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Title: How about Sprads
Post by: Acceleration Man on November 16, 2010, 03:40:41 PM
With 3, count them THREE charges taken, before the under 8 timeout in the 1st half. I'm telling you, I like this kid.  :users:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: AbeFroman on November 16, 2010, 03:43:54 PM
Thankfully the refs are  :opcat: , one of Sprads charges neither foot was planted.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Acceleration Man on November 16, 2010, 03:50:23 PM
That's true, however the Tech player basically ran right through him, so he got the charge. Many times that will be a no-call. Fun game to watch, anyhow.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 16, 2010, 04:07:18 PM
Thankfully the refs are  :opcat: , one of Sprads charges neither foot was planted.

hey every high school dad ever, that doesn't matter.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: cas4ksu on November 16, 2010, 04:44:27 PM
updates on his shoulder hernia?
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: SleepFighter on November 16, 2010, 04:54:23 PM
updates on his shoulder hernia?

Cocky white kids play through mere shoulder hernias.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: cas4ksu on November 16, 2010, 05:48:17 PM
updates on his shoulder hernia?

Cocky white kids play through mere shoulder hernias.

He's gritty.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: GoodForAnother on November 16, 2010, 05:50:09 PM
a real yes sir no sir kid
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: doom on November 17, 2010, 01:45:07 AM
Thankfully the refs are  :opcat: , one of Sprads charges neither foot was planted.

After watching Cole get away with murder due to being white for years I'm okay with this.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: ednksu on November 17, 2010, 02:58:15 AM
Thankfully the refs are  :opcat: , one of Sprads charges neither foot was planted.
lbbiq
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Pete on November 17, 2010, 05:19:10 AM
Sprads is meeting my expectations, and I bet he exceeds them.  I feel like quite a few of you owe me an appology about Sprads.  Those are my feelings, and I am entitled to them.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Pete on November 17, 2010, 05:26:41 AM
...and another thing...

I've hated most white players since 1996.

Watching Swatzendruber get absolutely owned (biannually) by Jeff Boshee caused me hate Swartzendruber because he was a less athletic white player getting abused, and simultaneously hate Boshee because he was a white player inexplicably abusing our guards. 


Sprads may just change that....
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: doom on November 17, 2010, 09:23:56 AM
Sprads is meeting my expectations, and I bet he exceeds them.  I feel like quite a few of you owe me an appology about Sprads.  Those are my feelings, and I am entitled to them.

Gottlieb noticing the racism:

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Jeff Allen's intentional foul in the first half on Tuesday seemed to adversely affect the officials, who over officiated and called charge after charge despite the fact that Will Spradling rarely had his feet set. (The charge on Erick Green was an embarrassing mistake by the official.)

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/college-hoops-tip-off-marathon (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/college-hoops-tip-off-marathon)
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: KITNfury on November 17, 2010, 09:59:21 AM
Sprads is meeting my expectations, and I bet he exceeds them.  I feel like quite a few of you owe me an appology about Sprads.  Those are my feelings, and I am entitled to them.

Gottlieb noticing the racism:

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Jeff Allen's intentional foul in the first half on Tuesday seemed to adversely affect the officials, who over officiated and called charge after charge despite the fact that Will Spradling rarely had his feet set. (The charge on Erick Green was an embarrassing mistake by the official.)

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/college-hoops-tip-off-marathon (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/college-hoops-tip-off-marathon)
You would think Gotts would know that having your "feet set" has absolutely zero to do with taking a charge.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: doom on November 17, 2010, 10:21:36 AM
Sprads is meeting my expectations, and I bet he exceeds them.  I feel like quite a few of you owe me an appology about Sprads.  Those are my feelings, and I am entitled to them.

Gottlieb noticing the racism:

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Jeff Allen's intentional foul in the first half on Tuesday seemed to adversely affect the officials, who over officiated and called charge after charge despite the fact that Will Spradling rarely had his feet set. (The charge on Erick Green was an embarrassing mistake by the official.)

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/college-hoops-tip-off-marathon (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/college-hoops-tip-off-marathon)
You would think Gotts would know that having your "feet set" has absolutely zero to do with taking a charge.

For the foul in question Will was clearly sliding into the other player's path.  Bravo, since it worked, but a terrible call. 
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: blowthewhistle on November 17, 2010, 11:07:00 AM
At least sprads is able to get the  :opcat: alums up off their feet...
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Ira Hayes on November 17, 2010, 11:09:39 AM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: steve dave on November 17, 2010, 11:11:01 AM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:

a JYC assist is when you clank one off the rim/backboard and we board it and either put it back or get fouled.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Skipper44 on November 17, 2010, 11:20:10 AM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:

a JYC assist is when you clank one off the rim/backboard and we board it and either put it back or get fouled.

Also, no turnovers   :love: 
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Ira Hayes on November 17, 2010, 11:53:51 AM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:

a JYC assist is when you clank one off the rim/backboard and we board it and either put it back or get fouled.

Also, no turnovers   :love: 

Did a great job of eating minutes and not screwing up until we could get Pullen back, which is nice.  But it's not anything to get too excited about.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: steve dave on November 17, 2010, 11:55:52 AM
his assist/to ratio is infinity/0
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kougar24 on November 17, 2010, 12:00:38 PM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:

a JYC assist is when you clank one off the rim/backboard and we board it and either put it back or get fouled.

QFT. I counted 8 JYCAs from Spaulding yesterday!
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: EllToPay on November 17, 2010, 12:02:45 PM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:

a JYC assist is when you clank one off the rim/backboard and we board it and either put it back or get fouled.

Also, no turnovers   :love: 

Did a great job of eating minutes and not screwing up until we could get Pullen back, which is nice.  But it's not anything to get too excited about.

having a white, true freshman not look like a rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) out there is something i'm getting excited about. :ck:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: KITNfury on November 17, 2010, 12:03:27 PM
Sprads is meeting my expectations, and I bet he exceeds them.  I feel like quite a few of you owe me an appology about Sprads.  Those are my feelings, and I am entitled to them.

