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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on September 05, 2010, 02:36:10 PM
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for those that didn't see he just threw a beautiful go route TD pass.
First start . . . 11 for 20 for 130 yards and 5 for 30 rushing so far.
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Please stop reminding everyone about WRSOAT and their QB failures. TIA
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No K-State offer . . .
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I remember that guy. The knock against him was that his teammates were too dominant.
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So we shouldn't have recruited him because his teammates helped him to play well??
FYI . . . he threw a pick late in the half, which hurt a chance to score before halftime, however it was deep in Tulsa's territory
Not saying the kid would be all world, but he clearly is athletic, mobile and has a strong arm and doesn't need to take a wind up like Nolan Ryan to get the ball 30 yards down the field.
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Now 21 for 36 267 yards and 3 TD's and he's rushed for another one. First start at D1 level.
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clearly the young man lacked the requisite "intrinsic qualities"
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clearly the young man lacked the requisite "intrinsic qualities"
good call
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Just to rid ourselves of the usual powerespect excuses.
Yes it's C-USA, and in case you haven't notice more and more of college football looks like C-USA offenses. Is there any doubt a capable, true dual threat QB running K-State's offense yesterday means we are popping our collars about halfway through the 4th qtr yesterday??
Playing in front of just1,000 fewer people than were at our game yesterday, and on national TV just like our game. Also no signs of tossing his TACO's 20 times or needing an IV.
Oh . . . did I say first start with a first year coaching staff.
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ECU v Tulsa was nationally televised? Weird.
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Only a couple of games going on today.
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D. Davis just engineered the game winning drive.
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5 TD passes . . .
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27 for 46 for 385 yards. TD to Int ratio 5:1
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'grats to Ruffin McNeil
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Well thought out prayer play . . . he put a little air under it, but not that much under the ball, put it in a spot and let his 6-8 receiver go get it. It's either going to be a TD or PI.
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Oh, I just assumed this thread was from yesterday...
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LOL ECU won on a Hail Mary at the end to a 6'8 TE
That could've been Andre :frown:
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Ft. Scott's coach doesn't let any K-State coaches talk to players and try's to keep players from attending K-State. Something happened during the Prince era or something.
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Ft. Scott's coach doesn't let any K-State coaches talk to players and try's to keep players from attending K-State. Something happened during the Prince era or something.
The players thought Prince was wierd and a little creepy.
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I see, so OB hasn't calmed the waters with the Ft. Scott coach.
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Garrett and 3 other dudes are from FSCC. :dunno:
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Garrett and 3 other dudes are from FSCC. :dunno:
Correct. That's how we stumbled upon this Davis during the recruiting season last year. No one could figure out why we didn't go after him until someone suggested that he was just a product of his teammates being too dominant...which is obviously insane.
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Garrett and 3 other dudes are from FSCC. :dunno:
Correct. That's how we stumbled upon this Davis during the recruiting season last year. No one could figure out why we didn't go after him until someone suggested that he was just a product of his teammates being too dominant...which is obviously insane.
How sad for us then . . . kid had over 400 yards of total offense and completed 58% of his passes in his first game.
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Garrett and 3 other dudes are from FSCC. :dunno:
Correct. That's how we stumbled upon this Davis during the recruiting season last year. No one could figure out why we didn't go after him until someone suggested that he was just a product of his teammates being too dominant...which is obviously insane.
I got a chance to watch him play twice last season, once in the Jayhawk conference championship game against Butler, and once in the national championship game vs. Blinn.
I'm glad to see the kid is having some success at the DI-A level, but I was unimpressed with him both outings and thought our coaches made the rigth decision in not offering him. He had the size of a prototypical college QB and moved pretty well but lacked vision, was inaccurate, and did little to make me think he would succeed at this level.
Of course hindsight is 20/20 and looking at what we got and how he did in his first game, it's easy to say we should've offered, but, at the time, there was no reason to think he would be successful at as a BCS starting QB.
