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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: slimz on January 01, 2011, 07:30:07 PM
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Bielema said that because he does not have a family, he hired coaches at Wisconsin who could fill that void; many of his assistants have three or four children. Bielema says he tries not to keep his coaches chained to their offices. He recalled staring at the walls while working for LHC Bill Snyder at Kansas State because he felt as if he had to be in his office, even with nothing to do. Bielema said he opened up many practices and meals to his coaches’ families.
“I was looking to surround myself with good family guys because I didn’t have one, and I wanted to breed that culture,” he said. “That’s what makes my situation work. I can live vicariously through them.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/01/sports/ncaafootball/01bachelors.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/01/sports/ncaafootball/01bachelors.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2)
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Powertards Reply: The only way to win at K-State is to work from 6am to Midnight every day and have a head coach micro manage every aspect of the program.
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jfc
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Snyder is such a pos.
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Glad those 18 hour work days are paying off for a 6-7 win season. What if our coaches worked 9-4?
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Bielema said that because he does not have a family, he hired coaches at Wisconsin who could fill that void; many of his assistants have three or four children. Bielema says he tries not to keep his coaches chained to their offices. He recalled staring at the walls while working for LHC Bill Snyder at Kansas State because he felt as if he had to be in his office, even with nothing to do. Bielema said he opened up many practices and meals to his coaches’ families.
“I was looking to surround myself with good family guys because I didn’t have one, and I wanted to breed that culture,” he said. “That’s what makes my situation work. I can live vicariously through them.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/01/sports/ncaafootball/01bachelors.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/01/sports/ncaafootball/01bachelors.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2)
We are doomed.
"LHC Bill Snyder" is a metaphor for the Maginot Line.
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Here's the thing, all those guys he had who were decent coaches never realized that they really would NOT be fired if they just said "eff it" and knocked off at 7 or so.
It's the crap ones who seem to have figured out that Old Balls is too much of a coward to pull the trigger.
Helluva deal, ya know?
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Let's put him in a home. It's time. We've already waited too long.
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Heard rumor once that Bill pursued very heavily the idea that a trained psychologist could hypnotize him into thinking he had slept or something. Like tricking your body into thinking you were sleeping when you were actually working.
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Here's the thing, all those guys he had who were decent coaches never realized that they really would NOT be fired if they just said "eff it" and knocked off at 7 or so.
It's the crap ones who seem to have figured out that Old Balls is too much of a coward to pull the trigger.
Helluva deal, ya know?
This is an excellent point.
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Let's put him in a home. It's time. We've already waited too long.
Christ, he's a Savant on offense, but this current AC situation has me thinking that we dont have much longer left before he forgets Tate's name and starts calling Currie "Max."
I want Leavitt as HC and Bill as OC....but make Bill work from the home. We could dedicate one of the GA jobs to simply printing Bill's emails and delivering game film to his home.
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I wish we had a hip, young black head coach that talked the big talk and would schedule us some big time non con games
Preferably a guy with a shaved head who ran a west coast offense
Instead of working the assistants to death he could shazbot! the wives of the assistants
BBR
Bring Back Ron!!!!
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The miitary has a mandatory retirement age. Maybe we could get Gerald Meyers to explain the virtues of this to Bill, and sorta coax him into the car on the way to the home?
You know exactly what Bill's response will be....he'll trot out Joe Pa examples. Jesus, Bill prolly thinks that cause that one guy he knew who smoked lived to 90, that cigs are harmless.
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Actually would not mind Rich Rod as next head coach
He won at WVU and that is not paradise
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makes 1.9 per year. and if he were to be fired from that gig, the only other thing he's qualified to do would be greet people at walmart.
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Actually would not mind Rich Rod as next head coach
He won at WVU and that is not paradise
ummm what has he "won" at WVU? He beat a Mark Richt coached team in a shootout so that adds an auto * to that win. wouldn't you rather have a coach that wouldn't eventually eff us over?
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I would love to see the author's notes for that paraphrase to see if it is as damning as it seems. If it is that bad it is the worst example of why the system isn't designed to perpetuate itself by bringing in good coaches and keeping them to sustain success.