Gottlieb noticing the racism:

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Jeff Allen's intentional foul in the first half on Tuesday seemed to adversely affect the officials, who over officiated and called charge after charge despite the fact that Will Spradling rarely had his feet set. (The charge on Erick Green was an embarrassing mistake by the official.)

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/college-hoops-tip-off-marathon (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/college-hoops-tip-off-marathon)
You would think Gotts would know that having your "feet set" has absolutely zero to do with taking a charge.

For the foul in question Will was clearly sliding into the other player's path.  Bravo, since it worked, but a terrible call. 
But stating so because "his feet weren't set" makes you sound stupid.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Sugar Dick on November 17, 2010, 12:10:47 PM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:

This continues to prove my point that the statistic assist is as useless (if not more useless) than the statistic "error" in MLB.  The other SD is dead on in his analysis re: offensive boards.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Ira Hayes on November 17, 2010, 12:17:27 PM
If SD was right, Dom would be our PG this year.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kitten_mittons on November 17, 2010, 12:24:29 PM
If SD was right, Dom would be our PG this year.

Dom air balled too many.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: skycat on November 17, 2010, 12:32:57 PM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:

a JYC assist is when you clank one off the rim/backboard and we board it and either put it back or get fouled.

QFT. I counted 8 JYCAs from Spaulding yesterday!

Dummy. It's spelled Sprauldiling. Get it right!
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: EMAWzified on November 17, 2010, 12:33:23 PM
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his assist/to ratio is infinity/0
To be fair, the team shot like .25 the first half when he got most of his minutes. Of course, that could be a sign he isn't effective running the offense.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Underdog Wildcat on November 17, 2010, 12:42:33 PM
Solid, steady, mistake free. Basically everything you don't expect from a FR in the 2nd game of his career against a veteran, physical Top 25 team.

As others have alluded to, the offensive creativity isn't there (yet?) but he's shaping up nicely to be a" take care of the ball, take what the defense gives you" backup PG this year.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kitten_mittons on November 17, 2010, 12:43:59 PM
Solid, steady, mistake free. Basically everything you don't expect from a FR in the 2nd game of his career against a veteran, physical Top 25 team.

As others have alluded to, the offensive creativity isn't there (yet?) but he's shaping up nicely to be a" take care of the ball, take what the defense gives you" backup PG this year.

That one he went coast to coast on was pretty nifty, though.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Underdog Wildcat on November 17, 2010, 12:56:23 PM
It WAS nifty, filing that one under "take what the defense gives you", he attacked across half court, nobody picked him up, he did a great job of recognizing that, attacked into the lane and had a good(tougher than it looks) finish with the finger roll. Good job Sprads  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: doom on November 17, 2010, 01:15:03 PM
Solid, steady, mistake free. Basically everything you don't expect from a FR in the 2nd game of his career against a veteran, physical Top 25 team.

As others have alluded to, the offensive creativity isn't there (yet?) but he's shaping up nicely to be a" take care of the ball, take what the defense gives you" backup PG this year.

That one he went coast to coast on was pretty nifty, though.

I almost crapped my pants after that.  The kid literally did not rattle and then took control when we needed it.  Sure he didn't even score in double figures, but those were some solid minutes from someone I didn't even expect to log minutes this early.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: mcmwcat on November 17, 2010, 01:33:32 PM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:

This continues to prove my point that the statistic assist is as useless (if not more useless) than the statistic "error" in MLB.  The other SD is dead on in his analysis re: offensive boards.

especially for the point guard position  :lol:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 17, 2010, 01:57:15 PM

Did a great job of eating minutes and not screwing up until we could get Pullen back, which is nice.  But it's not anything to get too excited about.


Spradling's performance was impressive.  No question about it.  I guess I wasn't necessarily excited or ready to compare him to Havlicek, but that dude deserves some credit. 
-played great defense.  aside from the charges, two of which were legit, he played very solid defense.  He's quicker than I anticpiated and moves well laterally.  He was consistently guarding senior, experienced guards.  At times, he was guarding one of the best guards in the ACC.  And with few exceptions, he held his own. 
-played good offense.  he may not have Jason  Kidd out there, but it's obvious he handles the ball exceptionally well (zero turnovers), he gets the ball up and down the court quickly, and he distributes the ball evenly, smoothly.  i.e. doesn't pick up the ball at the top of the key and wait for the wings to pop open.  That may not impress you, but to me, it is very positive that this true freshman handles the ball well, is smart with the ball, and doesn't turn it over. 
-intangibles.  I think it's very impressive that the dude did all of the foregoing things on a National stage, in the most high profile non-con home game in our school's history, against an ACC team loaded with seniors. 

 :bball: 
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: mcmwcat on November 17, 2010, 01:59:27 PM
Sprualding's performance only goes to show recruiting rankings and stars don't mean anything and we have nothing to worry in recruiting  :driving:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Bill Clarahan on November 17, 2010, 02:04:10 PM
Sprads is meeting my expectations, and I bet he exceeds them.  I feel like quite a few of you owe me an appology about Sprads.  Those are my feelings, and I am entitled to them.

Gottlieb noticing the racism:

Quote
Jeff Allen's intentional foul in the first half on Tuesday seemed to adversely affect the officials, who over officiated and called charge after charge despite the fact that Will Spradling rarely had his feet set. (The charge on Erick Green was an embarrassing mistake by the official.)

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/college-hoops-tip-off-marathon (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/college-hoops-tip-off-marathon)


I don't remember being embarassed by the call, how bout you guise? :dunno:

Also do you think Will is a relative of , Judge Smails
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 17, 2010, 02:05:07 PM
saw this posted...take it fwiw...

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3 star because of two reasons...He’s white. This isn’t an ignorant comment either; at least two HS bball evaluators said he would be rated 5 stars if he was playing ball in a more known area and was black. I guess it’s like the Toby Gerhart syndrome. Sad, but it’s the prejudice 99% of people have.

