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Title: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 25, 2010, 02:02:13 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-program?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)

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But Apple's reach goes further than controlling technology: No apps that "encourage excessive consumption." Apps can't misspell Apple product names—like iTunz. Apps can't look like Apple's applications either. Apps "with metadata that mentions the name of any other computer platform" are out. Apps can't be defamatory or "mean-spirited." (Unless you're a professional satirist.) No apps that replicate pre-installed applications—like Mail. Apps can't portray "realistic images of people or animals being killed or maimed" or shot. Goodbye Call of Duty. No "Chat Roulette" apps.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: steve dave on October 25, 2010, 02:04:09 PM
I have a new ipod touch and, I'm not gonna lie, I like the crap out of it.  It's just about the perfect airplane companion. 
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 25, 2010, 02:07:42 PM
I have a new ipod touch and, I'm not gonna lie, I like the crap out of it.  It's just about the perfect airplane companion. 

I have nothing against the ipod touch. I very much have something against what is in the link.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: OK_Cat on October 25, 2010, 02:08:39 PM
don't see the big deal.   :dunno:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2010, 02:11:33 PM
Why can't Apple decide what software they allow to operate within their environment?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
Meh, just ignore the companies philosophy and enjoy all the kick ass products they offer.  Have you seen the new razor thin laptop they have coming out  :drool:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Paul Moscow on October 25, 2010, 02:22:57 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-program?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)

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But Apple's reach goes further than controlling technology: No apps that "encourage excessive consumption." Apps can't misspell Apple product names—like iTunz. Apps can't look like Apple's applications either. Apps "with metadata that mentions the name of any other computer platform" are out. Apps can't be defamatory or "mean-spirited." (Unless you're a professional satirist.) No apps that replicate pre-installed applications—like Mail. Apps can't portray "realistic images of people or animals being killed or maimed" or shot. Goodbye Call of Duty. No "Chat Roulette" apps.


You don't know a lot about business.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 25, 2010, 03:19:41 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-program?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)

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But Apple's reach goes further than controlling technology: No apps that "encourage excessive consumption." Apps can't misspell Apple product names—like iTunz. Apps can't look like Apple's applications either. Apps "with metadata that mentions the name of any other computer platform" are out. Apps can't be defamatory or "mean-spirited." (Unless you're a professional satirist.) No apps that replicate pre-installed applications—like Mail. Apps can't portray "realistic images of people or animals being killed or maimed" or shot. Goodbye Call of Duty. No "Chat Roulette" apps.


You don't know a lot about business.

I know that I have the right to decide what I want to do with the objects I purchase. This is a consumerist issue. Not a business issue. It may make them more money? Why should you care? How much stock do you own in them? People here are more likely to be a consumer, thus being affected as such.

Why can't Apple decide what software they allow to operate within their environment?

It affects competition. Greatly affects consumer selection. It forces developers to lose profit. There are a ton of reasons why I don't want them to decide what software they allow. Nobody but the FCC can make Apple not "decide what software they allow to operate within their environment" except for the consumers. The only people that should be for this is Apple. Anyone who buys their products or develops for their products should be seriously angry.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: OK_Cat on October 25, 2010, 03:21:55 PM
hey dingleberry,

if you don't want to be forced to buy something, then don't buy it.   :dunno:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Paul Moscow on October 25, 2010, 03:51:48 PM
This is like me walking into Mcdonalds and demanding they give me a slice of pizza because pizza makers everywhere are suffering.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2010, 03:54:41 PM
Just spit balling here but didn't Microsoft get sued for Anti-trust along the lines that they packaged their software into the operating system they sold to control the market for word processors, spread sheets etc?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Paul Moscow on October 25, 2010, 04:10:33 PM
Just spit balling here but didn't Microsoft get sued for Anti-trust along the lines that they packaged their software into the operating system they sold to control the market for word processors, spread sheets etc?

I see what you are trying to get at. The case against microsoft was basically that they created their software to be incompatible with other operating systems, as you said effectively creating an impossible-to-match competitive advantage.

What ew is saying might be closer to the complaints levied against Wal-Mart. That because of there preeminent place in the marketplace they can dictate to manufacturers certain price points, product characteristics, etc, that wouldn't arise normally in the market. Creating an unfair (but not impossible to match) competitive advantage for outsiders.

