 PM
our 3 pt defense %  :lol:

It's the only thing that is truly abysmal.  Our 2pt D and DReb% could be slightly better, sure.

The 2pt 3pt Ft shooting % are all solid for us. We also have almost +5.0% on TO rate. 

Teams are shooting 18 3pt per game. If they were masking 33% like past 4 Weber years, it would be great. But 8-8.5 makes in 18 tries is 7- 8 more pts per game. That's huge. 44-90 3pt allowed last 5 games
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2017, 08:14:46 PM
our 3 pt defense %  :lol:
That has to be the worst in the country, certainly in the top 8 conferences. There's no real way to know this but I'd be willing to bet that Manhattan High School would yield a similar three point defensive percentage playing the same schedule.

No, not really.

ACC: 5 teams allow >41%, FSU the worst at 46.1%.
Big East: 2 allow 42%.
Big 10: 4 allow >40%, Michigan at 52.5%. !!!!
Pac 12: 4 allow >40%, Washington State at 45%.

Ours is bad, no question, but I do still believe that 3PT% defense is a bit of a lottery.

http://kenpom.com/blog/offense-vs-defense-the-summary/

52% is freaking insane.

Sure it's a bit of a lottery but I also think our inability to make perimeter players uncomfortable, ever plays a role. We don't guard players on the outside hard and don't have much length to bother shooters. I'm not saying I necessarily have an issue with our defensive philosophy, but eliminating drivers and cutters does have some consequence.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Bookie Pimp on January 20, 2017, 08:50:02 PM
greg what are the big 12 standings now
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170121/b052323a92fa32482f1ecff14e1adeed.jpg)

This is a shitshow with KU alone at the top if we beat WVU

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Right in the meaty part of the bell curve... That's our #oscar!

 :weirdrobert:   :billdance:   :weirdrobert:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: sys on January 20, 2017, 09:49:04 PM
3% was last year's claim to defensive fame.  it's pure noise.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Steffy08 on January 20, 2017, 11:18:31 PM
our 3 pt defense %  :lol:
That has to be the worst in the country, certainly in the top 8 conferences. There's no real way to know this but I'd be willing to bet that Manhattan High School would yield a similar three point defensive percentage playing the same schedule.

Instead of Manhattan High, what about air?

We are going to have some game where our opponent goes 2-22; I hope it is KU.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 22, 2017, 09:03:45 AM
Greg not trying to nitpick here, but could use a stando update. Tia. Go cats.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 22, 2017, 01:09:41 PM
(http://goEMAW.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Big-12-Four-Factors-1-22-17.png)

Defense must get better, but this offense is really fun to watch.

FWIW, oscar is on the verge of having the best shooting team EVER at K-State since the inclusion of the 3PT line in 1986-87. This year's eFG% of 55.9% ranks just ahead of 1987-88 at 55.6%. Currently 8th since 1948-49 in FG% (.490) and 5th overall in 3PT% (.383). oscar and his staff deserve a lot of credit for developing players and an offense that shoots the ball this well.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 22, 2017, 01:18:28 PM
I try not to get too high and too low based on a couple wins/losses, particularly road losses. But this team is several bullshit whistles from being in 1st in the conf and top 10 in the country. It's pretty good, in any event. That is quite an amazing accomplishment considering the staff had to blow up the roster like 20 months ago, and I think they deserve a ton of credit. We have a lot of good players on this roster, and they run the system well.

You know what else, I don't give a eff that it was "their" players that they had to "runoff". So don't respond to that effect. It had to be done, took huge balls to do, and is seemingly paying off. So eff anyone who raises that tired circular talking point.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on January 22, 2017, 01:36:50 PM
Sounds like we are the kk texas techs of basketball
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 22, 2017, 01:45:41 PM
Sounds like we are the kk texas techs of basketball

Or a slower version of Hoiberg Iowa State.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 24, 2017, 08:22:13 AM
Tonight is huge for the cats.  A game at Iowa State which is winnable (sorry havs) #farmageddon should be one for the ages.  Our team is coming off of a two win week in conference as Iowa State is coming off of a heart throb again st KU and then winning a close one on the road.  Will continue when I get back to dorm

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Yard Dog on January 24, 2017, 08:41:53 AM
The big game tonight is definitely WVU vs KU. If WVU can win, then the conference race still looks wide open. If WVU gets handled. . .go ahead and crown KU.