 :users:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 17, 2010, 02:11:36 PM
saw this posted...take it fwiw...

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3 star because of two reasons...He’s white. This isn’t an ignorant comment either; at least two HS bball evaluators said he would be rated 5 stars if he was playing ball in a more known area and was black. I guess it’s like the Toby Gerhart syndrome. Sad, but it’s the prejudice 99% of people have.

 :users:

Where was that posted? Caste basketball?
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 17, 2010, 02:11:40 PM

I don't remember being embarassed by the call, how bout you guise? :dunno:

Also do you think Will is a relative of , Judge Smails

Those refs sucked.  No getting around it.  But, every single one of Sprauldings charges was legit compared to the Delaney charge they called against Pullen for #3.  
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: EllToPay on November 17, 2010, 02:14:08 PM

I don't remember being embarassed by the call, how bout you guise? :dunno:

Also do you think Will is a relative of , Judge Smails

Those refs sucked.  No getting around it.  But, every single one of Sprauldings charges was legit compared to the Delaney charge they called against Pullen for #3.  

No.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: doom on November 17, 2010, 02:17:10 PM

I don't remember being embarassed by the call, how bout you guise? :dunno:

Also do you think Will is a relative of , Judge Smails

Those refs sucked.  No getting around it.  But, every single one of Sprauldings charges was legit compared to the Delaney charge they called against Pullen for #3.  

First charge was bogus.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 17, 2010, 02:23:09 PM

No.

Yes. 


one of them was certainly questionable.  But again, compared to the other garbage they were calling (ie Pullen's charge), I have no problem with the call.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 17, 2010, 02:24:24 PM
Pullen got away with one or two in the 2nd half though, IMO.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 17, 2010, 02:27:38 PM
Welcome to the world of biased officiating.  All-Americans get away with crap that other player's don't.  See every KU game in the OOD since it was built. 
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: AzCat on November 17, 2010, 03:10:23 PM
Does it really surprise anyone here that an ACC officiating crew whistled three quick fouls on a Big XII team's star player when said Big XII team was playing an ACC squad?   :users:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kougar24 on November 17, 2010, 03:14:27 PM
Shocker: Jack Harry "just felt really good" when Spaulding was on the floor.  :opcat:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Sugar Dick on November 17, 2010, 03:20:59 PM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:

This continues to prove my point that the statistic assist is as useless (if not more useless) than the statistic "error" in MLB.  The other SD is dead on in his analysis re: offensive boards.

especially for the point guard position  :lol:

exactly, PG is to PF as SS is to RF the more opportunities for "assists" the less useful the statistic

A stat based on who had the ball before someone else who does something good with it is not very helpful, unless you're John Stockton reneging a contract.  Especially when you consider our bigs do nothing but miss layups and draw fouls (and then miss FT's).
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: mcmwcat on November 17, 2010, 03:57:06 PM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:

This continues to prove my point that the statistic assist is as useless (if not more useless) than the statistic "error" in MLB.  The other SD is dead on in his analysis re: offensive boards.

especially for the point guard position  :lol:

exactly, PG is to PF as SS is to RF the more opportunities for "assists" the less useful the statistic

A stat based on who had the ball before someone else who does something good with it is not very helpful, unless you're John Stockton reneging a contract.  Especially when you consider our bigs do nothing but miss layups and draw fouls (and then miss FT's).

translation please?  anyone?
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: michigancat on November 17, 2010, 03:58:26 PM
Sugar dick is such a stats nerd.  :blush:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Ira Hayes on November 17, 2010, 04:07:08 PM
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his assist/to ratio is infinity/0
To be fair, the team shot like .25 the first half when he got most of his minutes. Of course, that could be a sign he isn't effective running the offense.

Bingo!

Point guards create opportunities for others in the offense.  That's why assists are tracked.  Spradling created almost nothing on the offensive end.

I'm not trying to bash the kid, but a lot of people seem to be getting excited about a kid that has a very long way to go.  He may be another Jake.  But even if he is, I don't expect much this year and probably next.

His defense was solid which is a very good sign.  That's why he's on the floor.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Poster formerly known as jthutch on November 17, 2010, 04:13:52 PM
Sprads did what he had to do.  He wasn't flashy, but he handled the ball and did not turn it over that is all that he needs to do at this point.  I liked him a lot but started liking him less only because of how much Bob Knight kept talking about it.  It was all true and I agree with him but he was getting on my nerves.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 17, 2010, 04:18:55 PM
Bingo!

Point guards create opportunities for others in the offense.  That's why assists are tracked.  Spradling created almost nothing on the offensive end.


So, you're saying that Spradling wasn't effective running the offense because he didn't create opportunities for others???  I guess I get your point if you're talking about a man/man defense and we're running set pieces.  But, against a zone, the PG is not responsible for "creating opportunities."  Typically, the PG responsible for getting the ball to his guards in space and moving it through the forwards in the high post.  Spradling did this effectively.  If we missed open layups or if the bigs blundered around like retards, that's not Sprads' problem.  

Virginia Tech played a zone about 70% of that game.  So, let's focus on the 30% when they played man/man.  

Sprads certainly isn't Clement.  He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots."  
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Ira Hayes on November 17, 2010, 04:34:29 PM
 He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots."  

We agree.  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

But I don't blame the bigs as much as you.  Judge and Asprilla only took 3 shots each in the entire game.  Why weren't they getting the ball?  Meanwhile Spradling took 6 and hit 2 (one was a layup in transition).  JHR was 5-6 from the floor.  Samuels was 4-13 but got fouled on four of those nine misses and went to the line.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: michigancat on November 17, 2010, 04:35:45 PM
anyone not pleasantly surprised with sprads is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

No one's saying he equals Clemente or even Pullen as a frosh.  But you should still be very happy with what you've seen from him.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Kat Kid on November 17, 2010, 04:37:27 PM
How about Sprads?
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: AlwaysEMAW on November 17, 2010, 04:47:58 PM
 He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots."  