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Actually would not mind Rich Rod as next head coach
He won at WVU and that is not paradise
ummm what has he "won" at WVU? He beat a Mark Richt coached team in a shootout so that adds an auto * to that win. wouldn't you rather have a coach that wouldn't eventually eff us over?
Please see Limestone's work in the "Why not Jim" thread. We aren't exactly a dream job.
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Actually would not mind Rich Rod as next head coach
He won at WVU and that is not paradise
ummm what has he "won" at WVU? He beat a Mark Richt coached team in a shootout so that adds an auto * to that win. wouldn't you rather have a coach that wouldn't eventually eff us over?
Please see Limestone's work in the "Why not Jim" thread. We aren't exactly a dream job.
do you know what group think theory is?
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Actually would not mind Rich Rod as next head coach
He won at WVU and that is not paradise
ummm what has he "won" at WVU? He beat a Mark Richt coached team in a shootout so that adds an auto * to that win. wouldn't you rather have a coach that wouldn't eventually eff us over?
Please see Limestone's work in the "Why not Jim" thread. We aren't exactly a dream job.
do you know what group think theory is?
So we are a dream job? Damn I'm glad you saved me from shuffling off the cliff with the rest of the herd.
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Please see Limestone's work in the "Why not Jim" thread. We aren't exactly a dream job.
gmafb. there's only like 100 d1 fball coaching jobs in the world. and like 6 billion people.
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Please see Limestone's work in the "Why not Jim" thread. We aren't exactly a dream job.
gmafb. there's only like 100 d1 fball coaching jobs in the world. and like 6 billion people.
Well, there is the PRESUMPTION of qualification for the job....
BUT, to Sys's point, there wouldn't be a shortage of aspiring young binder toting slicksters willing to take the job.
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The miitary has a mandatory retirement age. Maybe we could get Gerald Meyers to explain the virtues of this to Bill, and sorta coax him into the car on the way to the home?
Bill would prolly spend all his money on balloons and helium to float BSFS to South America rather than be sent to a home.
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Actually would not mind Rich Rod as next head coach
He won at WVU and that is not paradise
ummm what has he "won" at WVU? He beat a Mark Richt coached team in a shootout so that adds an auto * to that win. wouldn't you rather have a coach that wouldn't eventually eff us over?
I think Bill is rough ridin' us over way worse than Rich "3 top 10 finishes in 3 years" Rodriguez mumped over WVU. JMO
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I would love to see the author's notes for that paraphrase to see if it is as damning as it seems. If it is that bad it is the worst example of why the system isn't designed to perpetuate itself by bringing in good coaches and keeping them to sustain success.
There are some quotes from Bobby Stoops floating around that are very similar to what Brett said :frown:
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Have seen Bob's quotes and Mangino has said or insinuated similar. Practices like this and stories about neurotic attention to detail and being obtuse with the media, etc used to be admirable. Now they just perpetuate what a pain in the ass the guy is to work for.
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This stuff is like anything. When you are successful and winning 11 games a year, people will overlook it or even make it a positive. When that success stops then it becomes an issue.
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This stuff is like anything. When you are successful and winning 11 games a year, people will overlook it or even make it a positive. When that success stops then it becomes an issue.
Of course. See Spurrier and his work days revolving around his tee time in Florida and then getting criticized in the NFL for not working long hours.
Then again, given the choice, who do you think people would rather work for all else being equal? There is a quote from The Wire that comes to mind: "Marimow does not cast off talent lightly. He heaves it away with great force."
It is always difficult to keep talented assistants, particularly at K-State, but at this point there is just no arguing that the situation is unacceptable. The evidence is overwhelming on a variety of fronts.
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This stuff is like anything. When you are successful and winning 11 games a year, people will overlook it or even make it a positive. When that success stops then it becomes an issue.
Of course. See Spurrier and his work days revolving around his tee time in Florida and then getting criticized in the NFL for not working long hours.
Then again, given the choice, who do you think people would rather work for all else being equal? There is a quote from The Wire that comes to mind: "Marimow does not cast off talent lightly. He heaves it away with great force."
It is always difficult to keep talented assistants, particularly at K-State, but at this point there is just no arguing that the situation is unacceptable. The evidence is overwhelming on a variety of fronts.
Very true. And I don't think you need to work ridiculous hours to win D1 (or any level) football games. Even at K-State.
