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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Katpappy on November 02, 2024, 02:55:30 PM
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The game starts at 3:00 pm and I got my fridge stocked with Michelob Ultra and treats close by. I'm ready boys. :ksu:
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I'm watching the OSU shitkickers playing the ASU fun in the Sun Devils due to bad weather in Houston.
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They just said the game should start @4:05 pm.
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Gross
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Game has started!!! :Woot:
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They are ready for the run game.
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AJ is running today. TD bound?
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Those end zines are stupid. Why have the color extend a foot and a half past the end zone?
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AJ is too focused on Brown. TE was wide open. Settled for a FG.
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What a treat it is watching our Cats w Benetti and Huard on the call.
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Blitz is working.
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Do we overcomplicate getting Edwards the ball in space? Why does it seem so hard?
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Our offensive play calling sucks and it has all year. It's like Messingham 2.0
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Uh that wasn't the direction we needed to go
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The weather and the delay is going to make this one ugly
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Our offensive play calling sucks and it has all year. It's like Messingham 2.0
It's absolutely atrocious. None of those plays stood a chance of making a first down.
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I think the wet field is the issue,
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Did Willie Fritz coach Michael Bishop at Blinn???
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Ugh
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Did Willie Fritz coach Michael Bishop at Blinn???
Yes, MJ talked about it on 365 Sports.
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I hate that I believe
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Only getting FGs on the road is a recipe for losing.
We must figure out how to score TDs on the red zone
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The offensive playcalling is dumb.
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Back to back 3 and outs
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Do these guys know that they have a football game today????
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I thought this was supposed to be no-stress.
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If you're not going to use Avery to attempt a pass over 10 yards in consecutive games, it's time to really commit to running him 15 times a game
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AJ is not having a good game. Hopefully he gets over it.
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Eight consecutive offensive plays without a yard :facepalm:
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Our secondary is amazing.
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Our pass defense is so bad.
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Straight up getting out coached
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Man, this squad is tough to watch…….
AJ needs to hit his open receivers, and our secondary, oh my…..
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Straight up getting out coached
not out coached, out played
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They need to wake the eff up
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Straight up getting out coached
not out coached, out played
How can you look at our offensive play calling and think it's anything but disgraceful?
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Whoops we passed it more than 10 yards! And a penalty!
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Why is Avery eating up the clock?
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As my good buddy Chingon says, you don't win on the road scoring field goals. We need a TD here.
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Why is Avery eating up the clock?
Because they get the ball to start the second half. Why give them back to back touchdowns!?
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Lackluster on both sides of the ball.
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All three sides
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TD w/o extra pt.
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Add special teams to the lackluster list.
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Hope the Cats turn it around in the second half.
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We're going to have an ugly loss on our resume two hours from now
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Do you call TOs if you're CK? Frick NO!
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Cats ball. FG bound?
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Shocking, let the QB who rough ridin' slings darts looks better when you don't try to dink and dunk touch passes in the backfield
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Incredible turnaround
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That back shoulder throw on the run has me moist
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Let Avery cook
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TD!!! We're ahead to end this half. HAVE FAITH!
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Gotta love seeing Keagan make that catch
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Shocking, let the QB who rough ridin' slings darts looks better when you don't try to dink and dunk touch passes in the backfield
There is a time to dink and dunk, but this ain’t it
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Shocking, let the QB who rough ridin' slings darts looks better when you don't try to dink and dunk touch passes in the backfield
There is a time to dink and dunk, but this ain’t it
We're winning despite ourselves
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We are not giving our defense the credit they deserve. BTY, our running game is no. 3 YPP and 8th YPG in FBS. :Woot:
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Shocking, let the QB who rough ridin' slings darts looks better when you don't try to dink and dunk touch passes in the backfield
There is a time to dink and dunk, but this ain’t it
We're winning despite ourselves
The kind of funny part is that when UH started their last drive they looked content to run out the clock and take a lead into halftime, but then they broke that big run and were like lol we should still run out the clock…unless…👉🏻👈🏻
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Our goal should be to make them throw one incomplete pass in the second half. I know, I know, tall order.
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WF is not to be mumped with; he beat our ass a couple of yrs ago. Cats need to be ready and on their toes.
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Better, not all the way, but better
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Man, our guys can tackle rough.
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Gotta love seeing Keagan make that catch
Yeah, he’s blocked well and been running wide open all year, just rarely option 1
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Gotta love seeing Keagan make that catch
Yeah, he’s blocked well and been running wide open all year, just rarely option 1
AJ likes to throw to Brown.