  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

This is not how you beat a zone. Which is why we're impressed with him. Ball movement is the key to beating a zone and that's what he did. It is very hard to assist to the post at the very beginning of a set. Most post entries come from a wing.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 17, 2010, 04:54:16 PM
We agree.  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

Not against a zone.  Which is why is did't try to.  Maybe you should watch the next game before commenting on anything. 

But I don't blame the bigs as much as you.  Judge and Asprilla only took 3 shots each in the entire game.  Why weren't they getting the ball? 

Is this a trick question?  Because the answer has nothing to do with Spradling. 
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kougar24 on November 17, 2010, 04:57:21 PM
He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots." 

  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

This is not how you beat a zone. Which is why we're impressed with him. Ball movement is the key to beating a zone and that's what he did. It is very hard to assist to the post at the very beginning of a set. Most post entries come from a wing.

To clarify, dribble penetration can in fact defeat a zone; it just isn't the only way, and not necessarily the most reliable way.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: doom on November 17, 2010, 05:01:03 PM
He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots." 

  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

This is not how you beat a zone. Which is why we're impressed with him. Ball movement is the key to beating a zone and that's what he did. It is very hard to assist to the post at the very beginning of a set. Most post entries come from a wing.

To clarify, dribble penetration can in fact defeat a zone; it just isn't the only way, and not necessarily the most reliable way.

It is one of those things that should accompany ball movement.  It tends to fail w/o.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Ira Hayes on November 17, 2010, 05:08:35 PM
Here's how the true freshman PG on the team we probably play next Tuesday attacks a zone:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cdn.turner.com%2Fsi%2F.element%2Fimg%2F4.0%2Fglobal%2Fswapper%2F201011%2F101111.12.jpg&hash=7f58555a77b1401443733ccf7bc024315249149c)
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: wetwillie on November 17, 2010, 05:18:38 PM
Really confused by the dribble penetration isn't necessary against a zone talking point going on here.  I suspect I am getting reeled in pretty bad.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Sugar Dick on November 17, 2010, 05:28:40 PM
Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   :zzz:

This continues to prove my point that the statistic assist is as useless (if not more useless) than the statistic "error" in MLB.  The other SD is dead on in his analysis re: offensive boards.

especially for the point guard position  :lol:

exactly, PG is to PF as SS is to RF the more opportunities for "assists" the less useful the statistic

A stat based on who had the ball before someone else who does something good with it is not very helpful, unless you're John Stockton reneging a contract.  Especially when you consider our bigs do nothing but miss layups and draw fouls (and then miss FT's).

translation please?  anyone?

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Barry McCockner on November 17, 2010, 06:08:33 PM
 He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots."  
We agree.  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

But I don't blame the bigs as much as you.  Judge and Asprilla only took 3 shots each in the entire game.  Why weren't they getting the ball?  Meanwhile Spradling took 6 and hit 2 (one was a layup in transition).  JHR was 5-6 from the floor.  Samuels was 4-13 but got fouled on four of those nine misses and went to the line.

 This could be my LBBIQ showing, but regarding Samuels, I was always under the assumption that if you were fouled on a shot and missed, it didn't count as a shot statistically.  Anyone?
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kougar24 on November 17, 2010, 06:14:40 PM
He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots." 
We agree.  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

But I don't blame the bigs as much as you.  Judge and Asprilla only took 3 shots each in the entire game.  Why weren't they getting the ball?  Meanwhile Spradling took 6 and hit 2 (one was a layup in transition).  JHR was 5-6 from the floor.  Samuels was 4-13 but got fouled on four of those nine misses and went to the line.

 This could be my LBBIQ showing, but regarding Samuels, I was always under the assumption that if you were fouled on a shot and missed, it didn't count as a shot statistically.  Anyone?

That is correct.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: michigancat on November 17, 2010, 06:16:56 PM
The second page made this the dumbest thread in goEMAW.com history.   Jesus, what a bunch of idiots.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: jtksu on November 17, 2010, 06:20:21 PM
Jamar's poor shooting percentage is largely due to the fact that he would miss like 2 shots (putbacks) before actually drawing a foul.  JO actually missed 3 consective putbacks on one possession against Madison.  Love how he stuck to it but hate how he could miss 3 point blank shots like that.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Kat Kid on November 17, 2010, 06:25:23 PM
......How about Sprads??
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: jtksu on November 17, 2010, 06:26:29 PM
Nice reading skillz.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Double D on November 17, 2010, 09:04:49 PM
......How about Sprads??

So what's Spradling's nickname now? Nothing Darren Kent-ish I hope.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2010, 01:17:04 AM
Here's how the true freshman PG on the team we probably play next Tuesday attacks a zone:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cdn.turner.com%2Fsi%2F.element%2Fimg%2F4.0%2Fglobal%2Fswapper%2F201011%2F101111.12.jpg&hash=7f58555a77b1401443733ccf7bc024315249149c)

I hope you aren't comparing the way Kyrie Irving breaks down Cal Poly Pomona's 3-2 zone to the way our back up point guard broke down Virginia Tech's 2-3 zone trap?  That would be incredibly stupid.

BTW most of us read Luke Winn. 
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: swish1 on November 18, 2010, 01:36:05 AM
spradling doesnt go to his left.  unless he fixes that he will be ineffective when conference season rolls around.  however i am pleased with what i have seen from him so far.

unfortunately he cant go to his left and he is a point guard...
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 18, 2010, 08:38:18 AM
Is there a large enough sample size to say that the guy can't dribble to his left?

No. 
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 18, 2010, 08:40:19 AM
And yes, I will continue to blindly praise this dude until he gives me reason not to. 


