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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: sys on February 14, 2010, 08:26:51 AM
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wtf, dude? you alec burks recruiting fable on gpc is complete bullshit. none of that ever happened.
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LOL @ yosh saying he isn't better than any of our current freshmen. :lol:
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But really, I blame bz more than I blame cnscasey. Bz has tricked everyone into thinking he "discovered" Burks in an empty gym when he was a 6-0 sophomore.
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no, you have to blame casey. 1) because he invented details that bzey never had the balls to try and float to the media, and 2) because people only believe these kinds of no data fables when it's something they want to believe. for some reason, a lot of people either want to believe that bzey is some sort of no-air conditioner gym scouring, talent scouting, bball genius; or that no kc area recruit would choose bottom feeding cu over top 4 finishing ksu (not sure which of these groups casey falls in).
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what's truly amazing, is it takes like a 3 minute trip to Burks' Rivals profile to completely debunk everything he said.
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would love a recap of the thread. tia.
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what's truly amazing, is it takes like a 3 minute trip to Burks' Rivals profile to completely debunk everything he said.
yeah.
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would love a recap of the thread. tia.
gpc poster asks how alec burks went to cu. various posters either don't know or post short notes about how he came down to kstate & cu. cns casey posts this:
CU was on him when he was 16. We came on late. He had already been verbally comitted to CU for something like 1.5 yrs before we showed interest. Kid was outside looking in on all talent camps. CU found him at some "secondary" camp that gets all the kids that don't get invites to the elite camps. Good find early by CU. We just showed late. Too bad too. Would have been great here.
a yosh sock posts that he doesn't think burks would get minutes at kstate anyways. some other guy lauds burks for maintaining his early cu commitment in the face of the tempting late offer from kstate. thead over, for now.
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always loved yosh's posts when i was on there. like a poor man's royalswild.
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Not my sock over there...diodn't post there.
And lol at some non name football poster calling me a poor man's anything. I'm rough ridin' Yosh. Think about that...
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some other guy lauds burks for maintaining his early cu commitment in the face of the tempting late offer from kstate. thead over, for now.
wonder if ryan boatright will maintain his early commitment to tim floyd and USC
prolly not
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cns casey bump
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You guys stalking me?
I actually was relaying that little yarn from an interview I heard with the CU beat writer on the radio several weeks ago.
Figured he would know.
So if that dude is wrong, what is right?
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You guys stalking me?
I actually was relaying that little yarn from an interview I heard with the CU beat writer on the radio several weeks ago.
Figured he would know.
So if that dude is wrong, what is right?
I love the relaying, FWIW.
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Profiles are wrong more often than they are right, it seems. Can't say trusting a story from a beat writer is worse than trusting some profile. Writers are the folks who update them.
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Also, the writer noted that it wasn't BZ who discovered him. He said it was an assistant who turned BZ on to the kid.
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Also, the writer noted that it wasn't BZ who discovered him. He said it was an assistant who turned BZ on to the kid.
you seem to remember a lot about this little yarn.
who was the beat writer? who was the assistant? what radio station and what show did you hear it on?
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Don't remember the names. Not real good with names of folks that I don't expect to care about.
It was on 810 some time around our first game with CU.
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I may be guilty of taking some folks on at face value, but I don't have any reason to make crap up, if that is what you are getting at.
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I agree with the thesis of this thread. CNS Casey is a total jackass.
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Profiles are wrong more often than they are right, it seems. Can't say trusting a story from a beat writer is worse than trusting some profile. Writers are the folks who update them.
the gpc recruiting update from the 2008 kstate elite camp (6-10-2008) contains verifiable info that falsifies parts of the cu asst's spin. like the fact that he attended the 2008 kstate elite camp. it contains additional info, that may not quite be verifiable, but is pretty reliable (i.e. direct quotes from burks) that falsifies other parts of the story. stuff like him saying he has no offers, not even mentioning cu among the list of schools recruiting him, and talking about his plans to attend other elite camps.
some of the other updates, and news from other sources, fleshes out the story, but really that one update completely disproves the cu story.
if you'd have credited your misinfo in your original post, i would have attacked the unknown asst, rather than you.
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I bet the unknown buff assistant is reading this right now loling his ass off at how bad he played cns 'sey.
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Fair enough.
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Pretty much what CNS Casey said is correct from what I heard.