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This stuff is like anything. When you are successful and winning 11 games a year, people will overlook it or even make it a positive. When that success stops then it becomes an issue.
Of course. See Spurrier and his work days revolving around his tee time in Florida and then getting criticized in the NFL for not working long hours.
Then again, given the choice, who do you think people would rather work for all else being equal? There is a quote from The Wire that comes to mind: "Marimow does not cast off talent lightly. He heaves it away with great force."
It is always difficult to keep talented assistants, particularly at K-State, but at this point there is just no arguing that the situation is unacceptable. The evidence is overwhelming on a variety of fronts.
Very true. And I don't think you need to work ridiculous hours to win D1 (or any level) football games. Even at K-State.
Does Mrs. _FAN know that?
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If LHC Bill Snyder truly cared about K-State more than his own ego, he would have stepped aside after the '98 season and let Bob Stoops take over. I appreciate everything that everyone did for K-State football after 1989, but Snyder is an a$$ and needs to go.
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KState will neverrrr be a consistent top tennnn program, let alone top twenty five. Let's love up to basketball and the Shockers.
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So, Snyder should have left after taking the team within a fumble of the NC game and turned to program over to Stoops? That makes so little sense it's not even funny. How far apart are your eyes?
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If LHC Bill Snyder truly cared about K-State more than his own ego, he would have stepped aside after the '98 season and let Bob Stoops take over. I appreciate everything that everyone did for K-State football after 1989, but Snyder is an a$$ and needs to go.
stepping aside for stoops after 98 is dumb on a million different fronts. i do wish that snyder would've turned his attention to detail on himself and looked into why guys like venables and mangino left and then done something about it. he's amazing at a lot of things, but evaluating himself and the job he does hiring and maintaining a staff apparently is not one of them.
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The miitary has a mandatory retirement age. Maybe we could get Gerald Meyers to explain the virtues of this to Bill, and sorta coax him into the car on the way to the home?
You know exactly what Bill's response will be....he'll trot out Joe Pa Jim Colbertexamples. Jesus, Bill prolly thinks that cause that one guy he knew who smoked lived to 90, that cigs are harmless.
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Everyone expects to work long hours at the D1 level. There's long hours and then there's ridiculous hours that likely are either completely non productive and/or to the point of over thinking everything causing paralysis by analysis.
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When our good assistants jump ship, the average shirt tuck would rather attempt to defend Snyder by making an asinine statement like "He Quit", as an indictment on that person's character...instead of focusing on why that talented assistant quit and why the pattern perpetually repeats itself under Snyder.
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When was the last time he even attracted a talented young assistant coach?
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When was the last time he even attracted a talented young assistant coach?
Bielema in 2001 in the wake of Phil Bennett???
Pretty much all I can think of. Ludwig wasn't really young.
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When was the last time he even attracted a talented young assistant coach?
Bielema in 2001 in the wake of Phil Bennett???
Pretty much all I can think of. Ludwig wasn't really young.
Neither was VK
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Remember Bielema heading to the 'Ville following a KSU loss? Good times.
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This stuff is like anything. When you are successful and winning 11 games a year, people will overlook it or even make it a positive. When that success stops then it becomes an issue.
it's an issue because it drove away the winning. it's the sole reason the success stopped. people (i.e. 'tards) overlook it because it's bill and they have this perception of him that isn't reality at all.
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Not a fan of Bill coming back, but was tard-ish in hoping he would take advantage of the opportunity to reinvent himself. That's apparently not happened much, or otherwise he's having a hard time overcoming perceptions based on staff maneuvers.
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Anybody hear Keitz' interview w/Colbert after last season(?) and Colbert saying that he called Bill about once a week to get him away from some of his mania?
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Not a fan of Bill coming back, but was tard-ish in hoping he would take advantage of the opportunity to reinvent himself. That's apparently not happened much, or otherwise he's having a hard time overcoming perceptions based on staff maneuvers.
note really sure its fair to judge bill 2.0 that way. 1st year back was a late start and this year VK and Lud went before he could reinvent himself. Ironically I think firing someone will go just as far to rehab/remake his image.
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Not a fan of Bill coming back, but was tard-ish in hoping he would take advantage of the opportunity to reinvent himself. That's apparently not happened much, or otherwise he's having a hard time overcoming perceptions based on staff maneuvers.
note really sure its fair to judge bill 2.0 that way. 1st year back was a late start and this year VK and Lud went before he could reinvent himself. Ironically I think firing someone will go just as far to rehab/remake his image.
Bill got a head start compared to most new head coaches in 2009. :dunno:
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jfc. bill's first year back was like any other coach coming into a new job. And actually, it might be earlier. he was "hired" on 11/24. That' was before the regular season was over for most schools. and wtf does "reinvent" himself mean? if anything VK and Ludwig not sticking around only highlights that bill hasn't reinvented himself.
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Anybody hear Keitz' interview w/Colbert after last season(?) and Colbert saying that he called Bill about once a week to get him away from some of his mania?
His mania obviously doesn't involve defense or recruiting.
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Yeah, so did anybody catch Janssen's 12/26 KState Sports article about the itinerary and logistics planning that went into the Pinny Bowl? Interview was with Sean but you can just tell Bill had his mitts all over it, trying to defeat NYC traffic patterns. Would post but am mobile.
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Not a fan of Bill coming back, but was tard-ish in hoping he would take advantage of the opportunity to reinvent himself. That's apparently not happened much, or otherwise he's having a hard time overcoming perceptions based on staff maneuvers.
note really sure its fair to judge bill 2.0 that way. 1st year back was a late start and this year VK and Lud went before he could reinvent himself. Ironically I think firing someone will go just as far to rehab/remake his image.
Bill got a head start compared to most new head coaches in 2009. :dunno:
seemed to me that VK and Lud bailed kinda late in that process?
jfc. bill's first year back was like any other coach coming into a new job. And actually, it might be earlier. he was "hired" on 11/24. That' was before the regular season was over for most schools. and wtf does "reinvent" himself mean? if anything VK and Ludwig not sticking around only highlights that bill hasn't reinvented himself.
part of him coming back was that he was suppose to change his recruiting strategies (target kids before they graduate HS maybe) and the way he manages his staff (i think his rep scared VK off, maybe not actions). I don't know maybe you were busy in high school or weren't a KSU fan back then.
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Not a fan of Bill coming back, but was tard-ish in hoping he would take advantage of the opportunity to reinvent himself. That's apparently not happened much, or otherwise he's having a hard time overcoming perceptions based on staff maneuvers.
note really sure its fair to judge bill 2.0 that way. 1st year back was a late start and this year VK and Lud went before he could reinvent himself. Ironically I think firing someone will go just as far to rehab/remake his image.
Bill got a head start compared to most new head coaches in 2009. :dunno:
seemed to me that VK and Lud bailed kinda late in that process?
yeah. vk bailed really, really late given the fact that he actually stuck around a coached for a whole year you rough ridin' dumbass.
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Bottom line is that CFB is such a 'people job' nowadays and superior athletes will almost always beat over-prepared mediocre ones. I think this a good job in the landscape of things - similar to Texas Tech - but our recent HCs have been varying degrees of being insufferable to work and play for.
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Not a fan of Bill coming back, but was tard-ish in hoping he would take advantage of the opportunity to reinvent himself. That's apparently not happened much, or otherwise he's having a hard time overcoming perceptions based on staff maneuvers.
note really sure its fair to judge bill 2.0 that way. 1st year back was a late start and this year VK and Lud went before he could reinvent himself. Ironically I think firing someone will go just as far to rehab/remake his image.
Bill got a head start compared to most new head coaches in 2009. :dunno:
seemed to me that VK and Lud bailed kinda late in that process?
yeah. vk bailed really, really late given the fact that he actually stuck around a coached for a whole year you rough ridin' dumbass.
don't recall him bitching about the hours when he left. Seems like more of a wife issue and the potential to be locked into Vanier in the future.
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VK is a squirally guy and is not a big difference maker b/c he doesn't recruit. The Ludwig thing screams 'I'm not dealing with this cac' b/c of the lateral to freaking Cal and no-flight-risk reappearance of Dimel, Smith, and Miller.
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VK is a squirally guy and is not a big difference maker b/c he doesn't recruit. The Ludwig thing screams 'I'm not dealing with this cac' b/c of the lateral to freaking Cal and no-flight-risk reappearance of Dimel, Smith, and Miller.
Do we really need to post the defensive numbers that indicate that VK was a difference maker?
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VK is a squirally guy and is not a big difference maker b/c he doesn't recruit. The Ludwig thing screams 'I'm not dealing with this cac' b/c of the lateral to freaking Cal and no-flight-risk reappearance of Dimel, Smith, and Miller.
Do we really need to post the defensive numbers that indicate that VK was a difference maker?
No, that would be giving the initial comment the respect it doesn't deserve.
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The program needs an infusion of talent - on D most of all - so no VK would not be a difference maker even if he stayed. We have enough X and O crumudgeons...and sadly a bunch of coaches who have played for and been in the program for years who can't seem to sell it to players worth a crap.
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So, Snyder should have left after taking the team within a fumble of the NC game and turned to program over to Stoops? That makes so little sense it's not even funny. How far apart are your eyes?
I'm thinking ArchE should be tested for Downs Syndrome, he thinks Snyder should have retired after the 1998 season. Doesn't he know we nearly played for the national championship? Not funny dude.
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So, Snyder should have left after taking the team within a fumble of the NC game and turned to program over to Stoops? That makes so little sense it's not even funny. How far apart are your eyes?
I'm thinking ArchE should be tested for Downs Syndrome, he thinks Snyder should have retired after the 1998 season. Doesn't he know we nearly played for the national championship? Not funny dude.
You do realize that Stoops has won 7 big12 titles at OU. I would gladly take Bob Stoops and 3 Big 12 Titles from 1999 until now compared to the cluster we've experienced with Prince and OB 2.0.
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Not a fan of Bill coming back, but was tard-ish in hoping he would take advantage of the opportunity to reinvent himself. That's apparently not happened much, or otherwise he's having a hard time overcoming perceptions based on staff maneuvers.
note really sure its fair to judge bill 2.0 that way. 1st year back was a late start and this year VK and Lud went before he could reinvent himself. Ironically I think firing someone will go just as far to rehab/remake his image.
Two problems here...
1. Your first statement is flawed in that it assumed the WRSOAT would be more successful with more time. They suck. More time to suck isn't going bring better recruits.
2. Your second statement is completely rough ridin' irrelevant. He's never fired anyone and he never will. We can only hope that Cosh has enough honor to :goodbyecruelworld: for the greater good.
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Not a fan of Bill coming back, but was tard-ish in hoping he would take advantage of the opportunity to reinvent himself. That's apparently not happened much, or otherwise he's having a hard time overcoming perceptions based on staff maneuvers.
note really sure its fair to judge bill 2.0 that way. 1st year back was a late start and this year VK and Lud went before he could reinvent himself. Ironically I think firing someone will go just as far to rehab/remake his image.
Two problems here...
1. Your first statement is flawed in that it assumed the WRSOAT would be more successful with more time. They suck. More time to suck isn't going bring better recruits.
2. Your second statement is completely rough ridin' irrelevant. He's never fired anyone and he never will. We can only hope that Cosh has enough honor to :goodbyecruelworld: for the greater good.
the greater good for chris cosh is to milk this cash cow for all he can, he wil never have a job with this much responsibility again.
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and i fully expect him to do that, milk the cow.
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my nipples are sore
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Not a fan of Bill coming back, but was tard-ish in hoping he would take advantage of the opportunity to reinvent himself. That's apparently not happened much, or otherwise he's having a hard time overcoming perceptions based on staff maneuvers.
note really sure its fair to judge bill 2.0 that way. 1st year back was a late start and this year VK and Lud went before he could reinvent himself. Ironically I think firing someone will go just as far to rehab/remake his image.
Two problems here...
1. Your first statement is flawed in that it assumed the WRSOAT would be more successful with more time. They suck. More time to suck isn't going bring better recruits.
2. Your second statement is completely rough ridin' irrelevant. He's never fired anyone and he never will. We can only hope that Cosh has enough honor to :goodbyecruelworld: for the greater good.
is English your first language? I'm thinking no.
WRSOAT wasn't WRSOAT if we would have been able to retain VK and Lud. To the 2nd he needs to remake his image to secure any legacy, one way to do that would be to fire someone. Obviously something he hasn't done before, just like recruiting a QB before they have graduated high school (exaggeration).