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Ugk
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DJamer's pass block was cool at least
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3rd and 1 to that
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3rd and 1 to that
did AJ miss a read?
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Ugh... Just deflating
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3rd and 1 to that
Terribly conservative
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Thank god Houston is terrible. We are doing some really stupid crap today.
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Thank god Houston is terrible. We are doing some really stupid crap today.
Yeah, good d, poopie o
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They might be good enough thru if we don't get our heads out of our asses.
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Defense does it again.
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It sounds like Houston is pretty good at defense to be fair. (I have not watched a single down of theirs before today)
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This play calling is absolute ass.
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Why do we keep running up the middle?
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Because next time we'll break on for 9 yards. whoop whoop
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Love our rush defense, BTW, they are rated #10 in FBS.
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LMAO let's wait till the downpour to really let Avery sling it
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What a nice pass to Brown.
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WTF is wrong with our TEs? Nice FG thou.
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Giddens up the middle on first down. Who would have seen that coming? JFC, if we're going to run, get Edwards and AJ to the edge every once and awhile, please.
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So do they have designated balls for kicking? If yes, those would be dry?
Trying to support my long snap brothers here. My only bad snap ever was a wet ball.
Tom
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The stadium looks as empty as KU's hole.
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Is Houston starting to use our offensive playbook!?!?
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I like how Fox shows some of our players; you'll never see ESPN do that for us.
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Back of end zone pylon looks likes it’s in the wrong spot (at where the black paint ends, not the interior white line)which makes me suspect it contributed to Jayce straying out of bounds on that play in 1Q.
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I wish they would use our punter.
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If we don't move the ball, we're going to get like a 25 yard punt.
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Guys.... We need help
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Ah damn, AJ has been throwing late and high all game
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They just used our play against us
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JFC
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Still waiting for that incomplete pass.
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We’re just not game putter awayers
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his will really suck.
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27 yard punt . . .
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We're just, so meh
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I think our ol is bad. Was only good against cu and wvu
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ou4 pun534 sucks at his assigned task.
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We trash
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I'm going to chalk this up as a weird loss like ISU in the snow
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It's just silly out there
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huge tackle by Mott
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I'm going to chalk this up as a weird loss like ISU in the snow
Let's call it a weird win :crossfingers:
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I'm going to chalk this up as a weird loss like ISU in the snow
Yea this is just silly, you can't glean anything from this one. Just have to find a way to close it out.
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Let's be creative. Please.
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I've never seen anyone catch Avery like #44 did. Just silly conditions
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Why do we want to lose???
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I never want to see a dump off to RB again
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It’s our default “I don’t know what to call” play
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really needed more than a three and out here . . . now need a punt of 40+ yards
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well eff
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Welp
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and game....
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We mumped around and found out
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eff you Conner Riley
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I'm glad they scored. Maybe we'll finaloy get Edward's some touches. Never understand why we abandon him in the 4th.
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At least they scored quick.
Tom
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Best case scenario there. Still a chance
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AJ time
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Willie Fritz is our kryptonite
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It’s not over.
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AJ can’t keep throwing like that and not run.
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Let's go get this
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Saw this coming the entire second half. We insite on refusing to run a viable offense.
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Of course Iowa state loses....
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nice work aj.....
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Well darn
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Willie Fritz is our kryptonite
Both he and Klieman (w/out Klein) take the air so far out of the ball that it’s just going to result in a low scoring game with usually a one score difference in the final moments.
We simply do not put opposing defenses on their heels, and it sucks because we have the talent to do so.
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like I said
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Terrible decision but we lost this 2 possessions ago.
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Pretty disappointing loss here. Houston is not a good team.
But running on the road is hard when you're not an elite team.
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well eff. No big 12 championship for us this year.
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neither are we....
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We're going to have an ugly loss on our resume two hours from now
Told you
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At least we don’t have to get beat by 60 in the CFP.
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We tried to give it to KU, but Houston took it this time.
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This was atrocious across the board. Fire the anyone involved with the offensive play calling or WRs. Half these players need to be put in the portal next year.
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Terrible decision but we lost this 2 possessions ago.
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We lost it when our first three possessions only resulted in 3 points against one of the worst teams in the conference.
Fire Conner Riley
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we still have a clear path into the conference championship game
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let that go you rough ridin' idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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well, hopefully that is AJ's worst game as a wildcat
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we still have a clear path into the conference championship game
If we win out we have a great chance of making it.
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But I don't know that we control our own destiny anymore
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we still have a clear path into the conference championship game
If we win out we have a great chance of making it.
What happens if TTU KSU ISU and CU are in 4 way tie?
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how you figure?
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Meh this isn’t a Big 12 championship team even in the low probability we pop back up in the conversation a few weeks from now.
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https://big12sports.com/sports/2024/9/6/FB_0906243427.aspx?path=football
Tom
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Meh this isn’t a Big 12 championship team even in the low probability we pop back up in the conversation a few weeks from now.
+1
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think it is a huge assumption that this team can win out after these last 2 games.... pop tart bowl!!!!
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Meh this isn’t a Big 12 championship team even in the low probability we pop back up in the conversation a few weeks from now.
Meh, no one in the Big 12 is a Big 12 Championship team this year.
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Meh this isn’t a Big 12 championship team even in the low probability we pop back up in the conversation a few weeks from now.
+1
+2
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We're up 9 in the 4th quarter and we're throwing the rough ridin' ball inside our 25-30 when our defense is doing well? And that wasn't the only bad call. What a joke.
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We didn't force an incomplete pass in the game. Giddens, 50 yards on 17 carries. The last three teams we've played have decided to take DJamer out of the game, and we stubbornly insist on running the same DJamer up the middle game plan. There's at least 2 more losses coming with our pathetic D-backs and unimaginative offensive game plan.
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Special teams really hurt us today
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I think we can all agree the OC experiment this year is a failure.
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I enjoy the Alamo and Texas Bowls. Not gonna be bummed unless we don't play for the d pepper next year. That would be underachieving.
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I think we can all agree the OC experiment this year is a failure.
Conner Riley is a complete and total failure
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I think we can all agree the OC experiment this year is a failure.
He refuses to adjust to other teams adjusting.
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I'm starting to wonder whether it was a good idea to run off our proven-but-unspectacular Sr. pro-style QB so we could replace him with an unproven dual-threat QB we mostly use as a dink-and-dunk pro-style QB. On the bright side, our QB hasn't suffered through any major injuries thus far. This offense is surprisingly painful to watch.
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Need a real OC.
Any Big 12 champ this year will get smoked in the playoffs, just won and get a trophy, and let's get lit next year.
Shitty ass loss tho
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We need to stop treating Avery like a daisy. He can get hit and live.
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I'm starting to wonder whether it was a good idea to run off our proven-but-unspectacular Sr. pro-style QB so we could replace him with an unproven dual-threat QB we mostly use as a dink-and-dunk pro-style QB. On the bright side, our QB hasn't suffered through any major injuries thus far. This offense is surprisingly painful to watch.
The refusal to unleash AJ and Edwards' on the edge in bewildering. Especially because it works when we do and would loosen things up for DJamer between the tackles.
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Who knows what makes a successful season these days? I don't know myself.
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I'm starting to wonder whether it was a good idea to run off our proven-but-unspectacular Sr. pro-style QB so we could replace him with an unproven dual-threat QB we mostly use as a dink-and-dunk pro-style QB. On the bright side, our QB hasn't suffered through any major injuries thus far. This offense is surprisingly painful to watch.
The refusal to unleash AJ and Edwards' on the edge in bewildering. Especially because it works when we do and would loosen things up for DJamer between the tackles.
Why do that when we can just run DJamer through the same interior hole 3 times in a
Row for 3 total yards?
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Favorite stat of the night is Chriss not throwing a single incomplete pass against our clutch defense.
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We need to be portal shopping for stud D-backs, for sure. And maybe a new D-back coach. Will Terrance Newman come home? How much does he make as an assistant with the Vikings?
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Do these college kids even consider the fact that they are ruining my weekend when they pull stuff like this?
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Who knows what makes a successful season these days? I don't know myself
I would say a suscessful season starts with beating horrible teams when you are favored by double digits...
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I think we can all agree the OC experiment this year is a failure.
He refuses to adjust to other teams adjusting.
That was painful to watch, There has to be a change at OC next year whether an addition or subtraction. I just watched kstate continuously kick themselves in the D* because they kept hoping the next run up the middle was going to work like a degenerate hoping to win the powerball with his last $2.
Matt Wells is still riding the coat tails of Jordan Love, he needs to go back to a lower conference where you can get one player like an Ashton Jeanty and dominate inferior teams, it doesn't work in the P4 or he's too timid to tell Riley to go back to a line coach. That was 100% on the coaches and not the players.
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our safety, number 6, has no business cosplaying as a football player
i’m not even a football expert but pretty sure I’m 100% right
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#1 is equally as bad unfortunately
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#cultureloss
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Who knows what makes a successful season these days? I don't know myself.
The answer lies within my child.
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Who knows what makes a successful season these days? I don't know myself.
The answer lies within my child.
Gross, what did they eat?
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Who knows what makes a successful season these days? I don't know myself.
The answer lies within my child.
Gross, what did they eat?
A few commas, it would seem.
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#blogkaren - The Eeyore of gE
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Thank god it's basketball season.. :flush: (ftp://:flush:)
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I think we can all agree the OC experiment this year is a failure.
Conner Riley is a complete and total failure
Huard pointed out many times that Wells is the passing game coordinator. FWIW
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I think we can all agree the OC experiment this year is a failure.
Conner Riley is a complete and total failure
Huard pointed out many times that Wells is the passing game coordinator. FWIW
I watched most of the game on phone at a wedding reception, and am excited rewatch and listen to Huard’s commentary on the game, especially Avery and the passing game.
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we still have a clear path into the conference championship game
https://bball.notnothing.net/bracket.php?conf=big12fb
Ran through some scenarios and it seems we are still in good shape with tie breakers if a bunch of teams end up with 2 loss each..
Obviously we need CU to lose and for us to win out but if those 2 things happen a BYU/KSU rematch seems to be the only outcome regardless of who else is tied with 2 losses.
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Who is going to beat CU?
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Who is going to beat CU?
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Kansas!
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Texas Tech too
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Texas Tech too
Missed that one, crap. At Tech too.
Tom
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Scott Wildcat says this was the worst loss of the Klieman era. (Sometimes he can be given to hyperbole). Anyway, feels more flukely and not a referendum on the team given that the game was played in a driving rainstorm, etc.
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Scott Wildcat says this was the worst loss of the Klieman era. (Sometimes he can be given to hyperbole). Anyway, feels more flukely and not a referendum on the team given that the game was played in a driving rainstorm, etc.
Going to need an even more monumental faceplant to top losing to Arkansas State...
Houston ain't great, but they beat TCU and Utah too.
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He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.
We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.
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He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.
We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.
That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.
This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).
We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.
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He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.
We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.
This post forced me to remember the game that I assume is your #2, so thanks for that.
Where would the BYU loss fall in that scenario?
kono
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He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.
We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.
That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.
This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).
We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.
I agree with this, and if you asked me at the beginning of the year where I thought we’d be at this point, as a cynic homer I would’ve guessed 7-2 (but not these specific losses).
I think the ASU game is going to be a test and ISU remains a toss-up I wasn’t confident about base case (regardless of Houston game outcome).
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He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.
We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.
That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.
This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).
We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.
I don't agree with this thought process, at all. Why are we fortunate to have 3 one score wins? Can you tell me a good team that doesn't have close wins? You think Oregon fans are saying "we're lucky we didn't lose to Idaho, Boise, and Ohio State?" It's not 1998, no one wins games like that anymore. I don't know what being a top 12 team entails but if we won that game on Saturday we would have been ranked in, or right outside of it. Nearly all of the one and two loss teams ranked at the bottom of the top 10 and just outside of it have very similar profiles. I entered a bracket prediction contest today and I really struggled with teams 10-12 because there are so many teams that are indistinguishable right now.
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He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.
We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.
That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.
This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).
We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.
I don't agree with this thought process, at all. Why are we fortunate to have 3 one score wins? Can you tell me a good team that doesn't have close wins? You think Oregon fans are saying "we're lucky we didn't lose to Idaho, Boise, and Ohio State?" It's not 1998, no one wins games like that anymore. I don't know what being a top 12 team entails but if we won that game on Saturday we would have been ranked in, or right outside of it. Nearly all of the one and two loss teams ranked at the bottom of the top 10 and just outside of it have very similar profiles. I entered a bracket prediction contest today and I really struggled with teams 10-12 because there are so many teams that are indistinguishable right now.
Let me rephrase - we have played four close games this year and are 3-1. Of the three wins, one is against a fringy top 25 team (Colorado), one is against a team that is good by lower conference standards (Tulane) and one is against a team that won't go to a bowl game this year (KU).
Most good teams do have close games during the season, but, most of the time, those games are against teams of similar aptitude (certainly not always, but most of the time). Colorado will need to win the Big 12 to make the playoffs, which is possible, but otherwise, they (and the other 3 teams) won't make it.