Apple, is dictating only content as far as I know. His complaint is more similar to Wal-Mart or another retailer deciding not to sell CD's with explicit lyrics. Artists and recording studios representing them of course complain that they are being unfairly closed out of the market. Of course, if they chose to make a CD without explicit lyrics (which most have) they will get the sales they are missing out on. Just like the developers could in this scenario.

Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: asava on October 25, 2010, 04:12:05 PM
This is like me walking into Mcdonalds and demanding they give me a slice of pizza because pizza makers everywhere are suffering.

 :lol:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 25, 2010, 04:16:16 PM
Just spit balling here but didn't Microsoft get sued for Anti-trust along the lines that they packaged their software into the operating system they sold to control the market for word processors, spread sheets etc?

I see what you are trying to get at. The case against microsoft was basically that they created their software to be incompatible with other operating systems, as you said effectively creating an impossible-to-match competitive advantage.

What ew is saying might be closer to the complaints levied against Wal-Mart. That because of there preeminent place in the marketplace they can dictate to manufacturers certain price points, product characteristics, etc, that wouldn't arise normally in the market. Creating an unfair (but not impossible to match) competitive advantage for outsiders.

Apple, is dictating only content as far as I know. His complaint is more similar to Wal-Mart or another retailer deciding not to sell CD's with explicit lyrics. Artists and recording studios representing them of course complain that they are being unfairly closed out of the market. Of course, if they chose to make a CD without explicit lyrics (which most have) they will get the sales they are missing out on. Just like the developers could in this scenario.



Does Walmart compete in the recording industry? If they did (honestly don't know if they own any stake in anything similar), then it would be close.


hey dingleberry,

if you don't want to be forced to buy something, then don't buy it.   :dunno:

Who is forcing who to buy anything? A company is doing something I don't agree with and I'm deciding as a consumer I don't want to support it. Not that complicated.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2010, 04:28:19 PM
Life without Chat Roulette?!!?1/
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: OK_Cat on October 25, 2010, 04:29:59 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ArchE_Cat on October 25, 2010, 04:32:15 PM
This is nothing more than an architect or engineering specifying something very tight and then not allowing any wiggle room or equal substitutes. They're only limiting apps sold through their app store.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: OK_Cat on October 25, 2010, 04:32:38 PM
This is nothing more than an architect or engineering specifying something very tight and then not allowing any wiggle room or equal substitutes.

also known as "life"
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Paul Moscow on October 25, 2010, 04:41:46 PM
This is nothing more than an architect or engineering specifying something very tight and then not allowing any wiggle room or equal substitutes. They're only limiting apps sold through their app store.

I would say that creating an app not named "Dirty Fingers" is more than enough wiggle room.



Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2010, 04:50:25 PM
They're only limiting apps sold through their app store.

very important to note.  we're talking about crap you load on your iphone/ipad/ipod, not an imac.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 25, 2010, 04:52:54 PM
This is nothing more than an architect or engineering specifying something very tight and then not allowing any wiggle room or equal substitutes. They're only limiting apps sold through their app store.

It's a lot more. Apple is a software developer that is being able to choose what software is sold on it's machine. Not only that, they're chopping off 25% profit from the developer. This is a mafia union boss. Not any old architect specifying what ever p-lam.

Not a hard concept to understand. Closed systems are never good for the consumer. Thank God it's only on 10% of the world's PC's. If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.

They're only limiting apps sold through their app store.

very important to note.  we're talking about crap you load on your iphone/ipad/ipod, not an imac.
:facepalm:

No, Apple is rolling out with an "app store" for OS X Lion. Read the article. Go back and watch the keynote from a week or 2 ago.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: hemmy on October 25, 2010, 05:07:59 PM
Microsoft lets its employees run Windows, Linux, or OSX on their machines.

(Lets face it, neither of those OS's are an actual threat to significant market share)
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2010, 05:51:58 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?

Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 25, 2010, 06:02:20 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: _33 on October 25, 2010, 06:47:41 PM
It must really suck to care about stuff like this.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2010, 07:22:10 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 25, 2010, 07:44:24 PM
It must really suck to care about stuff like this.

yeah. i can't even imagine. just think about the people that care about whether some guys likes to make out with another guy though. there's probably some people that care about both. i mean, how much free time do you fuckers have?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: hemmy on October 25, 2010, 08:08:56 PM
I am sure you make a decent starting salary in w/e dumb business field you guys majored in 33/daris. Don't hate on the computer elites making big bucks.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 25, 2010, 08:21:57 PM
I am sure you make a decent starting salary in w/e dumb business field you guys majored in 33/daris. Don't hate on the computer elites making big bucks.

man hemmy. making fun of the money that you think i make just isn't very nice. congrats on making the big bucks though. always like to see a fellow "wildcat" make good.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 25, 2010, 09:04:04 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: HeinBallz on October 25, 2010, 09:36:52 PM
have you guys seen the RC hellicopter with a point of view camera that you control with your iphone?   just imagine all the shenanigans a guy could get into with that thing in a girls locker room.    :eye:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2010, 10:17:56 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
I'm arguing like BMW and you're the one posting links to stupid crap like this one, rehashing crap we've been over dozens of times.  Got it.  Thanks for the link, revolutionary crap I learned from reading it.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 25, 2010, 10:40:25 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
I'm arguing like BMW and you're the one posting links to stupid crap like this one, rehashing crap we've been over dozens of times.  Got it.  Thanks for the link, revolutionary crap I learned from reading it.

Yet another BMW posts. Make a few posts that argue against the grain, then throw the table over and walk out of the room when exposed as a dipshit.

We've been over news that just came out dozens of times? If you don't want to read the thread, don't rough ridin' open it. Talk about a revolutionary idea.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2010, 11:14:50 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
I'm arguing like BMW and you're the one posting links to stupid crap like this one, rehashing crap we've been over dozens of times.  Got it.  Thanks for the link, revolutionary crap I learned from reading it.

Yet another BMW posts. Make a few posts that argue against the grain, then throw the table over and walk out of the room when exposed as a dipshit.

We've been over news that just came out dozens of times? If you don't want to read the thread, don't rough ridin' open it. Talk about a revolutionary idea.

Yeah, we have been over this.
Maybe the emotional stress that Apple products put you through just clouds your memory.   LOL @ you ----> :lol:

I HATE APPLE!!  :curse:    :runaway:  :curse:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: BigCat on October 25, 2010, 11:17:56 PM
Love the ways Apple haterz hate. Bunch of people who don't have the sand to admit they've foolishly been using a far inferior product just because they don't want to/can't pony up the extra dough to shop for quality products. Also denial is a really ugly thing.

If you're an elite computery person you probably don't apply, but for folks who just want crap that works without being required to be a computer technician, Apple rules the world. I get emails from 75 year old people that can't use a PC but can bang out emails on an iPad all day. What!? Yes, I want one too. :pray:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 25, 2010, 11:26:52 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
I'm arguing like BMW and you're the one posting links to stupid crap like this one, rehashing crap we've been over dozens of times.  Got it.  Thanks for the link, revolutionary crap I learned from reading it.

Yet another BMW posts. Make a few posts that argue against the grain, then throw the table over and walk out of the room when exposed as a dipshit.

We've been over news that just came out dozens of times? If you don't want to read the thread, don't rough ridin' open it. Talk about a revolutionary idea.

Yeah, we have been over this.
Maybe the emotional stress that Apple products put you through just clouds your memory.   LOL @ you ----> :lol:

I HATE APPLE!!  :curse:    :runaway:  :curse:

I don't hate anything. I just think it's hilarious how you would rather get raped over on price and consumer rights, just for a brand. I just hope that attitude stays with you and not the rest of the world. I like to use the things I buy the way I want to.

Love the ways Apple haterz hate. Bunch of people who don't have the sand to admit they've foolishly been using a far inferior product just because they don't want to/can't pony up the extra dough to shop for quality products. Also denial is a really ugly thing.