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WRSOAT wasn't WRSOAT if we would have been able to retain VK and Lud.
Hence the entire point of this thread, Snyder's repeating failure to retain quality assistants.
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. . . and the repeated failure to NOT send well compensated, under achieving, in over their heads assistants packing.
But even with new bosses and his somewhat watered down powers, Snyder still has legions of shirt tucks who have been using the "what ever Coach does is fine by me" mantra as a battering ram against all detractors for over a decade now. Even though it has been shown time and time again that "whatever coach does" is not always in the best long term interest of K-State football.
As I've said before we also paying a price on other fronts, and will pay a price financially to correct some facilities issues that could have been easily remedied years ago had Snyder not been such a pain in the ass to deal with . . . things that Snyder himself wants changed now. But that's the problem when you give a football coach nearly limitless powers as the previous dumbass administration did. Now those needed things have to go back in line because Football got millions of dollars in facilities improvements done just the way Snyder wanted them, and they're not going to spend millions more now undoing what Snyder wanted, but now doesn't like; it's going to have to wait. This is just one example.
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If Dickey is considered one of our more valued coaches right now, OL jobs are open at Cal (under Lud), 'Zona (alma mater and has coached there), and Utah (his old job). Something to keep an eye on.
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If Dickey is considered one of our more valued coaches right now, OL jobs are open at Cal (under Lud), 'Zona (alma mater and has coached there), and Utah (his old job). Something to keep an eye on.
He is good as gone with that list.
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dax you've mentioned that facilities issue before. can you give us some more details please. I'm assuming indoor practice facility stuff.
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If Time Weiser was to be believed, Snyder was offered essentially an entirely new Vanier Complex back in the early 00's and he didn't want it. Didn't want to deal with the hassle of putting the football program in temp facilities even if it meant moving back into a Vanier complex that had been gutted from top to bottom, and completely over hauled from a layout perspective. Instead, what happened was a whole series of renovations to various parts of the facility that were all done one or two areas at a time. All that did was create was a series of nice rooms/areas of various forms and functions cobbled together in a rat maze. Now, he complains about how Vanier isn't that efficent for moving around large groups of football players. The thing is, all those renovations, once you add them all up totaled over $10 million dollars. So now some of the stuff that Snyder wants gets to move to the back of the line.
He also wants a new practice complex built across the street from Vanier. They're looking at doing a whole bunch of stuff that will go along as future phases to the West Stadium project, but completely overhauling Vanier as in gutting and completely rebuilding is out there on the backside of the time table now. They aren't going to go in and tear up stuff that they just spent millions of dollars on.
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If Time Weiser was to be believed, Snyder was offered essentially an entirely new Vanier Complex back in the early 00's and he didn't want it. Didn't want to deal with the hassle of putting the football program in temp facilities even if it meant moving back into a Vanier complex that had been gutted from top to bottom, and completely over hauled from a layout perspective. Instead, what happened was a whole series of renovations to various parts of the facility that were all done one or two areas at a time. All that did was create was a series of nice rooms/areas of various forms and functions cobbled together in a rat maze. Now, he complains about how Vanier isn't that efficent for moving around large groups of football players. The thing is, all those renovations, once you add them all up totaled over $10 million dollars. So now some of the stuff that Snyder wants gets to move to the back of the line.
He also wants a new practice complex built across the street from Vanier. They're looking at doing a whole bunch of stuff that will go along as future phases to the West Stadium project, but completely overhauling Vanier as in gutting and completely rebuilding is out there on the backside of the time table now. They aren't going to go in and tear up stuff that they just spent millions of dollars on.
kstate should put all sorts of really nice big timey things in that lot just north of bsfs. restaurants, bars, probably a quick trip.
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bobby t's? with a skywalk to bramlage? a skywalk decorated with mhs class photos?
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bobby t's? with a skywalk to bramlage? a skywalk decorated with mhs class photos (tate only)?
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bobby t's? with a skywalk to bramlage? a skywalk decorated with mhs class photos (tate only)?
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no, scrotum face. it's a townie traverse. for all townies.
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bobby t's? with a skywalk to bramlage? a skywalk decorated with mhs class photos (tate only)?
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no, scrotum face. it's a townie traverse. for all townies.
sheep lot will never be the same
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