I've seen too much shitty PG at KSU over my lifetime and too many turnovers, that I am incredibly relieved to have a solid dude who doesn't turnover the ball, handling the point. 
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: steve dave on November 18, 2010, 08:40:53 AM
coaches kids can go left.  it's science.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: AlwaysEMAW on November 18, 2010, 08:45:31 AM
Weren't they overplaying the left side of the court on Tuesday? I remember thinking, geez, I wonder why they're doing that
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kougar24 on November 18, 2010, 08:45:49 AM
coaches kids can go left.  it's science.

^^^ irrefutable
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: michigancat on November 18, 2010, 08:47:10 AM
coaches kids can go left.  it's science.

thought the same thing.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 18, 2010, 08:53:42 AM
So what's Spradling's nickname now? Nothing Darren Kent-ish I hope.

White Doberman?

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh6.ggpht.com%2F_Mq5qyAsSNIQ%2FSX-sk78_jnI%2FAAAAAAAAUTE%2FfgbayVoS90w%2Fs400%2Falbinodoberman4.jpg&hash=e46c9034d54df6791b6798434857d7b9bde07801)

Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Sugar Dick on November 18, 2010, 09:32:35 AM
Rumors that some advanced scout Duke message boarders are already comparing him to Steve Wojciechowski.   :surprised:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpyleoflist.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F02%2Fwojo2.jpg&hash=c6f87e282daf2e2eb85a2e4373af457e218f2771)

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fu%2Fphotos%2Fallsport%2F1999%2Fjul%2FSteveW71399.jpg&hash=8b010214dd18d41bb1105420365957c6d255f904)  <--- notice left-handed dribble
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: steve dave on November 18, 2010, 09:40:02 AM
If Sprads starts slapping the floor all the time I'll probably lol harder than I lol at other funny stuff that happens and junk
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Booze_Cat on November 18, 2010, 09:43:22 AM
I don't think this has been posted. Good article about Sprads and Pullen

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/17/2446672/k-states-spradlings-strong-play.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/17/2446672/k-states-spradlings-strong-play.html)
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kso_FAN on November 18, 2010, 10:14:16 AM
I'd like to see Pullen and Sprads on the court together

And to add to MIR's astute observation of the Duke PG breakdown pic; Duke is also running a pick and pop 2 man game there against the wing of the zone, which makes it easier to penetrate, plus the defense's closing on the penetrater is terrible.  And its just terrible defense overall, b/c they had no one to guard the wide open wing on the weakside either.  As MIR said, VaTech ran different zone looks, and at no time did they play their zone as terrible as in that pic.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 18, 2010, 10:22:09 AM
I'd like to see Pullen and Sprads on the court together


So would I.  Especially b/c Pullen can dribble with his left hand.  We could put White Doberman (WD) on the right side of the court and Pullen on the left.  We'll be screwed if WD needs to dribble to the top of the key, but that's not really part of our offense anyway.  So, we'll be fine.  amirite?   :dunno:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kso_FAN on November 18, 2010, 10:25:01 AM
I'd like to see Pullen and Sprads on the court together


So would I.  Especially b/c Pullen can dribble with his left hand.  We could put White Doberman (WD) on the right side of the court and Pullen on the left.  We'll be screwed if WD needs to dribble to the top of the key, but that's not really part of our offense anyway.  So, we'll be fine.  amirite?   :dunno:

Yes.  Its pretty clear from all the games we've seen that Sprads has no handles, and now that more film gets out there on him you'll continue to hear opponents coaches yelling "make him go left".  He's done a great job faking it so far though, I'll give him credit for that.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Acceleration Man on November 18, 2010, 10:37:42 AM
Rumors that some advanced scout Duke message boarders are already comparing him to Steve Wojciechowski.   :surprised:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpyleoflist.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F02%2Fwojo2.jpg&hash=c6f87e282daf2e2eb85a2e4373af457e218f2771)

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fu%2Fphotos%2Fallsport%2F1999%2Fjul%2FSteveW71399.jpg&hash=8b010214dd18d41bb1105420365957c6d255f904)  <--- notice left-handed dribble

This post gave me some incredible deja vu, and I'm not entirely sure why.

Also, it's very  :facepalm: but yet  :users: to see everyone hyper-analyzing a 2nd-game frosh's every move, hypothetical move, or lack of movement. I'm just  :ksu: about the guy. Let me enjoy it while it lasts, amirite?
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kso_FAN on November 18, 2010, 10:46:05 AM
Also, it's very  :facepalm: but yet  :users: to see everyone hyper-analyzing a 2nd-game frosh's every move, hypothetical move, or lack of movement. I'm just  :ksu: about the guy. Let me enjoy it while it lasts, amirite?

Sprads is a good player.  Enjoy it. 

I suppose I should've used italics in my last post.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Acceleration Man on November 18, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Yes. You should've!
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: steve dave on November 18, 2010, 03:23:35 PM
Guys, I'm kinda scared sprads turns into a hoops braden wilson  :frown:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 18, 2010, 03:27:15 PM
Guys, I'm kinda scared sprads turns into a hoops braden wilson  :frown:

too late
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 18, 2010, 03:29:58 PM
Guys, I'm kinda scared sprads turns into a hoops braden wilson  :frown:
braden = KSTATEO
sprads = jyc
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: jtksu on November 18, 2010, 03:30:22 PM
You mean every announcer is going to talk about how good he is and how he'll be playing professionally in the future?
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: yat on November 18, 2010, 03:50:06 PM
......How about Sprads??

So what's Spradling's nickname now? Nothing Darren Kent-ish I hope.

Um, I think it might be Sprads.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: mcmwcat on November 18, 2010, 09:29:41 PM
......How about Sprads??

 
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Ira Hayes on November 18, 2010, 10:16:38 PM
......How about Sprads??