Friday on Border Patrol on 810 they interviewed a CU announcer. That CU announcer pretty much stated what CNS Casey stated.
I didn't recall him mentioning the assistant part but everything else was for the most part the same.
He did say it came down to CU and KState but kept his loyalty to CU because of the early offer.
The tone of the comment made it sound like we could have had him had we been in on him early.
It was nice listening to it with a new perspective. In the Tan Tom / Wooly eras I would have been pissed feeling we missed out on a guy.
With Coach's ability to recruit I just felt like oh well we missed a guy but we have a Shane Southwell coming in plus our Freshmen still to groom.
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Pretty much what CNS Casey said is correct from what I heard.
Friday on Border Patrol on 810 they interviewed a CU announcer. That CU announcer pretty much stated what CNS Casey stated.
I didn't recall him mentioning the assistant part but everything else was for the most part the same.
He did say it came down to CU and KState but kept his loyalty to CU because of the early offer.
The tone of the comment made it sound like we could have had him had we been in on him early.
It was nice listening to it with a new perspective. In the Tan Tom / Wooly eras I would have been pissed feeling we missed out on a guy.
With Coach's ability to recruit I just felt like oh well we missed a guy but we have a Shane Southwell coming in plus our Freshmen still to groom.
fair enough. i'm apparently going to be in ft lauderdale beach area this sat. what are my game options?
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Not sure right now but will get Ft. Lauderdale added to channel guide so at least you will have that.
Actually Working on the channel guide right now for the Nebraska game.
If you find a good bar or restaurant that is ksu friendly while you're down there let me know and I can get it added.
Of course you can always add it as well. Either way let me know.
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Not sure right now but will get Ft. Lauderdale added to channel guide so at least you will have that.
Actually Working on the channel guide right now for the Nebraska game.
If you find a good bar or restaurant that is ksu friendly while you're down there let me know and I can get it added.
Of course you can always add it as well. Either way let me know.
sure enough pcatvis. this is what i know. there is a hooters around where i will will be. it's prob around the s 200 beach blvd area. i'm guessing they will have it. since the game will be fairly early and on espnu then i guess it won't be horrible but i'd really like to know if the game will be on at any of the jamaican restaurants just north of ft lauderdale in lauderhill.
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I f*cking hate bz and his band of idiots. He just seems like an uber-douchebag who makes up bullsh*t stories and always has acts like it isn't his fault when he gets his ass kicked. f*ck you, bz.
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Burks visited K-State before he visited Colorado. K-State offered him, he took an official visit. Frank said he spent more than 1/2 a day in Burks' home in Missouri visiting with his family. Colorado got in on him late. Burks' mom wanted him to go to K-State to stay closer to home, but Burks went ahead and visited Colorado. He loved the town and the university and that's the story.
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He chose Boulder over Manhattan? Impossible.
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Burks visited K-State before he visited Colorado. K-State offered him, he took an official visit. Frank said he spent more than 1/2 a day in Burks' home in Missouri visiting with his family. Colorado got in on him late. Burks' mom wanted him to go to K-State to stay closer to home, but Burks went ahead and visited Colorado. He loved the town and the university and that's the story.
so there are 2 stories for the same situation? :confused:
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You would think BzDalecheck would be better served playing the "I out recruited K-State" card instead of the "I found a super amazing volleyball player from the Ivory Coast that nobody else knew about" card.
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You would think BzDalecheck would be better served playing the "I out recruited K-State" card instead of the "I found a super amazing volleyball player from the Ivory Coast that nobody else knew about" card.
See his inability to give anyone but himself any credit for anything. To imply he beat out KSU implies KSU deserves credit for being someone he should be proud of beating. His story is much more self-serving.
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it's the same old dog and pony show out of BzDaleCheck, the guy is a habitual liar. i watch his coach's show every week and can spot at least 3 blatent lies every episode. the set is nice though.
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Burks visited K-State before he visited Colorado. K-State offered him, he took an official visit. Frank said he spent more than 1/2 a day in Burks' home in Missouri visiting with his family. Colorado got in on him late. Burks' mom wanted him to go to K-State to stay closer to home, but Burks went ahead and visited Colorado. He loved the town and the university and that's the story.
so there are 2 stories for the same situation? :confused:
The fact that K-State offered him and did a in-home visit is what coach Martin said. And Burks said out in Boulder the weekend of the K-State game that he was set to go to K-State and that his mom wanted him to be close to home but he chose Colorado after visiting there.
