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Title: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: steve dave on October 18, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
I love how we are now oversigning

Asprilla Sr
Hen-Ro Jr
Irving Jr
Judge Jr
McGruder Jr
Myles Jr
Russell Jr
Samuels Sr
Southwell So
Williams So
Spradling So
Gipson Fr
Diaz Fr
Reed Jr
Lawrence Jr
Rodriguez-Trioche Fr
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: TheMadCatter on October 18, 2010, 05:19:22 PM
I thought Lawrence was going to walk-on and try to 'earn' a scholarship?
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: sys on October 18, 2010, 05:20:03 PM
that's a very high scholarship count.


thanks to the staff for giving us something recruiting related to discuss.  i was completely wrong when i thought it'd be calm waters and boring sailing from diaz on in.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: ChiComCat on October 18, 2010, 05:22:42 PM
One of Myles/Irving will have to go, right?  And has it been decided that D-Pete is out for good, or is there still a chance he adds another to our scholly count?
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: steve dave on October 18, 2010, 05:23:54 PM
One of Myles/Irving will have to go, right?  And has it been decided that D-Pete is out for good, or is there still a chance he adds another to our scholly count?

WHO KNOWS!?
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: ChiComCat on October 18, 2010, 05:30:48 PM
One of Myles/Irving will have to go, right?  And has it been decided that D-Pete is out for good, or is there still a chance he adds another to our scholly count?

WHO KNOWS!?



 :runaway:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: yosh on October 18, 2010, 06:14:30 PM
8 juniors   :horrorsurprise:

 
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: sys on October 18, 2010, 07:33:54 PM
i believe lawrence is not playing for cloud this year.  so, he'd change to a soph.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2010, 07:39:20 PM
I love how we are now oversigning

Asprilla Sr
Hen-Ro Jr
Irving Jr
Judge Jr
McGruder Jr
Myles Jr
Russell Jr
Samuels Sr
Southwell So
Williams So
Spradling So
Gipson Fr
Diaz Fr
Reed Jr
Lawrence Jr
Rodriguez-Trioche Fr

that's 16 scholarships.   :eek:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: AbeFroman on October 18, 2010, 07:40:43 PM
Can't see Irving making all 4 years.
Could see JHR and Russell going too, unless they get really good this year.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on October 18, 2010, 07:49:21 PM
I think Irving is going to surprise a lot of you retards.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: doom on October 18, 2010, 08:46:36 PM
I think Irving is going to surprise a lot of you retards.

I fully expect him all 4 years, and to do good things in years 3, and 4.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Sugar Dick on October 18, 2010, 09:29:07 PM
Can't see Irving making all 4 years.
Could see JHR and Russell going too, unless they get really good this year.

why does everyone assume Irving is the one that will go?  He seems like the stereotypical Frank type player
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: AbeFroman on October 18, 2010, 09:36:28 PM
Can't see Irving making all 4 years.
Could see JHR and Russell going too, unless they get really good this year.

why does everyone assume Irving is the one that will go?  He seems like the stereotypical Frank type player
So was Sutton, allegedly.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: hemmy on October 18, 2010, 09:40:48 PM
Sutton was also a headcase.

TBD for Irving.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Sugar Dick on October 18, 2010, 09:55:18 PM
Can't see Irving making all 4 years.
Could see JHR and Russell going too, unless they get really good this year.

why does everyone assume Irving is the one that will go?  He seems like the stereotypical Frank type player
So was Sutton, allegedly.

headcase = wildly inconsistent. 

does not fit the "bring it every  day" Frank stereotype I speak to.  agree he fits the physical specimen, hard nose defender part of the stereotype (although Dom was inconsistent last season re: his defense)
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2010, 10:01:34 PM
I expect Martavious to consistently suck.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: ChiComCat on October 18, 2010, 10:16:40 PM
I expect Martavious to consistently suck.

Really cause he didn't suck last year. Sure, he wasn't a starting caliber player but he hit some threes when it counted. Take your negativity someplace else.  :curse: If you're going to be negative, direct it towards Dom. Yes, I loved him too, but he was a "head case" who was "wildly inconsistent" to quote ^^Sugar Dick^^. Hated to see him go, but I'll learn to deal with it. He can have a good time in NC dominating and having no one give a hoot. :doom: Although, Sugar Dick, if I completely agreed with you, then I would be admitting that Jamaar has to go which is something that cannot happen. Jamaar consistently was inconsistent as well, just not quite as much.

