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Title: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 28, 2010, 08:30:49 PM
People from other schools are very weirded out by our mascot.  I love the d00d, but you have to admit it is slightly creepy.  I think if we were to give Willie arms and legs that match his big animal head, it would look way better/not as bizarre.  I'm not talking big goofy mascot arms and legs.  Something kind of form-fitting so he can still maintain his mobility, because I wouldn't be able to live with myself if my "Should we give Willie arms and legs?" thread led to fewer very entertaining and high quality Willie skits/Willie skit tackles because of his limited mobility.

Am I being  :powerespect:?
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: steve dave on August 28, 2010, 09:32:52 PM
I enjoy pretending to not care what other people think/say.  < do this
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: chum1 on August 28, 2010, 09:42:57 PM
Or you could just get rid of the giant cat head.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Deez Nutz on August 28, 2010, 09:44:17 PM
I like Willie the way he is.  No need to break a long tradition just to try (and fail) to get more exposure on ESPN commercials or whatever other perceived benefits there are.  
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 28, 2010, 09:51:42 PM
I like Willie the way he is.  No need to break a long tradition just to try (and fail) to get more exposure on ESPN commercials or whatever other perceived benefits there are.  

This actually is a huge benefit.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: jtksu on August 28, 2010, 10:01:39 PM
Yeah, cause we wanna be well represented in the once in a year 5 minute special on mascots.  We can't let the banana slugs continue their dominance!!!
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 29, 2010, 03:24:14 AM

wut
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Berries and Cream on August 29, 2010, 04:21:27 AM
Skinny, I know I have no credibility with my minuscule post count, but just want to say I support what you're doing.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: deputy dawg on August 29, 2010, 08:16:06 AM
Are you suggesting something along the lines of the Slugerrr model?
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: gokatgo on August 29, 2010, 08:27:57 AM
I could see adding a cape...and remember, must be able to ride Harley
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: chum1 on August 29, 2010, 08:35:48 AM
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Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: michigancat on August 29, 2010, 08:55:17 AM
hey guys, why don't we drop our ag department why we're at it.  Then those meanie KU fans would be left with NOTHIN'!  :ksu:
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: FHSU92 on August 29, 2010, 08:59:11 AM
If Willie could dunk and kick FGs like he used to, he would get more cred as costumed 'cots can't do that.  Having a yell-leader with a big head is not impressive.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Iceberg on August 29, 2010, 09:28:01 AM
I personally like the "head only" approach. It kind of brings the Every Man A Wildcat concept to life. If you don't like Willie, well... you're just not EMAW, just a fan of KSU athletics. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Take a look at these uglies...

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Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: KITNfury on August 29, 2010, 01:20:28 PM
I personally like the "head only" approach. It kind of brings the Every Man A Wildcat concept to life. If you don't like Willie, well... you're just not EMAW, just a fan of KSU athletics. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Take a look at these uglies...

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Those aren't form fitting. I support this movement by SkinnyBenny. Make something basically Under Armour with fur.

Don't forget the standard powerespect response:

Quote
But it would be so hot in a fur suit!
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: jtksu on August 29, 2010, 01:25:47 PM
It's all fun and games until we lose a couple of Willies.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: The42Yardstick on August 29, 2010, 01:31:10 PM
The fact that we have to ask means, yes, we need to do it.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: _33 on August 29, 2010, 01:38:59 PM
Mascots with arms and legs are the weird ones.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: The42Yardstick on August 29, 2010, 01:46:20 PM
Mascots with arms and legs are the weird ones.

The fact that we have to ask means, yes, we need to do it.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: deputy dawg on August 29, 2010, 02:22:13 PM
shazbot! that.  Just look how ridiculous that fracking gayhawk is, and that should answer your question.  Don't shazbot! with the current Willie, unless you are just dying for us to look gay.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: nicname on August 29, 2010, 02:28:25 PM
I always thought Willie should cover the skin on his arms and legs.  Just wear an under-armor like shirt under the football jersey and receivers gloves, with knee high socks or tights on the legs.  For basketball just wear the long sleeve warm-ups and pants. 

I think willie looks ridiculously stupid during basketball season. 
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Gooch on August 29, 2010, 02:35:51 PM
I think willie looks ridiculously stupid during basketball season. 
You should go in the back and kill yourself.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 29, 2010, 02:37:23 PM
QFMFT, nicname.  Gooch is a cooch.  Willie looks at his best when it's a November game and he's wearing his gloves and long sleeves to keep warm under his football pads.  The less human skin you can see, the better.  This, combined with the missing shoulder pads, is what makes basketball Willie look so ridiculously heinous.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: OregonSmock on August 29, 2010, 02:55:13 PM
If K-State's athletic department could afford arms and legs for Willie, they would have done it by now. 
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: The42Yardstick on August 29, 2010, 03:00:40 PM
If K-State's athletic department could afford arms and legs for Willie, they would have done it by now. 

not one of your best efforts.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: KITNfury on August 29, 2010, 03:09:37 PM
If K-State's athletic department could afford arms and legs for Willie, they would have done it by now. 
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Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: The42Yardstick on August 29, 2010, 04:12:44 PM
pffffffffffft :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Deez Nutz on August 29, 2010, 05:27:17 PM
All I know is that any costume changes to Willie better not entail covering up his hands because he sure needs them to sign autographs properly.  Every time he comes to the sidelines for autographs, I haul ass down the stairs and cut in front of all the little kids and have him sign about a dozen trading cards so that I can sell them on Ebay or give them to my own kids someday.  My goal in life is to one day actually catch a shirt thrown into the stands.  I know this sounds hard to believe, but after all the games I've been to over the years, both football and basketball, I have never caught a damn t-shirt, and it pisses me off!   :curse: :curse: :curse:  I have to admit it would really mean a lot to catch one thrown by Willie.  I'm just hoping to catch an XXXL, but if not, then I'm sure they would let me trade it in. 
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: kougar24 on August 29, 2010, 05:52:46 PM
If K-State's athletic department could afford arms and legs for Willie, they would have done it by now. 
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Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: CATS2WIN on August 29, 2010, 06:20:58 PM
If K-State's athletic department could afford arms and legs for Willie, they would have done it by now. 

I hear this stupid crap from a guy I know who is a KU fan, flunked out, but is still a fan.  Get's pretty old, but mascot smack is all they will have to discuss that is relevant after the 4th.

Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 29, 2010, 09:53:31 PM
i think it gets more attention for being weird looking. Very goEMAW if you ask me.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Katpappy on August 29, 2010, 10:07:21 PM
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Chum, were did u find this critter(true fan)?
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: DQ12 on August 29, 2010, 10:47:08 PM
Willie sucks.  Every time he does that thing where he runs by the front row and gives people high fives, I always put my hand out, and then pull it back as he passes, yelling "Psyche!"  Dumbass never sees it coming.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 29, 2010, 11:03:07 PM
If K-State's athletic department could afford arms and legs for Willie, they would have done it by now. 

Copied.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: jtksu on August 29, 2010, 11:17:35 PM
Strong rumblings that BMW aren't even Ben's actual initials.  He "borrowed" them from a poster on phog.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on August 29, 2010, 11:58:38 PM
Willie sucks.  Every time he does that thing where he runs by the front row and gives people high fives, I always put my hand out, and then pull it back as he passes, yelling "Psyche!"  Dumbass never sees it coming.


Yeah, and his signature rough ridin' blows.

He literally writes 'Willie' (Not in cursive) and then does this weird curl with his W. I'm beginning to think that he doesn't sign his own autographs and the athletic department just has a couple of the cheerleaders do it before the game, it's pretty girly handwriting.

I also don't think he is very smart. He only throws out XXL t-shirts, which leads me to believe that he has no judgement of size. Could be that he has a giant head and everything looks bigger in it. Who knows...
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: MadCat on August 30, 2010, 12:09:53 AM
To really scare the kids, give Willie octopus-arms.  :ohno:
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Testy Westy on August 30, 2010, 12:15:31 AM
I remember when you used to be able to see the dudes face inside willies mouth...we should bring that back
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: jtksu on August 30, 2010, 01:04:40 AM
Also, Willie should be able to talk.  I realize that's kinda against the mascot laws but it could really open up new entertainment venues.  Maybe a really thick east european accent Willie?  "I must break you" type of crap.  Also, Willie should beat the holy hell out of opposing mascots.  Dude's got human arms, might as well use that advantage.  Yeah, we'll probably have to get a new Wille like every week but I'm sure we could fill the openings.  Would be pretty neat to see Trim/Willie choke out that weirdass husker jr thing.  Hop up and down on your own head now, [redacted]!!!  If I was Willie for a week, I'd totally use a foreign object to bash some other mascot in the junk.  Like pissing blood bash.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: DQ12 on August 30, 2010, 01:15:49 AM
Also, Willie should be able to talk.  I realize that's kinda against the mascot laws but it could really open up new entertainment venues.  Maybe a really thick east european accent Willie?  "I must break you" type of crap.  Also, Willie should beat the holy hell out of opposing mascots.  Dude's got human arms, might as well use that advantage.  Yeah, we'll probably have to get a new Wille like every week but I'm sure we could fill the openings.  Would be pretty neat to see Trim/Willie choke out that weirdass husker jr thing.  Hop up and down on your own head now, [redacted]!!!  If I was Willie for a week, I'd totally use a foreign object to bash some other mascot in the junk.  Like pissing blood bash.

I actually agree with this.  We need more gore.

:excited:
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Trim on August 30, 2010, 01:19:41 AM
Also, Willie should be able to talk.  I realize that's kinda against the mascot laws but it could really open up new entertainment venues.  Maybe a really thick east european accent Willie?  "I must break you" type of crap.  Also, Willie should beat the holy hell out of opposing mascots.  Dude's got human arms, might as well use that advantage.  Yeah, we'll probably have to get a new Wille like every week but I'm sure we could fill the openings.  Would be pretty neat to see Trim/Willie choke out that weirdass husker jr thing.  Hop up and down on your own head now, [redacted]!!!  If I was Willie for a week, I'd totally use a foreign object to bash some other mascot in the junk.  Like pissing blood bash.

Keep my name out ya mouth for you get smacked in it.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: KITNfury on August 30, 2010, 06:56:32 AM
Also, Willie should be able to talk.  I realize that's kinda against the mascot laws but it could really open up new entertainment venues.  Maybe a really thick east european accent Willie?  "I must break you" type of crap.  Also, Willie should beat the holy hell out of opposing mascots.  Dude's got human arms, might as well use that advantage.  Yeah, we'll probably have to get a new Wille like every week but I'm sure we could fill the openings.  Would be pretty neat to see Trim/Willie choke out that weirdass husker jr thing.  Hop up and down on your own head now, [redacted]!!!  If I was Willie for a week, I'd totally use a foreign object to bash some other mascot in the junk.  Like pissing blood bash.

Keep my name out ya mouth for you get smacked in it.
:surprised:
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: bringonthecats on September 02, 2010, 06:06:07 PM
i like willie as half cat, half man. superior to an all-wildcat suit...best of both worlds. however, willie once stole my ray ban aviators, ran around with them, dropped them by the cheerleaders, and then proceeded to forget that he ever took them. thankfully one of his 'assistants' picked them up and ran them over to me minutes later. still holding a grudge, and maybe if willie had awkward furry arms he could no longer pull these kind of stunts.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: jtksu on September 02, 2010, 06:29:12 PM
Tom Cruise called from the 80's and said he wants his sunglasses back.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: j-von on September 02, 2010, 06:40:49 PM

He literally writes 'Willie' (Not in cursive) and then does this weird curl with his W.

Those curls make a cat paw bad person!
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 02, 2010, 06:49:27 PM

He literally writes 'Willie' (Not in cursive) and then does this weird curl with his W.

Those curls make a cat paw bad person!

What the shazbot! is a cat paw bad person? 

 :confused:
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Pete on September 02, 2010, 06:51:50 PM

He literally writes 'Willie' (Not in cursive) and then does this weird curl with his W.

Those curls make a cat paw bad person!

What the shazbot! is a cat paw bad person? 

 :confused:

He misspelled "Pa."  It's an old man anus, FWIW.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: jtksu on September 02, 2010, 07:00:55 PM
I gave a chick a cat paw bad person one time and she was pissed!
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: theKSU on September 02, 2010, 07:06:38 PM
You're looking for more of something like this:

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Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: 3rdGenKSt8r on September 02, 2010, 10:34:41 PM
I wouldn't mess with Willie (and I mean that in every sense).  His signature has been the same for many years -- its part of the tradition. 

You want to bring something to games that has a chance of making the "best mascot" lists? Don't put Willie in some damn footie PJs... bring back Touchdown!  Then, let him chase down a live chicken in the middle of the field for next year's KU game.  :pray:

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Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: TBL on September 02, 2010, 10:38:21 PM
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Chum, were did u find this critter(true fan)?


It's mu's new mascot.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: TBL on September 02, 2010, 10:40:36 PM
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This one would freak the young 'uns out.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Andy on September 03, 2010, 01:45:29 AM
something like this?

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Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on September 03, 2010, 10:50:59 AM
I always figured we should at least have football Willie covered up, like Brutus at OSU.

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Basketball Willie is a lost cause -- unless it's the extremely rare year he can actually dunk.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: MadCat on September 03, 2010, 10:54:26 AM
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^Freddy Krueger in sweat pants
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: AlwaysEMAW on September 03, 2010, 10:57:27 AM
FWIW, new Willie head looks pretty great. Same design with darker gray fur. Subtle, but effective
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: 3rdGenKSt8r on September 07, 2010, 12:49:05 PM
FWIW, new Willie head looks pretty great. Same design with darker gray fur. Subtle, but effective

Anyone notice how ridiculously shiny it was, though?  Someone needs to lay off the dog shampoo! :facepalm:

Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: Saulbadguy on September 07, 2010, 12:53:55 PM
No.

Willie is a versatile mascot, able to dress up like a basketball player, football player, a fuckin soldier, or an astronaut.  You don't get that kind of flexibility with the stupid arms/legs. Plus the arms/legs make them look cartoony and stupid.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: SwiftCat on September 07, 2010, 12:58:22 PM
FWIW, new Willie head looks pretty great. Same design with darker gray fur. Subtle, but effective

Anyone notice how ridiculously shiny it was, though?  Someone needs to lay off the dog shampoo! :facepalm:


Was at the game, so I didn't see it on camera, but my source (elite cameraman) compared it to someone vacuuming a couch (suede) and leaving streaks in it.
Title: Re: Should we give Willie arms and legs?
Post by: 3rdGenKSt8r on September 07, 2010, 02:36:56 PM
FWIW, new Willie head looks pretty great. Same design with darker gray fur. Subtle, but effective

Anyone notice how ridiculously shiny it was, though?  Someone needs to lay off the dog shampoo! :facepalm:


Was at the game, so I didn't see it on camera, but my source (elite cameraman) compared it to someone vacuuming a couch (suede) and leaving streaks in it.

I was at the game and could see it from under the SW scoreboard.  It did look like someone had vacuumed tracks in it.  Looked just as bad when I watched it on DVR later.