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WTF. Why did she sign his LOI?
Why when we get a mom on our side is she not the crazy controlling type? :angry:
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Hmmm, CNSCasey vindicated, or sloppy journalism?
Burks committed to Colorado as a junior, and then his high school and future college teams got a bonus. He grew to 6-6 as a Grandview senior, and everything changed.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1758659.html
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Hmmm, CNSCasey vindicated, or sloppy journalism?
Burks committed to Colorado as a junior, and then his high school and future college teams got a bonus. He grew to 6-6 as a Grandview senior, and everything changed.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1758659.html
unbelievable. sam mellinger, hold this 'tard colleague of yours accountable.
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Hmmm, CNSCasey vindicated, or sloppy journalism?
Burks committed to Colorado as a junior, and then his high school and future college teams got a bonus. He grew to 6-6 as a Grandview senior, and everything changed.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1758659.html
unbelievable. sam mellinger, hold this 'tard colleague of yours accountable.
This article has some diff info from the radio interview, in that Blair's article says that Bzey said he was scouting other players and noticed Burks. The radio interview I mention above, stated that an assistant found Burks and turned Bz on to him and Bz first saw him at a camp in Wyoming.
It all sounds like shades of bullshit.
Although, Blair's article does have a quote from Burkes saying that CU started following him his Soph year.
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Although, Blair's article does have a quote from Burkes saying that CU started following him his Soph year.
what does 'follow' mean? got a letter? was no else 'following' him that year?
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Although, Blair's article does have a quote from Burkes saying that CU started following him his Soph year.
what does 'follow' mean? got a letter? was no else 'following' him that year?
Read Blair's article in the link rather than examining my wording:
"That was after Burks’ sophomore season at Grandview, and it’s also when Colorado started paying attention.
Buffaloes coach Jeff Bzdelik was scouting other players when he found himself at a summer camp in Leavenworth that Burks attended.
Crazy because nobody else, at least from a major conference, had taken notice. But the Buffaloes’ efforts started immediately.
“They saw me then, and I guess they felt like I could do something,” Burks said
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Read Blair's article in the link rather than examining my wording:
no. summarize better plz. tia
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Read Blair's article in the link rather than examining my wording:
no. summarize better plz. tia
the cu coaches went to some of his practices, according to the article. part of that statement is a quote from burks' hs coach, so presumably it's true.
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the cu coaches went to some of his practices, according to the article. part of that statement is a quote from burks' hs coach, so presumably it's true.
thanks sys
Burks committed to Colorado as a junior, ...
June 10, 2008 <- summer after Junior year
While Burks is still waiting for his first scholarship offer, several schools in addition to K-State have show interest ...
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=815937
:dunno:
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KCPREPHOOPS
@RussellJelinek Are you asking about Burks? He committed late, senior year
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i demand that we get to the bottom of this. i want a lie detector test on burks. i want one on bzzdellick. i want one on highschool coach and kchoops.
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Time to come home Burks? :dunno:
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Actually, the timeline sounds somewhat consitant.
Burks and CU agree that CU was recruiting Burks as of the summer after his soph year. The earlier report I heard on the radio(that started this thread) stated the same but that he didn't sign with them until his sr year. Kchoops seems said the same re: Burks signing. It did look like Kchoops addressed when the recruiting of Burks began, only when he signed. Seems like all this(three sources) can agree.
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"was recruiting" is very vague though
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Actually, the timeline sounds somewhat consitant.
Burks and CU agree that CU was recruiting Burks as of the summer after his soph year. The earlier report I heard on the radio(that started this thread) stated the same but that he didn't sign with them until his sr year. Kchoops seems said the same re: Burks signing. It did look like Kchoops addressed when the recruiting of Burks began, only when he signed. Seems like all this(three sources) can agree.
No one can sign until they're a senior. The article (and your original post) said he committed as a junior (you said he was committed for a year an a half). KCPrepHoops and rivals and scout have all refuted that.
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rivals also indicates that cu didn't even offer until somtime after july 2008. kcprephoops also tweeted something abut how the mokan coaches were shopping him all though the summer of 2008 and couldn't get high majors to listen.