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Title: Depth Chart
Post by: PoetWarrior on August 31, 2010, 10:06:57 AM
http://www.kstatesports.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ksu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/DepthChart-UCLA


No Tigner - my only thoughts.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: EllToPay on August 31, 2010, 10:09:58 AM
Copy/Paste for the elite business travelers?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: slackcat on August 31, 2010, 10:14:26 AM
"OLADIPO FAJIMOLU..........Oh-luh-DEE-poe FAH-gee-moe-loo"   
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: MadCat on August 31, 2010, 10:23:23 AM
K-STATE DEPTH CHART VS UCLA


SPECIALISTS

KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

PK 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

HOLD 9 Ryan Doerr (6-3, 189, So.-1L)

LS 42 Corey Adams (6-4, 251, Sr.-3L)
63 Marcus Heit (6-3, 235, Fr.-RS)

P 9 Ryan Doerr (6-3, 189, So.-1L)
17 George Pierson (5-11, 204, Sr.-1L)

KOR 16 Terrance Sweeney (5-9, 177, Sr.-1L)
5 Brodrick Smith (6-2, 212, So.-RS)

PR 5 Brodrick Smith (6-2, 212, So.-RS)
86 Tramaine Thompson (5-7, 164, Fr.-RS)


OFFENSE

WR 5 Brodrick Smith (6-2, 212, So.-RS)
82 Adrian Hilburn (6-1, 196, Sr.-1L)

LT 73 Manase Foketi (6-5, 300, Jr.-TR)
70 Zach Hanson (6-8, 305, Jr.-1L)

LG 59 Zach Kendall (6-2, 317, Sr.-2L)
79 Keenan Taylor (6-4, 280, Fr.-RS)

C 74 Wade Weibert (6-4, 303, Sr.-1L)
54 Trevor Viers (6-5, 292, Sr.-2L)

RG 67 Kenneth Mayfield (6-4, 349, Sr.-2L)
77 Colten Freeze (6-4, 294, Jr.-2L)

RT 71 Ethan Douglas (6-6, 300, So.-SQ) OR
75 Clyde Aufner (6-5, 300, Jr.-2L)

TE 80 Travis Tannahill (6-3, 249, So.-1L)
18 Andre McDonald (6-8, 277, Fr.-RS)

QB 14 Carson Coffman (6-3, 211, Sr.-3L)
7 Collin Klein (6-5, 230, So.-1L) OR
13 Sammuel Lamur (6-4, 210, Jr.-RS)

FB 37 Braden Wilson (6-3, 254, So.-1L)
49 Lucas Hamm (6-2, 241, Sr.-SQ)

RB 8 Daniel Thomas (6-2, 228, Sr.-1L)
33 John Hubert (5-7, 185, Fr.-RS)

WR 86 Tramaine Thompson (5-7, 164, Fr.-RS)
3 Chris Harper (6-1, 232, So.-RS)

WR 89 Aubrey Quarles (5-11, 200, Sr.-1L)
87 Sheldon Smith (5-11, 171, Sr.-1L)


DEFENSE

DE 91 Brandon Harold (6-5, 258, So.-1L)
57 Jordan Voelker (6-3, 244, Jr.-TR) OR
44 Josh Berard (6-1, 213, Sr.-1L)

DT 46 Prizell Brown (6-2, 284, Sr.-1L)
96 Payton Kirk (6-5, 262, Jr.-1L)

NT 95 Ray Kibble (6-4, 296, Jr.-TR)
94 Raphael Guidry (6-4, 282, Jr.-2L)

DE 40 Antonio Felder (6-1, 243, Sr.-2L)
55 Kadero Terrell (6-1, 242, Jr.-RS)

LB 56 Alex Hrebec (5-11, 247, Jr.-2L)
50 Tre Walker (6-3, 205, Fr.-HS) OR
45 Kevin Vulture (5-11, 224, Sr.-3L)

LB 26 Jarell Childs (6-1, 225, So.-1L)
53 Blake Slaughter (5-10, 230, So.-1L)

LB 21 Troy Butler (5-11, 197, Sr.-1L)
22 Thomas Ferguson (6-0, 198, So.-1L)

CB 16 Terrance Sweeney (5-9, 177, Sr.-1L)
27 David Garrett (5-8, 176, Jr.-1L)

S 2 Tysyn Hartman (6-3, 206, Jr.-2L)
12 Ty Zimmerman (6-1, 203, Fr.-HS)

FS 23 Emmanuel Lamur (6-4, 215, Jr.-1L)
28 Logan Dold (6-0, 185, Jr.-2L)

CB 8 Stephen Harrison (5-11, 180, Sr.-1L)
38 Matthew Pearson (5-8, 187, Jr.-TR)
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 31, 2010, 10:28:37 AM
I like Tre being 2nd string, and excited about the Zimmer at Safety.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: steve dave on August 31, 2010, 10:29:24 AM
I like Tre being 2nd string, and excited about the Zimmer at Safety.

have heard good things about Zimmer
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: CHONGS on August 31, 2010, 10:31:44 AM
I think we will be running to the right this year.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: 06wildcat on August 31, 2010, 10:34:23 AM
I like Tre being 2nd string, and excited about the Zimmer at Safety.

have heard good things about Zimmer

Can confirm that Zimmer is an elite athlete.  :gocho:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: PoetWarrior on August 31, 2010, 10:37:33 AM
Hard to look at a depth chart and come away happy.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: MeatSauce on August 31, 2010, 10:44:54 AM
I like Tre being 2nd string, and excited about the Zimmer at Safety.