I am also pulling for the cats. If WVU gets handled and we beat ISU we are firmly in 3rd place for a week. Even if WVU wins, we have the tie breaker for third. . for now. Which is a positive psychologically for the players and a tuck's wet dream.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 24, 2017, 09:22:03 AM
Alright continuing my latest post.
ESPN U 8pm 1/24/2017
KSU @ Iowa St.  :Carl:
Iowa State beat OU who has recently gained momentum thanks to star sooner Jordan Woodard in DOUBLE OVERTIME 92-87. I don't know how much of a difference one guy can make but that is a very close game.  The spread for tonight's game is 4.5 ISU. We have lost to Iowa State out of the last 5 meetings 4 times. I see this game being close in Ames as oscar has cracked under pressure in Ames the last couple times we have played there, however I wouldn't be surprised if we pull away with the dub. oscar still surprises me any chance he gets.

ESPN 6pm
KU @ WVU
TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT CDUB!
IS WVU THE BEST IN THE BIG 12??? FIND OUT TONIGHT!
With West Virginia coming off of a loss on the road to KU's Big Bro they will surely show KU who is boss. KU has a very tough slate this week with this game against WVU in Morgantown and then they travel to play The Kentucky Cats in the SEC challenge this weekend with Baylor in AFH the following Monday. I see this game getting very heated very fast as Huggy will come out with his game face on ready to knock off the number one team in the conference . If KU loses tonight they will end up becoming 7-1 in conference play and making the race for the regular season title very close. My wish for the little brother is for KU to go 0-3 in the coming stretch of games however one can dream. I am supporting West Virginia in this contest since I would love for Huggy to hand the whiney Squawks their first L in confy play of the season.

As of now Big 12 LEAGUE STANDINGS are as listed.

Squawks 7-0
Johnathan Motley 6-1
#lockhimup 4-3
Huggy and the Huggettes 4-3
Iowa State Cardinals 4-3
Tech 3-4
Horny Toads 3-5
Cows 2-6
Jordan Woodard 2-6
Shaka Not so Smart 2-6


Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: meow meow on January 24, 2017, 09:33:24 AM
How will tonight prove if WVU is the best in the Big 12?  dumb
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 24, 2017, 09:38:43 AM
If they can keep up and win.  They are underrated IMO,  KU isn't unbeatable and I think this is the game they get handed their first L in conference play

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 24, 2017, 09:54:53 AM
WVU has this game against KU then Texas A&M at home then they travel to Iowa State.  This is other teams to get the jump on KU for the title race as things are tough for KU and the top contenders (WVU and Baylor) things are easy.  Baylor plays Tech in Waco tomorrow then heads out to Ole Miss on Saturday.

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: meow meow on January 24, 2017, 12:11:03 PM
If they can keep up and win.  They are underrated IMO,  KU isn't unbeatable and I think this is the game they get handed their first L in conference play

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lol, they are already 3 games behind KU and we're not even half way thru the conference schedule, beating them tonight doesn't change anything. 
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 24, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
When you lose to the one of the bottom 3 teams at home, you aren't winning this league.

That said, WVU/Huggs are still good and will finish in the top half of the league and go dancing. sys nailed it when he said they have one real strength (forcing TOs) and when that doesn't work, they are very beatable.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 24, 2017, 12:14:44 PM
I like to think it does.

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: meow meow on January 24, 2017, 12:27:31 PM
classic greg, trolling the crap out of me, well played
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: cDubya on January 24, 2017, 12:44:25 PM
I'm not holding my breath tonight. OU and the Cats both exploited the fact that, as pointed out, WVU is a one trick pony. Hell, they killed free throws against you all and still lost.

Yeah, the Eers can show up angry and knock off KU at home, but they'll blow another game or two down the stretch and finish 3rd-4th in the conference.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Powercat Posse on January 24, 2017, 03:13:10 PM
WV lost at home to a bottom 3 team, lost at 2 teams that are middle of the pack.  Forget about them challenging KU, they arent likely to finish any higher than 3rd right now. Baylor is only team than is challenging KU for 1st.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 27, 2017, 09:26:08 AM
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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 27, 2017, 11:15:13 AM
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My big 12 sec challenge preview will be coming tonight

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Bookie Pimp on January 30, 2017, 06:30:42 PM
Looks like the @Big12Conference noticed that Greg hasn't been keeping up with this thread...

Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 30, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
Plus, I don't remember any SEC preview. That's probably why they lost.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Bookie Pimp on January 30, 2017, 06:58:49 PM
Plus, I don't remember any SEC preview. That's probably why they lost.

True.  Well, that and the fact that our scholarship D-1 basketball athletes just don't take the limited opportunities they have to play college basketball "seriously" enough.

 :dubious:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 31, 2017, 07:23:16 AM
Plus, I don't remember any SEC preview. That's probably why they lost.
I had class and a Calc review.  Guys to write for 10 games takes a bit of my time. Will do one before tonight's and tomorrow's games.  I know I'm just throwing out exbruces.

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 31, 2017, 07:25:16 AM
It's all good. As someone once said, "they are probably excuses, but they are probably also facts."

:cheers:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: pvegs on January 31, 2017, 10:13:21 AM
It's all good. As someone once said, "they are probably excuses, but they are probably also facts."

:cheers:

 :lol: :lol: i had forgotten that one. probably my fave oscar quote of all time. need it on a tshirt
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 31, 2017, 10:18:25 AM
Its the best Brucism OAT.

#factscuses

Quote from: oscar
"I guess they’re excuses, but they’re probably facts, also."

He also used his typical qualifiers; "I guess" and "probably".

It sums up oscar perfectly.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2017, 10:41:30 AM
Its the best Brucism OAT.

#factscuses

Quote from: oscar
"I guess they’re excuses, but they’re probably facts, also."

He also used his typical qualifiers; "I guess" and "probably".

It sums up oscar perfectly.
:love:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kslim on January 31, 2017, 10:42:43 AM
@_33

MAKE IT HAPPEN ILL BUY 2
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Bookie Pimp on January 31, 2017, 12:26:30 PM
Its the best Brucism OAT.

#factscuses

Quote from: oscar
"I guess they’re excuses, but they’re probably facts, also."

He also used his typical qualifiers; "I guess" and "probably".

It sums up oscar perfectly.

DEFINITELY needs to be on a shirt. 

I'm in for at least two also and likely a 3rd for BP Jr. if youth sizes will be available.

Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on January 31, 2017, 12:49:55 PM
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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Cire on January 31, 2017, 01:17:57 PM
How much of our good shooting is coming against prevent defense?


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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 02, 2017, 06:38:18 AM
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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: meow meow on February 02, 2017, 09:55:23 AM
could you please stop ruining greg's thread with your stupid numbers and charts
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 02, 2017, 10:07:22 AM
could you please stop ruining greg's thread with your stupid numbers and charts

Seriously. STFU. 95% of posters on here enjoy FANs charts and time he puts in.

If you are in the 5%, be quiet and move on to different thread
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: meow meow on February 02, 2017, 11:21:02 AM
could you please stop ruining greg's thread with your stupid numbers and charts

Seriously. STFU. 95% of posters on here enjoy FANs charts and time he puts in.

If you are in the 5%, be quiet and move on to different thread

relax it's Thursday
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Ptolemy on February 02, 2017, 11:26:04 AM
could you please stop ruining greg's thread with your stupid numbers and charts

I concur. I have to look at numbers all day every day. I come here for stupid oscar open-mouth gifs. I don't need numbers to tell me oscar is a moron and he was hired by a moron who will never admit he's a moron because he is a moron.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 02, 2017, 11:42:23 AM
could you please stop ruining greg's thread with your stupid numbers and charts

I concur. I have to look at numbers all day every day. I come here for stupid oscar open-mouth gifs. I don't need numbers to tell me oscar is a moron and he was hired by a moron who will never admit he's a moron because he is a moron.