Did you hear that Dom:
NOBODY GIVES A HOOT
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: _33 on October 18, 2010, 10:20:23 PM
I expect Martavious to consistently suck.

Really cause he didn't suck last year. Sure, he wasn't a starting caliber player but he hit some threes when it counted. Take your negativity someplace else.  :curse: If you're going to be negative, direct it towards Dom. Yes, I loved him too, but he was a "head case" who was "wildly inconsistent" to quote ^^Sugar Dick^^. Hated to see him go, but I'll learn to deal with it. He can have a good time in NC dominating and having no one give a hoot. :doom: Although, Sugar Dick, if I completely agreed with you, then I would be admitting that Jamaar has to go which is something that cannot happen. Jamaar consistently was inconsistent as well, just not quite as much.
I expect Martavious to consistently suck.

Really cause he didn't suck last year. Sure, he wasn't a starting caliber player but he hit some threes when it counted. Take your negativity someplace else.  :curse: If you're going to be negative, direct it towards Dom. Yes, I loved him too, but he was a "head case" who was "wildly inconsistent" to quote ^^Sugar Dick^^. Hated to see him go, but I'll learn to deal with it. He can have a good time in NC dominating and having no one give a hoot. :doom: Although, Sugar Dick, if I completely agreed with you, then I would be admitting that Jamaar has to go which is something that cannot happen. Jamaar consistently was inconsistent as well, just not quite as much.

Shut up, dumbass.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: sys on October 18, 2010, 11:01:14 PM
did some dumbass post something misguidedly positive about irving and then delete it?


btw, sugar dick, the reason everyone assumes it will be irving is because they hope it will be irving.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: ChiComCat on October 18, 2010, 11:18:05 PM
I just figure we would have to drop a guard and small forward.  I think Russell's role is going to dramatically increase and he will be a leader in the future based on how the coaching staff talks him up to whoever will listen.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Panjandrum on October 19, 2010, 12:02:18 AM
Can't see Irving making all 4 years.
Could see JHR and Russell going too, unless they get really good this year.

JHR isn't going anywhere.  You don't get rid of a kid with his size and tools.  He's a project, but in another year or so (maybe even this year), he's going to be a very strong contributor if not more.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: yosh on October 19, 2010, 01:27:11 AM
If I had to guess, I'd say Reed's enrollment probably means they don't sign Diaz.  I also don't believe they sign Angel...at least not in the fall.

Officially it'll look like this after Novemeber signing period:

Asprilla Sr
Hen-Ro Jr
Irving Jr
Judge Jr
McGruder Jr
Myles Jr
Russell Jr
Samuels Sr
Southwell So
Williams So
Spradling So
Gipson Fr
Reed Jr

Angel, lawrence & diaz may or may not join in the fall.  i'd be thrilled if we  officially oversign, but I doubt it still...plus I'd be a little irritated that we seemingly quit on so many elite guards if we were going to oversign anyway.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on October 19, 2010, 01:29:18 AM
Doesn't having 7 kids in the same class seem like a bad idea?
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: sys on October 19, 2010, 01:34:23 AM
ar-t plans to sign in the spring.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: ChiComCat on October 19, 2010, 02:04:35 AM
Doesn't having 7 kids in the same class seem like a bad idea?

Not if Martin plans on leaving after 12-13  :ohno:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Barry McCockner on October 19, 2010, 08:55:48 AM
16 - Wally (leaves warly) - Jamar (leaves early) - Omari (walks on) = 13   :runaway:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: steve dave on October 19, 2010, 09:09:36 AM
16 - Wally (leaves warly) - Jamar (leaves early) - Omari (walks on) = 13   :runaway:

Jamar isn't going to play in the NBA (could still "leave early" though)
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 19, 2010, 09:24:51 AM
It will rip my heart out to see certain players from this team leave early. :frown:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Sugar Dick on October 19, 2010, 09:37:51 AM
btw, sugar dick, the reason everyone assumes it will be irving is because they hope it will be irving.

duh, doesn't make it any less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Barry McCockner on October 19, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
16 - Wally (leaves warly) - Jamar (leaves early) - Omari (walks on) = 13   :runaway:

Jamar isn't going to play in the NBA (could still "leave early" though)

We are KITNU.  It will happen.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: AbeFroman on October 19, 2010, 12:56:44 PM
Doesn't having 7 kids in the same class seem like a bad idea?

