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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: dietpepsi on November 24, 2010, 12:09:24 AM
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Could someone tell me why Jake played so bad? Like for real.
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:star::star::star: vs. :star::star::star::star::star:
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Nolan is in his head.
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Duke is really rough ridin' good :dunno:
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:star: :star: :star: vs. :star: :star: :star::star: :star:
This. Speed vs. Less Speed. End of story.
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Good pressure, similar to Butler and shots didn't fall initially so he shut down.
On his defensive play I agree with rusty.
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1. He's just not as good as Irving.
2. Just played a game yesterday.
3. Frank played him too many minutes and he loafed around because he was tired.
4. Off night shooting.
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:star: :star: :star: vs. :star: :star: :star::star: :star:
This. Speed vs. Less Speed. End of story.
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Irving's faster, quicker. But really can't explain why his handles were so off-the-charts bad tonight. Head wasn't in the game.
Explain to me why Asprilla can't finish at the rim.
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remember when some people were worried about Jake leaving early last year. lol
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Didn't adjust his defense to force the kid who wants to drive to shoot the ball. That's it.
Oh and he played like a little bitch.
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:star::star::star: vs. :star::star::star::star::star:
Nailed it.
This is why Irving will play in the NBA, and Jake will be playing in Europe after having a cup of coffee in the league.
I think Jake's a great college player, but he's an off-guard. Irving was just on another level, and it showed.
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Didn't adjust his defense to force the kid who wants to drive to shoot the ball. That's it.
Oh and he played like a little bitch.
Frank wants him to pressure, so that's what he tried to do. He's simply not fast enough to keep perhaps the fastest pg in America in front of him. End of story.
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remember when some people were worried about Jake leaving early last year. lol
Of course. His stock was much better after last season than it will be after this one imo.
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:star: :star: :star: vs. :star: :star: :star::star: :star:
This. Speed vs. Less Speed. End of story.
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Duke's players were impressively quicker than K-State's, more coordinated, and played smarter.
Led to a lot of forced and unforced turnovers and poor defense.
Pretty simple, really.
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Didn't adjust his defense to force the kid who wants to drive to shoot the ball. That's it.
Oh and he played like a little bitch.
Frank wants him to pressure, so that's what he tried to do. He's simply not fast enough to keep perhaps the fastest pg in America in front of him. End of story.
I know what Frank wants him to do, and tonight it was a poor strategy. The kid showed no desire to shoot or rack up assists. Make him shoot it or pass it.
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Frank wants him to pressure, so that's what he tried to do. He's simply not fast enough to keep perhaps the fastest pg in America in front of him. End of story.
Really shouldn't have been asked to. But that's Frank and Huggins before him.
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Great point on the pressure being Frank's gameplanning. It is times like this where Frank needs to be a little more flexible, it cost us this game in more ways than one.
1. It was obviously a losing proposition.
2. It really looked like it demoralized Jake.
The game might have been vastly different if Frank had told Jake to sag a bit and force Irving to shoot the J or pass. I think he would have had more confidence on offense and we wouldn't have suffered so much on their drives.
K did a brilliant job of creating driving lanes by spreading the Duke players out all over the floor.
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Didn't adjust his defense to force the kid who wants to drive to shoot the ball. That's it.
Oh and he played like a little bitch.
Frank wants him to pressure, so that's what he tried to do. He's simply not fast enough to keep perhaps the fastest pg in America in front of him. End of story.
I know what Frank wants him to do, and tonight it was a poor strategy.
I agree. Frank's stubborn and he's gonna do what he wants to do, though.
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Duke=well coached,disciplined,spradling like brains, 5 star athletes
it's a decent strategy for national championships and the like.
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Honestly, Frank fed Jake to the dogs tonight.
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Honestly, Frank fed Jake to the dogs tonight.
Intentional?
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Honestly, Frank fed Jake to the dogs tonight.
Intentional?
Would be an awesome talking point. Frank had a master plan to make Jake pressure a clearly faster opponent to show him he's not as good as he thinks he is and motivate him to reach a higher level never before possible.
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Honestly, Frank fed Jake to the dogs tonight.
Intentional?
Would be an awesome talking point. Frank had a master plan to put Jake on a clearly faster opponent to show him he's not as good as he thinks he is and motivate him to reach a higher level never before possible.
More likely he's just really rough ridin' stubborn.
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This
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Oh, he's definitely just really rough ridin' stubborn.
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Honestly, Frank fed Jake to the dogs tonight.
Intentional?
Would be an awesome talking point. Frank had a master plan to put Jake on a clearly faster opponent to show him he's not as good as he thinks he is and motivate him to reach a higher level never before possible.
More likely he's just really rough ridin' stubborn.
Really would like to see local journalists call Frank out on this type of thing. I'm sure none of them will ask the tough questions though.
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It's going to win him a lot more games than it losses him because you can count the number of point guards way faster/stronger than Jake on one hand. Of course, you tend to see them late in the tournament.
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:star: :star: :star: vs. :star: :star: :star::star: :star:
This. Speed vs. Less Speed. End of story.