 :pbj:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kso_FAN on November 18, 2010, 10:25:21 PM
Sprads was okay tonight.  Nothing great, nothing terrible.  I liked that he got some minutes at Pcombo with Jake at Scombo.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Ira Hayes on November 18, 2010, 10:30:40 PM
Sprads was okay tonight.  Nothing great, nothing terrible.  I liked that he got some minutes at Pcombo with Jake at Scombo.

Yeah.  But he was a little bit better than he was in the Va Tech game. 

Just keep getting better every day.  That's all we ask.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: hemmy on November 18, 2010, 10:33:46 PM
http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=303222306

Spaulding
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: swish1 on November 19, 2010, 12:15:42 AM
I'd like to see Pullen and Sprads on the court together


So would I.  Especially b/c Pullen can dribble with his left hand.  We could put White Doberman (WD) on the right side of the court and Pullen on the left.  We'll be screwed if WD needs to dribble to the top of the key, but that's not really part of our offense anyway.  So, we'll be fine.  amirite?   :dunno:

Yes.  Its pretty clear from all the games we've seen that Sprads has no handles, and now that more film gets out there on him you'll continue to hear opponents coaches yelling "make him go left".  He's done a great job faking it so far though, I'll give him credit for that.

i never said he has no handles.  he is noticeably more comfortable going to his right.  perhaps it is because he is a freshman facing better/quicker competition, i dont know.  he is clearly doing well i was only trying to point out that its an area he needs to improve upon before conference season, even if its just getting used to D1 ball or if its confidence issue.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: SuperG on November 19, 2010, 12:43:32 AM
I'd like to see Pullen and Sprads on the court together


So would I.  Especially b/c Pullen can dribble with his left hand.  We could put White Doberman (WD) on the right side of the court and Pullen on the left.  We'll be screwed if WD needs to dribble to the top of the key, but that's not really part of our offense anyway.  So, we'll be fine.  amirite?   :dunno:

Yes.  Its pretty clear from all the games we've seen that Sprads has no handles, and now that more film gets out there on him you'll continue to hear opponents coaches yelling "make him go left".  He's done a great job faking it so far though, I'll give him credit for that.

i never said he has no handles.  he is noticeably more comfortable going to his right. perhaps it is because he is a freshman facing better/quicker competition, i dont know.  he is clearly doing well i was only trying to point out that its an area he needs to improve upon before conference season, even if its just getting used to D1 ball or if its confidence issue.

I think it's because he's right handed... probably.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: swish1 on November 19, 2010, 12:49:20 AM
I'd like to see Pullen and Sprads on the court together


So would I.  Especially b/c Pullen can dribble with his left hand.  We could put White Doberman (WD) on the right side of the court and Pullen on the left.  We'll be screwed if WD needs to dribble to the top of the key, but that's not really part of our offense anyway.  So, we'll be fine.  amirite?   :dunno:

Yes.  Its pretty clear from all the games we've seen that Sprads has no handles, and now that more film gets out there on him you'll continue to hear opponents coaches yelling "make him go left".  He's done a great job faking it so far though, I'll give him credit for that.

i never said he has no handles.  he is noticeably more comfortable going to his right. perhaps it is because he is a freshman facing better/quicker competition, i dont know.  he is clearly doing well i was only trying to point out that its an area he needs to improve upon before conference season, even if its just getting used to D1 ball or if its confidence issue.

I think it's because he's right handed... probably.

oversimplification...  if that was the reason i would say the same thing about pullen...
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: michigancat on November 22, 2010, 11:52:10 PM
How about........... SPRADS?!?
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Ira Hayes on November 23, 2010, 12:00:03 AM
Sprads is awesome.

End of thread.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 23, 2010, 12:06:52 AM
Sprads (http://bigassmessage.com/17e71)
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: pike on November 23, 2010, 12:06:55 AM
Sprads has killed two ranked teams. He's a fing EMAW
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kougar24 on November 23, 2010, 02:21:53 AM
Bob Knight has a poster of Sprads up in his bedroom.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: swish1 on November 23, 2010, 03:49:13 AM
sprads is good.  gonzaga seemed to try and force him to his left and he handled it reasonably well.  of course bob knights boner for him kept getting in the way...
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Pete on November 23, 2010, 04:33:05 AM
So what's Spradling's nickname now? Nothing Darren Kent-ish I hope.

White Doberman?

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh6.ggpht.com%2F_Mq5qyAsSNIQ%2FSX-sk78_jnI%2FAAAAAAAAUTE%2FfgbayVoS90w%2Fs400%2Falbinodoberman4.jpg&hash=e46c9034d54df6791b6798434857d7b9bde07801)




This is solid.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: treysolid on November 23, 2010, 07:50:56 AM
anyone not pleasantly surprised with sprads is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

No one's saying he equals Clemente or even Pullen as a frosh.  But you should still be very happy with what you've seen from him.

no, anyone surprised that sprads is doing well is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  anyone who has watched him even 5 minutes of offense for Spiece MOKAN should have expected this.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: michigancat on November 23, 2010, 08:41:13 AM
anyone not pleasantly surprised with sprads is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

No one's saying he equals Clemente or even Pullen as a frosh.  But you should still be very happy with what you've seen from him.

no, anyone surprised that sprads is doing well is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  anyone who has watched him even 5 minutes of offense for Spiece MOKAN should have expected this.

Anyone making any assumptions based on 5 minutes of AAU ball is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kstatefreak42 on November 23, 2010, 09:56:42 AM
Michigancat just cut off your balls treysolid. How will you respond?
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 23, 2010, 09:58:29 AM
Sprads is basically equal to Pullen as a freshman. There, I said it.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: treysolid on November 23, 2010, 10:03:21 AM
Michigancat just cut off your balls treysolid. How will you respond?

nope.  balls still attached.  i doubt yuppercat is in florida.  but i will say this - i watched will play ~ 8 hours of ball with MOKAN.  it doesn't take a rough ridin' genius to tell that he could play big 6 quality bball.  identifying talent isn't hard. 
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: AbeFroman on November 23, 2010, 01:22:10 PM
Sorry Ladies, he's off the market. My roommate's boss was telling him today how "some KSU basketball freshman wants to date my(her) daughter". Said his name was Will.  :gocho:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: mcmwcat on November 23, 2010, 01:24:27 PM
how about sprads
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Trim on November 27, 2010, 02:44:11 AM
It's going to be tough rooting for Sprads with klanswomen like the one a few rows up from us but in Section 18 going nuts for him and royalswild's buddy, and getting upset whenever they're subbed out.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2010, 07:21:40 AM
It's going to be tough rooting for Sprads with klanswomen like the one a few rows up from us but in Section 18 going nuts for him and royalswild's buddy, and getting upset whenever they're subbed out.