How long do we have before the McGraw/Jordy/Simoneau/Campbell/smalltownkansaskidwhoworkshistailoff love fest?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: nicname on August 31, 2010, 10:53:22 AM
Our lb corps would Josh Buhl look like a 6'2" 245 LB monster.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Jmo on August 31, 2010, 10:54:34 AM
Hard to look at a depth chart and come away happy.

Very depressing.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: PoetWarrior on August 31, 2010, 11:01:03 AM
I like Tre being 2nd string, and excited about the Zimmer at Safety.

How long do we have before the McGraw/Jordy/Simoneau/Campbell/smalltownkansaskidwhoworkshistailoff love fest?

It had begun long before today.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: wabash909 on August 31, 2010, 11:02:20 AM
I like Tre being 2nd string, and excited about the Zimmer at Safety.

How long do we have before the McGraw/Jordy/Simoneau/Campbell/smalltownkansaskidwhoworkshistailoff love fest?

Zimmerman was the QB at Junction City, right?  I think Rivals had him pegged as a Division II prospect.  Did he end up walking on?  Scholarship?  Can't remember.....


Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: tdaver on August 31, 2010, 11:02:43 AM
javonta boyd?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: 06wildcat on August 31, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
I like Tre being 2nd string, and excited about the Zimmer at Safety.

How long do we have before the McGraw/Jordy/Simoneau/Campbell/smalltownkansaskidwhoworkshistailoff love fest?

Zimmerman was the QB at Junction City, right?  I think Rivals had him pegged as a Division II prospect.  Did he end up walking on?  Scholarship?  Can't remember.....




Yes, and I'm sure Rivals has all kinds of scouts scouring Kansas football to make evaluations. He's a legit D-1 prospect. Gray shirted last year, scholarship this year.

Edit: It's probably not a good thing that he's second string this year. Would feel a lot better about the defense if he were able to red shirt and get a full year in the system before being second string as a freshman.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: wabash909 on August 31, 2010, 11:28:55 AM
I like Tre being 2nd string, and excited about the Zimmer at Safety.

How long do we have before the McGraw/Jordy/Simoneau/Campbell/smalltownkansaskidwhoworkshistailoff love fest?

Zimmerman was the QB at Junction City, right?  I think Rivals had him pegged as a Division II prospect.  Did he end up walking on?  Scholarship?  Can't remember.....




Yes, and I'm sure Rivals has all kinds of scouts scouring Kansas football to make evaluations. He's a legit D-1 prospect. Gray shirted last year, scholarship this year.


Yeah, same guy I was thinking of.  Fringe D-1 prospect according to Rivals.  Was mostly being recruited at schools like N. Ill, CMSU, etc.  Cool if he works out.   



Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 11:34:11 AM
D-line doesn't look bad.  Secondary could be okay.  LBs... Don't like Hrbec in there but I'm okay with they other 2, except they're a small unit overall.  Harper not starting is probably a sign our WR corp is pretty good.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: DQ12 on August 31, 2010, 11:35:23 AM
Now this may be a LFBIQ question, but did we move away from the 4-2-5?  Shouldn't we have 3 safeties out there?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 11:38:08 AM
Butler is playing the hybrid lb/s spot, same as last year.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: wabash909 on August 31, 2010, 11:39:00 AM
Should I be concerened with this?:

RT 71 Ethan Douglas (6-6, 300, So.-SQ) OR
75 Clyde Aufner (6-5, 300, Jr.-2L)

I kind of am.


Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 11:42:03 AM
Rumblings that Aufner was banged up but the staff hasn't made any mention of it.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: DQ12 on August 31, 2010, 11:43:54 AM
Butler is playing the hybrid lb/s spot, same as last year.

That's what I thought, the listing as "CB" got me a little curious.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 31, 2010, 11:53:39 AM
I think we will be running to the right this year.

isn't Manase Foketi suppose to be decent? or are there other reasons?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 11:54:55 AM
Maybe cause the RG is 346 lbs?  Only thing I could think of...
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Belvis Noland on August 31, 2010, 12:16:11 PM
It's weird to have an OL with an avg. weight of +300lbs.  Seems so unconventional. 

-Ron Prince
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: TBL on August 31, 2010, 12:36:10 PM
PR      5 Brodrick Smith (6-2, 212, So.-RS)
          86 Tramaine Thompson (5-7, 164, Fr.-RS)

                                  :love:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: TBL on August 31, 2010, 12:37:20 PM
FS    23 Emmanuel Lamur (6-4, 215, Jr.-1L)
        28 Logan Dold (6-0, 185, Jr.-2L)              :barf:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 31, 2010, 12:51:26 PM
Quote
Tre Walker, I know Tre personally, we used to play basketball together. I gotta tell you he was one of the most immature douchebags Ive ever played with. He also thought he was the greatest thing God ever put on Earth. For the sake of KState football I hope he has matured and is actually coachable now. However, there is another part of me that kinda hopes he gets kicked off the team….For the record I always killed him in basketball lol