The point here is that we've been skating on thin ice for, quite literally, almost half of our games this year, which says to me that we don't truly belong in the playoff conversation. Could we have been if we hadn't laid a turd against Houston? Sure, but my view is that it would have only delayed our exodus from that conversation because I do think we'll lose 2 of the next three (obviously hope I'm wrong). And, that's to say nothing of even being in a competitive game against Houston in the first place.
The secondary point is that I think reasonable fans always viewed this as the bridge year to next year, which is when my expectations will be higher.
The circumstances are certainly different due to the playoffs, but I can't see saying this Houston loss is on the same level as any during the 1997-2003 seasons (minus 2001) or 2012. I say that because my expectations were never at the same level as those years (and, perhaps unfairly, it's also based on how I think this team will finish).
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He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.
We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.
That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.
This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).
We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.
I don't agree with this thought process, at all. Why are we fortunate to have 3 one score wins? Can you tell me a good team that doesn't have close wins? You think Oregon fans are saying "we're lucky we didn't lose to Idaho, Boise, and Ohio State?" It's not 1998, no one wins games like that anymore. I don't know what being a top 12 team entails but if we won that game on Saturday we would have been ranked in, or right outside of it. Nearly all of the one and two loss teams ranked at the bottom of the top 10 and just outside of it have very similar profiles. I entered a bracket prediction contest today and I really struggled with teams 10-12 because there are so many teams that are indistinguishable right now.
Let me rephrase - we have played four close games this year and are 3-1. Of the three wins, one is against a fringy top 25 team (Colorado), one is against a team that is good by lower conference standards (Tulane) and one is against a team that won't go to a bowl game this year (KU).
Most good teams do have close games during the season, but, most of the time, those games are against teams of similar aptitude (certainly not always, but most of the time). Colorado will need to win the Big 12 to make the playoffs, which is possible, but otherwise, they (and the other 3 teams) won't make it.
The point here is that we've been skating on thin ice for, quite literally, almost half of our games this year, which says to me that we don't truly belong in the playoff conversation. Could we have been if we hadn't laid a turd against Houston? Sure, but my view is that it would have only delayed our exodus from that conversation because I do think we'll lose 2 of the next three (obviously hope I'm wrong). And, that's to say nothing of even being in a competitive game against Houston in the first place.
The secondary point is that I think reasonable fans always viewed this as the bridge year to next year, which is when my expectations will be higher.
The circumstances are certainly different due to the playoffs, but I can't see saying this Houston loss is on the same level as any during the 1997-2003 seasons (minus 2001) or 2012. I say that because my expectations were never at the same level as those years (and, perhaps unfairly, it's also based on how I think this team will finish).
In August it was completely reasonable to think this team had a better than good shot at winning the conference. Meaning a better than good shot of making the CFP. After a few games into the season it would be reasonable to think we were going to get boat raced the first game we played no matter who it was against, but in terms of expectations I'm not sure how this year would differ from those early BCS years. Is it just because there are 12 teams that have a shot at winning the whole thing instead of just 2?
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He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.
We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.
That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.
This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).
We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.
I don't agree with this thought process, at all. Why are we fortunate to have 3 one score wins? Can you tell me a good team that doesn't have close wins? You think Oregon fans are saying "we're lucky we didn't lose to Idaho, Boise, and Ohio State?" It's not 1998, no one wins games like that anymore. I don't know what being a top 12 team entails but if we won that game on Saturday we would have been ranked in, or right outside of it. Nearly all of the one and two loss teams ranked at the bottom of the top 10 and just outside of it have very similar profiles. I entered a bracket prediction contest today and I really struggled with teams 10-12 because there are so many teams that are indistinguishable right now.
Let me rephrase - we have played four close games this year and are 3-1. Of the three wins, one is against a fringy top 25 team (Colorado), one is against a team that is good by lower conference standards (Tulane) and one is against a team that won't go to a bowl game this year (KU).
Most good teams do have close games during the season, but, most of the time, those games are against teams of similar aptitude (certainly not always, but most of the time). Colorado will need to win the Big 12 to make the playoffs, which is possible, but otherwise, they (and the other 3 teams) won't make it.
The point here is that we've been skating on thin ice for, quite literally, almost half of our games this year, which says to me that we don't truly belong in the playoff conversation. Could we have been if we hadn't laid a turd against Houston? Sure, but my view is that it would have only delayed our exodus from that conversation because I do think we'll lose 2 of the next three (obviously hope I'm wrong). And, that's to say nothing of even being in a competitive game against Houston in the first place.