Not if Martin plans on leaving after 12-13  :ohno:
I'm ok with this if we win back to back NC in 11-12 and 12-13
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: kstatefreak42 on October 19, 2010, 12:58:30 PM
Frank isnt going anywhere. He's to EMAW. plain and simple.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: ChiComCat on October 19, 2010, 02:18:17 PM
Frank isnt going anywhere. He's to EMAW. plain and simple.
All those juniors say otherwise....
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on October 19, 2010, 02:24:21 PM
I would be a little surprised if Frank chose to eff us like that if he chose to leave.  Plus- I don't think Frank would be so focused on getting the new facilities built if he planned on leaving in the new couple of years.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: kso_FAN on October 19, 2010, 02:27:56 PM
Very rarely do coaches, especially in a situation like Frank's, "plan" to leave.  But anyone in that situation is going to keep their options open, and if the right location, school, and/or $$$ come after you, you leave. 
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: kstatefreak42 on October 19, 2010, 02:42:07 PM
I just think frank is to loyal.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: CHONGS on October 19, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
I just think frank is to loyal.
as

fish is to water.


I LOVED THESE THINGS!
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 19, 2010, 02:44:00 PM
I just think frank is to loyal.

I bet the players that Frank is going to have to run off the team next year think the same thing.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: ChiComCat on October 19, 2010, 02:51:01 PM
He has that class set for one final run, then he'll bolt to Kentucky right as Calipari is running from the NCAA infractions he caused there.  So seeing as how Frank is already pretty much in Kentucky, maybe the better question for this thread is where Calipari will run too :dunno:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: SuperG on October 19, 2010, 05:53:28 PM
He has that class set for one final run, then he'll bolt to Kentucky right as Calipari is running from the NCAA infractions he caused there.  So seeing as how Frank is already pretty much in Kentucky, maybe the better question for this thread is where Calipari will run too :dunno:

I know of a little school in the Flint Hills that would be a great place to lay low for a couple/few years.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: EuroCat on October 19, 2010, 06:43:17 PM
He has that class set for one final run, then he'll bolt to Kentucky right as Calipari is running from the NCAA infractions he caused there.  So seeing as how Frank is already pretty much in Kentucky, maybe the better question for this thread is where Calipari will run too :dunno:

I know of a little school in the Flint Hills that would be a great place to lay low for a couple/few years.

Coach Swap? Sounds like a great sitcom that could fund a certain midwestern school's upcoming practice facility.  :kstatriot:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: yosh on November 10, 2010, 07:36:27 PM
Trim your list.  Mine (what I want).  Last cut, JHR, was hard.  Frank will cut Russell, Myles, Omari and Reed I supposed.

Samuels Sr
Asprilla Sr
Hen-Ro Jr
Irving Jr
Judge Jr
McGruder Jr
Myles Jr
Russell Jr
Peterson Jr
Reed Jr
Lawrence Jr
Southwell So
Williams So
Spradling So
Gipson Fr
Diaz Fr
Rodriguez-Trioche Fr
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Andy on November 10, 2010, 07:45:14 PM
the way this staff handles scholarships reminds me of recruiting on ncaa football video games where you just cut low rated upperclassmen to make room for high upside freshmen.  theres always a second of pain when you hit that cut button on a senior, but man, that freshman has an 80 rating!
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Sugar Dick on November 10, 2010, 07:57:45 PM
we need one of those National Deficit counters only for K-State scholly offers

Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: skycat on November 10, 2010, 08:30:59 PM
Trim your list.  Mine (what I want).  Last cut, JHR, was hard.  Frank will cut Russell, Myles, Omari and Reed I supposed.

Samuels Sr
Asprilla Sr
Hen-Ro Jr
Irving Jr
Judge Jr
McGruder Jr
Myles Jr
Russell Jr
Peterson Jr
Reed Jr
Lawrence Jr
Southwell So
Williams So
Spradling So
Gipson Fr
Diaz Fr
Rodriguez-Trioche Fr

Reed and Lawrence plan to walk on next year, right? So all you need to do is cut a couple of our current players, probably Myles and Russell. See, it's not so hard.  :driving:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: mcmwcat on November 10, 2010, 09:08:29 PM
wouldn't Peterson be a SR
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: j-von on November 10, 2010, 09:08:55 PM
Trim your list.  Mine (what I want).  Last cut, JHR, was hard.  Frank will cut Russell, Myles, Omari and Reed I supposed.