Okay then.

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 02, 2017, 11:50:40 AM
our 3pt % defense  :lol:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Bill Clarahan on February 02, 2017, 11:56:23 AM
could you please stop ruining greg's thread with your stupid numbers and charts

I concur. I have to look at numbers all day every day. I come here for stupid oscar open-mouth gifs. I don't need numbers to tell me oscar is a moron and he was hired by a moron who will never admit he's a moron because he is a moron.

Okay then.

(http://goEMAW.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/lost.gif)

Your best yet!
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 02, 2017, 11:56:56 AM
our 3pt % defense  :lol:

Its ridiculous. Michigan is the only "major" with worse 3PT defense than us (48.9%!).
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: pissclams on February 02, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
The Flush might be the worst defender i've ever seen
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 02, 2017, 01:25:38 PM
our 3pt % defense  :lol:

Its ridiculous. Michigan is the only "major" with worse 3PT defense than us (48.9%!).

Ku was the last big 12 team to shoot above 50.0% on 2pt against us.  We consistently do a good job their despite having DR issues.     I meen Tcu could have almost gone 17-17 on 2pt instead of 17 3PA, and it may not have really mattered

Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 02, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
Carlbe is my least favorite #brucketball player

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Skipper44 on February 02, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
His offensive rebounding is entertaining
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 02, 2017, 05:29:29 PM
Ervin is a weird guy to not like.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: sys on February 02, 2017, 05:38:15 PM
 :surprised:

wherefore aren't thou, royals?
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 02, 2017, 08:24:18 PM
Ervin is a weird guy to not like.

He's been a good energy guy in league play, 11 minutes per game.
He is getting a Rebound every 5.5 minutes. That's better than DJamer, Wes or Wade.  He is 53% eFG and 5-5 FT. His 7/8 Ast TO ratio is one thing he can do better
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 02, 2017, 09:52:03 PM
I'm not saying Ervin is my favorite player, but he fills his role nicely.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Skipper44 on February 02, 2017, 10:17:11 PM
I can't help but smile when he gets a Oreb on a free throw
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: MakeItRain on February 02, 2017, 10:31:44 PM
our 3pt % defense  :lol:

We're just really unlucky, that has nothing to do with our actual defense
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Tobias on February 02, 2017, 11:11:47 PM
I can't help but smile when he gets a Oreb on a free throw

i miss hearing the terms Oreb or McOreb :frown:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Trim on February 02, 2017, 11:16:06 PM
I can't help but smile when he gets a Oreb on a free throw

i miss hearing the terms Oreb or McOreb :frown:

Replaced by mol and dapper man!  :excited:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 05, 2017, 02:28:36 PM
More stupid stats:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C37SB3JUYAAz5Iz.png:large)
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: sys on February 05, 2017, 03:08:32 PM
underwood's team has the number 2 offense in the country and martin's team has the number 2 offense.  osu defense 119th, usc offense 146th.


if only the cows could defend.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 05, 2017, 03:09:33 PM
Baylor last in eFG and 9th in 2pt is head scratching. So is Isu being able to force over 23% on TO
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: sys on February 05, 2017, 03:12:24 PM
Baylor last in eFG and 9th in 2pt is head scratching.

not if you've watched them, it isn't.  they're a higher class version of usc.  great defense, can't shoot (no pg).
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 05, 2017, 04:41:16 PM
Baylor last in eFG and 9th in 2pt is head scratching.

not if you've watched them, it isn't.  they're a higher class version of usc.  great defense, can't shoot (no pg).

For the season they are 53.4 on eFG & 53.0 on 2pt%.
They played a tough non con (7 of 12 teams are top 100 RPI).
Both eFG and 2pt were about 8-9% better in the Noncon
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 05, 2017, 05:07:24 PM
The best at 2s and worst at 3s is weird for our Cats.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: catastrophe on February 06, 2017, 09:23:58 AM
our 3pt % defense  :lol:

We're just really unlucky, that has nothing to do with our actual defense

LBBIQ here, but I do have problems figuring out what exactly we do wrong sometimes. I think it was TCU where their guy who made 11 3s all season went off for something like 5 in the game. Then you get shots like Baylor's near the end of the game that was damn near half court.

