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Title: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: swish1 on November 07, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
mack brown: worst in game coach ever, or worsest in game coach ever?
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: FHSU92 on November 07, 2010, 06:11:50 AM
He's a nice guy...Kinda like Wooly, but can recruit like a sunuvabich -- he just missed on his qb this yr.   I have to think that OB would have his talent winning at least 10 games this season.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: KSUTOMMY on November 07, 2010, 06:46:15 AM
The UT fans I know down here are pimping Will Muschamp (DC) and it's well known that he's HCIW... but their D this yr has been pretty suspect IMO. BTW, how hard is it to recruit to Austin with all of the things UT's got going for them? I think it's one of those places that recruits itself.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 07, 2010, 07:32:27 AM
Worst phog.net talking point ever.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2010, 07:47:48 AM
Worst phog.net talking point ever.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: scottwildcat on November 07, 2010, 08:49:56 AM
Worst phog.net talking point ever.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: PowercatPat on November 07, 2010, 09:27:20 AM
I wouldn't say he is a really good recruiter. Almost anyone could get the recruits he gets to come to Austin. That's a very easy place to recruit to.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 07, 2010, 09:46:47 AM
I wouldn't say he is a really good recruiter. Almost anyone could get the recruits he gets to come to Austin. That's a very easy place to recruit to.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: felix rex on November 07, 2010, 10:47:12 AM
It's weird how everyone says "college is all about the Jimmys and the Joes" and then knocks on Mack for being awesome at that. Weird in a stupid way (<--just to clarify).
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: doom on November 07, 2010, 11:08:21 AM
The UT fans I know down here are pimping Will Muschamp (DC) and it's well known that he's HCIW... but their D this yr has been pretty suspect IMO. BTW, how hard is it to recruit to Austin with all of the things UT's got going for them? I think it's one of those places that recruits itself.

That's what happens when you lose out on NBAF.  Everything is slowly deteriorating in Autsin.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2010, 11:22:23 AM
Yeah, anyone could win/recruit at Texas.....as long as their name is Mack Brown or Darrell Royal
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: Pett on November 07, 2010, 11:22:35 AM
Dude,  I love Mack Brown. Great coach/guy. The recruiting does itself in Austin.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: felix rex on November 07, 2010, 11:25:58 AM
Yeah, anyone could win/recruit at Texas.....as long as their name is Mack Brown or Darrell Royal

Yeah. It's like the Phil Jackson "can't win without Jordan/Kobe/Shaq" talking point.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: jtksu on November 07, 2010, 11:53:45 AM
Gilbert was like the #1 qb in his class.  UT didn't miss in their recruiting.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 07, 2010, 06:04:35 PM
Gilbert was like the #1 qb in his class.  UT didn't miss in their recruiting.

Gilbert sucks, so UT (and rivals, scout and espn) definitely missed when evaluating his talent.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: jtksu on November 07, 2010, 06:16:52 PM
Dude has a ton of talent.  If Mack missed on his eval, so did about every coach in the country.  Freems had games like yesterday and last I checked he's doing pretty weel for himself.  Gilbert is young, this is still his first season as a starter.  By the time he graduates, he'll be very good and (at least) get a cup of coffee in the league.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2010, 07:59:07 PM
jt really owning nuts kicked in this thread
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 07, 2010, 08:03:02 PM
Dude has a ton of talent.  If Mack missed on his eval, so did about every coach in the country.  Freems had games like yesterday and last I checked he's doing pretty weel for himself.  Gilbert is young, this is still his first season as a starter.  By the time he graduates, he'll be very good and (at least) get a cup of coffee in the league.

I suppose you think that Jason Bennett is a hell of a basketball player, too.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: jtksu on November 07, 2010, 08:11:13 PM
I must have missed the time when Bennett started for a team that was a year removed from the MNC game and had consistantly brought in top 5 talent for like a decade. 
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 07, 2010, 08:13:45 PM
I must have missed the time when Bennett started for a team that was a year removed from the MNC game and had consistantly brought in top 5 talent for like a decade. 

 :star: :star: :star: :star: :star:

You must have missed the part where Gilbert took over a team that just played in the MNC and couldn't even lead them to a bowl game the very next year.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: jtksu on November 07, 2010, 08:52:09 PM
Lotta things wrong with Texas right now, it's an awful lot to ask a young QB to be the savior.  Plus the whole "replacing a 4 year starter" thing.  But nice job comparing Gilbert to Bennett.  You can literally hear the mouth breathing in your posts.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 08, 2010, 12:15:05 AM
I tried to look up Garrett Gilbert's passer efficiency rating here (http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/ncaa-m-footbl-fbs-ind-passing-efficiency.html), but since he is not one of the best 100 (out of 120) QB's, he does not appear on the list. The dude has thrown 7 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. Just keep telling yourself that he is good, though. :lol:

Back on topic, Mack Brown is a hell of a coach, and winning at Texas is not as easy as most people think.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: swish1 on November 08, 2010, 02:37:32 AM
I wouldn't say he is a really good recruiter. Almost anyone could get the recruits he gets to come to Austin. That's a very easy place to recruit to.

hes a good recruiter.  he got good recruits to go to north carolina, for football.  look how many rules butch davis has broken to get the same types of recruits to go there...

but the guy cant coach his way out of a paper bag.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: unleashthemob on November 08, 2010, 06:56:54 AM
I will give Mack some credit for showing some class when walking out on the field and seeing how RD was after the cheap shot, unlike Pete Carroll's high fiving after A Lockett got blasted
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: Brock Landers on November 08, 2010, 09:12:41 AM
Worst phog.net talking point ever.