No chance JHR is forced out.  Would be much better for Diaz to go to a prep school for a year.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 10, 2010, 09:19:14 PM
They're saying Reed is a first round pick, WTF would we cut him?
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: ChiComCat on November 10, 2010, 09:25:07 PM
I find it hard to believe we're having a kid sit out a year with us just to be sent packing.  I'm guessing Samuels, Irving, Myles.  Diaz redshirts.

Edited so I look less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 10, 2010, 09:26:11 PM
Reed is a forward.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: skycat on November 11, 2010, 02:59:05 AM
wouldn't Peterson be a SR

Yes
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: skycat on November 11, 2010, 03:19:10 AM
I find it hard to believe we're having a kid sit out a year with us just to be sent packing.  I'm guessing Samuels, Irving, Myles.  Diaz redshirts.

Edited so I look less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)

I don't know what you had written before, but cutting the league's 6th Man of the Year and a potential draft prospect would be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

There have been reports that Omari Lawrence and Willie Reed plan to walk on to the team. If this stands, we'd be just two over the limit, so we'd only need to pull two players' schollies. My choice would be Myles and Russell, but they could prove me wrong. Also, one or more players (Judge, Samuels) could have a monster year and declare for the draft (let's hope not), which would make things easier from a scholarship standpoint.

Edit: Peterson could also walk on his senior year, and Diaz could go to prep school (as has been mentioned), putting us at 13 schollies. Reed, Lawrence and Peterson -- can you imagine having so much walk-on talent at once? A future draft pick...a once heavily-recruited 3-star...and 95!
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Benja on November 11, 2010, 09:15:40 AM
I find it hard to believe we're having a kid sit out a year with us just to be sent packing.  I'm guessing Samuels, Irving, Myles.  Diaz redshirts.

Edited so I look less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)

Also, one or more players (Judge, Samuels) could have a monster year and declare for the draft (let's hope not), which would make things easier from a scholarship standpoint.

From a program standpoint, you want players to have monster years and declare for the draft, btw. If Wally was able to make the jump after this year, that would be awesome.

Not to mention Samuels isn't even on the draft radar at this point, so if he has a big enough year to jump straight to the draft, that means we're probably kicking a historically huge amount of asses on the way to a title.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: steve dave on November 11, 2010, 09:20:33 AM
Jamar will never play in the NBA
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: MeatSauce on November 11, 2010, 09:47:38 AM
Doesn't Omari have some rich family friend/KSU alum back on Connecticut that was rumored to be paying his 'tion once his spirit quest in Concordia is over?  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: EMAWzified on November 11, 2010, 12:07:51 PM
Hoped for:
Samuels Sr, returns
Asprilla Sr, returns
Hen-Ro Jr, returns
Irving Jr, returns
Judge Jr, big year, declares
McGruder Jr, returns
Myles Jr, transfers to Buffalo
Russell Jr, returns
Peterson, Jr, returns with scholarship
Reed Jr, enrolls with scholarhip
Lawrence Jr, walkon
Southwell So, returns
Williams So, returns
Spradling So, transfers to Washburn, about his skill level
Gipson Fr, enrolls with scholarship
Diaz Fr, does prep for one year
Rodriguez-Trioche Fr, enrolls with scholarhip
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: skycat on November 11, 2010, 12:18:25 PM
I find it hard to believe we're having a kid sit out a year with us just to be sent packing.  I'm guessing Samuels, Irving, Myles.  Diaz redshirts.

Edited so I look less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)

Also, one or more players (Judge, Samuels) could have a monster year and declare for the draft (let's hope not), which would make things easier from a scholarship standpoint.

From a program standpoint, you want players to have monster years and declare for the draft, btw. If Wally was able to make the jump after this year, that would be awesome.

Not to mention Samuels isn't even on the draft radar at this point, so if he has a big enough year to jump straight to the draft, that means we're probably kicking a historically huge amount of asses on the way to a title.

I do want them to have monster years. I don't want them to declare for the draft, not yet. That's selfish of me, of course.