 :surprised:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: "storm"nut on August 31, 2010, 12:53:20 PM
KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

 :comehere:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: "storm"nut on August 31, 2010, 12:56:04 PM
Quote
Tre Walker, I know Tre personally, we used to play basketball together. I gotta tell you he was one of the most immature douchebags Ive ever played with. He also thought he was the greatest thing God ever put on Earth. For the sake of KState football I hope he has matured and is actually coachable now. However, there is another part of me that kinda hopes he gets kicked off the team….For the record I always killed him in basketball lol

 :surprised:

I have a feeling that Walker was schooling this dork and he is pissed so he ran to a BBS to talk crap cus he could not back it up.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: kstatefreak42 on August 31, 2010, 01:25:11 PM
How will Chris be utilized the most? 
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 01:28:17 PM
Harper?  Dude isn't even starting.  I kinda doubt we're going to go to extreme measures to get the ball in the hands of a back-up WR.  He needs to get crap together and break into the starting line-up, I really don't want him to wind up a bust.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: kstatefreak42 on August 31, 2010, 01:31:22 PM
Why would you not want to put the ball in his hands? The guy is fast, very quick and has good vision in the open field.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Poster formerly known as jthutch on August 31, 2010, 01:31:39 PM
I think we will run the Wildcat a lot with Harper, Thomas, and Klien.  Also lots of HB pass and WR reverse pass option.  There are going to be some incredible/creative plays this year on offense.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 31, 2010, 01:32:11 PM
Why would you not want to put the ball in his hands? The guy is fast, very quick and has good vision in the open field.

Are YOU doubting SNYDER?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 01:34:44 PM
Generally, the starters are the best players you have.  If Brod, Tremaine, and Quarles are outplaying Harper, I want the coaches to get the ball in their hands, not the hands of less talented players.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: PoetWarrior on August 31, 2010, 01:36:25 PM
Harper is being motivated, but I also hope it has to do with him being utilized elsewhere.

Do I agree with this style of motivation?

Absolutely not.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: kstatefreak42 on August 31, 2010, 01:38:52 PM
I understand what your saying.

But I still think were going to utilize his skills. via the Wildcat, throwing, running etc. And screens and quick slants.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Pete on August 31, 2010, 01:39:40 PM
You can't tell me it's better for the team to have Logan Dold on the field at Safety ahead of Harper.  It defies all rough ridin' logic.  
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: SwiftCat on August 31, 2010, 02:44:19 PM
KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

 :comehere:

I've heard some pretty insidery types saying this Cantele kid can regularly hit from 45+

Also that he can run 4.5 40. can you say fake FG attempt?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Benja on August 31, 2010, 03:16:42 PM
Harper?  Dude isn't even starting.  I kinda doubt we're going to go to extreme measures to get the ball in the hands of a back-up WR.  He needs to get crap together and break into the starting line-up, I really don't want him to wind up a bust.

Harper will touch the ball a ton. It's just a depth chart.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Benja on August 31, 2010, 03:19:07 PM
Generally, the starters are the best players you have.  If Brod, Tremaine, and Quarles are outplaying Harper, I want the coaches to get the ball in their hands, not the hands of less talented players.  :dunno:

Were you literally born yesterday?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: pissclams on August 31, 2010, 03:21:04 PM
Generally, the starters are the best players you have.  If Brod, Tremaine, and Quarles are outplaying Harper, I want the coaches to get the ball in their hands, not the hands of less talented players.  :dunno:

Were you literally born yesterday?
i know for a fact that he wasn't because he was posting here last week.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: steve dave on August 31, 2010, 03:23:21 PM
Generally, the starters are the best players you have.  If Brod, Tremaine, and Quarles are outplaying Harper, I want the coaches to get the ball in their hands, not the hands of less talented players.  :dunno:

Were you literally born yesterday?
i know for a fact that he wasn't because he was posting here last week.

further back than that.  he's minimum 1 year old.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: OK_Cat on August 31, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
what kind of 1 year old can type on a BBS? 

I call bullshit
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: DOD Take 2 on August 31, 2010, 03:35:36 PM

RB 8 Daniel Thomas (6-2, 228, Sr.-1L)
33 John Hubert (5-7, 185, Fr.-RS)




No Powell?   :dunno:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 03:37:26 PM
I only use 2 fingers and I have to look at my hands while typing.  Satisfied?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 03:40:52 PM
I can't wait to hear all the super insidery knowledge this board has about the plethora of ways Snyder is going to work to get the ball in the hands of a 2nd string WR.  As far as the wildcat goes, seems like it worked okay with the best player on our team running it.  We're not going to throw the ball a ton, so I doubt that the 4th (or 5th or 6th) option will have a hell of a lot of catches in a game.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: OK_Cat on August 31, 2010, 03:44:14 PM
I can't wait to hear all the super insidery knowledge this board has about the plethora of ways Snyder is going to work to get the ball in the hands of a 2nd string WR.  As far as the wildcat goes, seems like it worked okay with the best player on our team running it.  We're not going to throw the ball a ton, so I doubt that the 4th (or 5th or 6th) option will have a hell of a lot of catches in a game.