Is it worse than the "Can't win without Vince Young" talking point?
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 08, 2010, 01:02:36 PM
Mack Brown = Amazing Hugger

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Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: bakerman on November 08, 2010, 01:14:03 PM
The only gripe against Mack Brown would be his apparent inability to make in game adjustments. It seems like if his game plan from the week leading up to the game doesn't work, he just concedes the game. 

Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 08, 2010, 01:17:19 PM
The only gripe against Mack Brown would be his apparent inability to make in game adjustments. It seems like if his game plan from the week leading up to the game doesn't work, he just concedes the game. 



I think this is only true when he's playing K-State.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: mcmwcat on November 28, 2011, 02:34:40 PM
between 2001 and 2009 Mack Brown compiled a 101-16 record  :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: bakerman on November 28, 2011, 03:26:19 PM
between 2001 and 2009 Mack Brown compiled a 101-16 record  :horrorsurprise:

that can't be, he's just a terrible coach...
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 28, 2011, 03:33:40 PM
between 2001 and 2009 Mack Brown compiled a 101-16 record  :horrorsurprise:

Why did you stop at 2009?
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: steve dave on November 28, 2011, 03:44:53 PM
I love mocking Mack haters.  It's so easy. 
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: mcmwcat on November 28, 2011, 03:55:46 PM
2010-2011: the only years Texas hasn't won 9 games in a season under Mack.  he could do it again this year if he's fortunate.  that would be once in 14 seasons that Mack didn't win at least 9 games.

i was looking at 2001-2009 because that may be the most impressive stretch for any coach in the history of college football.  dumb eff
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: mcmwcat on November 28, 2011, 03:56:30 PM
mack brown: coach of the century  :dunno:

maybe. 
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: mcmwcat on November 28, 2011, 04:08:51 PM
all those Ws in what was the best division in the history of college football prior to the last couple years of SEC East
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: MadCat on November 28, 2011, 04:20:10 PM
Can we get Mack Brown as recruiting coordinator when he gets fired from Texas?  Also, I see he hasn't coached defense ever...would he be better than Cosh as DC?
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: Testy Westy on November 28, 2011, 10:59:08 PM
http://www.bigshow790.com/player/?station=KBME-MS&program_name=podcast&program_id=OnaMobile.xml&mid=21613809
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: 0.42 on November 28, 2011, 11:05:09 PM
I love mocking Mack haters.  It's so easy. 

I am absolutely not even touching this rough ridin' thread
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: ednksu on November 29, 2011, 03:05:58 AM
i was looking at 2001-2009 because that may be the most impressive stretch for any coach in the history of college football.  dumb eff
No
Title: Re: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: steve dave on November 29, 2011, 06:06:08 AM
mcmw is absolutely correct
Title: Re: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: ednksu on November 29, 2011, 07:06:28 AM
mcmw is absolutely correct



1991   11–2   4th      Won Cotton
1992   11–1   2nd   ACC champions   Won Orange
1993   12–1   1st   ACC champions, National champions   Won Orange
1994   10–1–1   4th   ACC champions   Won Sugar
1995   10–2   4th   ACC co-champions   Won Orange
1996   11–1   3rd   ACC champions   Lost Sugar
1997   11–1   3rd   ACC champions   Won Sugar
1998   11–2   3rd   ACC co-champions   Lost Fiesta
1999   12–0   1st   ACC champions, National champions   Won Sugar
2000   11–2   5th   ACC champions   Lost Orange


110-13
Multiple National Championships, unquestioned conference dominance.

would you like to guess who?
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: mcmwcat on November 29, 2011, 07:20:46 AM
north carolina?  not sure why you're mixing hoops and football :confused:
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: ednksu on November 29, 2011, 07:24:25 AM
north carolina?  not sure why you're mixing hoops and football :confused:
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Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: mcmwcat on November 29, 2011, 07:27:24 AM
aha.  oops.  read the years wrong.  no wonder i was so confused.  FSU under Bowden and UT under Mack is a very good comparo.  both of those periods could be considered the best coaching performances in college football history.  thanks for helping make my point.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: mcmwcat on November 29, 2011, 07:29:55 AM
however, i think the edge goes to Mack over Bobby for playing in a tougher conference.  a much tougher conference.  in the division considered the toughest in football for most of his tenure.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: steve dave on November 29, 2011, 07:30:36 AM
Turner Gill would have a run like that starting in his third season in the ACC. 
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: ednksu on November 29, 2011, 07:35:03 AM
however, i think the edge goes to Mack over Bobby for playing in a tougher conference.  a much tougher conference.  in the division considered the toughest in football for most of his tenure.
almost.  Having grown up in FL as an FSU fan I can say that is not the case.  FSU played Miami and UF in their non-com when they were winning big time.  They also regularly played Notre Dame and the rest of the ACC wasn't as dog shitty as it is now. 
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: steve dave on November 29, 2011, 07:36:59 AM
Ron Prince coached KSU teams would beat those Miami/Florida/FSU teams by 85 points on average
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: ednksu on November 29, 2011, 07:42:10 AM
Ron Prince coached KSU teams would beat those Miami/Florida/FSU teams by 85 points on average
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you mad bro?
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yeah he mad
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: steve dave on November 29, 2011, 07:47:29 AM
I don't think you are using "mad" properly.....  and I have no idea who those people are. 
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: ednksu on November 29, 2011, 07:49:30 AM
I don't think you are using "mad" properly.....  and I have no idea who those people are. 
you must be  :bball: only
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: mcmwcat on November 29, 2011, 07:50:16 AM
however, i think the edge goes to Mack over Bobby for playing in a tougher conference.  a much tougher conference.  in the division considered the toughest in football for most of his tenure.
almost.  Having grown up in FL as an FSU fan I can say that is not the case.  FSU played Miami and UF in their non-com when they were winning big time.  They also regularly played Notre Dame and the rest of the ACC wasn't as dog shitty as it is now. 

they played ND twice during that stretch plus once in the Orange Bowl.  Boise plays a tough non con too but that doesn't make the conference schedule any stronger.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: mcmwcat on November 29, 2011, 07:53:23 AM
I don't think you are using "mad" properly.....  and I have no idea who those people are. 
you must be  :bball: only

isn't #17 a basketball player.  the other dude i think plays a character on Grey's Anatomy
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: ednksu on November 29, 2011, 08:05:30 AM
I don't think you are using "mad" properly.....  and I have no idea who those people are. 
you must be  :bball: only

isn't #17 a basketball player.  the other dude i think plays a character on Grey's Anatomy
eh what are you going to do.  At one point FSU had an O-line bigger than all NFL teams but the Raiders and a couple others.  facepalm for scouts who thought he couldn't see over the line.   

The ACC hasn't been great, at least than G-Tech had a Heisman hopeful, NCState wasn't dog crap.  FSU had a much harder non-com which more than made up for the weakness of the ACC.  To say its comparable to the foes BSU faces is silly.  Now there is a legit argument that Mack played a harder conference schedule year in year out.  Post season play and noncom is clearly in FSU's favor.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: bubbles4ksu on November 29, 2011, 08:19:45 AM
I don't think you are using "mad" properly.....  and I have no idea who those people are. 
you must be  :bball: only

isn't #17 a basketball player.  the other dude i think plays a character on Grey's Anatomy
eh what are you going to do.  At one point FSU had an O-line bigger than all NFL teams but the Raiders and a couple others.  facepalm for scouts who thought he couldn't see over the line.   

The ACC hasn't been great, at least than G-Tech had a Heisman hopeful, NCState wasn't dog crap.  FSU had a much harder non-com which more than made up for the weakness of the ACC.  To say its comparable to the foes BSU faces is silly.  Now there is a legit argument that Mack played a harder conference schedule year in year out.  Post season play and noncom is clearly in FSU's favor.

Great stuff. What else can you tell us about Florida State University's teams of the 1990s?
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2011, 08:23:27 AM
however, i think the edge goes to Mack over Bobby for playing in a tougher conference.  a much tougher conference.  in the division considered the toughest in football for most of his tenure.
almost.  Having grown up in FL as an FSU fan I can say that is not the case.  FSU played Miami and UF in their non-com when they were winning big time.  They also regularly played Notre Dame and the rest of the ACC wasn't as dog shitty as it is now. 

It was actually much more dog shitty than it is now, in terms of FSU's strength of schedule.
Title: Re: mack brown = terrible coach, but amazing recruiter
Post by: ednksu on November 29, 2011, 08:27:27 AM
I don't think you are using "mad" properly.....  and I have no idea who those people are. 
you must be  :bball: only

isn't #17 a basketball player.  the other dude i think plays a character on Grey's Anatomy
eh what are you going to do.  At one point FSU had an O-line bigger than all NFL teams but the Raiders and a couple others.  facepalm for scouts who thought he couldn't see over the line.   

The ACC hasn't been great, at least than G-Tech had a Heisman hopeful, NCState wasn't dog crap.  FSU had a much harder non-com which more than made up for the weakness of the ACC.  To say its comparable to the foes BSU faces is silly.  Now there is a legit argument that Mack played a harder conference schedule year in year out.  Post season play and noncom is clearly in FSU's favor.

Great stuff. What else can you tell us about Florida State University's teams of the 1990s?

I thoroughly enjoyed this (not my pic)
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Not sure the Nebraska swim team or whatever I was sitting behind enjoyed my incessant tomahawk chopping.