To some extent you want to bait shooters into taking that kind of fools gold, but for us it seems to be actual gold more often than not.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: michigancat on February 06, 2017, 09:48:18 AM
The best at 2s and worst at 3s is weird for our Cats.

if you believe that 3FG% isn't a lottery, KSU over-helping on D would make a lot of sense explaining it.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 06, 2017, 09:53:03 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170206/058b783797be2d0ddd6a197c4228bc07.jpg)

Tonight's game holds an interesting fate for both teams.  If the KSU cats win then we will have a 3 way tie for 2nd and then Baylor and KU have a tie for first.  KU definitely has a few bumps in the road as they play West Virginia in AFH and Baylor in Waco in the same week after they finish this week at Texas Tech.  We play @ West Virginia and then have ISU at home the following Wednesday.  The Big 12 is THE toughest conference in college basketball as you simply can't predict outcomes as you can when it comes to other conference play.

Now I don't know how the conference tournament seeding tie breakers work but with the spread pictured above it will definitely get very interesting come conference seeding time and #SelectionSunday

These next games are far more crucial for Kstate moving forward because of the hole that we have been put in since we lost to TCU. 

I think the Kansas State Cats with a win tonight, we will see a a few things change in the way they play as it will be very high energy for the weeks to come. I like to say that we will win a majority of our games going forward but we have Oscar steering the ship.  He could take us to the promise land but at the same time he could run this ship aground and we will be rough ridin' screwed. We have a seen it before. My dream scenario is to win our next three games and sweep WVU but it is only a dream and I would be one happy #brucketball fan if it happens. 

This game is the only Big 12 game this evening and if you have been living under a rock.
The game tips at 8pm Central time.
Only on ESPN.

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2017, 10:00:32 AM
our 3pt % defense  :lol:

We're just really unlucky, that has nothing to do with our actual defense

LBBIQ here, but I do have problems figuring out what exactly we do wrong sometimes. I think it was TCU where their guy who made 11 3s all season went off for something like 5 in the game. Then you get shots like Baylor's near the end of the game that was damn near half court.

To some extent you want to bait shooters into taking that kind of fools gold, but for us it seems to be actual gold more often than not.

Our defense seems to be designed to take away driving lanes and we don't apply heavy ball pressure on the perimeter. Teams that apply heavy ball pressure can be vulnerable if you can keep the ball moving, faster than the defense but high ball pressure teams also have a tendency to move the offense back off of the arc a little bit. Our defense does not do that so three point shooters against us are catching the ball pretty comfortably on the stripe. Advanced metrics don't tell you how many contested threes someone hits, we don't contest as many as we should.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 06, 2017, 02:55:02 PM
The best at 2s and worst at 3s is weird for our Cats.

if you believe that 3FG% isn't a lottery, KSU over-helping on D would make a lot of sense explaining it.

1) I thought vs Baylor, we did our best job in a long while of not helping so much or cheating off of shooters who are lined up behind the arc. Baylor did hit 4 of their first 7 from 3pt, but Lecomte hit the 1st shot vs our opening possession zone D, and he got another in transistion where we just didn't pick him up.   They finished making 3 of last 11. 

It's not as simple as it sounds, but if you are going to cheat off a shooter to play help D against a dribble drive or vs the screener diving towards the hoop....you have to make the passing lane more difficult as you cheat closer to the middle of the lane.

Teams have had their way with making baseline 3pt shots vs Us.  Or it sure seems that way.

Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2017, 07:20:25 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4OeifOUcAI_v0a.png:large)
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: pissclams on February 09, 2017, 08:18:43 AM
if there's one thing that oscar weber is guilty of, it's that he coaches 2 pt defense with an intense passion. unfortunately, his team has mistakenly taken that to mean that he doesn't care about 3 pt defense, when of course he cares about 3 pt defense!

good on weber for coaching 2 pt defense so hard, lots of points on the Coach Hard chart awarded to oscar.  bad on the team to misconstrue coach weber's message.  what are these guys thinking???
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2017, 08:22:29 AM
If we were simply bad at 3PT defense and gave up like 40% (still last in the league) we probably have 2-3 more wins. I know there are moving parts and maybe that means other aspects of the defense suffer, but 45.6% is just awful.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2017, 08:28:52 AM
We are the worst at 3 D/eFg because we constantly leave shooters wide open with help D.  We allow the most uncontested open looks from behind the arc I ever seen from a team that plays relatively decent D over all.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2017, 08:34:49 AM
I know an up tempo offense is fun to watch and it's what fans aspire for, but it makes me nervous as crap watching these guys run out of control up and down the court. I never feel like they're going to finish on a 2 on 1 run.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: pissclams on February 09, 2017, 08:40:50 AM
We are the worst at 3 D/eFg because we constantly leave shooters wide open with help D.  We allow the most uncontested open looks from behind the arc I ever seen from a team that plays relatively decent D over all.

no
we are supposedly the worst* at 3 point defense because we try too hard on defense
this team has been kicking ass at 3 point defense.  it might not show it in the box score, but who gets caught up in the minutia of a box score?

*statistically

Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2017, 08:42:30 AM
I think clams is referencing the play hard 3pt defense chart, which we consistently kick butt at. Other teams just make more plays.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2017, 08:54:07 AM
Sorry guys, I forgot about the play hard chart :(
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 10, 2017, 03:59:43 PM
This helps explain some of the defensive issues on the perimeter.

http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article132006664.html
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on February 10, 2017, 05:11:50 PM
Has anyone looked into the possibility of other teams cheating and jacking 3's when we aren't ready?
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 10, 2017, 05:26:42 PM
Has anyone looked into the possibility of other teams cheating and jacking 3's when we aren't ready?
Yeah I suppose us not being out there to defend the ball would count as us not being ready lib^7
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 12, 2017, 09:47:08 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4eb8dmUMAEXK4_.png:large)

Defense has been a season long concern, but K-State's offense has slipped badly. 4 of the last 6 games have featured offensive efficiency of .91 or worse with a high of 1.06. Only 1 game with an eFG% of over 50%. The season and perhaps oscar's job hinges on getting that corrected.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 19, 2017, 09:52:48 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5ChJ6NVYAAZsj0.png:large)
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 23, 2017, 01:45:48 PM
First 7 B12 games -- 1.11 PtsPerPoss on Offense
Last 9 games -- 0.98 PtsPerPoss


Last 4 home gms -- allow 1.15 PPP
Last 5 road gms -- allow 1.02 PPP
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 23, 2017, 03:08:08 PM
5 clear NCAA teams. Maybe TCU sneaks in; I've put a fork in the Cats. We may pick up a meaningless win over OU or Tech (maybe both), but we aren't getting another quality win.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5YPcHHUoAAU6El.png:large)
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Pett on February 23, 2017, 03:10:57 PM
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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: IPA4Me on February 23, 2017, 03:27:18 PM
You're my hero!


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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: CatsNShocks on February 23, 2017, 03:48:16 PM
 :love:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 26, 2017, 09:14:28 AM
(http://goEMAW.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Big-12-Four-Factors.png)

K-State now last in the league in eFG% differential and 2nd to last in Oboarding. Have even fallen off of oscar's assistketball perch.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: slackcat on February 26, 2017, 09:32:42 AM
Do you happen to have a Big 12 playhard chart?
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 26, 2017, 09:44:52 AM
Do you happen to have a Big 12 playhard chart?

Those numbers secret.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Tobias on February 26, 2017, 10:01:04 AM
don't imagine dsf will be allowed to leak another :frown:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: pvegs on February 26, 2017, 02:53:48 PM
don't imagine dsf will be allowed to leak another :frown:

i think you mean "the other dude"
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: wetwillie on February 26, 2017, 02:56:24 PM
I would pay a modest amount of money to see dscott throw a sandwich at oscar at the next post game presser.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 28, 2017, 08:20:06 AM
(http://goEMAW.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Big-12-Four-Factors.png)

K-State now last in the league in eFG% differential and 2nd to last in Oboarding. Have even fallen off of oscar's assistketball perch.

