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Title: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: chum1 on December 06, 2023, 08:03:36 AM
Brian Ferentz is available. Why not?
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Post by: catastrophe on December 06, 2023, 08:05:27 AM
Let’s get that new Penn State OC.
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Post by: wetwillie on December 06, 2023, 08:07:44 AM
Brian Lepak
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Post by: CHONGS on December 06, 2023, 08:12:24 AM
Sean Snyder
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Post by: CHONGS on December 06, 2023, 08:13:35 AM
Mike Bobo
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Post by: star seed 7 on December 06, 2023, 08:20:54 AM
Whoever it is will probably suck
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Post by: OB_Won on December 06, 2023, 08:26:03 AM
Somebody who spent time in North Dakota.
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Post by: Hullabaloo on December 06, 2023, 08:27:17 AM
Per ESPN:  "Offensive line coach Connor Riley is expected to be a candidate to replace Klein, a source said."
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Post by: Cire on December 06, 2023, 08:28:51 AM
Gross


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Post by: CNS on December 06, 2023, 08:28:57 AM
Let’s get that new Penn State OC.

It does suck that this happened in the order that it did. 
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Post by: XocolateThundarr on December 06, 2023, 08:31:54 AM
I nominate MIR.
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Post by: OB_Won on December 06, 2023, 08:33:50 AM
Let’s get that new Penn State OC.

It does suck that this happened in the order that it did.
CK turning PSU down is what helped take KU’s OC.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 06, 2023, 08:52:04 AM
Somebody who spent time in North Dakota.

Most likely. At the very least it will be: "a guy who wants to be at Kansas State". "a real leader", "a guy with a midwestern attitude".
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Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2023, 08:52:49 AM
Who is the last new coach we hired from North Dakota you dweebs
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Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 06, 2023, 08:54:26 AM
Somebody who spent time in North Dakota.

Most likely. At the very least it will be: "a guy who wants to be at Kansas State". "a real leader", "a guy with a midwestern attitude".
:love:
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Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 06, 2023, 09:43:43 AM
I nominate MIR.
I second MIR
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Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 06, 2023, 10:19:44 AM
Kliff Kingsbury  :ksu:
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Post by: WildcatNkilt on December 06, 2023, 10:24:02 AM
Dana Holgorsen?
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Post by: ChiComCat on December 06, 2023, 10:27:14 AM
Probably Connor Riley given that we waited until after bowl season when we fired our last OC.  If we waited that long when we knew we were about to have a vacancy, we aren't going to have our crap together this time.

On the plus side, I would think some decent OCs would want to work with Avery (assuming he stays, which I think he will).
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Post by: cfbandyman on December 06, 2023, 10:29:08 AM
eff it being in Bishop
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Post by: IPA4Me on December 06, 2023, 10:40:12 AM
https://twitter.com/HazenShort/status/1732438767305179354?t=pQNfBIHo65DSabhShqtApA&s=19
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: star seed 7 on December 06, 2023, 10:45:00 AM
Bless this mess
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Post by: ChiComCat on December 06, 2023, 10:50:59 AM
Dimel's agent probably has a packet ready for Klieman to look at.
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Post by: WildcatNkilt on December 06, 2023, 11:17:26 AM
Dana makes a lot of sense for OC and QB coach. Kingsbury is still available and he could recruit some dudes by bringing his hot gf with him on visits. 
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: cfbandyman on December 06, 2023, 11:29:55 AM
Dana makes a lot of sense for OC and QB coach. Kingsbury is still available and he could recruit some dudes by bringing his hot gf with him on visits.

Swagbury on our sideline would be hot AF
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Post by: WildcatNkilt on December 06, 2023, 11:31:00 AM
Dana makes a lot of sense for OC and QB coach. Kingsbury is still available and he could recruit some dudes by bringing his hot gf with him on visits.

Swagbury on our sideline would be hot AF

Swagbury + Sunshine would break televisions. 
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 06, 2023, 11:51:20 AM
I nominate MIR.
I second MIR

I'd hire Avery's dad as the backs and receivers coach
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 06, 2023, 12:41:37 PM
Dana makes a lot of sense for OC and QB coach. Kingsbury is still available and he could recruit some dudes by bringing his hot gf with him on visits.

Dana makes a lot of sense if you are ok with Avery playing with a separated shoulder and going down for the season sometime around week 8.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2023, 12:42:02 PM
I'm seriously all in on Lepak
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Post by: wetwillie on December 06, 2023, 12:56:27 PM
Matt Wells is probably on the short list. I guess HCCK has to give Riley an interview but I don't like that at all.
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Post by: steve dave on December 06, 2023, 02:03:03 PM
I'm seriously all in on Lepak
Yes, I see it as an upgrade


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Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 06, 2023, 02:06:49 PM
Dana makes a lot of sense for OC and QB coach. Kingsbury is still available and he could recruit some dudes by bringing his hot gf with him on visits.

Swagbury on our sideline would be hot AF

Kingsbury and the calf just cracking each other up on the sidelines during a blowout over Utah would be amaze
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: deputy dawg on December 06, 2023, 02:07:48 PM
Dana makes a lot of sense for OC and QB coach. Kingsbury is still available and he could recruit some dudes by bringing his hot gf with him on visits.

If recruits go for plumped lips (Kingsbury GF), you are on to something.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Cire on December 06, 2023, 02:10:44 PM
I doubt Wells would come on as a "Co" coordinator.  But I could see them hiring someone young and making Riley "co".

At this point, I'd give it to Lepak/Riley as Co "run game/pass game" and try to hire a recruiter.

I would imagine that Wells would be first option, make him say no.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: wetwillie on December 06, 2023, 02:45:50 PM
Provided Avery stays regardless I think my preference is:



1. Wells OC/QB
2. Lepak OC/TE Buford QB
3. Riley CO OC/RGC   /   Lepak CO OC / PGC
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: kim carnes on December 06, 2023, 02:46:09 PM
My sources are saying Jordy…
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Post by: kim carnes on December 06, 2023, 02:48:48 PM
I made it up guys lmao
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Post by: schreds21 on December 06, 2023, 02:52:47 PM
Nah.  Jordyn is going to be the new bball coach when Tang tells Linton to kick rocks and leaves.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: wetwillie on December 06, 2023, 04:09:08 PM
Looks like we might replace our 34 year old white guy with another 34 year old white guy
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Post by: stunted on December 06, 2023, 04:11:19 PM
Brad Korn?
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Post by: pissclams on December 06, 2023, 04:12:28 PM
Brad Korn?
DROOL
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Post by: wetwillie on December 06, 2023, 04:50:00 PM
Brad Korn?

Pretty close @mocat where did Liberty rank offensively in snowbrag this year?
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Post by: mocat on December 06, 2023, 05:51:09 PM
Brad Korn?

Pretty close @mocat where did Liberty rank offensively in snowbrag this year?

Liberty's offense is amazing, but hard to judge since they faced the 87th toughest defense SOS (according to snowbrag)

Liberty offense (FBS rank)
rush YPP: 6.1 (2nd)
pass YPP: 9.9 (3rd)
total YPP 7.3 (4th)
PPP: 0.58 (8th)
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Cire on December 06, 2023, 06:42:53 PM
Is going to be Connor Riley


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Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: jtksu on December 11, 2023, 03:07:42 PM
Is going to be Connor Riley


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Everything is just kind of a bummer lately.
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2023, 03:41:09 PM
Is going to be Connor Riley


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Everything is just kind of a bummer lately.

Did we like the offense we were running or not?
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Post by: michigancat on December 11, 2023, 03:59:32 PM
Is going to be Connor Riley


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Everything is just kind of a bummer lately.

Did we like the offense we were running or not?
I feel like a decent portion of the fan base has a bit of a fetish for thinking they're getting kicked in the nuts
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Post by: ELL3 on December 11, 2023, 09:15:46 PM
Is going to be Connor Riley


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Everything is just kind of a bummer lately.

Did we like the offense we were running or not?
I feel like a decent portion of the fan base has a bit of a fetish for thinking they're getting kicked in the nuts

Red Meat for the Kenn and TMCATS crew: O Line Coach calling plays, use of fullback position, going under center a lot, jumbo Joe Hall backfield, throw to tight end, run the ball and enjoy it, DO NOT go for it on fourth down! 
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Post by: wetwillie on December 11, 2023, 09:46:14 PM
Did the Riley thing get announced or is this just speculation?
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2023, 10:02:11 PM
Speculation
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Post by: ChiComCat on December 12, 2023, 03:48:05 PM
I thought someone on twitter tracked a plane from Norman a couple days after Klein left that was assumed to be Wells. If there was much smoke there though, I’d assume we’d of heard something by now.

I hate this bowl game tryout crap (if that is what we’re doing again). It worked fine with Klein but limits our options if things go south. It also keeps things unclear in a prime recruitment period.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 12, 2023, 07:03:23 PM
I would rather Klieman spend the last week+ of the early signing period with recruits instead of rushing to hire a coordinator who won't be able to impact the early signing period anyway. Spend every minute you can trying to keep guys like Blake Barnett in the fold, worry about they OC after the 20th
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: jtksu on December 12, 2023, 09:22:19 PM
Is going to be Connor Riley


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Everything is just kind of a bummer lately.

Did we like the offense we were running or not?
I feel like a decent portion of the fan base has a bit of a fetish for thinking they're getting kicked in the nuts

I don't have any idea what type of offense he'll call.  The offenses he was around at NDSU were big time of possession type teams.  I guess it's possible he'll run a Klein type of offense...
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Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2023, 06:37:50 AM
Is going to be Connor Riley


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Everything is just kind of a bummer lately.

Did we like the offense we were running or not?
I feel like a decent portion of the fan base has a bit of a fetish for thinking they're getting kicked in the nuts

I don't have any idea what type of offense he'll call.  The offenses he was around at NDSU were big time of possession type teams.  I guess it's possible he'll run a Klein type of offense...
I mean he's been at KSU just as long as he was at NDSU and he worked with both Messingham and Klein at KSU and saw how both Mess and Klein left so who do you think he would be most likely to emulate?
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: stunted on December 13, 2023, 06:57:12 AM
riley just doesn't pass the eye test for me (his face)
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Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2023, 06:57:51 AM
I think he will run whatever Avery tells him to run
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Post by: Cire on December 13, 2023, 10:02:35 AM
I DON'T KNOW FOR FACT but I am pretty sure that Riley has essentially been the "run game" coordinator which means that he has designed the blocking schemes of our run game.

I think everyone would agree that our running game has been pretty good.

So that leaves designing the route concepts, maybe he just uses what CK used mixed with the position coach input.

Then once you have your offense installed, it's about developing a game plan to attack a defense based on what you anticipate them doing to you. mizzou, OSU, and Texas especially out gameplanned us this year and by the time we adjusted, too little to late.

The game planning and play calling is what separates great offensive coordinators/minds from the rest and why some guys get paid a lot and are sought after.

I've always felt like CK excelled at play calling more so even than play design.  We've had some good and some pretty creative blocking schemes though, and even evolved since Mess left and CK took over.  I think Riley probably has had a lot to do with that.

That's something that Snyders offenses also excelled at, and there were a lot of advanced metrics to measure missed tackles created and one on one opportunities created.

I'm fine to give Riley a shot if the bowl game goes well because I think they have really good schemes.  Whether or not he's a good play caller will just have to remain to be seen.



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Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2023, 10:13:14 AM
Who coaches the OL if he's OC? Who coaches the QB's?
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Post by: deputy dawg on December 13, 2023, 10:25:39 AM
I DON'T KNOW FOR FACT but I am pretty sure that Riley has essentially been the "run game" coordinator which means that he has designed the blocking schemes of our run game.

I think everyone would agree that our running game has been pretty good.

So that leaves designing the route concepts, maybe he just uses what CK used mixed with the position coach input.

Then once you have your offense installed, it's about developing a game plan to attack a defense based on what you anticipate them doing to you. mizzou, OSU, and Texas especially out gameplanned us this year and by the time we adjusted, too little to late.

The game planning and play calling is what separates great offensive coordinators/minds from the rest and why some guys get paid a lot and are sought after.

I've always felt like CK excelled at play calling more so even than play design.  We've had some good and some pretty creative blocking schemes though, and even evolved since Mess left and CK took over.  I think Riley probably has had a lot to do with that.

That's something that Snyders offenses also excelled at, and there were a lot of advanced metrics to measure missed tackles created and one on one opportunities created.

I'm fine to give Riley a shot if the bowl game goes well because I think they have really good schemes.  Whether or not he's a good play caller will just have to remain to be seen.

 :thumbsup:
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Post by: joda on December 13, 2023, 10:40:25 AM
Riley has seemingly been a great OL coach from both a development and recruiting standpoint, so if giving him OC keeps him around and CK thinks he can do the job I’m good with it. Wouldn’t complain about bringing in a high end QB coach and giving co-OC
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Post by: Cire on December 13, 2023, 11:19:15 AM
Who coaches the OL if he's OC? Who coaches the QB's?

We have 1 staff opening. 

That hire's going to be important.  I bet most qb coaches are coordinators though

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Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2023, 11:54:22 AM
Who coaches the OL if he's OC? Who coaches the QB's?

We have 1 staff opening. 

That hire's going to be important.  I bet most qb coaches are coordinators though

He's not going to be OC/OL that's too much. He will have to be OC/TE I think. That means you would shift Lepak to OL or replace him with an OL coach.  Then you fill your opening with a QB coach, maybe Buford.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Cire on December 13, 2023, 12:23:37 PM
Who coaches the OL if he's OC? Who coaches the QB's?

We have 1 staff opening. 

That hire's going to be important.  I bet most qb coaches are coordinators though

He's not going to be OC/OL that's too much. He will have to be OC/TE I think. That means you would shift Lepak to OL or replace him with an OL coach.  Then you fill your opening with a QB coach, maybe Buford.

There's Oline coach/OC's out there but I think most are title only.  Andy Kotelnicky was but I bet Leipold helped with a lot of the game planning and scheming and Kotelnicky was the play caller.

I bet most of them are game planners and schemers but not the playcaller.  I think USC has an oline/OC but Lincoln Riley calls the plays obviously. 
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Spracne on December 13, 2023, 01:29:41 PM
AK was not KU's OL coach. That would be Fuchs.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Cire on December 13, 2023, 01:37:11 PM
AK was not KU's OL coach. That would be Fuchs.

Correction noted.

What did AK coach?
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Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2023, 01:40:58 PM
Leave it to cire to Fuch up KU's position coaches
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Post by: Spracne on December 13, 2023, 01:53:18 PM
AK was not KU's OL coach. That would be Fuchs.

Correction noted.

What did AK coach?

TE, I think.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2023, 02:58:48 PM
Leave it to cire to Fuch up KU's position coaches

I laughed
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Post by: jtksu on December 28, 2023, 10:30:18 PM
Is going to be Connor Riley


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Everything is just kind of a bummer lately.

Did we like the offense we were running or not?
I feel like a decent portion of the fan base has a bit of a fetish for thinking they're getting kicked in the nuts

I don't have any idea what type of offense he'll call.  The offenses he was around at NDSU were big time of possession type teams.  I guess it's possible he'll run a Klein type of offense...
I mean he's been at KSU just as long as he was at NDSU and he worked with both Messingham and Klein at KSU and saw how both Mess and Klein left so who do you think he would be most likely to emulate?

 :dunno:
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 28, 2023, 11:00:27 PM
Maybe we could hire that Eric The Enemy guy?
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Post by: bananaeater on December 28, 2023, 11:56:09 PM
Is Dickey still at OSU?  always liked that guy
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Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 29, 2023, 08:29:37 AM
If post game comments mean anything, (they probably don't), they are already greasing us to prepare for a Riley announcement.
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Post by: EMAWzifried on December 29, 2023, 09:22:10 AM
We need someone as creative as Johnnson.
Title: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: catastrophe on December 29, 2023, 10:21:38 AM
I liked how we started out calling like 5 straight run plays until they stopped it. I feel like that really got the line fired up.

I didn’t like how for the first three quarters it seemed like we were playing with an NFL Blitz playbook: RB dive, short pass to the flat, short slant.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: DQ12 on December 29, 2023, 10:30:06 AM
Only real criticism I have of Riley was being a little slow in recognizing that NC St. was cheating on Giddens' first down runs following halftime.  But running him on first down worked great in the first half, and I'm pretty lenient on OCs who keep doing the thing that's been working a lot (even after it stops working).  "WE'RE SO PREDICTABLE!" yeah maybe, but we're predictable because the thing everyone knows we're about to run had a ~90% success rate in the first half.

For those interested, here are all our first down plays lastnight:

1st Downs   
DJamer Run   20
DJamer Run   13
DJamer Run   5
KJ run   -1
AJ pass   0
DJamer run   4
AJ run   0
DJamer run   9
DJamer run   4 (TD)
AJ Pass   7
DJamer run   5
AJ Pass   10
AJ pass   4
AJ Pass   0
HALFTIME   
DJamer run   -1
DJamer run   -4
DJamer run   -1

AJ Pass   22
AJ Pass   5
DJamer run   -1
AJ pass   0
DJamer Run   2
Jackson run   7
DJamer run   4
DJamer run   8
DJamer run   2
DJamer run   20
DJamer run   2

The "bad" stretch is bolded.

All in all, I don't really have many complaints about Riley from lastnight.  I'm extremely forgiving of OCs though, generally speaking.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 29, 2023, 10:48:14 AM
I liked seeing "The Beef" assert themselves to rack up first downs in 4Q. DJamer was a beast last night.
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Post by: cfbandyman on December 29, 2023, 10:56:52 AM
I liked seeing "The Beef" assert themselves to rack up first downs in 4Q. DJamer was a beast last night.

It was so satisfying to see late in the game. We definitely looked  not great most of the second half, but as it wore on they shined
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Pete on December 29, 2023, 11:01:34 AM
Totally agree with @DQ12 , and his breakdown was great.

If we can improve just a little bit in the passing game, they won't be able to cheat like that.  I came away very impressed, actually.

Avery was throwing behind guys a little bit on crossing routes, but other than that I wasn't displeased with his completion percentage at all.  Zero passes that I can remember where I said "WTF," like we saw all the time with Howard when he was young.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Pete on December 29, 2023, 11:03:49 AM
Also, this dude GUSHED non-stop about Avery and said Avery may end up being the best QB in the country before he's done.

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Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: michigancat on December 29, 2023, 11:14:40 AM


Totally agree with @DQ12 , and his breakdown was great.

If we can improve just a little bit in the passing game, they won't be able to cheat like that.  I came away very impressed, actually.

Avery was throwing behind guys a little bit on crossing routes, but other than that I wasn't displeased with his completion percentage at all.  Zero passes that I can remember where I said "WTF," like we saw all the time with Howard when he was young.

Yeah he didn't force anything, even when we were struggling in the 3rd. Huge for someone his age.

I also think you'll see a lot of improvement when receivers get used to how long he can extend plays and know how to handle it better
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: steve dave on December 29, 2023, 11:33:22 AM
he throws too hard. stings the hands. maybe don't whizz it in there so much. do a floater.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: cfbandyman on December 29, 2023, 11:33:27 AM
Totally agree with @DQ12 , and his breakdown was great.

If we can improve just a little bit in the passing game, they won't be able to cheat like that.  I came away very impressed, actually.

Avery was throwing behind guys a little bit on crossing routes, but other than that I wasn't displeased with his completion percentage at all.  Zero passes that I can remember where I said "WTF," like we saw all the time with Howard when he was young.

For sure, the passes behind and a few short hops I can think of can all be improved upon. Else he did really well
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 29, 2023, 11:57:19 AM
he throws too hard. stings the hands. maybe don't whizz it in there so much. do a floater.

I feel like he tried to do that on the one ball that was like 2 yards short to an open dude when he rolled out
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: catastrophe on December 29, 2023, 12:01:11 PM
he throws too hard. stings the hands. maybe don't whizz it in there so much. do a floater.
Our WRs have an entire offseason to build up the callouses necessary to catch an Avery ball.

Bonus: they’re basically INT proof.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: DQ12 on December 29, 2023, 12:15:34 PM
he throws too hard. stings the hands. maybe don't whizz it in there so much. do a floater.
That part reminds me of early Ell.  Though Avery is leagues more accurate than early Ell.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: cfbandyman on December 29, 2023, 12:26:45 PM
he throws too hard. stings the hands. maybe don't whizz it in there so much. do a floater.
Our WRs have an entire offseason to build up the callouses necessary to catch an Avery ball.

Bonus: they’re basically INT proof.

We will 100% be the beneficiary of a sure pick that goes through a defenders hands and into ours
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Dr. Fausto Rindón on December 29, 2023, 12:44:46 PM
he throws too hard. stings the hands. maybe don't whizz it in there so much. do a floater.

I feel like he tried to do that on the one ball that was like 2 yards short to an open dude when he rolled out
Late game pass to a wide open Swanson?  It was a bad pass, but I thought Swanson should have come back to the ball to help Avery out.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: pissclams on December 29, 2023, 01:58:02 PM
the big 12 has already agreed to using kevlar coating on footballs next season to prevent avery from melting pigskins
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: pissclams on December 29, 2023, 01:59:23 PM
although eating fresh CHICHARRONES at the bill sounds good too
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: catastrophe on December 29, 2023, 05:20:46 PM
he throws too hard. stings the hands. maybe don't whizz it in there so much. do a floater.

I feel like he tried to do that on the one ball that was like 2 yards short to an open dude when he rolled out
Late game pass to a wide open Swanson?  It was a bad pass, but I thought Swanson should have come back to the ball to help Avery out.
Agreed on this. I think the incompletion was probably 50% bad throw and 50% not being on the same page. The way Avery had been slinging it Swanson had no reason to think he’d need to come back to the ball.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: cfbandyman on January 02, 2024, 01:30:46 PM
Twitter talking heads seem to think it's Matt Wells
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2024, 01:33:19 PM
give me lepak

Looks like Wells has been an OC for one year???? pass
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: steve dave on January 02, 2024, 02:26:39 PM
yeah, lepak has the upside I crave
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Stupid Fitz on January 02, 2024, 02:37:25 PM
I have very low other team's OCIQ and was sort of happy about this Wells fellow, but you guys have already ruined it. Would this be better than hiring our OL coach?  :pray:
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: DQ12 on January 02, 2024, 02:44:02 PM
This is more or less fine.  I don't love it, but we could've done a lot, lot worse imo.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: meow meow on January 02, 2024, 03:25:33 PM
this would be good for texas 'cruiting, no?
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: nicname on January 02, 2024, 03:31:47 PM
Total home run imo.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2024, 03:56:26 PM
This is more or less fine.  I don't love it, but we could've done a lot, lot worse imo.

this would be good for texas 'cruiting, no?

of course we could do worse, but I'd rather just promote from within, even if it's Riley, and hire a young guy from Texas if we want to improve recruiting somewhere. Wells as coached in TX a grand total of 3 seasons and hasn't been on the recruiting trail for over 2 years. Plus he's likely the top replacement for Kleiman if he retires/leaves.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: meow meow on January 02, 2024, 04:05:20 PM
wanting to promote an o-line coach over hiring a former p5 head coach might be a signs you're getting old thread post
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2024, 04:10:26 PM
wanting to promote an o-line coach over hiring a former p5 head coach might be a signs you're getting old thread post

I don't think being a head coach, even a good one, makes you a good coordinator (and vice versa). they're completely different jobs! And Wells was both a shitty head coach with a single year of OC experience - I don't think preferring to promote from within and replacing young is worse for KSU. probably saves some money and probably wouldn't have much of a negative impact if any given the OL success.

However, my truly hot take is just let Avery pick the next OC.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: wetwillie on January 02, 2024, 04:27:31 PM
Avery handpicked Wells due to his development of Jordan Love.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2024, 04:28:04 PM
This is more or less fine.  I don't love it, but we could've done a lot, lot worse imo.

this would be good for texas 'cruiting, no?

of course we could do worse, but I'd rather just promote from within, even if it's Riley, and hire a young guy from Texas if we want to improve recruiting somewhere. Wells as coached in TX a grand total of 3 seasons and hasn't been on the recruiting trail for over 2 years. Plus he's likely the top replacement for Kleiman if he retires/leaves.

FWIW, we are promoting from within. Wells is going to be the Co-Coordinator and passing game coordinator. He's done this same thing at Navy and Utah State. I know you keep going to the one year thing, but it was only one year because he did the job so well, in that year, he got promoted, and Jordan Love drafted in the first round. He wasn't fired.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: meow meow on January 02, 2024, 04:30:06 PM
just bustin your ball(s).  i know nothing about matt wells other than tech hired him a few years ago from Utah State and he subsequently was fired.  klieman loves riley so if he ends up choosing wells, i think that says something.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Kid In the Hall on January 02, 2024, 04:42:22 PM
No idea if he was calling plays (doubt it), but the offenses under Wells at both USU and TT were both, on the whole, pretty underwhelming. He had one truly great year at USU (his last), but several years of mediocre/bad offenses from a scoring standpoint (including one in which they were 107th in scoring).

This is a completely meh hire, but it could have been worse (see The Mess).
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 02, 2024, 05:02:27 PM
I'm kind of rooting for Riley. He's probably the best position coach we have and I like the idea of keeping continuity.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2024, 05:04:23 PM
just bustin your ball(s).  i know nothing about matt wells other than tech hired him a few years ago from Utah State and he subsequently was fired.  klieman loves riley so if he ends up choosing wells, i think that says something.

He's supposedly tight buds with Wells, so I don't think it says a ton
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: meow meow on January 02, 2024, 05:12:01 PM
just bustin your ball(s).  i know nothing about matt wells other than tech hired him a few years ago from Utah State and he subsequently was fired.  klieman loves riley so if he ends up choosing wells, i think that says something.

He's supposedly tight buds with Wells, so I don't think it says a ton

IT SAYS HE HAS A TON (at least 4) OF FRIENDS!
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2024, 05:18:01 PM
This is more or less fine.  I don't love it, but we could've done a lot, lot worse imo.

this would be good for texas 'cruiting, no?

of course we could do worse, but I'd rather just promote from within, even if it's Riley, and hire a young guy from Texas if we want to improve recruiting somewhere. Wells as coached in TX a grand total of 3 seasons and hasn't been on the recruiting trail for over 2 years. Plus he's likely the top replacement for Kleiman if he retires/leaves.

FWIW, we are promoting from within. Wells is going to be the Co-Coordinator and passing game coordinator. He's done this same thing at Navy and Utah State. I know you keep going to the one year thing, but it was only one year because he did the job so well, in that year, he got promoted, and Jordan Love drafted in the first round. He wasn't fired.

This is more or less fine.  I don't love it, but we could've done a lot, lot worse imo.

this would be good for texas 'cruiting, no?

of course we could do worse, but I'd rather just promote from within, even if it's Riley, and hire a young guy from Texas if we want to improve recruiting somewhere. Wells as coached in TX a grand total of 3 seasons and hasn't been on the recruiting trail for over 2 years. Plus he's likely the top replacement for Kleiman if he retires/leaves.

FWIW, we are promoting from within. Wells is going to be the Co-Coordinator and passing game coordinator. He's done this same thing at Navy and Utah State. I know you keep going to the one year thing, but it was only one year because he did the job so well, in that year, he got promoted, and Jordan Love drafted in the first round. He wasn't fired.

I'm sure he did a fine job and didn't mean to imply he was fired after that year but I don't see co-oc on his resume at usu or Navy.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: wetwillie on January 02, 2024, 05:46:18 PM
Have we covered that this is likely a Co-OC situation with Riley?  I see it as a safety net for Riley to grow into a full blown OC and Wells gets to rehab himself into a HC again.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: cfbandyman on January 02, 2024, 06:01:48 PM
Have we covered that this is likely a Co-OC situation with Riley?  I see it as a safety net for Riley to grow into a full blown OC and Wells gets to rehab himself into a HC again.

That's what I think
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 03, 2024, 01:08:44 AM
This is more or less fine.  I don't love it, but we could've done a lot, lot worse imo.

this would be good for texas 'cruiting, no?

of course we could do worse, but I'd rather just promote from within, even if it's Riley, and hire a young guy from Texas if we want to improve recruiting somewhere. Wells as coached in TX a grand total of 3 seasons and hasn't been on the recruiting trail for over 2 years. Plus he's likely the top replacement for Kleiman if he retires/leaves.

FWIW, we are promoting from within. Wells is going to be the Co-Coordinator and passing game coordinator. He's done this same thing at Navy and Utah State. I know you keep going to the one year thing, but it was only one year because he did the job so well, in that year, he got promoted, and Jordan Love drafted in the first round. He wasn't fired.

This is more or less fine.  I don't love it, but we could've done a lot, lot worse imo.

this would be good for texas 'cruiting, no?

of course we could do worse, but I'd rather just promote from within, even if it's Riley, and hire a young guy from Texas if we want to improve recruiting somewhere. Wells as coached in TX a grand total of 3 seasons and hasn't been on the recruiting trail for over 2 years. Plus he's likely the top replacement for Kleiman if he retires/leaves.

FWIW, we are promoting from within. Wells is going to be the Co-Coordinator and passing game coordinator. He's done this same thing at Navy and Utah State. I know you keep going to the one year thing, but it was only one year because he did the job so well, in that year, he got promoted, and Jordan Love drafted in the first round. He wasn't fired.

I'm sure he did a fine job and didn't mean to imply he was fired after that year but I don't see co-oc on his resume at usu or Navy.

He was the QB coach and passing game coordinator, that's the exact same thing he'll be doing at K-State.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: deputy dawg on January 03, 2024, 08:57:42 AM
All the pissing and moaning is nonsense.  Matt Wells will be a great hire, and complement Riley in developing a great offense.  Continuity + new blood = good coaching.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: ChiComCat on January 03, 2024, 10:54:12 AM
I'm generally for bringing in someone outside the program that might have some fresh ideas.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: chum1 on January 03, 2024, 11:24:21 AM
I'm generally for bringing in someone outside the program that might have some fresh ideas.

Might make your team more difficult for opponents to prepare for.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: DQ12 on January 03, 2024, 12:40:02 PM
I'd feel better about it if his offenses weren't mostly bad/mediocre at USU/TT.

Outside of the Jordan Love year, not a lot to like looking up and down his offenses since starting at Utah State. 
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: bananaeater on January 03, 2024, 03:42:14 PM
I will just say that generally speaking I've been pleased with how Coach K has managed his staff in his tenure here, and by and large I'll trust him until proven otherwise.  In the event that I stop trusting him, I trust that the AD will seek my counsel. 
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: deputy dawg on January 03, 2024, 04:00:52 PM
I will just say that generally speaking I've been pleased with how Coach K has managed his staff in his tenure here, and by and large I'll trust him until proven otherwise.  In the event that I stop trusting him, I trust that the AD will seek my counsel.

Damn, I wish he would have called you re: Nae'Qwan Tomlin.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: jtksu on January 03, 2024, 04:44:27 PM
I will just say that generally speaking I've been pleased with how Coach K has managed his staff in his tenure here, and by and large I'll trust him until proven otherwise.  In the event that I stop trusting him, I trust that the AD will seek my counsel.

"By and large" always rinds me of Snyder.

 :billdance:
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Pete on January 03, 2024, 06:34:22 PM
I'd feel better about it if his offenses weren't mostly bad/mediocre at USU/TT.

Outside of the Jordan Love year, not a lot to like looking up and down his offenses since starting at Utah State.

I am a layperson for certain, but I kinda hope we are bringing him in to literally do the "Jordan Love" offense with Avery.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: wetwillie on January 03, 2024, 06:52:14 PM
Sounds like he might have an in with this guy from his days atTTU

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/jerand-bradley-238229?view=cv (https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/jerand-bradley-238229?view=cv)
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2024, 10:56:58 AM
I will just say that generally speaking I've been pleased with how Coach K has managed his staff in his tenure here, and by and large I'll trust him until proven otherwise.  In the event that I stop trusting him, I trust that the AD will seek my counsel.

Damn, I wish he would have called you re: Nae'Qwan Tomlin.

(https://media.tenor.com/yLHiNuF39McAAAAM/what-wwe.gif)
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: cfbandyman on January 04, 2024, 05:05:42 PM
Official

https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1743016591682347457
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Hurricane Cat on January 04, 2024, 06:04:50 PM
I will just say that generally speaking I've been pleased with how Coach K has managed his staff in his tenure here, and by and large I'll trust him until proven otherwise.  In the event that I stop trusting him, I trust that the AD will seek my counsel.

"By and large" always rinds me of Snyder.

 :billdance:

yes, absolutely does.  I assume the 'by and large' phrase was pointedly selected by B.E.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: pissclams on January 04, 2024, 08:42:27 PM
Official

https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1743016591682347457
is wells on steroids?  looks like he’s got an anger problem
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Pete on January 04, 2024, 08:44:38 PM
Official

https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1743016591682347457
is wells on steroids?  looks like he’s got an anger problem
We should submit a freedom of information act request.
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Pete on January 04, 2024, 08:45:02 PM
WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: pissclams on January 04, 2024, 09:15:13 PM
WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?
it’s probably a psy op
Title: Re: Who will be our new OC?
Post by: Cire on January 18, 2024, 01:09:22 PM
WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?
it’s probably a psy op

We thinking the Rothschilds?  Bilderbergs?