Yeah, it sounded like he got an annoyingly loud ovation when he came into the game.  :blank:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Trim on November 27, 2010, 09:26:14 AM
It's going to be tough rooting for Sprads with klanswomen like the one a few rows up from us but in Section 18 going nuts for him and royalswild's buddy, and getting upset whenever they're subbed out.

Yeah, it sounded like he got an annoyingly loud ovation when he came into the game.  :blank:

It must've come off super loud on tv/radio, or I just wasn't paying much attention at the game because I was investigating the JamSam suspension.

Quote from: text I received just after Sprads entered
That ovation when Spradling came in the game was ridiculous, we love our honkeys
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: sys on November 27, 2010, 12:24:01 PM
It's going to be tough rooting for Sprads with klanswomen like the one a few rows up from us but in Section 18 going nuts for him and royalswild's buddy, and getting upset whenever they're subbed out.

buy a ks flag and zone out.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: mcmwcat on November 27, 2010, 12:35:57 PM
It's going to be tough rooting for Sprads with klanswomen like the one a few rows up from us but in Section 18 going nuts for him and royalswild's buddy, and getting upset whenever they're subbed out.

buy a ks flag and zone out.

heh.  great idea
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: GoodForAnother on November 27, 2010, 12:50:07 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi55.tinypic.com%2F21c78js.jpg&hash=08834cf165830e4bb598397672a2f041e485d81f)
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Cire on November 27, 2010, 12:50:38 PM
pullen could beat people off the dribble as a freshman.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 27, 2010, 01:04:48 PM
pullen could beat people off the dribble as a freshman.

They both are quite homely though....looks good for Will in a few years.  Will be dropping a Scott Baio all over campus.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kso_FAN on November 27, 2010, 02:40:01 PM
I don't think its any surprise who our leading FT shooter is...   :doom:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: broXcore on November 27, 2010, 06:05:53 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi55.tinypic.com%2F21c78js.jpg&hash=08834cf165830e4bb598397672a2f041e485d81f)
:)
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: swish1 on November 28, 2010, 01:04:50 AM
what happened to all the people who claimed frank doesnt recruit shooters?  seems like we have several now...
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: jtksu on November 28, 2010, 01:07:28 AM
Pretty limited amount of data on Frank to form an educated opinion.  I personally think Frank leans towards a long, athletic defender type of player but signs the best players he can.  Sometimes those guys are Buchis, sometimes they're HotRods.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2010, 01:33:49 AM
what happened to all the people who claimed frank doesnt recruit shooters?

Who said this?

seems like we have several now...

Not sure who you are referring to here, Jordan and Victor?  Two isn't several.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: swish1 on November 28, 2010, 01:45:05 AM
what happened to all the people who claimed frank doesnt recruit shooters?

Who said this?

seems like we have several now...

Not sure who you are referring to here, Jordan and Victor?  Two isn't several.

hmm...

lots of people on here said frank doesnt recruit shooters.  it was the big worry when fred brown transferred...

irving, russell, mcgruder, spradling...  all seem to be pretty good shooters now.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: swish1 on November 28, 2010, 01:50:19 AM
hence the reason for the entire thread below:

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=8171.0
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2010, 08:26:35 AM
Irving shot 24% from 3 and Russell shot 22% from three last year, so I'm not going to declare them "pretty good" just yet.  We'll see on Spradling.

And seriously, look at the profiles of the guards he recruits.  Pretty much all of them can get to the rim and can't shoot.  Or Art feeds him to us.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kso_FAN on November 28, 2010, 10:19:03 AM
Irving shot 24% from 3 and Russell shot 22% from three last year, so I'm not going to declare them "pretty good" just yet.  We'll see on Spradling.

And seriously, look at the profiles of the guards he recruits.  Pretty much all of them can get to the rim and can't shoot.  Or Art feeds him to us.

I don't think it's unreasonable for those guys to shoot in the low 30s. Jake made similar improvements over his career. Now, I'm not saying they will be Jake, but go through a similar improvement curve shooting the ball, it's not like they have terrible shots.

What i really want to see is McGruds not shooting 27%.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2010, 12:48:08 PM
Irving shot 24% from 3 and Russell shot 22% from three last year, so I'm not going to declare them "pretty good" just yet.  We'll see on Spradling.

And seriously, look at the profiles of the guards he recruits.  Pretty much all of them can get to the rim and can't shoot.  Or Art feeds him to us.

I don't think it's unreasonable for those guys to shoot in the low 30s. Jake made similar improvements over his career. Now, I'm not saying they will be Jake, but go through a similar improvement curve shooting the ball, it's not like they have terrible shots.


Yeah but they're not "shooters" like the other dude claims.  Not sure he knows what a shooter is.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: EMAWzified on November 28, 2010, 02:57:49 PM
He also recruited Burks and Dixon, both of whom hit better than .350 from three as freshmen. And, of course, he recruited Brown and Denis, even through I suppose Brown could be listed as Huggins recruits.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 28, 2010, 03:42:17 PM
So, are we going with "White Doberman"?

I feel like we could do better.  The guy will be here 4 years.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Trim on November 28, 2010, 03:52:31 PM
Welk Spradling?

Another angle is that it was revealed in the media guide that his middle name is Sadler.  :surprised:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: CNS on November 28, 2010, 03:53:43 PM
Welk Spradling?

