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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Powercat Posse on January 08, 2011, 02:37:21 PM
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I don't care what anyone thinks on here..... Irving is not point gaurd material and he and Russel look so uncomfortable with the ball in their hands it is not funny. Pullen can not have the ball in his hands all the time.
Sprads might be a below ave defender, but he has true point guard instincts. Irving and Russel don't want the ball at the top of the key. It is easy to see, as soon as they get the ball in that position, they immediately want to get rid of the ball.
6 assts and 21 turnovers today.
Now our bigs were an absolute joke today. They are a big reason why we lost, but looking down the road, if Sprads is not getting minutes, our half court offense is gonna continue to struggle. We made FTs today and still only put up 62 pts.
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Because anyone who can be picked by pig boy is obviously the turnaround player :ck:
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We need a point guard because we don't have one. Spradling playing more will not help.
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I think Spradling slipped and lost the ball. Don't recall his pocket being picked.
Not saying we lost because Sprads barely saw the court the first 35 minutes, but its painful to watch us pass the ball in the half court when Jake is the only one that wants to have the ball in his hands.
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You are a f*cking moron
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If Spradling is the answer, we are NIT bound.
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irving, russell and spradling were all bad. really bad.
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Even the dumbest coaches in this cnf now have a crystal clear blueprint how to beat ksu now.
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You are a f*cking moron
This. Spradling is awful.
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Sprads is not the answer. He is a role guy. You gotta have role guys if you want to be a good team. He needs to be on the court about half of the game (18-21 min).
When he touches the ball he does not desperately want to get rid of the ball ..... and yes most of the time that is exactly what Irving and Russel do. I don't expect those two guys to be the floor general on the floor because that is not there strong suit at all. But at the same time, we can't put sooo much pressure to Jake to be the floor general and be our scorer and still be able to be a great defender on the defensive end
Sprads isn't gonna dassel anyone as a floor general this year. But he at least tries to embrace his role and doesn't turn the ball over as much when he is dribbling or penetrating.
Anyone notice that Irving had 9 TOs in the 3 games Jake missed (ave under a TO a game in other games) 9 TO in 49 minutes. Think that can be attributed to him having to play PG and play floor general more with JP out? Irving had 4 TOs today with Sprads on the bench most of the first 35 minutes
Sprads ave a TO every 14.5 min (compared to Russel 1 every 10 min) and we know which guard has the ball in his hands more.
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If by sprads being on the court you mean that we are killing motherfuckers enough that we can allow for a slip in talent on the floor due to the lead, then yes I agree.
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I don't care what anyone thinks on here..... Irving is not point gaurd material and he and Russel look so uncomfortable with the ball in their hands it is not funny. Pullen can not have the ball in his hands all the time.
Sprads might be a below ave defender, but he has true point guard instincts. Irving and Russel don't want the ball at the top of the key. It is easy to see, as soon as they get the ball in that position, they immediately want to get rid of the ball.
6 assts and 21 turnovers today.
Now our bigs were an absolute joke today. They are a big reason why we lost, but looking down the road, if Sprads is not getting minutes, our half court offense is gonna continue to struggle. We made FTs today and still only put up 62 pts.
So why post then?
Whether or not Sprads plays will not impact the ugliness of our half court offense. I suppose the only argument for playing more is for experience because someone needs to develop some point guard skills. Sprads is playing more than I expected and has been a pleasant surprise. This will only help him in the next few years, but for this year we're playing without a point man and without anyone to run our transition offense. We were spoiled with Denis.
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Anyone think Angel starts day 1 next year?
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Anyone think Angel starts day 1 next year?
Yeah. Mostly due to the fact that he's latino.
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Meh. Why do I keep thinking that Spradling isn't a true Big XII PG? Too slow. Would be a good Missouri Valley PG though.
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Meh. Why do I think that Spradling isn't a true Big XII PG? Too slow.
this... plenty of times there were driving lanes for him after getting seperation from his defender, and he always allowed his defender to recover and get back in front of him because he is so rough ridin' slow..
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I don't have HBBIQ, but I know I did not like it when Doc was playing today.
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The fact is Posse is right. Jake isnt a point and he's killing us. There have been many fantastic college point guards that were slower than Sprads and couldn't hit a jumpshot if their life depended on it. A point is so much more than a stat line...the biggest issue with Sprads at point is can he lead as a freshman. Until he does, we won't get better.
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didn't read this thread, but Spradling sucks. Hard. Everytime he was on the court today, a little part of me died.
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Anyone think Angel starts day 1 next year?
no. but spread the word as much as possible. it'll be hard for the tards to hate him if they don't expect him to be a savior.