BTW, this is where we finished last year.

(http://goEMAW.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/3-5-16-Big-12-Four-Factors.png)

Efficiency differential (thanks OU!) has gotten much worse.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 28, 2017, 09:55:37 AM
K-State offensive/defensive efficiencey in Big 12 play under oscar. Last column is the Big 12 average for each season.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5wsMICU4AI7P63.png)
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Skipper44 on February 28, 2017, 10:07:41 AM
2017 as the worst defense is not terribly surprising, especially with boogered up DJamer

I am surprised that oscar's best(2013) and worst (2015) were both at the league average on D
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 28, 2017, 10:28:08 AM
Going back to 2002 for comparison's sake.

(http://goEMAW.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Efficiency.png)

Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on March 04, 2017, 09:35:01 PM
Final Big 12 stats for the season. Another one comes to an end.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6H9qtxU4AAto6e.png:large)
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: wetwillie on March 04, 2017, 09:40:40 PM
I'm not sure exactly what Iowa State is but kenpom hates the crap out of them so I'm inclined to as well.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on March 04, 2017, 09:45:51 PM
I'm not sure exactly what Iowa State is but kenpom hates the crap out of them so I'm inclined to as well.

And they will likely have a major drop off next year.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: MakeItRain on March 04, 2017, 10:30:32 PM
I'm not sure exactly what Iowa State is but kenpom hates the crap out of them so I'm inclined to as well.

And they will likely have a major drop off next year.

There is a little bit of speculation that Prohm may do a job reset; possibly returning to the southeast, LSU maybe.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 23, 2018, 02:01:10 AM
What a crap shoot this year of rankings have been. Cats are tied for third with WV, tech in a close second and KU leading the pack. Looking back at this thread its incredible to see how far @KStateMBB has come. Tech also logistically is crazy good. Very excited for these next two weeks and hopefully Cats can some how win a share of the title. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180223/91d9e18dcb2bb4b46bfbc5451bce4f47.jpg)

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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: puniraptor on February 23, 2018, 04:05:51 AM
I looked at these standings and have run the algorithms. Let me tell you guys: if KU loses out and we win out, Cats are B12 champs again.

Don't count it out, the numbers add up!
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: OK_Cat on February 23, 2018, 08:08:05 AM
Logistically


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Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: catastrophe on February 23, 2018, 09:59:33 AM
I looked at these standings and have run the algorithms. Let me tell you guys: if KU loses out and we win out, Cats are B12 champs again.

Don't count it out, the numbers add up!

Not if Tech wins out...right? It could happen logistically.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Yard Dog on February 23, 2018, 03:01:33 PM
It really sucks that Keenan Evans got injured. Tech would have easily won the league if he had been healthy the last two games.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: kso_FAN on February 23, 2018, 03:03:39 PM
It really sucks that Keenan Evans got injured. Tech would have easily won the league if he had been healthy the last two games.

I agree.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: puniraptor on February 23, 2018, 04:25:42 PM
If the sneaks run out and the Gatorade dries up, you have no chance.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: sys on February 23, 2018, 04:55:16 PM
honestly, if bill can survive another year or two, i wouldn't mind if sean took a sabatical to worm his way inside tech bball's logistics side and figure out how we can replicate it up here.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Skipper44 on February 24, 2018, 03:47:43 PM
Why settle for Snyder when Sutton is available?
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: stunted on July 06, 2019, 06:26:55 PM
The Flush might be the worst defender i've ever seen

 : :lol:
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2019, 08:16:39 PM
OH. MY. GOD!!!! @pissclams
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: GregKSU1027 on September 10, 2019, 09:14:26 AM
wow i forgot about this.
Title: Re: Big 12 standings with Greg
Post by: Havs on September 10, 2019, 01:38:00 PM
2017-18 basketball was awful