Another angle is that it was revealed in the media guide that his middle name is Sadler.  :surprised:

The first player-SLTH of the modern era?
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: steve dave on November 28, 2010, 03:54:32 PM
I'm sticking with Sprads. 
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: mcmwcat on November 28, 2010, 03:59:04 PM
doctor dub
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Paul Moscow on November 28, 2010, 04:09:24 PM
The Zit.

Always in your face.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcache.daylife.com%2Fimageserve%2F03lx8tj49g6ZB%2F350x.jpg&hash=c0bf46ac45bb59428dce927eb5fbf9d927c6ac6c)
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kso_FAN on November 28, 2010, 04:48:47 PM
I'm sticking with Sprads. 

Listen to steve dave.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: sys on November 28, 2010, 05:29:47 PM
Welk Spradling?

Another angle is that it was revealed in the media guide that his middle name is Sadler.  :surprised:

jfc, then his name is doc spradler.  anything else would be an insult.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: steve dave on November 28, 2010, 05:35:49 PM
doc spradler
:lol:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Trim on November 28, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
Doc Spradler it is, aka leading candidate for Trim's most hated team personality* (actual player division).

*solely due to his cult status with the Ku KSTATEO Klan.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Cire on November 28, 2010, 05:58:18 PM
lol
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2010, 06:13:51 PM
doc spradler
:lol:


omg yes
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kstatefreak42 on November 29, 2010, 12:39:59 AM
Will Spradling sounds fine to me.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: jtksu on November 29, 2010, 01:04:19 AM
Having a decent white guy on the team is absolutely killing the resident retards.  No recourse other than to resort to childish namecalling.  Seems like people would root for any good player on our team but not this board.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: skycat on November 29, 2010, 02:35:56 AM
Having a decent white guy on the team is absolutely killing the resident retards.  No recourse other than to resort to childish namecalling.  Seems like people would root for any good player on our team but not this board.

Who's not rooting for him? I think the only player most of us would like replaced at this point is Myles.  :dunno:
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: mcmwcat on November 29, 2010, 07:13:16 AM
go Doc Spradler go  :drool:

Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: kstatefreak42 on November 29, 2010, 07:24:48 AM
Having a decent white guy on the team is absolutely killing the resident retards.  No recourse other than to resort to childish namecalling.  Seems like people would root for any good player on our team but not this board.

Who's not rooting for him? I think the only player most of us would like replaced at this point is Myles.  :dunno:
Myles, number 5, 95.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: pissclams on November 29, 2010, 08:42:13 AM
doc spradler is fantastic
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 29, 2010, 04:58:15 PM
Just going to call him "doc" from now on.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: broXcore on November 29, 2010, 08:29:19 PM
call him duracell, 'cause hes always takin' charges
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: GoodForAnother on November 29, 2010, 08:32:19 PM
call him duracell, 'cause hes always takin' charges

will sprad-lithium-ion
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: skycat on November 30, 2010, 01:33:49 AM
Having a decent white guy on the team is absolutely killing the resident retards.  No recourse other than to resort to childish namecalling.  Seems like people would root for any good player on our team but not this board.

Who's not rooting for him? I think the only player most of us would like replaced at this point is Myles.  :dunno:
Myles, number 5, 95.

You can't replace 95, he's 95!

Plus he's a walk-on.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: jtksu on November 30, 2010, 02:03:58 AM
I like having Myles around.  That dude is HOT!
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: swish1 on November 30, 2010, 02:48:56 AM
what happened to all the people who claimed frank doesnt recruit shooters?

Who said this?

seems like we have several now...

Not sure who you are referring to here, Jordan and Victor?  Two isn't several.

hmm...

lots of people on here said frank doesnt recruit shooters.  it was the big worry when fred brown transferred...

irving, russell, mcgruder, spradling...  all seem to be pretty good shooters now.

for those who cant read...

i didnt say frank recruited shooters or that the players i listed were shooters...

what i said was they all seem to be pretty good shooters now...

maybe frank knows what he is doing???...

those that can read realize rusty/michigancat and his buddies put their foot in their mouth when it comes to this idea that nobody can replace fred brown...
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2010, 06:22:01 AM
weird bump.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: asava on November 30, 2010, 06:56:21 AM
DOC SPRADLER
 :love: :ksu: :excited:

yes.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: mcmwcat on November 30, 2010, 07:34:19 AM
HOW ABOUT DOC SPRADLER!
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2010, 11:02:48 AM
what happened to all the people who claimed frank doesnt recruit shooters?

Who said this?

seems like we have several now...

Not sure who you are referring to here, Jordan and Victor?  Two isn't several.

hmm...

lots of people on here said frank doesnt recruit shooters.  it was the big worry when fred brown transferred...

irving, russell, mcgruder, spradling...  all seem to be pretty good shooters now.

for those who cant read...

i didnt say frank recruited shooters or that the players i listed were shooters...

what i said was they all seem to be pretty good shooters now...

maybe frank knows what he is doing???...

those that can read realize rusty/michigancat and his buddies put their foot in their mouth when it comes to this idea that nobody can replace fred brown...


They are okay shooters dude, there isn't a player on the roster outside of 0 who is relied upon for just their shooting.  Irving & McGruder are needed to be JYCy, IF they shoot well it's a bonus.  I guess Russell & Doc Spradler are needed to handle the ball.  With all four you hope to get soce outside scoring from, but you hope more that they stay in their shoes and don't shoot the team out of the game.

I would never classify someone as a good shooter when you, HOPE that they contribute in that part of the game.
Title: Re: How about Sprads
Post by: asava on November 30, 2010, 01:54:55 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg543.imageshack.us%2Fimg543%2F3169%2Fdocspradling.jpg&hash=7f5cb7f4b9b35d0d18e0b5ee1ce5c69464f4c083)*

 :peek:

where we're going we don't need stars