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The fact is Posse is right. Jake isnt a point and he's killing us. There have been many fantastic college point guards that were slower than Sprads and couldn't hit a jumpshot if their life depended on it. A point is so much more than a stat line...the biggest issue with Sprads at point is can he lead as a freshman. Until he does, we won't get better.
jake isnt killing us. the pussies in the paint are. spradling cant lead b/c he sucks. it should embarrass us as fans that he has started even a single game for kstate this year, even with pullen's suspension. he is AWFUL.
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well, poss, i'd say it's worth a shot. send bob knight an email and see if he'll talk to frank about it.
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Sprads has the right mind and his game was ok at the beginning of the year (non com-duke). Things have sped up too fast for him right now. Its a bit of a freshman wall combined with physical abilities. He is playing too fast for his skill set and rushing. I don't see why he couldn't be like okie's pig face. Once he slows his own game down a bit he will be better, but that isn't saying much right now.
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For those that think Sprads sucks..... thats fine. Thats your opinion. There are times this year where i think he has sucked in certain games.
I am gonna stand by my belief that we need him to get his minutes for us to be a better team.
I think Irving and to an extent Russel have to get their minutes too for us to be the best team we can be.
For me perfect in big games =
Pullen - 35 min
Gruds 30
Sprads 19
Irving 17
Russel 15
Vic 5
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Anyone else surprised Canada didn't play (maybe he did late when I quit watching)?
Loved Irving powering up an inside point early, but then he kept losing the dribble whenever he tried to go in the lane and his three-point shot has disappeared again. Russel shows flashes of promise but his defense and ball handling suck. Doc just too slow and with him in the game our offense is pushed much farther out.
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Anyone else surprised that Canada didn't play (maybe he did late after I quit watching)?
Loved Irving powering up an inside point early, but then he kept losing his dribble whenever he tried to go into the lane and his three-point shot has disappeared again. Russell shows flashes of promise but is just too slow and his ball handling sucks. Doc's defense sucks and with him in the game our offense was pushed even farther out.
made your post smarter. fixed the grammar, style and spelling a little, too.
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Spradling has awful ball handling skills for a DIVISION 1 POINT GUARD? psh. This staff is frustrating me. Will we ever land a good recruit? ( not those 3 star hard working tough nosed defenders)
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Doc just needs to provide viable minutes at PG for 10 mpg or so. He's the best option when Pullen isn't at PG. Really, the first 30 minutes were okay yesterday and few of the TOs during that time were caused by Pullen at PG, they were caused by stupid basketball decisions by a variety of other players. We had a ton of TOs that were really unforced; just our guys playing too fast, making poor decisions, or trying to do too much. Not much of that can be changed by PG play.
And I like Sprads, but after he slipped and turned the ball over on his first possession he looked uncomfortable the rest of the game and I really didn't want him out there. I thought Russell looked okay at times and Irving really struggled. They looked like young guards not handling things well, which is unfortunate. No doubt we've got to get better play out of them. But I've also come to the conclusion our best option is Pullen at PG 25-30 mpg, then probably Sprads the other 10-15 minutes. Irving and Russell have to give 15 or so minutes of viable SG minutes per game, and they didn't yesterday. Pullen was our best guard and Russell probably our second best in yesterday's game with Irving and Sprads both playing poorly. We've got to have three of those guys play decent.
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Selby no irving or Wall, more like Spradling.
Goes on hot streaks, can't defend well yet, no quickness to the basket and makes freshman mistakes. Difference is that Spradling makes open shots and doesn't lead the team in attempts.
Posted on 1/9 5:56 PM | IP: Logged
GPC poster comparing Selby to Spradling.
You know, I'm really starting to believe our fans don't deserve good basketball.
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Agree Fan.... we have to get better and definatly more consistent play from all three of those guards.
And as a team as a whole ...... we have to get better at eliminating wasted possesions. 21 flippin turnovers and some shots we don't want guys shooting... (JO 15 footer, Wally contested jumper from base line, JamSam took a 16 footer with someone right in his grill.
Seriously, had we just done a better at that, instead of up 49-41 with 9 to play, maybe we are up 57-41 at that point.
Even though the final 9 minutes were disturbing on defense, holding any big 12 team to 41 pts in 31 minutes on their home court is a positive. Just too bad the offense was so sloppy for most of the day
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why no 95?
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why no 95?
espn gave him a 95 instead of an 85. Total mistake.
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why no 95?
whatever deficiencies he apparently has that are keeping him from seeing the floor can't be any worse than what we've put out there so far.