If you're an elite computery person you probably don't apply, but for folks who just want crap that works without being required to be a computer technician, Apple rules the world. I get emails from 75 year old people that can't use a PC but can bang out emails on an iPad all day. What!? Yes, I want one too. :pray:

You bought a product that anyone else can buy. You didn't design the thing for eff's sake.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: BigCat on October 25, 2010, 11:34:07 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
I'm arguing like BMW and you're the one posting links to stupid cac like this one, rehashing crap we've been over dozens of times.  Got it.  Thanks for the link, revolutionary cac I learned from reading it.

Yet another BMW posts. Make a few posts that argue against the grain, then throw the table over and walk out of the room when exposed as a dipcac.

We've been over news that just came out dozens of times? If you don't want to read the thread, don't effing open it. Talk about a revolutionary idea.

Yeah, we have been over this.
Maybe the emotional stress that Apple products put you through just clouds your memory.   LOL @ you ----> :lol:

I HATE APPLE!!  :curse:    :runaway:  :curse:

I don't hate anything. I just think it's hilarious how you would rather get raped over on price and consumer rights, just for a brand. I just hope that attitude stays with you and not the rest of the world. I like to use the things I buy the way I want to.

Love the ways Apple haterz hate. Bunch of people who don't have the sand to admit they've foolishly been using a far inferior product just because they don't want to/can't pony up the extra dough to shop for quality products. Also denial is a really ugly thing.

If you're an elite computery person you probably don't apply, but for folks who just want cac that works without being required to be a computer technician, Apple rules the world. I get emails from 75 year old people that can't use a PC but can bang out emails on an iPad all day. What!? Yes, I want one too. :pray:

You bought a product that anyone else can buy. You didn't design the thing for eff's sake.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :struckanerve:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: chum1 on October 25, 2010, 11:39:31 PM
Nonconformists find Apple offensive.  As they should.  Get over it.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 25, 2010, 11:44:32 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
I'm arguing like BMW and you're the one posting links to stupid cac like this one, rehashing crap we've been over dozens of times.  Got it.  Thanks for the link, revolutionary cac I learned from reading it.

Yet another BMW posts. Make a few posts that argue against the grain, then throw the table over and walk out of the room when exposed as a dipcac.

We've been over news that just came out dozens of times? If you don't want to read the thread, don't effing open it. Talk about a revolutionary idea.

Yeah, we have been over this.
Maybe the emotional stress that Apple products put you through just clouds your memory.   LOL @ you ----> :lol:

I HATE APPLE!!  :curse:    :runaway:  :curse:

I don't hate anything. I just think it's hilarious how you would rather get raped over on price and consumer rights, just for a brand. I just hope that attitude stays with you and not the rest of the world. I like to use the things I buy the way I want to.

Love the ways Apple haterz hate. Bunch of people who don't have the sand to admit they've foolishly been using a far inferior product just because they don't want to/can't pony up the extra dough to shop for quality products. Also denial is a really ugly thing.

If you're an elite computery person you probably don't apply, but for folks who just want cac that works without being required to be a computer technician, Apple rules the world. I get emails from 75 year old people that can't use a PC but can bang out emails on an iPad all day. What!? Yes, I want one too. :pray:

You bought a product that anyone else can buy. You didn't design the thing for eff's sake.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :struckanerve:


You really think that you struck a nerve or just saying that because I ignored most of your post?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: BigCat on October 26, 2010, 12:00:55 AM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
I'm arguing like BMW and you're the one posting links to stupid cac like this one, rehashing crap we've been over dozens of times.  Got it.  Thanks for the link, revolutionary cac I learned from reading it.

Yet another BMW posts. Make a few posts that argue against the grain, then throw the table over and walk out of the room when exposed as a dipcac.

We've been over news that just came out dozens of times? If you don't want to read the thread, don't effing open it. Talk about a revolutionary idea.

Yeah, we have been over this.
Maybe the emotional stress that Apple products put you through just clouds your memory.   LOL @ you ----> :lol:

I HATE APPLE!!  :curse:    :runaway:  :curse:

I don't hate anything. I just think it's hilarious how you would rather get raped over on price and consumer rights, just for a brand. I just hope that attitude stays with you and not the rest of the world. I like to use the things I buy the way I want to.