Also, Samuels is faintly on the draft radar: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jamar-Samuels-5832/
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: ChiComCat on November 11, 2010, 01:51:19 PM
I never said Samuels would be leaving for the NBA
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: "storm"nut on November 11, 2010, 02:05:41 PM
Hoped for:
Samuels Sr, returns
Asprilla Sr, returns
Hen-Ro Jr, returns
Irving Jr, returns
Judge Jr, big year, declares
McGruder Jr, returns
Myles Jr, transfers to Buffalo
Russell Jr, returns
Peterson, Jr, returns with scholarship
Reed Jr, enrolls with scholarhip
Lawrence Jr, walkon
Southwell So, returns
Williams So, returns
Spradling So, transfers to Washburn, about his skill level
Gipson Fr, enrolls with scholarship
Diaz Fr, does prep for one year
Rodriguez-Trioche Fr, enrolls with scholarhip

Bet you thought the same about Steven Henson.  :opcat: <-----------this exept with a black hood.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 11, 2010, 02:20:47 PM
Sprads is going to play a pretty decent amount of minutes (as a true freshman) for a top 5 team.  How does he have D2 skills again?
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: "storm"nut on November 11, 2010, 02:24:57 PM
Sprads is going to play a pretty decent amount of minutes (as a true freshman) for a top 5 team.  How does he have D2 skills again?

Damn it, now my post makes me look like a dumbass. Thanks jtksu for supporting me.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: kso_FAN on November 11, 2010, 02:26:23 PM
Sprads is going to play a pretty decent amount of minutes (as a true freshman) for a top 5 team.  How does he have D2 skills again?

Damn it, now my post makes me look like a dumbass. Thanks jtksu for supporting me.  :facepalm:

No, your post was okay.  Sprads hate at this point is unfounded. 
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 11, 2010, 02:33:56 PM
Sprads is going to play a pretty decent amount of minutes (as a true freshman) for a top 5 team.  How does he have D2 skills again?

Damn it, now my post makes me look like a dumbass. Thanks jtksu for supporting me.  :facepalm:

No, your post was okay.  Sprads hate at this point is unfounded. 

I believe he is gonna turn into one of those players opposing fans go, "He hasn't graduated yet???"
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: "storm"nut on November 11, 2010, 02:39:05 PM
Sprads is going to play a pretty decent amount of minutes (as a true freshman) for a top 5 team.  How does he have D2 skills again?

Damn it, now my post makes me look like a dumbass. Thanks jtksu for supporting me.  :facepalm:

No, your post was okay.  Sprads hate at this point is unfounded. 

More to the point that if jtksu is on your side, you're on the wrong side.  :goodbyecruelworld:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: EMAWzified on November 11, 2010, 03:03:04 PM
Was crazy about Henson from the first exhibition I saw him play. Comparing Spradling to Henson,  :jerk: when he's actually the second coming of Aaron Swartendruber.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: kstatefreak42 on November 11, 2010, 03:55:07 PM
How about we get rid of hmmmm let me guess............VICTOR OJELEYE. The guy is rough ridin' awful.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: EMAWzified on November 11, 2010, 03:58:05 PM
He doesn't have a basketball scholarship.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 11, 2010, 03:59:01 PM
How about we get rid of hmmmm let me guess............VICTOR OJELEYE. The guy is rough ridin' awful.

don't be a tard.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: The Whale on November 11, 2010, 03:59:24 PM
Doesn't Omari have some rich family friend/KSU alum back on Connecticut that was rumored to be paying his 'tion once his spirit quest in Concordia is over?  :dunno:

dax reelin' 'em in again!!!
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: AzCat on November 11, 2010, 04:00:43 PM
How about we get rid of hmmmm let me guess............VICTOR OJELEYE. The guy is effing awful.

don't be a tard.

Yeah, when most of the team / recruits follow Frank to Miami he's not only going to be on 'ship, he's going to be a starter.   :users:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: kstatefreak42 on November 11, 2010, 04:04:25 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!~!!!
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: AzCat on November 11, 2010, 04:05:56 PM
Say it with me: Even Dana Altman is off the board.  Who in the eff is going to come here?   :ck: :goodbyecruelworld:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 11, 2010, 04:06:39 PM
Welcome, Head Coach Underwood.  :yuck:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: AzCat on November 11, 2010, 04:07:43 PM
Welcome, Head Coach Underwood.  :yuck:

Particuarly considering that 'te420k, Figs, & Greenwalt will bail with Frank.   :flush:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: kstatefreak42 on November 11, 2010, 04:14:42 PM
Frank isnt going anywhere.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 11, 2010, 04:25:15 PM
I hope you're right Freak, I really hope you're right. 
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: kstatefreak42 on November 11, 2010, 04:26:40 PM
I hope you're right Freak, I really hope you're right. 
I know im right.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Benja on November 11, 2010, 08:11:53 PM
Jamar will never play in the NBA

Yeah.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Benja on November 11, 2010, 08:16:23 PM
Hoped for:
Samuels Sr, returns
Asprilla Sr, returns
Hen-Ro Jr, returns
Irving Jr, returns
Judge Jr, big year, declares
McGruder Jr, returns
Myles Jr, transfers to Buffalo
Russell Jr, returns
Peterson, Jr, returns with scholarship
Reed Jr, enrolls with scholarhip
Lawrence Jr, walkon
Southwell So, returns
Williams So, returns
Spradling So, transfers to Washburn, about his skill level
Gipson Fr, enrolls with scholarship
Diaz Fr, does prep for one year
Rodriguez-Trioche Fr, enrolls with scholarhip

Bet you thought the same about Steven Henson.  :opcat: <-----------this exept with a black hood.


I get where the comparison comes from, people love comparing white players to other white players without fail, but I remember my dad telling me about steve henson's ridiculous kansas high jump record or something and how insane of an athlete he was coming into k-state. I don't think him and Spradling are all that alike of players, really. (Not a knock on Spradling at all).
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Benja on November 11, 2010, 08:17:39 PM
Sprads is going to play a pretty decent amount of minutes (as a true freshman) for a top 5 team.  How does he have D2 skills again?

Damn it, now my post makes me look like a dumbass. Thanks jtksu for supporting me.  :facepalm:

No, your post was okay.  Sprads hate at this point is unfounded.  

I believe he is gonna turn into one of those players opposing fans go, "He hasn't graduated yet???"

I would love to finally have one of those guys. eff Jeff Boschee. (sp?)
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: kstatefreak42 on November 11, 2010, 11:36:37 PM
not sure where to post this but


I asked Devon when he will start playing... next semester?


He replied in a few games
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 11, 2010, 11:59:19 PM
They keep saying it's just a matter of straightening some details out.  The sooner the better, I want him playing at full speed by conference.  He could really prove to be an X-factor this year.  95!!!
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: EMAWzified on November 13, 2010, 01:02:08 PM
Have no idea how Martin is going to shoehorn us into the limit if Reed wants a scholarship (don't see one there for Lawrence). There isn't anyone who if he leaves we won't be here doing a Fred Brown thing.
I guess Irving and Spradling are the most expendable. Admit I way underestimated Spradling.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 13, 2010, 01:06:24 PM
Sprads ain't going anywhere and I doubt Irving does.  We're going to need all the guards we have next year.  Reed already said he doesn't think he'll get a schollie.  He can pay instate one year before he heads to the league.  Hopefully Diaz goes prep for a year like JO did.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: steve dave on November 13, 2010, 01:11:08 PM
Sprads ain't going anywhere and I doubt Irving does.  We're going to need all the guards we have next year.  Reed already said he doesn't think he'll get a schollie.  He can pay instate one year before he heads to the league.  Hopefully Diaz goes prep for a year like JO did.

I don't think Reed is going to make it here
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 13, 2010, 01:28:19 PM
Unless Reed decides to go juco, I can't imagine he would go anywhere but MHK.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: steve dave on November 13, 2010, 01:35:43 PM
Unless Reed decides to go juco, I can't imagine he would go anywhere but MHK.

rumblings it's not up to him
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 13, 2010, 01:39:57 PM
Hmmm.  Intriguing.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: Kat Kid on November 13, 2010, 01:45:01 PM
Sprads ain't going anywhere and I doubt Irving does.  We're going to need all the guards we have next year.  Reed already said he doesn't think he'll get a schollie.  He can pay instate one year before he heads to the league.  Hopefully Diaz goes prep for a year like JO did.