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Garrett and 3 other dudes are from FSCC. :dunno:
Correct. That's how we stumbled upon this Davis during the recruiting season last year. No one could figure out why we didn't go after him until someone suggested that he was just a product of his teammates being too dominant...which is obviously insane.
I got a chance to watch him play twice last season, once in the Jayhawk conference championship game against Butler, and once in the national championship game vs. Blinn.
I'm glad to see the kid is having some success at the DI-A level, but I was unimpressed with him both outings and thought our coaches made the rigth decision in not offering him. He had the size of a prototypical college QB and moved pretty well but lacked vision, was inaccurate, and did little to make me think he would succeed at this level.
Of course hindsight is 20/20 and looking at what we got and how he did in his first game, it's easy to say we should've offered, but, at the time, there was no reason to think he would be successful at as a BCS starting QB.
Yeah, my all time favorite tard talking point from last season post-rationalizing Snyder's QB recruiting failure was that Cameron Newton was the ONLY juco quarterback on the planet worthy of a scholarship offer. Still love it. Cam Newton or bust, because everyone else is worthless - more worthless than three quarterbacks currently on the roster that wouldn't start for Washburn.
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Garrett and 3 other dudes are from FSCC. :dunno:
Correct. That's how we stumbled upon this Davis during the recruiting season last year. No one could figure out why we didn't go after him until someone suggested that he was just a product of his teammates being too dominant...which is obviously insane.
I got a chance to watch him play twice last season, once in the Jayhawk conference championship game against Butler, and once in the national championship game vs. Blinn.
I'm glad to see the kid is having some success at the DI-A level, but I was unimpressed with him both outings and thought our coaches made the rigth decision in not offering him. He had the size of a prototypical college QB and moved pretty well but lacked vision, was inaccurate, and did little to make me think he would succeed at this level.
Of course hindsight is 20/20 and looking at what we got and how he did in his first game, it's easy to say we should've offered, but, at the time, there was no reason to think he would be successful at as a BCS starting QB.
You can say the same thing about just about any JC QB. But lets think about this for a second. We are willing to bring in a kid who didn't even start for his junior college and ultimately give him a scholarship because golly look at what he did on that scout team . . . but we won't even offer a kid like Davis when we are in dire need of QB depth?? That's just fascinating.
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Yeah, my all time favorite tard talking point from last season post-rationalizing Snyder's QB recruiting failure was that Cameron Newton was the ONLY juco quarterback on the planet worthy of a scholarship offer. Still love it. Cam Newton or bust, because everyone else is worthless - more worthless than three quarterbacks currently on the roster that wouldn't start for Washburn.
And if you had seen Davis play, you would be saying he wouldn't start for Washburn either. There were other QBs in last year's JUCO class I was hoping our coaches would make a stronger push for in addition to Newton, and Davis wasn't one of them.
Like I said, the kid had size and average speed for a dual-threat and that was about it. There's a reason why ECU was his only offer, and if they took a chance on him and it pays off, props to them to taking a roll of the dice and succeeding.
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It's hard to gauge some of these juco kids in KS. There are quite a few that have absolutely no intention of spending anymore time in KS that absolutely necessary. I'm sure we looked at him and for whatever reason, we decided not to offer. It's not like we're the only team in the country that passed on this kid.
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Yeah, my all time favorite tard talking point from last season post-rationalizing Snyder's QB recruiting failure was that Cameron Newton was the ONLY juco quarterback on the planet worthy of a scholarship offer. Still love it. Cam Newton or bust, because everyone else is worthless - more worthless than three quarterbacks currently on the roster that wouldn't start for Washburn.
And if you had seen Davis play, you would be saying he wouldn't start for Washburn either. There were other QBs in last year's JUCO class I was hoping our coaches would make a stronger push for in addition to Newton, and Davis wasn't one of them.
Like I said, the kid had size and average speed for a dual-threat and that was about it. There's a reason why ECU was his only offer, and if they took a chance on him and it pays off, props to them to taking a roll of the dice and succeeding.
Obviously, ECU saw something.
Stop acting like you're a better evaluator of talent than a coach at a BCS football program.
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In fact . . . ECU wanted the kid so bad that new staff flew out to Kansas to convince him to stick with ECU. In addition, he originally signed with Boston College and then transferred. Which makes me wonder if Steve Logan didn't tell the ECU staff about this kid.
Let's see, who do I want to give the lean towards?? jt or the Boston College and ECU coaching staff. Particularly if Steve Logan was in anyway involved with this.
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Holy $hit . . . now it even gets worse. I had no idea on the back story on this kid. He started 3 F'ing games at BC as a Redshirt Freshman with Steve Logan as the QB coach.
So we had a guy at Ft. Scott, he started 3 games at BC, only left because of academic issues, even though he could have, he didn't sign with ECU in Feb. because of Holtz leaving . . . and K-State never even offered.
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Holy $hit . . . now it even gets worse. I had no idea on the back story on this kid. He started 3 F'ing games at BC as a Redshirt Freshman with Steve Logan as the QB coach.
So we had a guy at Ft. Scott, he started 3 games at BC, only left because of academic issues, even though he could have, he didn't sign with ECU in Feb. because of Holtz leaving . . . and K-State never even offered.
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...and neither did about 115 other Div-IA programs, but what do all those coaches know anyways?
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WRSOAT man, it takes hard work to get that name.
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...and neither did about 115 other Div-IA programs, but what do all those coaches know anyways?
Right, and how many other BCS programs don't have a single legitimate D-1 QB on their roster? Just name a couple.
Are you seriously going to tell me that you think Dominique Davis is a worse option that Carson fracking Coffman?
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...and neither did about 115 other Div-IA programs, but what do all those coaches know anyways?
Right, and how many other BCS programs don't have a single legitimate D-1 QB on their roster? Just name a couple.
Are you seriously going to tell me that you think Dominique Davis is a worse option that Carson fracking Coffman?
Have you even seen Davis play? I have, and there were better options out there than him. Look at his numbers and at least do some research on the guy before you go touting him as the the savior of the K-State QB position.
Coffman could have been unseated by MANY JUCO QBs in the last year's class, so by your logic we should have offered every single one of them?!? Comical
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...and neither did about 115 other Div-IA programs, but what do all those coaches know anyways?
Right, and how many other BCS programs don't have a single legitimate D-1 QB on their roster? Just name a couple.
Are you seriously going to tell me that you think Dominique Davis is a worse option that Carson fracking Coffman?
Have you even seen Davis play? I have, and there were better options out there than him. Look at his numbers and at least do some research on the guy before you go touting him as the the savior of the K-State QB position.
Coffman could have been unseated by MANY JUCO QBs in the last year's class, so by your logic we should have offered every single one of them?!? Comical
Yes. We should have offered every single JUCO qb in the country that was better than Coffman and signed one of them.
Davis. Not good enough for Special K, but good enough for Boston College and ECU. You're right.
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Dax and Wabash- smarter and better judges of talent than 118 D1 coaching staffs, including the HOF LHC Bill Snyder. Jezzuz, dudes why are you wasting your time on this board? You should be like co-presidents of the freaking NCAA!!
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You know who is an incredible judge of talent? Ron Prince. Dude was the only coach in the country who wanted DT to play RB, everyone else thought he was a safety!!
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Dax and Wabash- smarter and better judges of talent than 118 D1 coaching staffs, including the HOF LHC Bill Snyder. Jezzuz, dudes why are you wasting your time on this board? You should be like co-presidents of the freaking NCAA!!
Wow.
:powerespect:
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If only you had been on some coaching staff somewhere, you could have said: "Hey, Mr Head Coach, I realize I have absolutely no coaching experience whatsoever but I spend a lot of time on the internet and I believe this qb from Ft Scott CC is worthy of a scolarship!" "Is that so, Mr Assistant Coach, cause I had no freaking idea this kid even existed and was not planning on offering him crap because I am stupid and smell like poop." Wabash, you could have altered the course of history!!
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Yes. We should have offered every single JUCO qb in the country that was better than Coffman and signed one of them.
Davis. Not good enough for Special K, but good enough for Boston College and ECU. You're right.
Seriously man, you should just stop now. You act like Boston College and ECU are powerhouse programs. It's not like USC or Miami offered this kid and we completely blew him off. He was not a talent in the juco ranks, and anybody that follows KS Jayhawk conference juco football or knew anything about him would agree.
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If only you had been on some coaching staff somewhere, you could have said: "Hey, Mr Head Coach, I realize I have absolutely no coaching experience whatsoever but I spend a lot of time on the internet and I believe this qb from Ft Scott CC is worthy of a scolarship!" "Is that so, Mr Assistant Coach, cause I had no freaking idea this kid even existed and was not planning on offering him feces because I am stupid and smell like poop." Wabash, you could have altered the course of history!!
:facepalm:
Embarrassing.
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Yes. We should have offered every single JUCO qb in the country that was better than Coffman and signed one of them.
Davis. Not good enough for Special K, but good enough for Boston College and ECU. You're right.
Seriously man, you should just stop now. You act like Boston College and ECU are powerhouse programs. It's not like USC or Miami offered this kid and we completely blew him off. He was not a talent in the juco ranks, and anybody that follows KS Jayhawk conference juco football or knew anything about him would agree.
Stick with the "I saw him play one time and I thought he sucked" bit.
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Wabash- How many times did you watch him play?
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K-State didn't even offer, and he had 5 D1 offers coming out of high school. Please go be a dumbass somewhere else.
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How many out of juco?
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Dude was a 2* out of high school with 1 BCS offer, the school that signed him. Exactly the type of player Dax would bitch like crazy if KSU offered.
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What does that matter?? We didn't even offer . . . you're actually going to sit there and try and argue that the kid isn't a capable D1 QB when he's now thrown for over 1000 yards and 10 TD's in Four (yes FOUR) D1 starts?? We . . . didn't . . . even . . . offer . . . and instead we start Carsy Coffman, with Klein and Sammy "Didn't even hardly play at my Juco" Lameur as the backups.
You're pathetic.
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Dude was a 2* out of high school with 1 BCS offer, the school that signed him. Exactly the type of player Dax would bitch like crazy if KSU offered.
When I know we aren't even going to get ANY of the guys we were supposedly after last year . . . plus on the old board, I talked about how we didn't even offer the kid and how F_cking dumb that was in light of the FACT we weren't going to get ANY of the guys we were after.
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Talking football with Dax is like talking pork with Saul. rough ridin' pointless.
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Talking football with Dax is like talking pork with Saul. fracking pointless.
1000 plus yards and 10 TD's in four starts at the D1 level . . . meanwhile Carsy Coffman will be lucky to duplicate that in 12 starts. 400 yards plus of total offense in his first start under a brand new coaching staff in a brand new system.
You're an incredible dumbass.
Oh but wait, how many offers did he have coming out of Ft. Scott?? The Tard logic of jtksu. Hey look at all the guys K-State was after last year . . . and how many did they get, the Dumb and Dumber coaches kid out of Maryland.
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Talking football with Dax is like talking pork with Saul. fracking pointless.
1000 plus yards and 10 TD's in four starts at the D1 level . . . meanwhile Carsy Coffman will be lucky to duplicate that in 12 starts. 400 yards plus of total offense in his first start under a brand new coaching staff in a brand new system.
You're an incredible dumbass.
Oh but wait, how many offers did he have coming out of Ft. Scott?? The Tard logic of jtksu. Hey look at all the guys K-State was after last year . . . and how many did they get, the Dumb and Dumber coaches kid out of Maryland.
And look at his stats while at Fort Scott. There's a reason why no major DI-A programs offered the kid outside of ECU.
Tard logic is thinking that one decent game against TULSA, where BTW, the opposing QB outgained Davis in passing yards, completion percentage, and had the same TD:Int ratio, makes a great QB. I guess we probably should've offered Tulsa's Kinne too? LOL
Quality post, dax. Maybe do a little research before you try trying to justify idiotic statements the next time.
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Dax was told by the KSU athletic department- "Thanks but no thanks, we don't want you as a fan anymore." Since that day, he has clearly made it his life's mission to spend every waking minute talking crap on KSU message boards. Dax- the jilted lover. Hell hath no fury like a Dax scorned. Why are you talking crap on Cosh now? All he did was set about every state passing record in Maryland. Now way should we have signed that kid. We should have signed the juco kid that only one team in the entire nation wanted. Yeah, let's sign that kid. :facepalm:
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Yeah, my all time favorite tard talking point from last season post-rationalizing Snyder's QB recruiting failure was that Cameron Newton was the ONLY juco quarterback on the planet worthy of a scholarship offer. Still love it. Cam Newton or bust, because everyone else is worthless - more worthless than three quarterbacks currently on the roster that wouldn't start for Washburn.
And if you had seen Davis play, you would be saying he wouldn't start for Washburn either. There were other QBs in last year's JUCO class I was hoping our coaches would make a stronger push for in addition to Newton, and Davis wasn't one of them.
Like I said, the kid had size and average speed for a dual-threat and that was about it. There's a reason why ECU was his only offer, and if they took a chance on him and it pays off, props to them to taking a roll of the dice and succeeding.
Obviously, ECU saw something.
Stop acting like you're a better evaluator of talent than a coach at a BCS football program.
Dax and Wabash- smarter and better judges of talent than 118 D1 coaching staffs, including the HOF LHC Bill Snyder. Jezzuz, dudes why are you wasting your time on this board? You should be like co-presidents of the freaking NCAA!!
Wow.
:powerespect:
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Wabash- How many times did you watch him play?
You don't simply get it, do you? Unlike Special K, I don't pretend to be a college football talent evaluator.
I do trust a coaching staff at Boston College who also happened to recruit Matt Ryan and another one in ECU more than a I do some random douche on a message board when it comes to talent analysis, however.
Tard logic is going to one fracking JUCO game at Fort Scott, watching the dude play and writing off all his ability on your clipboard like you're some sort of fracking expert.
I'll tell you what I am qualified to grasp is that we had three QB's on scholarship last year and none of them could beat out a transfer from South Florida with one arm that transferred to the program in August. It takes a monkey to identify this is a critical recruiting need.
At the end of the day, this isn't about Dominique Davis. Davis is one part of an overall systemic problem. But, not surprisingly this is too complex for you to understand. Nobody is saying this guy is the next Joe Montana, you dumbass.
What we're saying is, at least offer the kid a scholarship. shazbot!, take a flier. Is he the best JUCO quarterback in the land? Probably not. Is he better than most of the options you've currently got on your roster and would he generate some competition at the very least? Yes.
It's not the end of the world to not land Davis. The problem is not landing anything at the position, when there were a number of obviously viable options available out there last season outside of Cameron Newton (Davis being one of them) , and then just throwing your fracking hands up in the air when you strike out on your supposed top choice that was a pipe dream to begin with.
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Dax was told by the KSU athletic department- "Thanks but no thanks, we don't want you as a fan anymore." Since that day, he has clearly made it his life's mission to spend every waking minute talking feces on KSU message boards. Dax- the jilted lover. Hell hath no fury like a Dax scorned. Why are you talking feces on Cosh now? All he did was set about every state passing record in Maryland. Now way should we have signed that kid. We should have signed the juco kid that only one team in the entire nation wanted. Yeah, let's sign that kid. :facepalm:
I am season ticket holder and Ahearn contributor . . . I was "reinstated" several years ago. You're taking powerespect to never before seen levels on this board jt . . . keep it up.
A starting D1 capable QB was playing JC ball in Kansas, and K-State after striking out on a much needed JC QB recruits didn't even offer the kid a scholarship, and K-State even had more time to try to sway the kid because the kid waited to sign with ECU until their coaching situation was settled, so he wasn't even signed with ECU on signing day. I could be wrong, I believe he's even a 3 to play 3 kid since he qualified right out of high school. So you can continue powerespect this board up all want, but D Davis is a textbook example of the failure of QB recruiting at K-State.
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the prince of darkness slaughtering the eff out of tards since before time. :popcorn:
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Wabash- How many times did you watch him play?
You don't simply get it, do you? Unlike Special K, I don't pretend to be a college football talent evaluator.
I do trust a coaching staff at Boston College who also happened to recruit Matt Ryan and another one in ECU more than a I do some random douche on a message board when it comes to talent analysis, however.
Tard logic is going to one fracking JUCO game at Fort Scott, watching the dude play and writing off all his ability on your clipboard like you're some sort of fracking expert.
I'll tell you what I am qualified to grasp is that we had three QB's on scholarship last year and none of them could beat out a transfer from South Florida with one arm that transferred to the program in August. It takes a monkey to identify this is a critical recruiting need.
At the end of the day, this isn't about Dominique Davis. Davis is one part of an overall systemic problem. But, not surprisingly this is too complex for you to understand. Nobody is saying this guy is the next Joe Montana, you dumbass.
What we're saying is, at least offer the kid a scholarship. shazbot!, take a flier. Is he the best JUCO quarterback in the land? Probably not. Is he better than most of the options you've currently got on your roster and would he generate some competition at the very least? Yes.
It's not the end of the world to not land Davis. The problem is not landing anything at the position, when there were a number of obviously viable options available out there last season outside of Cameron Newton (Davis being one of them) , and then just throwing your fracking hands up in the air when you strike out on your supposed top choice that was a pipe dream to begin with.
I saw him play twice in person, and by you and dax sitting here and pointing to one game with some scewed stats (a game which you probably didn't even watch) against a weak opponent you're doing exactly what you claim I'm doing--i.e. pretending to be a talent evaluator. At least I can say I've seen the kid play in person twice.
I'm not disagreeing that our QB recruiting is abysmal, but you don't go offering every kid with two arms and plays juco ball somewhere. Like I said, there were other options at QB in addition to Cam Newton that I was hoping we would make a push for that we didn't go after or didn't get. I don't hold it against our coaches for not offering Davis, though, because, in all honesty, I don't think he's a Big XII talent (not saying our own QBs are either, for clarification) and I'll stand by that statement.
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Not pretending to do anything. Plus, I clearly stated it was C-USA football, and I didn't call Tulsa some sort of Steel Curtain defense either. What I did point out was other intangibles like first game, new staff etc. etc.
At BC he earned the back up spot to a good upper classman as a RS-Freshman, he played against Wake Forest (half game), he started against Maryland, Virginia Tech and Vandy.
You can't put a lot into what a kid in that situation does at a JC because a whole bunch of other variables get tossed in.
What else needs to be said, the kid signed out of High School with BC, he earned the back up spot as a RS Freshman, he had 3 D1 starts against ACC and SEC competition, he was a 3 to play 3 kid playing at Kansas JC, and K-State apparently didn't even offer him . . . and that's with the kid waiting to sign because of an uncertain coaching situation at ECU. Like I said, the ECU coaches flew out to convince him to stick to ECU so apparently at one point there were some doubts.
I just want to make sure I've got the logic right though. K-State welcomes a 6th year senior lifetime back up from South Florida with open arms, but we don't even offer a kid like D. Davis?? That's absolutely fascinating to me.
I'll stack Steve Logan up against Grandpa Del Miller on QB evaluation all day and twice on Sunday.
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how many division 1 games have you coached, prince of daxness?
boom roasted. :party:
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Breakin' records