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You're wrong. Our help D was atrocious. Also, whatever happened to "pick up ball" in transition? We let that pussy aau us to death tonight. WEAK
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It's going to win him a lot more games than it losses him because you can count the number of point guards way faster/stronger than Jake on one hand. Of course, you tend to see them late in the tournament.
Good post. That's all true. It's these kind of games that it can bite us in the ass.
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Honestly, Frank fed Jake to the dogs tonight.
Intentional?
Would be an awesome talking point. Frank had a master plan to make Jake pressure a clearly faster opponent to show him he's not as good as he thinks he is and motivate him to reach a higher level never before possible.
:lol:
Good thought. "Frank threw away our shot at #1 Duke to teach Jake a lifelong lesson." Riot.
Yeah. That's why it was a joke.
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wish we had two gears, one for tard teams that we can just bully around, and then that second gear that we would go into against teams with more talent that are smart and crap,
not sure what we would do against them but definitely not the pressure, deny, help late, foul thing.
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It's going to win him a lot more games than it losses him because you can count the number of point guards way faster/stronger than Jake on one hand. Of course, you tend to see them late in the tournament.
We're going to see one at least twice this season, and possibly a third time in Kansas City.
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Didn't want to forget to give rusty a shoutout. You pretty much nailed it. That and Frank thinking it was a smart move to have Jake pressure Irving all night hurt as well.
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wish we had two gears, one for tard teams that we can just bully around, and then that second gear that we would go into against teams with more talent that are smart and crap,
not sure what we would do against them but definitely not the pressure, deny, help late, foul thing.
Yep. Thought the same thing, basically, during the game. Would be nice.
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Pullen couldn't hit crap. His Defense was horrible, other couldn't give good help D. Coach K mind mumped the crap outta everyone.
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:star: :star: :star: vs. :star: :star: :star::star: :star:
This. Speed vs. Less Speed. End of story.
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You're wrong. Our help D was atrocious. Also, whatever happened to "pick up ball" in transition? We let that pussy aau us to death tonight. WEAK
I pretty much agree with everything you said. I don't think Pullen's D was all that horrible - it was just obvious he was guarding a guy that was clearly out of his league talent-wise. I agree that help D was especially bad when Irving drove - definitely worse than Pullen's defense.
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not helping pullen was the strategy. they didn't even attempt to. rationale is that a contested shot by irving is better than an uncontested shot by whoever he passes to.
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not helping pullen was the strategy. they didn't even attempt to. rationale is that a contested shot by irving is better than an uncontested shot by whoever he passes to.
Martin and the staff were of the belief that Pullen would be able to stay side-by-side with Irving?
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Can't wait till Jake matches up with Selby.
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Would Sutton have been of any help to us last night..?
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not helping pullen was the strategy. they didn't even attempt to. rationale is that a contested shot by irving is better than an uncontested shot by whoever he passes to.
Martin and the staff were of the belief that Pullen would be able to stay side-by-side with Irving?
he was really good at d last year. and it's not like irving was making uncontested layups. he was making phenominal plays.
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Would Sutton have been of any help to us last night..?
yep. sutton would've been raining so many threes that krsyski would've had to put on a poncho at 1/2 time. wouldn't be surprised if the old ball coach was behind the whole dom transfer stuff personally.
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Would Sutton have been of any help to us last night..?
yep. sutton would've been raining so many threes that krsyski would've had to put on a poncho at 1/2 time. wouldn't be surprised if the old ball coach was behind the whole dom transfer stuff personally.
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not helping pullen was the strategy. they didn't even attempt to. rationale is that a contested shot by irving is better than an uncontested shot by whoever he passes to.
Martin and the staff were of the belief that Pullen would be able to stay side-by-side with Irving?
he was really good at d last year. and it's not like irving was making uncontested layups. he was making phenominal plays.
I think we knew going in that Irving was extremely fast and talented, but we didn't think he could consistently make the plays he made tonight. Its hard to help b/c Duke spreads their offense out so much and still runs it well, something most college teams simply can't do. But I really think our plan hinged on Irving making mistakes and not finishing nearly as often as he did when he did get by Pullen, which we knew he would. And IMO Pullen getting shown up over and over by this kid was step one in frustrating him, long before missed shots did.
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recall that pullen started on smith. he wasn't shifted to irving until irving made russell look like a some 3 star with an offer from iowa.
and unranked, undersized marquette extended on d at least as aggressively as kstate and forced duke into 20+ turnovers and had a tie game with like 10 minutes left.
things to keep in mind for the black helicopter pullen lessoners and martin is stubbornites.
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recall that pullen started on smith. he wasn't shifted to irving until irving made russell look like a some 3 star with an offer from iowa.
and unranked, undersized marquette extended on d at least as aggressively as kstate and forced duke into 20+ turnovers and had a tie game with like 10 minutes left.
things to keep in mind for the black helicopter pullen lessoners and martin is stubbornites.
Duke played really well. I'd almost say they brought their "A" game.
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since this thread is titled hbbiq, i'll share what i do after games like this. i look at what percentage each team shot from "3" and then i switch them and come up with a new final score. boom. kstate just won. duke doesn't look so hot now, do they?
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he's short
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I kept staring at his amazing headgear.