This.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: CNS on November 13, 2010, 01:47:06 PM
Unless Reed decides to go juco, I can't imagine he would go anywhere but MHK.

rumblings it's not up to him

pops?

handler?
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 13, 2010, 02:08:16 PM
Pops certainly sounded like he was onboard.  :dunno:  maybe he's not a "good fit?"
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: steve dave on November 13, 2010, 02:10:47 PM
Unless Reed decides to go juco, I can't imagine he would go anywhere but MHK.

rumblings it's not up to him

pops?

handler?

grades
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 13, 2010, 03:30:53 PM
So enroll his ass @ Cloud or MCC and we'll see him next year.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: scottwildcat on November 15, 2010, 09:58:24 AM
Reed needs to get here for next year i'm super cereal
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: CNS on November 15, 2010, 09:59:49 AM
remind me, does the NCAA give a crap if the year off is spent enrolled or just rough ridin' around at home in pop's garage?
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: RTB on November 15, 2010, 10:08:27 AM
remind me, does the NCAA give a crap if the year off is spent enrolled or just rough ridin' around at home in pop's garage?

I believe once you start your first day of collegiate sports, your clock starts ticking. Which you have 5 years to play 4, with injuries and so forth. So he can eff around at home, but his clock is still rolling. Is this what you were asking?
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: CNS on November 15, 2010, 10:14:28 AM
remind me, does the NCAA give a cac if the year off is spent enrolled or just effing around at home in pop's garage?

I believe once you start your first day of collegiate sports, your clock starts ticking. Which you have 5 years to play 4, with injuries and so forth. So he can eff around at home, but his clock is still rolling. Is this what you were asking?

Not really.  He has to sit a year since transferring, does he have to be enrolled for this year to start ticking away?
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: RTB on November 15, 2010, 10:25:17 AM
I have always known it as "Division I is five calendar years within first full time enrollment." Regardless if you are in school or not.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: AzCat on November 15, 2010, 10:47:56 AM
I have always known it as "Division I is five calendar years within first full time enrollment." Regardless if you are in school or not.

According to the NCAA it was the rule even before it was the rule. (http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20100523/SPORTS/305239977)

Quote
Tennessee Tech coach Mike Sutton, who said he “looked forward” to having Mink on his team this season, turned over Mink’s college information to his rules compliance director, who, in turn, contacted the NCAA.

The NCAA found a problem: Mink first played college basketball in 1955-56 for Lees Junior College of Jackson, Ky. NCAA rules allow players five years to play four seasons.

Mink’s five-year window, according to the NCAA, started when he enrolled at Lees in 1955, making him ineligible to play at Tennessee Tech this year.

“We got bad news,” Sutton said. “The NCAA said Ken would not be eligible to play for us or any other NCAA team because of their 5-4 Rule. The 5-4 Rule says you must complete your four years of college play within a five-year period. They say Ken’s 5-4 Rule clock started in 1955 when he was in junior college. We think his 5-4 clock should not have started until 2008, when he played for Roane State.”

The 5-4 Rule was implemented by the NCAA decades after Mink first played college basketball. Sutton said “it is not fair to subject him to a rule that never existed when he first played college ball.”
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 15, 2010, 11:17:19 AM
The dude is asking if Reed has to be enrolled during the one year period that he must sit out due to transer rules.  I am under the impression that you needed to be enrolled but not necessarily play.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 15, 2010, 11:18:13 AM
Play if he went to a juco that is.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: RLCoach on November 15, 2010, 11:44:14 AM
Doesn't Omari have some rich family friend/KSU alum back on Connecticut that was rumored to be paying his 'tion once his spirit quest in Concordia is over?  :dunno:

Meat Sauce, do you know how many words end in "tion"?  I don't either, but it is probably too many to count, plus you can add it to about any word to make up a brand new word, so just spell out tuition! :curse:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: CNS on November 15, 2010, 01:07:13 PM
The dude is asking if Reed has to be enrolled during the one year period that he must sit out due to transer rules. 

Yes, this was what I was asking.  The 5 to play 4 rule is easy.  Was asking for clarification on transfers and the sit period. 

I am under the impression that you needed to be enrolled but not necessarily play.

This is what I thought as well, but was hoping for confirmation.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 15, 2010, 02:18:25 PM
The dude is asking if Reed has to be enrolled during the one year period that he must sit out due to transer rules. 

Yes, this was what I was asking.  The 5 to play 4 rule is easy.  Was asking for clarification on transfers and the sit period. 

I am under the impression that you needed to be enrolled but not necessarily play.

This is what I thought as well, but was hoping for confirmation.