Love the ways Apple haterz hate. Bunch of people who don't have the sand to admit they've foolishly been using a far inferior product just because they don't want to/can't pony up the extra dough to shop for quality products. Also denial is a really ugly thing.

If you're an elite computery person you probably don't apply, but for folks who just want cac that works without being required to be a computer technician, Apple rules the world. I get emails from 75 year old people that can't use a PC but can bang out emails on an iPad all day. What!? Yes, I want one too. :pray:

You bought a product that anyone else can buy. You didn't design the thing for eff's sake.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :struckanerve:


You really think that you struck a nerve or just saying that because I ignored most of your post?

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Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: j-von on October 26, 2010, 01:28:10 AM
Switched away from Windows seven years ago and haven't looked back.  Lovin life as a computer elite.   :party:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 26, 2010, 08:08:58 AM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
I'm arguing like BMW and you're the one posting links to stupid crap like this one, rehashing crap we've been over dozens of times.  Got it.  Thanks for the link, revolutionary crap I learned from reading it.

Yet another BMW posts. Make a few posts that argue against the grain, then throw the table over and walk out of the room when exposed as a dipshit.

We've been over news that just came out dozens of times? If you don't want to read the thread, don't rough ridin' open it. Talk about a revolutionary idea.

Yeah, we have been over this.
Maybe the emotional stress that Apple products put you through just clouds your memory.   LOL @ you ----> :lol:

I HATE APPLE!!  :curse:    :runaway:  :curse:

I don't hate anything. I just think it's hilarious how you would rather get raped over on price and consumer rights, just for a brand. I just hope that attitude stays with you and not the rest of the world. I like to use the things I buy the way I want to.


The fact that you can't recognize how hypocritical it is to talk about consumer rights while booting into Windows pretty much ends this thread for me.  Thanks for playin!
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: _33 on October 26, 2010, 08:29:08 AM
Weird how it's always the Apple haters starting the threads about how much they hate Apple and never the other way around.

PC people are like the high school wrestling team.  They are always calling out the basktball players (Apple people) and making fun of basketball because they are so insecure about their sport.  Meanwhile the basketball players don't even know the wrestlers names.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Saulbadguy on October 26, 2010, 08:34:54 AM
Mac has Boot Camp, because many users have the need to run a Windows OS.

Meanwhile, I don't know of anyone that would want to run Mac OS on PC hardware. What would be the point?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: asava on October 26, 2010, 09:02:27 AM
Mac has Boot Camp, because many users have the need to run a Windows OS.

Meanwhile, I don't know of anyone that would want to run Mac OS on PC hardware. What would be the point?

hackintoshes are pretty common. especially on netbooks.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: number_one_KSU on October 26, 2010, 10:23:34 AM
Great topic guys! 

I have very much interest in Apple (http://www.apple.com/) and their fantastic line of products!

Apple has learned a lot from iPad (http://www.apple.com/ipad/). The new MacBook Air  (http://www.apple.com/macbookair/)is proof. It’s designed around all-flash storage for better responsiveness and reliability. It features a trackpad with full Multi-Touch (http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html#multi-touch) support. And though it’s incredibly thin and light, its large battery (http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html#battery) gives you portable power that lasts for hours.

So whether am I cruising Facebook in the secret coffee that only my friends and I know about, or downloading the newest obscure hit from iTunes (http://www.apple.com/itunes/), I know that the sleek elegant design of my MacBook Air will be there for me.

Was is also nice is knowing that  when it comes to being environmentally friendly, Apple (http://www.apple.com/environment/) approaches things differently — through their products. That’s why MacBook Air is energy efficient and free of many harmful toxins.

All of this, and more can be found in the next generation of MacBooks.

When I keep track of my favorite team the KSU WILDCATS, I always use my MACBOOK AIR (http://www.apple.com/macbookair/) and other great APPLE products!

Go TEAM KSU and WILDCATS! GO GO GO!
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Saulbadguy on October 26, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
Mac has Boot Camp, because many users have the need to run a Windows OS.

Meanwhile, I don't know of anyone that would want to run Mac OS on PC hardware. What would be the point?

hackintoshes are pretty common. especially on netbooks.
Hackintosh is a hobbyist/geek thing, like installing Linux on your toaster.  Boot Camp is out of necessity.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 26, 2010, 10:57:18 AM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
I'm arguing like BMW and you're the one posting links to stupid crap like this one, rehashing crap we've been over dozens of times.  Got it.  Thanks for the link, revolutionary crap I learned from reading it.

Yet another BMW posts. Make a few posts that argue against the grain, then throw the table over and walk out of the room when exposed as a dipshit.

We've been over news that just came out dozens of times? If you don't want to read the thread, don't rough ridin' open it. Talk about a revolutionary idea.

Yeah, we have been over this.
Maybe the emotional stress that Apple products put you through just clouds your memory.   LOL @ you ----> :lol:

I HATE APPLE!!  :curse:    :runaway:  :curse:

I don't hate anything. I just think it's hilarious how you would rather get raped over on price and consumer rights, just for a brand. I just hope that attitude stays with you and not the rest of the world. I like to use the things I buy the way I want to.


The fact that you can't recognize how hypocritical it is to talk about consumer rights while booting into Windows pretty much ends this thread for me.  Thanks for playin!

What is MS doing that compares at all to what Apple is doing?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 26, 2010, 11:18:31 AM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
I'm arguing like BMW and you're the one posting links to stupid crap like this one, rehashing crap we've been over dozens of times.  Got it.  Thanks for the link, revolutionary crap I learned from reading it.

Yet another BMW posts. Make a few posts that argue against the grain, then throw the table over and walk out of the room when exposed as a dipshit.

We've been over news that just came out dozens of times? If you don't want to read the thread, don't rough ridin' open it. Talk about a revolutionary idea.

Yeah, we have been over this.
Maybe the emotional stress that Apple products put you through just clouds your memory.   LOL @ you ----> :lol:

I HATE APPLE!!  :curse:    :runaway:  :curse:

I don't hate anything. I just think it's hilarious how you would rather get raped over on price and consumer rights, just for a brand. I just hope that attitude stays with you and not the rest of the world. I like to use the things I buy the way I want to.


The fact that you can't recognize how hypocritical it is to talk about consumer rights while booting into Windows pretty much ends this thread for me.  Thanks for playin!

What is MS doing that compares at all to what Apple is doing?

Stay on topic, this thread is about your hate for Apple  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 26, 2010, 11:29:48 AM
Question for turtleneck wearing complainer, ew2x4-

Between Microsoft and Apple, only one company has been sued by the Dept of Justice for violating anti-trust laws.  The company lost the lawsuit and was found guilty of violating the Sherman Antitrust act.

Only one of the two companies was also sued by the EU for violating anti-trust laws and again was found guilty of violating consumer rights.

Care to guess which of these two fine outstanding pro-consumer rights software companies it was?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 26, 2010, 11:47:34 AM
 :facepalm:

In 2004 that happened mainly because IE was bundled with Windows and it was unable to be removed. In present day computer land, Windows 7 allows you to remove IE all together. The European version even comes shipped with a ballot option to install the browser of your choice.

Also in 2010, Apple has installing Safari set to default when you run Apple Software Update with only itunes or quicktime installed. On Mac systems, there is no way to successfully uninstall the packaged software. Not to mention they are one step away from having a completely closed desktop OS.

Two companies going in completely opposite directions. But yeah, what ever you say, buddy.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 26, 2010, 12:11:45 PM
Question for iDorks, is there any way around using iTunes?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 26, 2010, 12:15:04 PM
:facepalm:

In 2004 that happened mainly because IE was bundled with Windows and it was unable to be removed. In present day computer land, Windows 7 allows you to remove IE all together. The European version even comes shipped with a ballot option to install the browser of your choice.

Also in 2010, Apple has installing Safari set to default when you run Apple Software Update with only itunes or quicktime installed. On Mac systems, there is no way to successfully uninstall the packaged software. Not to mention they are one step away from having a completely closed desktop OS.

Two companies going in completely opposite directions. But yeah, what ever you say, buddy.

 :facepalm:  sheesh, can't believe everyone in the world is out to get microsoft!

Question for iDorks, is there any way around using iTunes?


don't use it :dunno:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 26, 2010, 12:22:28 PM
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Lol at this thread. 
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: mcmwcat on October 26, 2010, 12:38:21 PM
my grandma uses an iPhone so they must work alright.  :dunno:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: CNS on October 26, 2010, 12:42:00 PM
How is the iPad for BBS'n?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 26, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
Quote
Question for iDorks, is there any way around using iTunes?


don't use it :dunno:
what program works?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 26, 2010, 12:48:35 PM
Quote
Question for iDorks, is there any way around using iTunes?


don't use it :dunno:
what program works?

works for what?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 26, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
:facepalm:

In 2004 that happened mainly because IE was bundled with Windows and it was unable to be removed. In present day computer land, Windows 7 allows you to remove IE all together. The European version even comes shipped with a ballot option to install the browser of your choice.

Also in 2010, Apple has installing Safari set to default when you run Apple Software Update with only itunes or quicktime installed. On Mac systems, there is no way to successfully uninstall the packaged software. Not to mention they are one step away from having a completely closed desktop OS.

Two companies going in completely opposite directions. But yeah, what ever you say, buddy.

 :facepalm:  sheesh, can't believe everyone in the world is out to get microsoft!

Yay, another Beems tactic.  :surprised: Shocker
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: mcmwcat on October 26, 2010, 02:48:31 PM
BMW is incredibly good at clowning dumb people. 
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Poster formerly known as jthutch on October 26, 2010, 02:54:38 PM
Man ew2x4's tap out is getting ridiculous.  Congrats to Pissclams for total domination of this thread. 
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 26, 2010, 03:08:14 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.
I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.

Question for turtleneck wearing complainer, ew2x4-

Between Microsoft and Apple, only one company has been sued by the Dept of Justice for violating anti-trust laws.  The company lost the lawsuit and was found guilty of violating the Sherman Antitrust act.

Only one of the two companies was also sued by the EU for violating anti-trust laws and again was found guilty of violating consumer rights.Care to guess which of these two fine outstanding pro-consumer rights software companies it was?

 :users:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 26, 2010, 03:17:24 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.
I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.

Question for turtleneck wearing complainer, ew2x4-

Between Microsoft and Apple, only one company has been sued by the Dept of Justice for violating anti-trust laws.  The company lost the lawsuit and was found guilty of violating the Sherman Antitrust act.

Only one of the two companies was also sued by the EU for violating anti-trust laws and again was found guilty of violating consumer rights.Care to guess which of these two fine outstanding pro-consumer rights software companies it was?

 :users:

Did you completely ignore my post or what? Avoiding posts that clown you- Beems avoidance tactic #21
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 26, 2010, 03:22:43 PM
If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.
so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?



I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.
Yup, good old Microsoft Windows- a shining example of a true open platform :lol:

Never thought they were. They have a lot of work to do, but they're going the complete opposite direction that Apple is going when it comes to this. You're starting to argue like Beems, btw. You're better than this.
I'm arguing like BMW and you're the one posting links to stupid crap like this one, rehashing crap we've been over dozens of times.  Got it.  Thanks for the link, revolutionary crap I learned from reading it.

Yet another BMW posts. Make a few posts that argue against the grain, then throw the table over and walk out of the room when exposed as a dipshit.

We've been over news that just came out dozens of times? If you don't want to read the thread, don't rough ridin' open it. Talk about a revolutionary idea.

Yeah, we have been over this.
Maybe the emotional stress that Apple products put you through just clouds your memory.   LOL @ you ----> :lol:

I HATE APPLE!!  :curse:    :runaway:  :curse:

I don't hate anything. I just think it's hilarious how you would rather get raped over on price and consumer rights, just for a brand. I just hope that attitude stays with you and not the rest of the world. I like to use the things I buy the way I want to.


The fact that you can't recognize how hypocritical it is to talk about consumer rights while booting into Windows pretty much ends this thread for me.  Thanks for playin!

What is MS doing that compares at all to what Apple is doing?

Hey guys! Bundling software in 2004 is exactly the same as creating a closed OS in 2010! :flush:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 26, 2010, 03:25:18 PM
BMW is incredibly good at clowning dumb people. 

This isn't 2006.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: pissclams on October 26, 2010, 03:27:39 PM
uh oh, three responses in a row.

i sense a member to guest transition occuring soon!   :runaway:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 26, 2010, 03:30:29 PM
Still ignoring the posts eh? Want me to edit them all together? I tried putting them all in the same quick reply but the quotes got all messed up.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 26, 2010, 06:03:36 PM
Quote
Question for iDorks, is there any way around using iTunes?


don't use it :dunno:
what program works?

works for what?
why was it edited? what did it say.  :curse:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Saulbadguy on October 26, 2010, 08:47:13 PM
:facepalm:

In 2004 that happened mainly because IE was bundled with Windows and it was unable to be removed. In present day computer land, Windows 7 allows you to remove IE all together. The European version even comes shipped with a ballot option to install the browser of your choice.

Also in 2010, Apple has installing Safari set to default when you run Apple Software Update with only itunes or quicktime installed. On Mac systems, there is no way to successfully uninstall the packaged software. Not to mention they are one step away from having a completely closed desktop OS.

Two companies going in completely opposite directions. But yeah, what ever you say, buddy.

 :facepalm:  sheesh, can't believe everyone in the world is out to get microsoft!

Question for iDorks, is there any way around using iTunes?


don't use it :dunno:
:lol:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: chum1 on October 27, 2010, 06:28:35 AM
itunes is definitely a spot where the "i need something uncomplicated" and "i want something flexible" crap hits the fan.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 27, 2010, 06:36:01 AM
How is the iPad for BBS'n?
:pbj:

* bbs'd from my ipad
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: CNS on October 27, 2010, 09:39:20 AM
How is the iPad for BBS'n?
:pbj:

* bbs'd from my ipad


Easy to type on?  Much of a pain in the ass?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 27, 2010, 09:53:59 AM
I'm not really a fan of Apple's products, but I do own Apple stock, so I love crap like this.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Dr. tylerhughes on October 27, 2010, 10:46:28 AM
How is the iPad for BBS'n?
:pbj:

* bbs'd from my ipad


Easy to type on?  Much of a pain in the ass?

Surprisingly easy...kind of like getting used to typing on a new phone keyboard, but way bigger and easier.  Some idiots may freak out about not being able to "feel" when you hit the keys.

My dad is still pretty slow with it but I can type like a 13 year old girl using AIM (or facebook chat these days  :facepalm:)
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 28, 2010, 04:23:10 PM
Other Technology companies do the same thing . . . several of whom are monsters in their particular sectors, they're just not househould names on the level of Apple.   

I think it's BS . . . BUT . . . it's their $hit and they can do whatever they want . . . all the :chainsaw: is driven by petty jealousy because these companies have been smarter and more business savvy then their competitors.



Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 28, 2010, 04:42:38 PM
Other Technology companies do the same thing . . . several of whom are monsters in their particular sectors, they're just not househould names on the level of Apple.   

I think it's BS . . . BUT . . . it's their $hit and they can do whatever they want . . . all the :chainsaw: is driven by petty jealousy because these companies have been smarter and more business savvy then their competitors.





The thing about those other companies is that they usually offer a product that is far superior to their competitors, so the consumer has no real choice. Apple is unique because while they do offer quality products, they are not always clearly superior to the competition at the same price point. Apple fans will continue to buy their products no matter how expensive, restrictive, or in some cases inferior they are.
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: kougar24 on October 28, 2010, 04:57:38 PM
Nobody but the FCC can make Apple not "decide what software they allow to operate within their environment" except for the consumers.

Sooooo Apple shouldn't be able to decide what can go on an Apple device, but the federal gov't should? :confused:
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: ew2x4 on October 28, 2010, 06:05:30 PM
Nobody but the FCC can make Apple not "decide what software they allow to operate within their environment" except for the consumers.

Sooooo Apple shouldn't be able to decide what can go on an Apple device, but the federal gov't should? :confused:

You read this whole thread and choose to misinterpret that line? I'd hope that the government would break up monopolistic practices like they have in the past. Why would you want Apple or the government to choose what is allowed on their OS?
Title: Re: This is why I will never own an Apple product
Post by: kougar24 on October 29, 2010, 08:57:30 AM
You read this whole thread

Nope.