 :flush:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 03:48:54 PM
Guess that's how they admit defeat in Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on August 31, 2010, 03:52:02 PM
what kind of 1 year old can type on a BBS? 

I call bullshit

Mods, can we please make it manditory to provide a birth certificate for all users from now on?

TIA
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: OK_Cat on August 31, 2010, 03:54:06 PM
Guess that's how they admit defeat in Oklahoma.

It's obvious that you know nothing about football, or life in general.  But that makes sense, you're a 1 year old.  I bet you're freaking adorable, in that "look at the ugly baby" way.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Benja on August 31, 2010, 04:06:00 PM
It's obvious that you know nothing about football, or life in general.


He's got a point jtksu.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 04:12:41 PM
Please enlighten me on the ways of football, as I am obviously an idiot.  What offense is it that we run, the one where we gameplan around getting touches for our back-up WRs?  The super secret offense where Snyder attempts to fool everyone by burying the better players behind the lessor players on the depth chart.  The offense that some god damn wedding photographer from OK is so adept at dissecting.  Cause in every other offense on the god damn planet, the best players get the most playing time and this structure is outlined by this thing called a depth chart.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: EllToPay on August 31, 2010, 04:14:23 PM
I agree with jtksu about Harper, not thrilled about him.

Doesn't change the fact that jtksu is a smelly loser.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 04:18:22 PM
I think Harper has a bunch of talent and really want him to succeed but you guys are kidding yourself if you think he's going to get a bunch of touches in the spot he is currently in.  I don't see him getting more than 2-3 catches until something changes.  He didn't start in the spring game and he apparently hasn't done much to improve his stock.  I want the best players getting the touches and if Chris isn't one of them, well sucks for him.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: AbeFroman on August 31, 2010, 04:21:36 PM
My guess is we run the double reverse 3 or 4 times a game for Harper.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: OK_Cat on August 31, 2010, 04:23:01 PM
Please enlighten me on the ways of football, as I am obviously an idiot.  What offense is it that we run, the one where we gameplan around getting touches for our back-up WRs?  The super secret offense where Snyder attempts to fool everyone by burying the better players behind the lessor players on the depth chart.  The offense that some god damn wedding photographer from OK is so adept at dissecting.  Cause in every other offense on the god damn planet, the best players get the most playing time and this structure is outlined by this thing called a depth chart.

Harper is one of the most athletically gifted guys on the team.  If you try and argue with that, then you are a giant, smelly turd.  You get the ball to your athletic playmakers.  If you try and argue that, then you're a giant, smelly turd.

Basically, I'm calling you a giant, smelly turd.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 04:24:18 PM
I was kinda thinking Tremaine would get those reverses/double reverses.  Harper is pretty fast but I think Tremaine is even faster.  For some reason, I'm really excited about Tremaine this year.  And obviously Brod.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Belvis Noland on August 31, 2010, 04:55:01 PM
I only use 2 fingers...

sheesh.   :surprised:


On a related note, Mayfield at 350.. Wilson at 250..  It's gonna look like a Tijuana Donkey show out there.  Gaping holes everywhere.  right? 
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: OregonSmock on August 31, 2010, 04:58:21 PM
I was kinda thinking Tremaine would get those reverses/double reverses.  Harper is pretty fast but I think Tremaine is even faster.  For some reason, I'm really excited about Tremaine this year.  And obviously Brod.


I'm excited to see Brodrick Smith play next season.  I've heard nothing but great things about him.  My only concern if I were a K-State fan would be Coffman's ability to get him the ball. 
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 05:27:41 PM
Yeah, Carson's ability to get the ball to receivers is a major key to our success this year.  We should have everything he needs on that side of the ball but it's up to him to actually execute.  Kinda depressing to think that he will be central to our wins and losses this year.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: big e z on August 31, 2010, 05:35:36 PM
On the Harper thing... I thought I read somewhere that Thompson was a better route runner and was able to get a little more seperation from the db. I believe the thought was that once the ball was in Harper's hand, he was money. I think they were talking about bringing Harper in and getting him the ball in other ways (screens, etc) where route running was not so much important, and then letting him utilize his athletism.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 05:40:13 PM
What's the deal w/ Quarles then?  Can't Harper eventually take his starting spot?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: SwiftCat on August 31, 2010, 05:41:58 PM
Guys guys guys. Settle down.

Our starters are bound to get tired at some point. And when that time comes, guess who's going to be racking up the catches?  :ksu:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: big e z on August 31, 2010, 05:43:22 PM
Just a guess, but as Harper develops as a more polished reciever, I could see our recieving corp being Smith and Harper as the wide outs, and Thompson as the slot. Maybe that won't happen until next year, but that would still leave a couple years with a pretty decent line up at recievers.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: yoga-like_abana on August 31, 2010, 05:54:12 PM
The LBers defense makes me want to cry.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: The Minister on August 31, 2010, 07:19:45 PM
Demarcus Robinson?   :dunno:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Pittcat on August 31, 2010, 07:34:42 PM
Demarcus Robinson?   :dunno:

The answer is "true freshman who is very talented but will greatly benefit from a redshirt year."
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: W.Churchill on August 31, 2010, 07:57:40 PM
I think Harper has a bunch of talent and really want him to succeed but you guys are kidding yourself if you think he's going to get a bunch of touches in the spot he is currently in.  I don't see him getting more than 2-3 catches until something changes.  He didn't start in the spring game and he apparently hasn't done much to improve his stock.  I want the best players getting the touches and if Chris isn't one of them, well sucks for him.

Just a question which I truly don't know the answer to......can anyone think of a high ranked recruit who transferred and then became a serious contributor to his new team?  I can't....but I can think of a whole bunch of guys who didn't. 
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Winters on August 31, 2010, 08:05:10 PM
Isn't Harper running the Wildcat?  :confused:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: BRULL on August 31, 2010, 08:31:18 PM
What's the deal w/ Quarles then?  Can't Harper eventually take his starting spot?

jt, I don't post much and usually sit back and let everyone make their usual sarcastic, cryptic responses because they are usually humorous.  I just can't take your ineptness any longer. You act like the coaches don't see these guys workout every day. I'm sure, just as everyone here, the coaches want to see Chris on the field (probably no one more than PW). And, I would guess from the close relationship that old balls has with Chris, he more than anyone would like to see Chris succeed. In coach speak, it's up to Chris.

Obviously, he will see the field more than you can realize. Just because he is second string the first week does not mean he will remain there. This depth chart, like many teams', is fluid. Give him more time. The coaches may want him to get his weight under control, or see a position change. Just an example, not saying I have insidery info. Maybe he is still coping with the position change and they want to bring him in a little slower. I would not be surprised if there are certain packages that are revolving around what Chris can do to help the team.

I personally, am excited for Tramaine. With the news we all have been getting throughout the off-season, how can anyone be surprised by Chris' current position on the depth chart?

 :powerespect:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: 3rdGenKSt8r on August 31, 2010, 08:32:44 PM
Anyone else notice that Foketi is listed at 300 lbs, which is 50 lbs lighter than he was when he transferred?  Two-a-days are a bitch!
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Pete on August 31, 2010, 08:35:27 PM
I think Harper has a bunch of talent and really want him to succeed but you guys are kidding yourself if you think he's going to get a bunch of touches in the spot he is currently in.  I don't see him getting more than 2-3 catches until something changes.  He didn't start in the spring game and he apparently hasn't done much to improve his stock.  I want the best players getting the touches and if Chris isn't one of them, well sucks for him.

Just a question which I truly don't know the answer to......can anyone think of a high ranked recruit who transferred and then became a serious contributor to his new team?  I can't....but I can think of a whole bunch of guys who didn't. 

That's good question.  I can't think of any either, though it happens with Juco players all the time (DT is a good example), so I don't think it's an issue with changing systems or trying to fit in.  Frankly, I am kinda counting on it happening with Brod this year. 

Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: big e z on August 31, 2010, 08:55:36 PM
Jevon Snead comes to mind. I know he wasn't a heisman winner, but I thought that were pretty happy with him at ole miss.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 08:56:18 PM
Brull-  Please continue to not post much because it is quite clear your reading comprehension skills are not up to par.  Harper worked as a WR at Oregeon, and during his redshirt season/this current offseason at KSU.  This is not a recent change.  And I have actually been implying (during this entire thread) that the coaches have seen much more of Chris than we have and they have decided that he is not one our 3 best WRs.  Chris has had an entire year to do nothing but prepare himself for this season.  What makes you think he's suddenly going to make up lost ground in the middle of a season?  :plainoldretardflag:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: KSUTOMMY on August 31, 2010, 08:57:04 PM
We all heard the chit about Harper being lazy, if he is - FCK HIM, let him ride the pine. JTs points are spot-on, go back and read them again if you are still questioning Harper being 2nd string.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 09:03:48 PM
That QB at Arkansas is pretty damn good.  Guess Flacco, too, but he transferred to FCS Delaware.  I just don't think a ton of upper-tier guys transfer much.  Seems like it's usually guys who are upset with their lack of playing time.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: TBL on August 31, 2010, 09:08:15 PM
I think Harper has a bunch of talent and really want him to succeed but you guys are kidding yourself if you think he's going to get a bunch of touches in the spot he is currently in.  I don't see him getting more than 2-3 catches until something changes.  He didn't start in the spring game and he apparently hasn't done much to improve his stock.  I want the best players getting the touches and if Chris isn't one of them, well sucks for him.

Just a question which I truly don't know the answer to......can anyone think of a high ranked recruit who transferred and then became a serious contributor to his new team?  I can't....but I can think of a whole bunch of guys who didn't. 

That's good question.  I can't think of any either, though it happens with Juco players all the time (DT is a good example), so I don't think it's an issue with changing systems or trying to fit in.  Frankly, I am kinda counting on it happening with Brod this year. 




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Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Winters on August 31, 2010, 09:09:52 PM
Jevon Snead comes to mind. I know he wasn't a heisman winner, but I thought that were pretty happy with him at ole miss.
Alan Webb comes to this guys mind  :gocho:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 09:10:03 PM
Some other non-juco transfers of note:  Jeff George, Jeff Hostetler, Aikman, Randy Moss, Scott Frost, Justin Fargas, Mike Vanderjagt, Brandon Jacobs.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: BRULL on August 31, 2010, 09:14:23 PM
Brull-  Please continue to not post much because it is quite clear your reading comprehension skills are not up to par.  Harper worked as a WR at Oregeon, and during his redshirt season/this current offseason at KSU.  This is not a recent change.  And I have actually been implying (during this entire thread) that the coaches have seen much more of Chris than we have and they have decided that he is not one our 3 best WRs.  Chris has had an entire year to do nothing but prepare himself for this season.  What makes you think he's suddenly going to make up lost ground in the middle of a season?  :plainoldretardflag:

My point was, and maybe misdirected, is that by no means should anyone write him off this early in the season. They haven't played a game yet. I don't think anyone on this board isn't familiar with where Chris has played in the past.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 09:18:02 PM
Oh, it certainly sounded like you considered Harper's move to WR to be a recent one.  And no one is writing anyone off before we've played a single game.  Trying to temper some people's outlandish expectations is more like it.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: PowercatPat on August 31, 2010, 09:57:40 PM
Isn't Harper running the Wildcat?  :confused:

Weren't those just rumors?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 10:00:36 PM
If his shoulder is all healed up, he would be a natural to run it.  But, if his shoulder was okay I think we would have given him a shot at beating out that group of stiffs we have at QB.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: kstatefreak42 on August 31, 2010, 10:10:29 PM
Harper would be the best fit in the wildcat IMO
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on August 31, 2010, 10:17:02 PM
The wildcat will also be a good time to feature DT and Hubert or D Rob on the field at the same time.  I'm just not going to expect Harper to do much at this year.  Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Trim on September 01, 2010, 12:14:21 AM
KSU depth charts released on Tuesdays are never still accurate come Saturdays.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on September 01, 2010, 12:30:35 AM
True.  Half the time the radio dudes don't even know who's starting until they actually take the field.  Plus, we'll probably sub quite a bit this year at several positions.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: SwiftCat on September 01, 2010, 01:27:52 AM
Plus, we'll probably sub quite a bit this year at several positions.

I doubt it.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: kcchiefdav on September 01, 2010, 06:45:59 AM
Bad teams sub a lot and are trying to find the right combination of players. Good teams sub less because they have dominant players. I have us marked down for lots of subbing.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on September 01, 2010, 10:36:24 AM
Not entirely true.  Some good teams sub a lot because they have quality depth and want to have fresh players.  Some bad teams don't sub at all due to a lack of depth. 
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: steve dave on September 01, 2010, 10:42:40 AM
KSU depth charts released on Tuesdays are never still accurate come Saturdays.

After Harold quit the team last year wasn't he listed on the depth chart for the entire rest of the season?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: cas4ksu on September 01, 2010, 11:11:49 AM
Personally, I don't think having Harper be the primary "quarterback" in the Wildcat is such a good idea. Thomas is clearly a better, more powerful runner than Harper. That being said, I think it would be great to get Harper in the game in that position, but taking out DT for him is absurd.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 01, 2010, 11:30:33 AM
Personally, I don't think having Harper be the primary "quarterback" in the Wildcat is such a good idea. Thomas is clearly a better, more powerful runner than Harper. That being said, I think it would be great to get Harper in the game in that position, but taking out DT for him is absurd.

I would love to see a version of the wildcat with both Thomas and Harper in the backfield. The idea of Thomas taking a direct snap and running with an option to pitch to Harper is very appealing to me.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: PoetWarrior on September 01, 2010, 11:54:25 AM
Who said anything about Thomas coming out?

I envision it with Chris and Daniel together - Chris as QB.

Wilson with them sometimes, too.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Skipper44 on September 01, 2010, 12:07:03 PM
Who said anything about Thomas coming out?

I envision it with Chris and Daniel together - Chris as QB.

Wilson with them sometimes, too.

reliving the days of ell, rock & scoby running the option  :love:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: "storm"nut on September 01, 2010, 12:23:34 PM
Who said anything about Thomas coming out?

I envision it with Chris and Daniel together - Chris as QB.

Wilson with them sometimes, too.

reliving the days of ell, rock & scoby running the option  :love:

I just EMAW in my pants on that one. Going to need a wash cloth.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 01, 2010, 12:23:42 PM
So Brod will be returning kicks? seems like Tramaine would be doing this.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: kso_FAN on September 01, 2010, 12:40:05 PM
Several good points brought up in this thread.

First, no doubt the depth chart is being used to push Harper a little bit.  No doubt he has some talent, but it could be that he needs to continue to mature.  I think he'll be fine.  Plus, even though he was here last year, once the season started he was likely a scout team guy, so while he was learning wide reciever skills, he wasn't learning our offense.  It wasn't until the spring that he would've been full time in our system, but that's not any different than any transfer/red shirt.  I have to think that starting out at QB at Oregon probably slowed him down a bit as well, but again, I think he'll be fine with time.

I've heard great things about Thompson, similar to Banks, but probably faster and a much more knowledgable about the system and what is expected of him.  He has a chance to be an impact player.

As far as Smith being a return man ahead of Thompson, a lot of times it takes time for younger guys to get the return game figured out.  I imagine before he's done here Thompson will be a very good return guy, but I think Smith will be too.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Paul Moscow on September 01, 2010, 12:49:04 PM
Several good points brought up in this thread.

First, no doubt the depth chart is being used to push Harper a little bit.  No doubt he has some talent, but it could be that he needs to continue to mature.  I think he'll be fine.  Plus, even though he was here last year, once the season started he was likely a scout team guy, so while he was learning wide reciever skills, he wasn't learning our offense.  It wasn't until the spring that he would've been full time in our system, but that's not any different than any transfer/red shirt.  I have to think that starting out at QB at Oregon probably slowed him down a bit as well, but again, I think he'll be fine with time.

I've heard great things about Thompson, similar to Banks, but probably faster and a much more knowledgable about the system and what is expected of him.  He has a chance to be an impact player.

As far as Smith being a return man ahead of Thompson, a lot of times it takes time for younger guys to get the return game figured out.  I imagine before he's done here Thompson will be a very good return guy, but I think Smith will be too.

No way Thompson is faster than Banks - Thompson even admitted it. He may be quicker and have more agility but he doesn't have the same straight away speed that Banks has.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on September 01, 2010, 12:51:44 PM
Very possible we may have 2 deep on kickoffs.  Saying Tremaine is faster than Banks may be asking a little too much.  Banks was one of the fastest players in college football.  Tramaine does look to have better size than Banks though.  I'm beginning to think some people don't have a real good idea of what the Wildcat formation is.  Simply lining up a RB at QB does not make it the wildcat formation.  You really don't add blocking backs to the formation, it's important that every play looks identical at the line of scrimmage.  The only changes come after the snap in terms of handoffs or possible throws.  And Harper was on the scout team last year but our offense isn't wildly different than any other out there.  We don't ask our WRs to do anything that they wouldn't be doing in any of the offenses the scout squad may attempt to emulate.  Chris should have a good grasp of what he needs to be doing.  If someone else is outplaying him or outworking him...
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: MadCat on September 01, 2010, 12:56:51 PM
Very possible we may have 2 deep on kickoffs.  Saying Tremaine is faster than Banks may be asking a little too much.  Banks was one of the fastest players in college football.  Tramaine does look to have better size than Banks though.  I'm beginning to think some people don't have a real good idea of what the Wildcat formation is.  Simply lining up a RB at QB does not make it the wildcat formation.  You really don't add blocking backs to the formation, it's important that every play looks identical at the line of scrimmage.  The only changes come after the snap in terms of handoffs or possible throws.  And Harper was on the scout team last year but our offense isn't wildly different than any other out there.  We don't ask our WRs to do anything that they wouldn't be doing in any of the offenses the scout squad may attempt to emulate.  Chris should have a good grasp of what he needs to be doing.  If someone else is outplaying him or outworking him...

I thought we always had 2 deep on kickoffs.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 01, 2010, 12:58:02 PM
I'm beginning to think some people don't have a real good idea of what the Wildcat formation is.  Simply lining up a RB at QB does not make it the wildcat formation.  You really don't add blocking backs to the formation, it's important that every play looks identical at the line of scrimmage.  The only changes come after the snap in terms of handoffs or possible throws.

That's why you create a new package similar to the wildcat that features blocking backs. We have 2 former quarterbacks playing on the offense at different positions. It seems like maybe we would want to take advantage of that.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: PoetWarrior on September 01, 2010, 01:00:01 PM
Wildcat=Running QB in shotgun who is not normally your QB.

Let's leave it at that.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 01, 2010, 01:31:28 PM
Guys I looked over the offensive depth chart again and the only answer I can come up with as to why Harper is so low on the chart is because we have so many more offensive weapons. I think it may have been there idea to cancel the series.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: bonercat on September 01, 2010, 01:56:53 PM
Why is everyone up in arms about Harper not starting again!?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on September 01, 2010, 02:39:26 PM
The Wildcat isn't a system, it's a single formation.  Anytime you deviate from it, you're running a different formation.  Sure, we could move all sorts of people around to take adavantage of some of the unique talents we may have.  Putting a running QB in with RBs and FBs in is more like a triple option attack than a wildcat.  Also, the more backs you have in the less WRs you have available for possible passes.  We didn't bring Harper in to play RB, we already have those.  We brought him in to catch passes.  The kid isn't a Percy Harvin type of players.  He's bigger but slower.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Pett on September 01, 2010, 03:24:08 PM
Should I be concerened with this?:

RT 71 Ethan Douglas (6-6, 300, So.-SQ) OR
75 Clyde Aufner (6-5, 300, Jr.-2L)

I kind of am.




This is actually a very good thing. GoPo reported that Aufner was hurt badly again (re-injured the ankle he messed up during spring ball) and could miss the entire season. I had a little update on kstatriots.com that Clyde's injury wasn't as bad as originally thought. Looks like my source was right on.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: kstatefreak42 on September 01, 2010, 03:24:48 PM
Cool
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 01, 2010, 03:38:46 PM
The Wildcat isn't a system, it's a single formation.  Anytime you deviate from it, you're running a different formation.  Sure, we could move all sorts of people around to take adavantage of some of the unique talents we may have.  Putting a running QB in with RBs and FBs in is more like a triple option attack than a wildcat.  Also, the more backs you have in the less WRs you have available for possible passes.  We didn't bring Harper in to play RB, we already have those.  We brought him in to catch passes.  The kid isn't a Percy Harvin type of players.  He's bigger but slower.

I don't care if we run the wildcat. I want to see Chris Harper get the ball in space. If he's too shitty of a receiver to do that, then we need to come up with another way to make that happen. Also, when is the last time LHC Bill Snyder had a good offense that didn't feature a running QB with RBs and FBs?

What I would really like to see is the pistol formation with Thomas at QB and Harper at RB. The majority of the time, Thomas would run just as if it were the wildcat formation, but Harper would be a pitch option on any runs to the outside. This formation would still allow 3 WRs for pass plays, also.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: DILLIGAF on September 01, 2010, 03:42:37 PM
1991 thru 1996
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 01, 2010, 03:45:06 PM
1991 thru 1996

Exactly. 14 years ago.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: wabashcannonball on September 01, 2010, 03:47:03 PM
I was born in '91  :ksu:

u guys dont need to spread this crap ok
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on September 01, 2010, 10:45:01 PM
JFC.  Why would anyone want the ball in the hands of any player that is not the best we have to offer.  If Harper is one of the best options we have, buy God get him the ball.  The spring game and the depth chart says he isn't.  Guess it's a good scapegoat for Saturday, either way.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: CrushNasty on September 01, 2010, 10:49:09 PM

RB 8 Daniel Thomas (6-2, 228, Sr.-1L)
33 John Hubert (5-7, 185, Fr.-RS)




No Powell?   :dunno:

You didn't read my "nuggets" post did you?  :nono:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: CrushNasty on September 01, 2010, 10:49:55 PM
buy God get him the ball. 

 :love:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on September 01, 2010, 10:52:27 PM
'preciate the love.  I'm not exactly sober here.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: 06wildcat on September 02, 2010, 01:55:07 AM
buy God get him the ball. 

 :love:

Nice thought, though Christians have been tithing for centuries and still haven't got him to appear. Meanwhile, we can't even get shitters on the upper deck.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: SwiftCat on September 07, 2010, 01:01:21 PM
KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

 :comehere:

I've heard some pretty insidery types saying this Cantele kid can regularly hit from 45+

Also that he can run 4.5 40. can you say fake FG attempt?

Just wanted to point out my sources were money with this one.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 07, 2010, 01:17:07 PM
KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

 :comehere:

I've heard some pretty insidery types saying this Cantele kid can regularly hit from 45+

Also that he can run 4.5 40. can you say fake FG attempt?

Just wanted to point out my sources were money with this one.

kudos.

Also, the new Depth Chart has been released...
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on September 07, 2010, 01:20:06 PM
KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

 :comehere:

I've heard some pretty insidery types saying this Cantele kid can regularly hit from 45+

Also that he can run 4.5 40. can you say fake FG attempt?

Just wanted to point out my sources were money with this one.

kudos.

Also, the new Depth Chart has been released...

http://www.kstatesports.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ksu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/DepthChart-MOST2
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on September 07, 2010, 01:22:20 PM
KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

 :comehere:

I've heard some pretty insidery types saying this Cantele kid can regularly hit from 45+

Also that he can run 4.5 40. can you say fake FG attempt?

Just wanted to point out my sources were money with this one.

How bad would it suck to be Josh Cherry?   A senior who gets his position taken by a walk-on sophomore?  Guess it's nice that we're upgrading talent.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: MadCat on September 07, 2010, 01:57:31 PM
Powell & Quarles on Kickoff Returns.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: mcmwcat on September 07, 2010, 01:57:55 PM
Aufner  :crossfingers:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 07, 2010, 02:17:41 PM
Quote
Collin Klein OR Samuel Lamur
:surprised:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: jtksu on September 07, 2010, 02:26:10 PM
Quote
Collin Klein OR Samuel Lamur
:surprised:

May as well throw SLamur in for a few series, once we have a decent lead.  Can't be any worse than Klein was.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: PowercatPat on September 07, 2010, 05:01:06 PM
Quote
Collin Klein OR Samuel Lamur
:surprised:

It said that last week too.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: SwiftCat on September 11, 2010, 07:03:28 PM
KO 19 Josh Cherry (6-0, 190, Sr.-3L) OR
10 Anthony Cantele (5-10, 186, So.-SQ)

 :comehere:

I've heard some pretty insidery types saying this Cantele kid can regularly hit from 45+

Also that he can run 4.5 40. can you say fake FG attempt?

Just wanted to point out my sources were money with this one.

 :users:
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: EllToPay on September 13, 2010, 12:43:05 PM
Stephen Harrison in front of Garrett. (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/DepthChart-IAST.pdf)
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 13, 2010, 12:59:24 PM
Cantele still ahead of Cherry? Interesting.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: mcmwcat on September 13, 2010, 01:10:45 PM
did Aufner play against Missouri St?
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Pete on September 13, 2010, 01:11:57 PM
When is the Arthur Brown mystery clearance happening?  TIA.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: SwiftCat on September 13, 2010, 01:56:15 PM
Cantele still ahead of Cherry? Interesting.

Cherry is too valuable on KO Coverage
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Benja on September 13, 2010, 04:55:14 PM
Stephen Harrison in front of Garrett. (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/DepthChart-IAST.pdf)

Garrett's been playing pretty good for an extremely small man.
Title: Re: Depth Chart
Post by: Sugar Dick on September 14, 2010, 08:38:42 AM
did Aufner play against Missouri St?

no