I was told that by Sys, I believe.  Or maybe Underdog.  Either way, I am satisfied when one of those 2 says something.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 15, 2010, 02:26:16 PM
The dude is asking if Reed has to be enrolled during the one year period that he must sit out due to transer rules. 

Yes, this was what I was asking.  The 5 to play 4 rule is easy.  Was asking for clarification on transfers and the sit period. 

I am under the impression that you needed to be enrolled but not necessarily play.

This is what I thought as well, but was hoping for confirmation.

I was told that by Sys, I believe.  Or maybe Underdog.  Either way, I am satisfied when one of those 2 says something.

Unless an exception is met, all transfer student-athletes must meet the "residence requirement" to be eligible to compete in intercollegiate basketball. The residence requirement stipulates that a student must be enrolled in and complete a minimum number of full-time credits for two semesters or three quarters, or at least enroll in and pass the minimum number of full-time credits for two semesters or three quarters. Summer terms do not count as semesters, but can contribute to the credit requirement.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: CNS on November 15, 2010, 02:28:15 PM
So, Reed is basically not an option until Dec 2011 at this point.

If this guy is an early draft kid, why even re-enroll anywhere?  Gotta think the first round draft talk is overinflated if he is trying to get into another school at this point.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 15, 2010, 02:33:08 PM
So, Reed is basically not an option until Dec 2011 at this point.

If this guy is an early draft kid, why even re-enroll anywhere?  Gotta think the first round draft talk is overinflated if he is trying to get into another school at this point.

If he is able to get enrolled in some 8 wk online stuff, he may be able to pass the need hours for this semester and be eligible for next fall.  SD says grades are an issue here, which is weird because I haven't seen anywhere from SLU that grades were a problem there.  However, seems like he could still take some classes at Cloud this semester and either KSU or Cloud in the spring and meet the residency requirements.  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 15, 2010, 02:34:33 PM
So, Reed is basically not an option until Dec 2011 at this point.

If this guy is an early draft kid, why even re-enroll anywhere?  Gotta think the first round draft talk is overinflated if he is trying to get into another school at this point.

If he is able to get enrolled in some 8 wk online stuff, he may be able to pass the need hours for this semester and be eligible for next fall.  SD says grades are an issue here, which is weird because I haven't seen anywhere from SLU that grades were a problem there.  However, seems like he could still take some classes at Cloud this semester and either KSU or Cloud in the spring and meet the residency requirements.  :dunno:

Also, I think he is a fringe 1st round guy and those projections are assuming that he would have had another strong year at SLU.  I don't think Reed is one of those surefire lottery guys that is basically just killing time before the draft...
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: CNS on November 15, 2010, 02:35:56 PM
There are only 7 weeks left in the 2010 calendar year, some of which is spend off for holidays, and that is counting today.

Somehow, I don't see this working out.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: AzCat on November 15, 2010, 02:45:30 PM
Gotta think the first round draft talk is overinflated if he is trying to get into another school at this point.

Seems like it. (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/willie-reed)   :ck:

Of course they seem to think he's already at KSU.   :ck: :ck:
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 15, 2010, 02:45:56 PM
There are only 7 weeks left in the 2010 calendar year, some of which is spend off for holidays, and that is counting today.

Somehow, I don't see this working out.

True but the kid said he was planning on enrolling several weeks ago, right after the transfer news broke.  I don't know how online classes work and I don't know how juco classes work.  At the very least, it's a stretch to see him eligible for next fall.  But, if he was ready for next conference season, that would still be pretty cool.  (Provided he spends next fall practicing with the team.)
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: CNS on November 15, 2010, 02:48:09 PM
Hope I am wrong, but I am going to go ahead and assume we don't need to worry about numbers for Reed until there is obvious evidence to the contrary. 
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 15, 2010, 02:48:39 PM
Hope I am wrong, but I am going to go ahead and assume we don't need to worry about numbers for Reed until there is obvious evidence to the contrary. 

Yep.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: mcmwcat on November 15, 2010, 03:47:02 PM
reed will proabably show up in 3 years after the team has already been practicing for a couple weeks.
Title: Re: 2011/2012 scholly count
Post by: jtksu on November 15, 2010, 03:47:41 PM
reed will proabably show up in 3 years after the team has already been practicing for a couple weeks.

As a walkon?   :drool: