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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Pete on June 04, 2022, 09:24:32 AM
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So family took this Pew Research poll that attempts to place you in a political ideology bucket, and my wife and daughter are like off the charts "Progressive Left," and I am an "Establishment Liberal." My 14 year old so, however, is a "Committed Conservative." He's a computer building, crypto mining, rocket enthusiast and modeler, math guy, agnostic, and Elon Musk lover....so basically a STEM version of a Koch brother.
This is very difficult for his former social worker mother and debate team social justice elder sister to accept. Good news is that he is a steadfast never-trump, and has a healthy disdain for the faith and flag crew. My son and I cool tho, and agreed on pro-business, strong defense, but he's more "small government" than me. I attribute this to him not having had as many sinister employers and clients as I have had. I want the SEC tight on Elon's ass, and my son isn't so sure about that.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/
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I got Stressed Sideliners aka moderate
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Outsider left
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Pete, he and I are peas in a pod.
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Outsider left
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You must be very proud Pete, sounds like one hell of a kid.
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Based Chad Son
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I am an outsider left.
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Establishment Liberal
I’m going to have my 15 yr old daughter take it and I’ll report back.
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Establishment Liberal
I’m going to have my 15 yr old daughter take it and I’ll report back.
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Progressive Left for my daughter.
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Outsider Left, which is fine because I simply cannot support the GOP anymore.
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I’m Ambivalent Right
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Ambivalent Right, because I can no longer support the GOP as it exists today and my “never Trump” vote for Biden gives me the depression.
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Outsider left here
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I’m Ambivalent Right
Same.
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Another Ambivalent Right checking in
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Looks like gE is full of moderates, as we always knew.
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Progressive Left!
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add another ambivalent right to the tally.
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add another ambivalent right to the tally.
As always, same.
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Mainstay Dem
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Progressive Left!
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ambivalent right crew
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Alex P Keeton is an all timer, although Nick is the best character on the show. Skippy had his moments too
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I was expecting 'committed conservative' but I got 'ambivalent right'.
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Ambivalent right
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Establishment Lib
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Interesting quiz. Came up with "outsider left"
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Interesting quiz. Came up with "outsider left"
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One beef I had with the quiz would be the one about the US being the world's strongest superpower. I don't really care if Australia, South Korea, Canada or Sweden are as "powerful" as the US. I think it would be good if the US is more powerful that China, Iran, North Korea or Russia
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One beef I had with the quiz would be the one about the US being the world's strongest superpower. I don't really care if Australia, South Korea, Canada or Sweden are as "powerful" as the US. I think it would be good if the US is more powerful that China, Iran, North Korea or Russia
Yeah, the problem I had was feeling like I was being forced into positions. Put into a box, as it were. Probably why I'm an "outsider."
That said, I doubt it's possible to design a political quiz that doesn't irritate me.
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One beef I had with the quiz would be the one about the US being the world's strongest superpower. I don't really care if Australia, South Korea, Canada or Sweden are as "powerful" as the US. I think it would be good if the US is more powerful that China, Iran, North Korea or Russia
Yeah, the problem I had was feeling like I was being forced into positions. Put into a box, as it were. Probably why I'm an "outsider."
That said, I doubt it's possible to design a political quiz that doesn't irritate me.
I agree. Some of those questions were like "have you ever driven above the posted speed limit or mailed a bomb to an elected official?"
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gE tallies (so far):
Ambiv. Right - 9
Outsider Left - 7
Establishment Lib - 5
Commited Con - 2
Prog left - 2
Stressed Sidliner - 1
Mainstay Dem - 1
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establishment lib but agree what others say above about some of the questions
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establishment lib but agree what others say above about some of the questions
Same.
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nic since you're keeping track it's an O.L. for me
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nic since you're keeping track it's an O.L. for me
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gE tallies (so far):
Ambiv. Right - 9
Outsider Left - 7
Establishment Lib - 5
Commited Con - 2
Prog left - 2
Stressed Sidliner - 1
Mainstay Dem - 1
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I got prog left
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Establishment lib
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I'm more interested in how everyone answered than the results TBH
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Which question?
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I suspect that people who answer that they want the government to do "a little more" to help people vs "a lot more" actually want just about the same thing from the government.
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Yep, that's about spot on with my answers as well
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SD asked me not to post the photo of the tattoo he just got over memorial day weekend but idc
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I had the offended/offensive as no problem and that was my biggest outlier.
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I had the offended/offensive as no problem and that was my biggest outlier.
yeah, kinda feels like one answer could sway you on the fence line for this one.
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Ambivalent Right
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I had the offended/offensive as no problem and that was my biggest outlier.
Yeah, 94% of respondents think it's a problem that people are easily offended. That was really weird to me.
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this is very interesting, because i got "establishment lib" and you were more liberal on several questions than i was, and in fact the only two questions you were more conservative on was the first one on government services, and the 0-100 ratings of the parties....
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I rated the dems with a 50 (failing grade) and the republicans with a 0 (also a failing grade).
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I think I did like a 60 and 10. wild that anyone can look at current republicans and democrats and think they are equally good (or bad, or neutral) but everything else SD did was reasonable IMO and not much different from me (aka it's reasonable)
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I rated the dems with a 50 (failing grade) and the republicans with a 0 (also a failing grade).
same but i think i gave dems a 30 because lets face it most of them are DINOs but at least they have the decency to tell me its raining when they piss on my shoes. pubs piss on my shoes and then scream about a boogie man going around pissing on everyones shoes and we should be afraid and the only way to get this boogie man to stop pissing on people's shoes is to pass legislation that has nothing to do with the shoe pissing and everything to do with advancing the agenda of whatever lobbies give them the most money, including but not limited to, the lobby for BigShoePissing
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I also did 30 and 0 i think.
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I went 70/0 to emphasize the divide. At this moment, the GOP is actively working to cover up a coup attempt in our own country's government. That is completely on another level. Several levels.
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I went 70/0 to emphasize the divide. At this moment, the GOP is actively working to cover up a coup attempt in our own country's government. That is completely on another level. Several levels.
yeah in hindsight my 10 was generous.
there's also crap like this
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1534205781305851907
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I think I did like a 60 and 10. wild that anyone can look at current republicans and democrats and think they are equally good (or bad, or neutral) but everything else SD did was reasonable IMO and not much different from me (aka it's reasonable)
I mean, I have good and bad republican and dem friends/fam pretty equally. If it was elected pubs and dems I’d probably be 0 and 10 (Ben Sasse carrying a lot of water with that 10).
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I also did 30 and 0 i think.
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I think I did like a 60 and 10. wild that anyone can look at current republicans and democrats and think they are equally good (or bad, or neutral) but everything else SD did was reasonable IMO and not much different from me (aka it's reasonable)
Same here!
I wanted more government (e.g. children’s services, mental health services are terrible now, and environmental protections) but I said small increases not large.
Apart from that nearly identical to SD.
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I also want everyone to go get an abortion.
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I also want everyone to go get an abortion.
all this talk about abortions is making me horny
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I think I did like a 60 and 10. wild that anyone can look at current republicans and democrats and think they are equally good (or bad, or neutral) but everything else SD did was reasonable IMO and not much different from me (aka it's reasonable)
Same here!
I wanted more government (e.g. children’s services, mental health services are terrible now, and environmental protections) but I said small increases not large.
Apart from that nearly identical to SD.
Yeah I did larger changes and people are imprisoned way too long and white people have big advantages
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I think I did like a 60 and 10. wild that anyone can look at current republicans and democrats and think they are equally good (or bad, or neutral) but everything else SD did was reasonable IMO and not much different from me (aka it's reasonable)
I mean, I have good and bad republican and dem friends/fam pretty equally. If it was elected pubs and dems I’d probably be 0 and 10 (Ben Sasse carrying a lot of water with that 10).
Yeah I was thinking about the politicians from each party but I suppose the Republicans I choose to associate with are ok. But there's a bit of self selection with who I associate with.
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I did 50/50 too actually.
If I hear person A is a republican or a democrat, it doesn't really change my opinion of them one way or another on the "cold/negative-warm/positive" spectrum. Those terms are broad enough to not have much meaning without more context.
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I did 50/50 too actually.
If I hear person A is a republican or a democrat, it doesn't really change my opinion of them one way or another on the "cold/negative-warm/positive" spectrum. Those terms are broad enough to not have much meaning without more context.
I think I did 60/10 Dems/Pubs, like Rusty! I (perhaps mis)read the question as referring to the parties themselves, not any individual Dem or Pub citizen.
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Yeah, I took the question to be about political parties exactly because I would not think about actual people I encounter IRL in those terms. Also, it is a survey about party affiliation.
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I think I did something like 40/10 Dems vs. pubs. These days if you call yourself a Republican in public without qualifying it I think it’s fair to assume you’re on board with elected Republicans’ main talking points, which are all just the worst rn.
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When I was 14, I thought I was a Democrat, but I definitely held strong conservative beliefs. crap, the summer of mercy influenced a young me to become a member of Kansans for Life. I was also staunchly pro death penalty. I think I was more influenced by the views of my peers and the church than I was ma parents. The process into evolving into a leftist was a slow process as I matured and thought more critically about political issues at the time. I also loved Family Ties, but I definitely didn't get the Alex P. Keaton as a conservative, even though it was central to the show. I was 7 when that show started. Still know the theme song tho.
"What would we do baby, without us? Sha la la la."
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Ambivalent Right, because I can no longer support the GOP as it exists today and my “never Trump” vote for Biden gives me the depression.
As a member of the progressive left, I feel the same way about that Biden vote.
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I got prog left
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I rated the dems with a 50 (failing grade) and the republicans with a 0 (also a failing grade).
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Yeah, I took the question to be about political parties exactly because I would not think about actual people I encounter IRL in those terms. Also, it is a survey about party affiliation.
Same. The only reason I gave the dem party a 50 is because there are a very slowly increasing number of influential dems who are only dems because of the two party system. The overall leadership of the party are spineless and aren't interested in making sacrifices to do what's right. They are primarily interested in grabbing and maintaining as much power as possible.
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@420seriouscat69 get in here so that we can get the confirmation that you are a dirty lib cosplaying a conservative
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Ambivalent Right
… along with 12% of the public
-Fiscally conservative
-Socially moderate
-Relatively low political engagement
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I did 30 and 30.
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I think I did like a 60 and 10. wild that anyone can look at current republicans and democrats and think they are equally good (or bad, or neutral) but everything else SD did was reasonable IMO and not much different from me (aka it's reasonable)
I mean, I have good and bad republican and dem friends/fam pretty equally. If it was elected pubs and dems I’d probably be 0 and 10 (Ben Sasse carrying a lot of water with that 10).
Yeah I was thinking about the politicians from each party but I suppose the Republicans I choose to associate with are ok. But there's a bit of self selection with who I associate with.
You choose who to associate with based on party affiliation? That's wild. Also how do you know their party affiliation?
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I think I did like a 60 and 10. wild that anyone can look at current republicans and democrats and think they are equally good (or bad, or neutral) but everything else SD did was reasonable IMO and not much different from me (aka it's reasonable)
I mean, I have good and bad republican and dem friends/fam pretty equally. If it was elected pubs and dems I’d probably be 0 and 10 (Ben Sasse carrying a lot of water with that 10).
Yeah I was thinking about the politicians from each party but I suppose the Republicans I choose to associate with are ok. But there's a bit of self selection with who I associate with.
You choose who to associate with based on party affiliation? That's wild. Also how do you know their party affiliation?
I mean steve dave tells me all the time
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But I'm saying that any Republicans that end up in my social circle aren't the shitty ones, because I prefer to not hang out with people I think are shitty. So if everyone looks at their republicans and democrats and libertarians they hang out with they should be people you would like and would maybe lead to a 50-50 favorable split on this question if you ignore the actual politicians and only look at their social circles.
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Also I'm not going to be friends with racists or anti-LGBTQ folks or anti vaxxers, which are overwhelmingly republican. WILD
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Wacky and stevedave. Two peas in a political pod.
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I also loved Family Ties, but I definitely didn't get the Alex P. Keaton as a conservative, even though it was central to the show. I was 7 when that show started. Still know the theme song tho.
"What would we do baby, without us? Sha la la la."
the parents were ex hippies and Alex was just rebelling to his upbringing like a typical teenager iirc
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Wacky and stevedave. Two peas in a political pod.
Knew it all along!
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Also I'm not going to be friends with racists or anti-LGBTQ folks or anti vaxxers, which are overwhelmingly republican. WILD
You wouldn't be friends with an anti-vaxxer? What if you became friends with someone and then found out they didn't get the vaccine? Cut off?
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Stressed sideliner, feels bad man
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Also I'm not going to be friends with racists or anti-LGBTQ folks or anti vaxxers, which are overwhelmingly republican. WILD
You wouldn't be friends with an anti-vaxxer? What if you became friends with someone and then found out they didn't get the vaccine? Cut off?
I think the potential to have awkward dinner conversation with a conspiracy theorist is relatively high. And yes, anti vaxxers are conspiracy theorists.
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Also I'm not going to be friends with racists or anti-LGBTQ folks or anti vaxxers, which are overwhelmingly republican. WILD
You wouldn't be friends with an anti-vaxxer? What if you became friends with someone and then found out they didn't get the vaccine? Cut off?
Yeah probably, depending on their rationale. I talked about vaccination with all my close friends though so it wasn't like a surprise. I have some family who are anti vaxxers who I won't cut off but I definitely think less of.
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Not speaking for Rusty but I think it's less of, I'm never talking to this person again because they didn't get jabbed and more of, I'm going to put myself in positions with this person to avoid their crazy.
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Not speaking for Rusty but I think it's less of, I'm never talking to this person again because they didn't get jabbed and more of, I'm going to put myself in positions with this person to avoid their crazy.
Yeah. Or like, would I be comfortable letting this person watch my kids? Would I trust them to give good advice? Could I have an intelligent conversation with them and take what they say seriously? Because in general, I question the overall judgement and intelligence of anti-vaxxers and I don't need to be"friends" with dumb risk takers. Or racists or people who don't think gays deserve equal rights.
But I still might never talk to them again. :dunno:
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I grew up in a very small town so I have a tremendous number of relationships with people that I love and trust dearly that I whole heartedly disagree with on any number of issues
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I grew up in a very small town so I have a tremendous number of relationships with people that I love and trust dearly that I whole heartedly disagree with on any number of issues
Yes. Same, and gE is probably the only group of friends and acquaintances I have that I’d be considered right of center amongst.
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i work with a ton of unvaccinated people. not sure if all would be considered "antivaxxers", but for sure some would.
anyways, i get along fine with them.
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I grew up in a very small town so I have a tremendous number of relationships with people that I love and trust dearly that I whole heartedly disagree with on any number of issues
Not from a (terribly) small town but agree with this still. Cutting these people out of my life based on their beliefs seems anti-productive. I have friends that held naive or ignorant beliefs that have absolutely come around. If I had just cut them out of my life completely I think there's a good chance they would still be just as naive and ignorant as they were when I first met them.
That being said, I scored "Establishment Liberal"
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I grew up in a very small town so I have a tremendous number of relationships with people that I love and trust dearly that I whole heartedly disagree with on any number of issues
Not from a (terribly) small town but agree with this still. Cutting these people out of my life based on their beliefs seems anti-productive. I have friends that held naive or ignorant beliefs that have absolutely come around. If I had just cut them out of my life completely I think there's a good chance they would still be just as naive and ignorant as they were when I first met them.
That being said, I scored "Establishment Liberal"
I think this is very good, but would you continue to be friends with them if they were like, still calling people f*ggots in front of you?
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Mich, you don’t know anyone who’s doing that right now.
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Most of my best friends from college are pretty left and it's pretty satisfying to have other things in common other than politics.
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Even if we never discuss politics, I don't have much in common with MAGAs overall. I'm not going to be hanging out with them for plenty of other reasons.
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Even if we never discuss politics, I don't have much in common with MAGAs overall. I'm not going to be hanging out with them for plenty of other reasons.
You guys have mixed up the term of "MAGA" so much, it's not even funny anymore. Most of my lefty friends in college, used homophobic slurs (Knowing I had a gay uncle), and act like they're huge LGBTQ+ advocates now. MAGA is pretty much anything that doesn't fit your 2022 agenda these days and that might be more hateful, than how someone votes every 4 years.
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Majority of my family is what I would describe as traditional republican. Not MAGA, pro-vax, etc. Local news watching republican v. Fox News watching. I think very highly of almost all of them. Much higher than my few leftist relatives but they are all abusive/strung-out losers unrelated to their politics. We also have some full blown MAGA, openly bigoted, anti-vax downgrades in the tree. I don’t think either side are really representative of their political party in general but just anecdotal to me. There are a lot of republicans and dems that have much more in common with each other than the noisy representatives of each extreme.
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Majority of my family is what I would describe as traditional republican. Not MAGA, pro-vax, etc. Local news watching republican v. Fox News watching. I think very highly of almost all of them. Much higher than my few leftist relatives but they are all abusive/strung-out losers unrelated to their politics. We also have a few full blown MAGA anti-vax downgrades in the tree. I don’t think either side are really representative of their political party in general but just anecdotal to me. There are a lot of republicans and dems that have much more in common with each other than the noisy representatives of each extreme.
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Mich, you don’t know anyone who’s doing that right now.
I'm reasonably sure I have ex-friends who would call someone a man of taste and distinction today. (In a derogatory way). But you're right that I don't associate with anyone that would do that. Which is my point!
Majority of my family is what I would describe as traditional republican. Not MAGA, pro-vax, etc. Local news watching republican v. Fox News watching. I think very highly of almost all of them. Much higher than my few leftist relatives but they are all abusive/strung-out losers unrelated to their politics. We also have some full blown MAGA, openly bigoted, anti-vax downgrades in the tree. I don’t think either side are really representative of their political party in general but just anecdotal to me. There are a lot of republicans and dems that have much more in common with each other than the noisy representatives of each extreme.
yeah which is why your 50-50 favorability makes sense
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Democratic mainstays. Whatever that actually means.
There are definitely a lot of things dems do I like, way more than whatever the pubs have become. I like SD agree if you're more old guardy pubs I general don't have an issue with you though.
I just want us to get on with things like medicare for all/single payer, and try and not spend so goddamn much on a bloated military. Most other things usually become more minor after that.
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OT but if you think spending on a bloated military is something the dems are against I've got some shocking news for you....
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Is it just me or do "old guard" Republicans seem to disagree with the current Republican party on just about everything but taxes and maybe punishing criminals?
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Even if we never discuss politics, I don't have much in common with MAGAs overall. I'm not going to be hanging out with them for plenty of other reasons.
You guys have mixed up the term of "MAGA" so much, it's not even funny anymore. Most of my lefty friends in college, used homophobic slurs (Knowing I had a gay uncle), and act like they're huge LGBTQ+ advocates now. MAGA is pretty much anything that doesn't fit your 2022 agenda these days and that might be more hateful, than how someone votes every 4 years.
By MAGA, I meant the 30-40% of voting Republicans who have been super enthusiastic about Trumpism. I assumed that's what it means to pretty much everyone.
I do not do the same activities as these people. I do not have similar interests. Like, the last movie I wanted to see in the theater was The French Dispatch. Catch my drift?
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I think at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you are republican, democrat, atheist, christian, gay, straight, etc. etc. there are good people and there are pieces of crap. Try to be a good person and not a piece of crap.
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Now I have to re-plan my whole day. Thanks y-l_a.
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Even if we never discuss politics, I don't have much in common with MAGAs overall. I'm not going to be hanging out with them for plenty of other reasons.
You guys have mixed up the term of "MAGA" so much, it's not even funny anymore. Most of my lefty friends in college, used homophobic slurs (Knowing I had a gay uncle), and act like they're huge LGBTQ+ advocates now. MAGA is pretty much anything that doesn't fit your 2022 agenda these days and that might be more hateful, than how someone votes every 4 years.
wacky i love this idea of yours which you seem to hold dear...this idea that whoever you were at some point in time is who you are always. Just as one example you made a comment the other day, something to the effect about how this board used to be the edgy rival board and now everyone has kids and i dunno i'm sure you probably threw a "woke" in there.
Anyway my point is, people are actually capable of like, growing and evolving? As they encounter more life experiences they gain perspective and evolve?
fwiw I think college BAC and present day wacky would probably be best buds irl :cheers: #commonground
edit: well, saying "present day" is redundant when describing wackycat, he is who he is and has always been and always will be
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OT but if you think spending on a bloated military is something the dems are against I've got some shocking news for you....
The army is pretty great evidence Republicans love socialism when it is for them personally.
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OT but if you think spending on a bloated military is something the dems are against I've got some shocking news for you....
The army is pretty great evidence Republicans love socialism when it is for them personally.
See cow farming thread please
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OT but if you think spending on a bloated military is something the dems are against I've got some shocking news for you....
The army is pretty great evidence Republicans love socialism when it is for them personally.
See cow farming thread please
Well sure but farming doesn’t usually come with free housing, healthcare, education, pension etc.
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Even if we never discuss politics, I don't have much in common with MAGAs overall. I'm not going to be hanging out with them for plenty of other reasons.
You guys have mixed up the term of "MAGA" so much, it's not even funny anymore. Most of my lefty friends in college, used homophobic slurs (Knowing I had a gay uncle), and act like they're huge LGBTQ+ advocates now. MAGA is pretty much anything that doesn't fit your 2022 agenda these days and that might be more hateful, than how someone votes every 4 years.
wacky i love this idea of yours which you seem to hold dear...this idea that whoever you were at some point in time is who you are always. Just as one example you made a comment the other day, something to the effect about how this board used to be the edgy rival board and now everyone has kids and i dunno i'm sure you probably threw a "woke" in there.
Anyway my point is, people are actually capable of like, growing and evolving? As they encounter more life experiences they gain perspective and evolve?
fwiw I think college BAC and present day wacky would probably be best buds irl :cheers: #commonground
edit: well, saying "present day" is redundant when describing wackycat, he is who he is and has always been and always will be
You literally don't know me at all. Other than me gE'ing on here, you know zero about me IRL. Unless you're someone I know without knowing I know you and if that's the case, you know I'm not like this IRL.
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OT but if you think spending on a bloated military is something the dems are against I've got some shocking news for you....
The army is pretty great evidence Republicans love socialism when it is for them personally.
See cow farming thread please
Well sure but farming doesn’t usually come with free housing, healthcare, education, pension etc.
You just have to use the money you are given by the gov for that stuff.
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OT but if you think spending on a bloated military is something the dems are against I've got some shocking news for you....
The army is pretty great evidence Republicans love socialism when it is for them personally.
See cow farming thread please
Well sure but farming doesn’t usually come with free housing, healthcare, education, pension etc.
Yeah, it's more lucrative than that.
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Even if we never discuss politics, I don't have much in common with MAGAs overall. I'm not going to be hanging out with them for plenty of other reasons.
You guys have mixed up the term of "MAGA" so much, it's not even funny anymore. Most of my lefty friends in college, used homophobic slurs (Knowing I had a gay uncle), and act like they're huge LGBTQ+ advocates now. MAGA is pretty much anything that doesn't fit your 2022 agenda these days and that might be more hateful, than how someone votes every 4 years.
wacky i love this idea of yours which you seem to hold dear...this idea that whoever you were at some point in time is who you are always. Just as one example you made a comment the other day, something to the effect about how this board used to be the edgy rival board and now everyone has kids and i dunno i'm sure you probably threw a "woke" in there.
Anyway my point is, people are actually capable of like, growing and evolving? As they encounter more life experiences they gain perspective and evolve?
fwiw I think college BAC and present day wacky would probably be best buds irl :cheers: #commonground
edit: well, saying "present day" is redundant when describing wackycat, he is who he is and has always been and always will be
You literally don't know me at all. Other than me gE'ing on here, you know zero about me IRL. Unless you're someone I know without knowing I know you and if that's the case, you know I'm not like this IRL.
if the ideas and overall point of view that you have been bringing to this board for literally years is just you gEing and its all just an online persona and not a reflection of how you are IRL, then hats off to you sir! I can't help but feel like a lot of the stuff you say on here isn't just shitposting, i suspect you sincerely abide large swaths of the stuff you say but hey, only wacky knows for sure.
if that's the case...then I guess my question is...why bother? If its just an act and you don't actually believe any of the points of view you espouse then why waste your time? As you pointed out I literally don't know you but I do know you have a job and a wife and a son and a gay uncle (unless all of that is just make believe world-building in the wackyverse?) but if you have all those other things why spend your time here in the pit "playing devil's advocate" or whatever?
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Which of my takes offends you the most, BAC? Thinking transgenders winning at female sports is unfair? Thinking the inflation we're seeing is absurd and the current party might have something to do with that? I really need to know what grinds your gears with me. Or should I just lay down and play sheep and bravo everyone with their groupthink takes?
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Or is it calling out hypocrites?
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Even if we never discuss politics, I don't have much in common with MAGAs overall. I'm not going to be hanging out with them for plenty of other reasons.
You guys have mixed up the term of "MAGA" so much, it's not even funny anymore. Most of my lefty friends in college, used homophobic slurs (Knowing I had a gay uncle), and act like they're huge LGBTQ+ advocates now. MAGA is pretty much anything that doesn't fit your 2022 agenda these days and that might be more hateful, than how someone votes every 4 years.
wacky i love this idea of yours which you seem to hold dear...this idea that whoever you were at some point in time is who you are always. Just as one example you made a comment the other day, something to the effect about how this board used to be the edgy rival board and now everyone has kids and i dunno i'm sure you probably threw a "woke" in there.
Anyway my point is, people are actually capable of like, growing and evolving? As they encounter more life experiences they gain perspective and evolve?
fwiw I think college BAC and present day wacky would probably be best buds irl :cheers: #commonground
edit: well, saying "present day" is redundant when describing wackycat, he is who he is and has always been and always will be
You literally don't know me at all. Other than me gE'ing on here, you know zero about me IRL. Unless you're someone I know without knowing I know you and if that's the case, you know I'm not like this IRL.
Anyone who spends time on this forum knows quite a lot about your personal life.
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And we've somehow turned this thread into another session of the wacky victim-hood tour.
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And we've somehow turned this thread into another session of the wacky victim-hood tour.
You can thank BAC for that. Carry on fellas.
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C’mon KK no one in this country receives more suitcases of other people’s hard earned tax money than pull yourself up by the bootstrap farmers.
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And we've somehow turned this thread into another session of the wacky victim-hood tour.
It's not just wacky, but I have to admit that I enjoy when people who self identify as not maga get mad at people talking about magas. 33 seems to be particularly touchy in this area.
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I like _33. He's funny and he doesn't spend most of his time on this board whining about all of the random beefs he's collected over the years
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Love you, Chongs!
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OT but if you think spending on a bloated military is something the dems are against I've got some shocking news for you....
THIS!
I want those hypersonic missiles, man!
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Mich, you don’t know anyone who’s doing that right now.
My closest friend, I've known her for 26 years, recently has become aggressively transphobic, like shoehorning anti trans taking points and jokes in places where they don't even fit. We've never had a conversation about how I feel about trans people, but this woman is involved in every aspect of my life, and has been since we've met, she knows I am way left of center, yet she continues with the transphobic crap. In March I was in my car with a couple of colleagues, my phone is always connected on Bluetooth. She opened the call by calling herself a "rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)." I was mortified.
She was in my wedding, she's been around for the birth of all three of my children. My kids love her, her kids love us. She used to be a liberal, she once considered running for local office as a Dem, but she turned maga, but one that doesn't outwardly support trump, will definitely be a Desantis voter. She goes to church every Sunday and one of those people who's facebook isn't overtly political in nature, it's all her family and scripture. Her husband, who I've known just as long, is one who consumes a lot of conservative media, and believes every bit of it.
Anyway, I love them but I don't know what to do about this. I would be okay with all of us just not going there, but with most maga people, they just can't help it. I went to watch her son compete in a state championship earlier this season and they had family members there decked out in maga gear. How can I not wonder what these people say about me and others I care for, when I'm not around?
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That's awful. I'm sorry to hear.
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Even if we never discuss politics, I don't have much in common with MAGAs overall. I'm not going to be hanging out with them for plenty of other reasons.
You guys have mixed up the term of "MAGA" so much, it's not even funny anymore. Most of my lefty friends in college, used homophobic slurs (Knowing I had a gay uncle), and act like they're huge LGBTQ+ advocates now. MAGA is pretty much anything that doesn't fit your 2022 agenda these days and that might be more hateful, than how someone votes every 4 years.
By MAGA, I meant the 30-40% of voting Republicans who have been super enthusiastic about Trumpism. I assumed that's what it means to pretty much everyone.
I do not do the same activities as these people. I do not have similar interests. Like, the last movie I wanted to see in the theater was The French Dispatch. Catch my drift?
I have a much broader definition of maga. 70 million people voted for Trump in 2020 after the four years he had as president. I don't even know if I would consider people, as few as there are, like Liz Cheney, who have broken with trump simply because of the two months after the election, as not maga. They supported everything that man was about and somehow threatening democracy was the thing that caused them to breakaway? That's not being disenchanted by trump threatening democracy, they are disenchanted by trump threatening democracy for rich white people. These same people have zero problem with gerrymandering and disenfranchisement of the poor and minorities.
Anyone who supports or supported the trump agenda, is maga, including Ben Sasse. Supporting the agenda while quietly disavowing the language is utterly useless.
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somehow threatening democracy was the thing that caused them to breakaway?
this makes perfect sense to me and i respect those few republicans that had a line that couldn't be crossed.
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Everyone I know that proudly calls themselves a Republican is MAGA AF.
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Sasse might be the worst maga of all
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somehow threatening democracy was the thing that caused them to breakaway?
this makes perfect sense to me and i respect those few republicans that had a line that couldn't be crossed.
My point was the line has been crossed several times before January 6th and none of them cared when it actually effected Americans who don't work in the US Capitol. I don't respect republicans who saw January 6th as a bigger threat to democracy than gerrymandering. January 6th wasn't a threat to democracy, it was a threat to some people in a building in Washington DC. If those people actually killed Pence, Pelosi, AOC, Omar, Tlaib, Bush, Mccarthy, Warren, Raskin, Porter, Warnock, Kinzinger, Schumer, Booker, Schiff, and Jayapal, what would the lasting effect on democracy be? It would certainly be a top 5 all time USA tragedy but do you think that people would stop running for office? Democracy wasn't under threat on January 6th, some people were.
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January 6th wasn't a threat to democracy, it was a threat to some people in a building in Washington DC.
The riot was only a small part of a much larger Jan 6 criminal scheme. I often get the impression that very few have an idea about what actually happened and it's absolutely maddening.
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January 6th wasn't a threat to democracy, it was a threat to some people in a building in Washington DC.
The riot was only a small part of a much larger Jan 6 criminal scheme. I often get the impression that very few have an idea about what actually happened and it's absolutely maddening.
My initial post mentioned the two months after the election. Tell me the difference between the things trump bandied around with, but didn't coming close to pulling off, with what Brian Kemp actually did to get elected governor of georgia. crap is on record and no one cared. Ironically enough, if trump actually did pull off stealing the election it would have been in due part to kemp tilting the scales in his favor in his.
If republicans actually cared about all the things trump did to try to steal the election and wanted to ensure it couldn't happen by anyone again then they would just 86 the electoral college. No one seems to care that much.
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Sasse might be the worst maga of all
I think anyone but Sasseholes see him for what he is. Almost the prototypical spineless politician.
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An interesting phenomenon I have observed in myself is that I have become more tolerant of Republican policies as my distaste for Americans has grown over the years. For example, my son is on this "small government" kick, wanting less spending and more autonomy for the states. I am starting to agree that the states should be left to fend for themselves more, and less Federal dollars going to the states, but my motivation isn't coming from political philosophy. Instead, I just don't especially like a bunch of America and I am OK with letting those states fend for themselves. I love my cousins, but I don't like them all, ya know?
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An interesting phenomenon I have observed in myself is that I have become more tolerant of Republican policies as my distaste for Americans has grown over the years. For example, my son is on this "small government" kick, wanting less spending and more autonomy for the states. I am starting to agree that the states should be left to fend for themselves more, and less Federal dollars going to the states, but my motivation isn't coming from political philosophy. Instead, I just don't especially like a bunch of America and I am OK with letting those states fend for themselves. I love my cousins, but I don't like them all, ya know?
I think your son and I would get along well Pete
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retook.
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