The secondary point is that I think reasonable fans always viewed this as the bridge year to next year, which is when my expectations will be higher.
The circumstances are certainly different due to the playoffs, but I can't see saying this Houston loss is on the same level as any during the 1997-2003 seasons (minus 2001) or 2012. I say that because my expectations were never at the same level as those years (and, perhaps unfairly, it's also based on how I think this team will finish).
In August it was completely reasonable to think this team had a better than good shot at winning the conference. Meaning a better than good shot of making the CFP. After a few games into the season it would be reasonable to think we were going to get boat raced the first game we played no matter who it was against, but in terms of expectations I'm not sure how this year would differ from those early BCS years. Is it just because there are 12 teams that have a shot at winning the whole thing instead of just 2?
For me, in most of those years, I entered the season thinking we were one of the 10 best teams in the country. I never believed that this year even knowing a Big 12 title/playoff berth was possible. That tempered my expectations.
Klieman's inability to make it through a September yet without a loss probably plays into that as well.
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He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.
We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.
That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.
This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).
We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.
I don't agree with this thought process, at all. Why are we fortunate to have 3 one score wins? Can you tell me a good team that doesn't have close wins? You think Oregon fans are saying "we're lucky we didn't lose to Idaho, Boise, and Ohio State?" It's not 1998, no one wins games like that anymore. I don't know what being a top 12 team entails but if we won that game on Saturday we would have been ranked in, or right outside of it. Nearly all of the one and two loss teams ranked at the bottom of the top 10 and just outside of it have very similar profiles. I entered a bracket prediction contest today and I really struggled with teams 10-12 because there are so many teams that are indistinguishable right now.
Let me rephrase - we have played four close games this year and are 3-1. Of the three wins, one is against a fringy top 25 team (Colorado), one is against a team that is good by lower conference standards (Tulane) and one is against a team that won't go to a bowl game this year (KU).
Most good teams do have close games during the season, but, most of the time, those games are against teams of similar aptitude (certainly not always, but most of the time). Colorado will need to win the Big 12 to make the playoffs, which is possible, but otherwise, they (and the other 3 teams) won't make it.
The point here is that we've been skating on thin ice for, quite literally, almost half of our games this year, which says to me that we don't truly belong in the playoff conversation. Could we have been if we hadn't laid a turd against Houston? Sure, but my view is that it would have only delayed our exodus from that conversation because I do think we'll lose 2 of the next three (obviously hope I'm wrong). And, that's to say nothing of even being in a competitive game against Houston in the first place.
The secondary point is that I think reasonable fans always viewed this as the bridge year to next year, which is when my expectations will be higher.
The circumstances are certainly different due to the playoffs, but I can't see saying this Houston loss is on the same level as any during the 1997-2003 seasons (minus 2001) or 2012. I say that because my expectations were never at the same level as those years (and, perhaps unfairly, it's also based on how I think this team will finish).
In August it was completely reasonable to think this team had a better than good shot at winning the conference. Meaning a better than good shot of making the CFP. After a few games into the season it would be reasonable to think we were going to get boat raced the first game we played no matter who it was against, but in terms of expectations I'm not sure how this year would differ from those early BCS years. Is it just because there are 12 teams that have a shot at winning the whole thing instead of just 2?
For me, in most of those years, I entered the season thinking we were one of the 10 best teams in the country. I never believed that this year even knowing a Big 12 title/playoff berth was possible. That tempered my expectations.
Klieman's inability to make it through a September yet without a loss probably plays into that as well.
That’s fair. He’s also been amazingly consistent with losing a total WTFer of a game every year. Like just amazing
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My biggest hope for the season is our rayhawk brothers will pave the way for our third big 12 championship.
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B12 brass has to want CU in the CCG. KU is going to have to play 11 vs 14.
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My biggest hope for the season is our rayhawk brothers will pave the way for our third big 12 championship.
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Man I suck, I didn't think of '03
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That’s fair. He’s also been amazingly consistent with losing a total WTFer of a game every year. Like just amazing
this is like, everyone in college football that doesn't win a national title these days.
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My biggest hope for the season is our rayhawk brothers will pave the way for our third big 12 championship.
third?
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My biggest hope for the season is our rayhawk brothers will pave the way for our third big 12 championship.
third?
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Dangit b'eater I already apologized
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rough ridin' THREE??
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rough ridin' THREE??
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:ROFL: