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Title: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on May 15, 2022, 02:25:08 PM
I decided to learn the piano.  I'm 38 and have no musical background except for playing (and sucking) at the trumpet in 7th grade.

Bought this about a week ago:  https://www.donnerdeal.com/products/donner-ddp-80-88-key-full-weighted-wood-colored-grill-digital-piano

Learning from this book: https://www.amazon.com/Adult-All-One-Course-Lesson-Theory-Technic/dp/0882848186

Also watching youtube tutorials and stuff like that.

Really just working on the basics right now.  Learning hand positions, which keys are which notes, etc.  Getting your fingers to press certain keys but not others is crazy hard.  And getting your two hands to do different things at the same time is also very hard right now.  BUT I played jingle bells today with two hands and pretty much mastered it! Very rewarding.

If any pianists/musicians have any pro-tips feel free to comment. I'm looking for any advice on how to get to the part where I'm awesome at piano and can play super good like that gorilla on Sing.

Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2022, 02:36:39 PM
Sounds to me like you're already on the righteous path and you're just bragging about buying that hawt mid-century mod piece of ass. Seriously, I might buy that to mess around on. Are the built-in speakers decent at all?

I'm a very average pianist (KD: no). I taught myself to play by basically transliterating guitar to piano, as I have a decent grasp of music theory (my first job was as a guitar teacher). I can confidently tell you that the only other thing you need to succeed at this stage is to just devote tons of time to it. If you do that, you'll be golden.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2022, 02:39:07 PM
Oh, and based on your trumpet comment, I assume you can read music, right?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2022, 03:24:31 PM
Just stumbled across this old cell phone vid of me playing Mozart. Enjoy!

https://www.veed.io/view/54501582-b9a6-4600-bfe5-b3f03715f333?sharingWidget=true
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on May 15, 2022, 04:45:06 PM
Sounds to me like you're already on the righteous path and you're just bragging about buying that hawt mid-century mod piece of ass. Seriously, I might buy that to mess around on. Are the built-in speakers decent at all?

I'm a very average pianist (KD: no). I taught myself to play by basically transliterating guitar to piano, as I have a decent grasp of music theory (my first job was as a guitar teacher). I can confidently tell you that the only other thing you need to succeed at this stage is to just devote tons of time to it. If you do that, you'll be golden.

Yeah my wife LOVES anything mid-century modern so it was an easy sell.  I think the speakers are good but I have nothing to compare it to so I don't really know.  I hook up headphones a lot because I play after the kids are in bed.

I can sort of read music because of the trumpet but I only remember the most basic things.  Having to relearn most of it.

Nice Mozart! You are good.

My wife took piano for like 3 years as a kid but hadn't played in 25 years or so.  She's remembering things and picking it up extremely fast now.  She's on like page 85 of that book after a week and I'm still on 12 or something.  But it's good because she can help me out a lot.

Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2022, 04:52:48 PM
Sounds to me like you're already on the righteous path and you're just bragging about buying that hawt mid-century mod piece of ass. Seriously, I might buy that to mess around on. Are the built-in speakers decent at all?

I'm a very average pianist (KD: no). I taught myself to play by basically transliterating guitar to piano, as I have a decent grasp of music theory (my first job was as a guitar teacher). I can confidently tell you that the only other thing you need to succeed at this stage is to just devote tons of time to it. If you do that, you'll be golden.

Yeah my wife LOVES anything mid-century modern so it was an easy sell.  I think the speakers are good but I have nothing to compare it to so I don't really know.  I hook up headphones a lot because I play after the kids are in bed.

I can sort of read music because of the trumpet but I only remember the most basic things.  Having to relearn most of it.

Nice Mozart! You are good.

My wife took piano for like 3 years as a kid but hadn't played in 25 years or so.  She's remembering things and picking it up extremely fast now.  She's on like page 85 of that book after a week and I'm still on 12 or something.  But it's good because she can help me out a lot.

Nice. I hope it brings you a wonderful sense of fulfillment.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 15, 2022, 05:36:04 PM
I would like to learn the piano as well.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2022, 05:52:30 PM
I would like to learn the piano as well.

In my experience, the best way to start is to start! But seriously, coming from a former instrument teacher, you gotta be willing to put in the time. Also, having a sense of rhythm is helpful!
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 15, 2022, 08:45:01 PM
Canadian Friend of mine makes bank teaching piano to rich kids. AMA and I will relay the question.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2022, 08:52:29 PM
@_33 I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger on this beaut. It's only slightly more expensive than the bottle of parfum 'clams recently talked me into buying. But I'm curious to know how the key weighting is. Does it feel like a real piano? How sensitive/responsive are the keys to varying pressure, soundwise? I don't want to end up with a corny sounding child's toy, here, nomsayin'?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 15, 2022, 09:48:16 PM
Weighted keys are really a must. However, as Spracs is saying, more specifics are needed, as in my experience, weighted keys do not always transfer to mean dynamic variation. Any chance you could upload a video of you playing the same thing two times — one loud and one soft — so we can hear the dynamic differemce if there is one?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 15, 2022, 09:53:21 PM
Although I just listened to the sample piece on _33’s link that is allegedly this keyboard, and I can hear some louds and some decent softs. Never seen a pedal setup on a keyboard that looks like that but it’s cool! Also it will def work better than the external plug-in single pedals that usually go into these keyboards.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: catastrophe on May 15, 2022, 10:24:36 PM
I have promised myself that before I die I’ll be a kick ass pianist. Still not sure when I’ll start in earnest though. Maybe when I’m as old as _33.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on May 15, 2022, 10:28:32 PM
Weighted keys are really a must. However, as Spracs is saying, more specifics are needed, as in my experience, weighted keys do not always transfer to mean dynamic variation. Any chance you could upload a video of you playing the same thing two times — one loud and one soft — so we can hear the dynamic differemce if there is one?

I'll try to upload something tomorrow.  I can definitely play something pretty soft and also pretty loud with this piano.  I don't really know how similar it is to an actual piano though because I've barely ever played one.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on May 15, 2022, 10:31:55 PM
@_33 I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger on this beaut. It's only slightly more expensive than the bottle of parfum 'clams recently talked me into buying. But I'm curious to know how the key weighting is. Does it feel like a real piano? How sensitive/responsive are the keys to varying pressure, soundwise? I don't want to end up with a corny sounding child's toy, here, nomsayin'?

I can definitely play things soft/medium/loud depending on the pressure I use.  It's not like one of those keyboards where any press creates the same volume note.  I can't really say how close it is to a real piano though because of my very limited experience.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: stunted on May 15, 2022, 11:36:20 PM
if i had that piano as a kid i'd probably actually practice  :love:
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: DQ12 on May 16, 2022, 11:09:17 AM
I play and really enjoy it.  I played as a kid and always kind of played enough to not get super rusty, but didn't really devote much time to it between ages 12-23 or so.  About 10ish years ago I subscribed to https://www.webpianoteacher.com/ (https://www.webpianoteacher.com/), which I really really liked and reinvigorated my love for those 88 ebony and ivory keys we all know so well!  My dad (who was more or less in my same boat, proficiency-wise) also swears by it. 

Essentially, it's this guy whose got a bank of hundreds of fairly popular songs (plenty of Joel/Elton) who does vimeo tutorials.  He basically writes the "sheet music" in a way that's really easy to understand, and goes through the entire pieces step by step.  The tutorials range in difficulty, but he's got plenty of stuff for beginners, including some primary lessons on technique and theory.  It was fairly expensive, but much cheaper than a weekly lesson or anything like that.  Highly, highly recommend it. 

One hot pro tip from me (that others may disagree with): if you're going to learn something, plan on going through the extra step of committing it to memory.  Playing a piece of sheet music is fun, but sitting down at any piano anywhere and playing your repertoire is 1000x more satisfying.

Anyway, good for you_33.  It seems like once you turn a certain age, you really have to work to find a creative outlet for yourself, which we humans crave, imo.  So scratching that itch and learning a new skill is very exciting. 

Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 16, 2022, 03:09:47 PM
I play and really enjoy it.  I played as a kid and always kind of played enough to not get super rusty, but didn't really devote much time to it between ages 12-23 or so.  About 10ish years ago I subscribed to https://www.webpianoteacher.com/ (https://www.webpianoteacher.com/), which I really really liked and reinvigorated my love for those 88 ebony and ivory keys we all know so well!  My dad (who was more or less in my same boat, proficiency-wise) also swears by it. 

Essentially, it's this guy whose got a bank of hundreds of fairly popular songs (plenty of Joel/Elton) who does vimeo tutorials.  He basically writes the "sheet music" in a way that's really easy to understand, and goes through the entire pieces step by step.  The tutorials range in difficulty, but he's got plenty of stuff for beginners, including some primary lessons on technique and theory.  It was fairly expensive, but much cheaper than a weekly lesson or anything like that.  Highly, highly recommend it. 

One hot pro tip from me (that others may disagree with): if you're going to learn something, plan on going through the extra step of committing it to memory.  Playing a piece of sheet music is fun, but sitting down at any piano anywhere and playing your repertoire is 1000x more satisfying.

Anyway, good for you_33.  It seems like once you turn a certain age, you really have to work to find a creative outlet for yourself, which we humans crave, imo.  So scratching that itch and learning a new skill is very exciting.

I only play from memory. I suck at sight reading. Also, this Joel you speak of. We talkin' 70s Joel, or that putrid 80s Joel?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: tdaver on May 16, 2022, 03:35:18 PM
I took lessons for a long time.  I still play occasionally but have always regretted not continuing formally in college.  Not sure what your end goal is, but here are a few comments from my experience.

It may take years before you can just hop on a piano and wow people.  Stick with it.  It won’t always be easy to keep going but it’s an awesome skill.

Always have song or two you’re working on just for fun in addition to whatever is in your training program.  Those are what will get you to sit down and start practicing.

If your progression stalls, consider an actual teacher.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on May 16, 2022, 04:40:45 PM
Great comments tdaver, thank you.

I'm open to the idea that I may never be able to hop on a piano and wow people.  Right now I'm intrinsically motivated enough that getting better and enjoying myself is it's own reward. I suppose it would be nice to show off at some point though.

Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 16, 2022, 05:32:17 PM
You do whatever works best for you. Personally, I like learning by doing, so I would painstakingly memorize songs I liked/wanted to play. One of the first was Lady Madonna by the Beatles. It's pretty doable for a novice, such as I. Just find a good arrangement and get to learning. I find it more satisfying to learn/play songs than to practice scales or w/e.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 16, 2022, 05:34:42 PM
^Also how I learned how to play guitar, at least initially. Had a MetallicA tab book and would just memorize Kirk Hammett solos.  :Skillz:
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 16, 2022, 05:37:37 PM
You certainly pick up on patterns and stuff, if you're analytically inclined whatsoever. This thread has me hyped to both buy the digital piano in the OP and also either a violin or a cello, because hell yeah.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 17, 2022, 09:18:38 AM
I play and really enjoy it.  I played as a kid and always kind of played enough to not get super rusty, but didn't really devote much time to it between ages 12-23 or so.  About 10ish years ago I subscribed to https://www.webpianoteacher.com/ (https://www.webpianoteacher.com/), which I really really liked and reinvigorated my love for those 88 ebony and ivory keys we all know so well!  My dad (who was more or less in my same boat, proficiency-wise) also swears by it. 

Essentially, it's this guy whose got a bank of hundreds of fairly popular songs (plenty of Joel/Elton) who does vimeo tutorials.  He basically writes the "sheet music" in a way that's really easy to understand, and goes through the entire pieces step by step.  The tutorials range in difficulty, but he's got plenty of stuff for beginners, including some primary lessons on technique and theory.  It was fairly expensive, but much cheaper than a weekly lesson or anything like that.  Highly, highly recommend it. 

One hot pro tip from me (that others may disagree with): if you're going to learn something, plan on going through the extra step of committing it to memory.  Playing a piece of sheet music is fun, but sitting down at any piano anywhere and playing your repertoire is 1000x more satisfying.

Anyway, good for you_33.  It seems like once you turn a certain age, you really have to work to find a creative outlet for yourself, which we humans crave, imo.  So scratching that itch and learning a new skill is very exciting.

I only play from memory. I suck at sight reading. Also, this Joel you speak of. We talkin' 70s Joel, or that putrid 80s Joel?

whoa, hey buddy...you come after billy...i will know precisely why i go to extremes.

cracks knees. will travel.

unrelated, but question for any ITK pianists...whenever i (zero experience on the piano) am playing the air piano (frequently) my go-to move is thumb and ring finger hitting at the same time. What do you think? Am i probably a natural? Should i take up this instrument?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on May 17, 2022, 09:31:00 AM
Some photos for Spracne to see the real thing.  The only thing I don't like is how the cords are exposed due to the minimal design, but oh well.

(https://i.ibb.co/tQMV410/Piano2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/k2tNVWT/Piano1.jpg)

Now here is some audio I recorded this morning.  It it was recorded using my phone which was lying next to me on the bench so not great quality.  In the first I played some scales soft, medium and then loud.  And in the second I played jingle bells soft, then loud.  (I also added my own little flair at the end of the 2nd jingle bells for a little treat)

https://streamable.com/ped70g

https://streamable.com/wi6voi
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: DQ12 on May 17, 2022, 10:55:09 AM
I play and really enjoy it.  I played as a kid and always kind of played enough to not get super rusty, but didn't really devote much time to it between ages 12-23 or so.  About 10ish years ago I subscribed to https://www.webpianoteacher.com/ (https://www.webpianoteacher.com/), which I really really liked and reinvigorated my love for those 88 ebony and ivory keys we all know so well!  My dad (who was more or less in my same boat, proficiency-wise) also swears by it. 

Essentially, it's this guy whose got a bank of hundreds of fairly popular songs (plenty of Joel/Elton) who does vimeo tutorials.  He basically writes the "sheet music" in a way that's really easy to understand, and goes through the entire pieces step by step.  The tutorials range in difficulty, but he's got plenty of stuff for beginners, including some primary lessons on technique and theory.  It was fairly expensive, but much cheaper than a weekly lesson or anything like that.  Highly, highly recommend it. 

One hot pro tip from me (that others may disagree with): if you're going to learn something, plan on going through the extra step of committing it to memory.  Playing a piece of sheet music is fun, but sitting down at any piano anywhere and playing your repertoire is 1000x more satisfying.

Anyway, good for you_33.  It seems like once you turn a certain age, you really have to work to find a creative outlet for yourself, which we humans crave, imo.  So scratching that itch and learning a new skill is very exciting.

I only play from memory. I suck at sight reading. Also, this Joel you speak of. We talkin' 70s Joel, or that putrid 80s Joel?

whoa, hey buddy...you come after billy...i will know precisely why i go to extremes.

cracks knees. will travel.

unrelated, but question for any ITK pianists...whenever i (zero experience on the piano) am playing the air piano (frequently) my go-to move is thumb and ring finger hitting at the same time. What do you think? Am i probably a natural? Should i take up this instrument?
The first and fourth is always a hit!  If you really want to jam, throw the pinky in there too...though that chord is always a little sus.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 17, 2022, 12:06:40 PM
exactly what i was hoping to hear, t-y DQ12
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: mocat on May 17, 2022, 01:35:30 PM
unrelated, but question for any ITK pianists...whenever i (zero experience on the piano) am playing the air piano (frequently) my go-to move is thumb and ring finger hitting at the same time. What do you think? Am i probably a natural? Should i take up this instrument?
The first and fourth is always a hit!  If you really want to jam, throw the pinky in there too...though that chord is always a little sus.

can't believe this wasn't a spracne post
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 17, 2022, 01:44:55 PM
Some photos for Spracne to see the real thing.  The only thing I don't like is how the cords are exposed due to the minimal design, but oh well.

(https://i.ibb.co/tQMV410/Piano2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/k2tNVWT/Piano1.jpg)

Now here is some audio I recorded this morning.  It it was recorded using my phone which was lying next to me on the bench so not great quality.  In the first I played some scales soft, medium and then loud.  And in the second I played jingle bells soft, then loud.  (I also added my own little flair at the end of the 2nd jingle bells for a little treat)

https://streamable.com/ped70g

https://streamable.com/wi6voi

Thank you for this excellent information. And I loved the flair!
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 17, 2022, 01:47:24 PM
I play and really enjoy it.  I played as a kid and always kind of played enough to not get super rusty, but didn't really devote much time to it between ages 12-23 or so.  About 10ish years ago I subscribed to https://www.webpianoteacher.com/ (https://www.webpianoteacher.com/), which I really really liked and reinvigorated my love for those 88 ebony and ivory keys we all know so well!  My dad (who was more or less in my same boat, proficiency-wise) also swears by it. 

Essentially, it's this guy whose got a bank of hundreds of fairly popular songs (plenty of Joel/Elton) who does vimeo tutorials.  He basically writes the "sheet music" in a way that's really easy to understand, and goes through the entire pieces step by step.  The tutorials range in difficulty, but he's got plenty of stuff for beginners, including some primary lessons on technique and theory.  It was fairly expensive, but much cheaper than a weekly lesson or anything like that.  Highly, highly recommend it. 

One hot pro tip from me (that others may disagree with): if you're going to learn something, plan on going through the extra step of committing it to memory.  Playing a piece of sheet music is fun, but sitting down at any piano anywhere and playing your repertoire is 1000x more satisfying.

Anyway, good for you_33.  It seems like once you turn a certain age, you really have to work to find a creative outlet for yourself, which we humans crave, imo.  So scratching that itch and learning a new skill is very exciting.

I only play from memory. I suck at sight reading. Also, this Joel you speak of. We talkin' 70s Joel, or that putrid 80s Joel?

whoa, hey buddy...you come after billy...i will know precisely why i go to extremes.

cracks knees. will travel.

unrelated, but question for any ITK pianists...whenever i (zero experience on the piano) am playing the air piano (frequently) my go-to move is thumb and ring finger hitting at the same time. What do you think? Am i probably a natural? Should i take up this instrument?

Du calme, mon ami. I can confidently assert I'm the biggest Joel fan here. 70's, 80's, hell, even 90's (River of Dreams). There is no need for violence, especially with a knee cracker, because I've never seen someone lose a fight when they crack a knee right off the bat.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: DQ12 on May 17, 2022, 01:50:31 PM
unrelated, but question for any ITK pianists...whenever i (zero experience on the piano) am playing the air piano (frequently) my go-to move is thumb and ring finger hitting at the same time. What do you think? Am i probably a natural? Should i take up this instrument?
The first and fourth is always a hit!  If you really want to jam, throw the pinky in there too...though that chord is always a little sus.

can't believe this wasn't a spracne post
TY
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 17, 2022, 02:02:44 PM
i am knuckle deep in embarrassment that I only picked up on 50% of the entendre from DQ back there wow.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Brock Landers on May 17, 2022, 02:13:57 PM
i am knuckle deep in embarrassment that I only picked up on 50% of the entendre from DQ back there wow.

That's okay, most people's ability to catch a music theory joke will B minor.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on May 17, 2022, 03:58:25 PM
i am knuckle deep in embarrassment that I only picked up on 50% of the entendre from DQ back there wow.

That's okay, most people's ability to catch a music theory joke will B minor.

 ;)
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 02, 2022, 01:29:56 PM
Almost 3 weeks in and I've gotten a lot better. (I can play Auld Lang Syne really well) But I'm trying to add the pedal in now and it's incredibly hard.  Like I already have to do different things with each hand which is nearly impossible and now I have to think about what my foot is doing?!  Any pro-tips for resident piano players (pianists) on the pedal would be 'preciated.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2022, 01:39:55 PM
my pro tip is that the pedal will get much easier and become second nature and eventually you won't really even think about it.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2022, 01:41:29 PM
my pro tip is that the pedal will get much easier and become second nature and eventually you won't really even think about it.

Yeah, this. I just think of it as tapping my foot to a rhythm.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: mocat on June 02, 2022, 01:42:21 PM
just pedal whenever you want 33, nobody can stop you
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: tdaver on June 02, 2022, 01:47:50 PM
Go light on that pedal.  It’s easy to fall into the “wow this sounds awesome MOAR!” trap.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2022, 01:48:35 PM
Just get one of those bird things that bob up and down and use it to pedal for you.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Pete on June 02, 2022, 01:59:33 PM
I am not a piano player per se, but it is very much a part of my craft. I lounge lustily across the top of pianos whilst singing, and will frequently plop down beside the piano player on the bench while crooning out a particularly somber piece.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on June 05, 2022, 08:22:06 PM
I have purchased this. I hope you are a man of your word, _33. We'll find out, either way.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 06, 2022, 08:20:33 AM
I have purchased this. I hope you are a man of your word, _33. We'll find out, either way.

Nice!  FYI: you will need headphones with a 1/4" jack or a 1/8" to 1/4" adapter. (if you plan on utilizing the headphone option)
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 06, 2022, 08:29:03 AM
Spracne is the man(zarek)
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on June 06, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
I have purchased this. I hope you are a man of your word, _33. We'll find out, either way.

Nice!  FYI: you will need headphones with a 1/4" jack or a 1/8" to 1/4" adapter. (if you plan on utilizing the headphone option)

Thing is, I know I have an adapter SOMEWHERE. But I'm not even going to try to find it. TO AMAZON!  :cheese:
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 22, 2022, 02:20:08 PM
"Somewhere Over The Rainbow" is absolutely kicking my butt right now.  I'm making progress though. I'll post some sound when I have it mastered.

Also what 'cool' song (I mean not a song from by learning book) should I try to play first?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on June 22, 2022, 02:26:00 PM
"Somewhere Over The Rainbow" is absolutely kicking my butt right now.  I'm making progress though. I'll post some sound when I have it mastered.

Also what 'cool' song (I mean not a song from by learning book) should I try to play first?

Joel is always a good decision. I found "And So It Goes" and "She's Got a Way" to be pretty easy.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 22, 2022, 03:02:55 PM
Spracne, are you enjoying the piano? Did it live up to your expectations?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on June 22, 2022, 03:06:04 PM
Spracne, are you enjoying the piano? Did it live up to your expectations?

It's still boxed up because I'm lazy.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Brock Landers on June 22, 2022, 03:12:00 PM
"Somewhere Over The Rainbow" is absolutely kicking my butt right now.  I'm making progress though. I'll post some sound when I have it mastered.

Also what 'cool' song (I mean not a song from by learning book) should I try to play first?

Try the Gary Jules version of Mad World.  It's not generally considered lively or a banger but will totally convey the concept of staring out the window while contemplating your pathetic existence.  Wait what?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: DQ12 on June 22, 2022, 03:29:41 PM
I found this on the internet once and learned how to play it, though without quite as much flair as the very talented pianist in the video.  Very satisfying nonetheless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woISHBc2J-g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woISHBc2J-g)

Because i committed it to memory i can play it anywhere in the world, even in your living room if you asked me to.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 22, 2022, 03:54:27 PM
WOW! If you are ever in St Joe MO can you come play that in my living room? (actually the piano is in the den)

Also I have taken your advice about committing songs to memory.  Whenever I sit down to practice I quickly play through the songs I've memorized to help solidify them into my memory.  Obviously once I learn more songs I won't be able to do this every time but it's helping for now. So far I have memorized Auld Lang Syne, Joy To The World, and a simplified version of Lavender's blue. Now working on Somewhere Over The Rainbow.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 22, 2022, 03:57:21 PM
Spracne, are you enjoying the piano? Did it live up to your expectations?

It's still boxed up because I'm lazy.

All you have to do is screw the legs on that's what she said just do it already sheesh!
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: passranch on June 22, 2022, 04:25:54 PM
"Somewhere Over The Rainbow" is absolutely kicking my butt right now.  I'm making progress though. I'll post some sound when I have it mastered.

Also what 'cool' song (I mean not a song from by learning book) should I try to play first?

https://youtu.be/ljjWeHmeVE8?t=125
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on June 22, 2022, 06:48:10 PM
Spracne, are you enjoying the piano? Did it live up to your expectations?

It's still boxed up because I'm lazy.

All you have to do is screw the legs on that's what she said just do it already sheesh!

I think tonight's the night. That's what Neil Young said.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: pissclams on June 22, 2022, 07:12:03 PM
Spracne, are you enjoying the piano? Did it live up to your expectations?

It's still boxed up because I'm lazy.

All you have to do is screw the legs on that's what she said just do it already sheesh!

I think tonight's the night. That's what Neil Young said.

https://youtu.be/hykZtBaPKps
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 22, 2022, 08:01:51 PM
"Somewhere Over The Rainbow" is absolutely kicking my butt right now.  I'm making progress though. I'll post some sound when I have it mastered.

Also what 'cool' song (I mean not a song from by learning book) should I try to play first?

Joel is always a good decision. I found "And So It Goes" and "She's Got a Way" to be pretty easy.

I mean sure, yeah, you could try to learn And So It Goes but like how are you going to play when you have a giant lump in your throat bc you’re trying to fight back the tears? Really bad advice here
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on June 22, 2022, 08:59:09 PM
"Somewhere Over The Rainbow" is absolutely kicking my butt right now.  I'm making progress though. I'll post some sound when I have it mastered.

Also what 'cool' song (I mean not a song from by learning book) should I try to play first?

Joel is always a good decision. I found "And So It Goes" and "She's Got a Way" to be pretty easy.

I mean sure, yeah, you could try to learn And So It Goes but like how are you going to play when you have a giant lump in your throat bc you’re trying to fight back the tears? Really bad advice here

BAC, I didn't just give you this heart for you to proceed to break it.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 22, 2022, 11:27:26 PM
As if that choice was mine to make
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on July 18, 2022, 08:47:48 AM
Finally I can play "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" very well.  Took almost 6 weeks. :Ughhh: Part of that time was spent memorizing it.  Now I can play it in DQ12's living room if he wants.

What song should I learn next?

Like= Yesterday by The Beatles

Comment= That main song from the movie Up
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: DQ12 on July 18, 2022, 10:37:48 AM
I'm working on The Sign by Ace of Base rn.  For whatever reason, that song has haunted me for the better part of the last two years.  Such an earworm.  It drives Mrs. DQ nuts because it gets in her head too. 

@_33, which song do you like to listen to more?  Learn that one.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Institutional Control on July 18, 2022, 11:08:11 AM
From my time at the Top Gun Naval flight school, I can tell you that learning Great Balls of Fire is a stud move.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 19, 2022, 09:05:09 AM
VLPIQ over here but just curious when you learn a new ditty do you like, learn both the bass and treble parts at the same time or do you get the right hand down, then the left, then put it all together?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on July 19, 2022, 12:12:31 PM
VLPIQ over here but just curious when you learn a new ditty do you like, learn both the bass and treble parts at the same time or do you get the right hand down, then the left, then put it all together?

I usually practice the right first, then left, and then put them together.  I'm kind of wondering if it's a waste though because my brain completely scrambles when I put them together so I basically have to relearn both when I start practicing with both hands.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on July 19, 2022, 01:15:07 PM
VLPIQ over here but just curious when you learn a new ditty do you like, learn both the bass and treble parts at the same time or do you get the right hand down, then the left, then put it all together?

I usually practice the right first, then left, and then put them together.  I'm kind of wondering if it's a waste though because my brain completely scrambles when I put them together so I basically have to relearn both when I start practicing with both hands.

I do similar, but I only do a bar or two at a time. That way by the time I get to the last bar, I will have practiced both parts roughly a brazilian times.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: DQ12 on July 20, 2022, 05:39:08 PM
My left hand usually isn’t very fancy.  Pretty much just vamping octaves that make sense, so adding that in really isn’t terribly complicated.

It’s kind of cheating but I don’t care.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 21, 2022, 11:14:34 AM
Finally I can play "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" very well.  Took almost 6 weeks. :Ughhh: Part of that time was spent memorizing it.  Now I can play it in DQ12's living room if he wants.

What song should I learn next?

Like= Yesterday by The Beatles

Comment= That main song from the movie Up

Lean on Me seems like it would be appropriate for where you are in your journey
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on July 21, 2022, 12:44:03 PM
Let It Be is pretty easy, too.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on March 25, 2023, 09:50:32 PM
I’m playing piano to cope with the loss. Imagine the most rage filled rendition of Amazing Grace that you’ve ever heard.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 02, 2023, 12:51:31 PM
I can play Epiphany from the Pixar movie Soul. It's a beautiful song really.

Also my son has taken up the piano now and it is infuriating how fast he has picked it up. But also cool. We are learning a really hard version of the Top Gun Theme together. I'm playing the left and he the right.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 02, 2023, 01:12:17 PM
greatest piano duet ever (and its not close) is that one song where the left person plays the part that goes dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy and then after the 8th time playing that the player on the right comes in with din din din....da do be dum ba de ping ping ping....da do be dum ba de BING--BONG. Ba da ba da ba dum.

Absolute classic whatever song that is that i just described perfectly. 
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2023, 01:21:37 PM
greatest piano duet ever (and its not close) is that one song where the left person plays the part that goes dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy, dom-pa-deddy and then after the 8th time playing that the player on the right comes in with din din din....da do be dum ba de ping ping ping....da do be dum ba de BING--BONG. Ba da ba da ba dum.

Absolute classic whatever song that is that i just described perfectly.

Heart and Soul
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 04, 2023, 01:42:54 PM
Did you put together your piano yet?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on June 04, 2023, 01:43:25 PM
Did you put together your piano yet?

Yes.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 04, 2023, 03:34:21 PM
Do you like it?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on June 04, 2023, 04:10:45 PM
Do you like it?

Yeah. I set it up, realized I had forgotten how to play a lot of songs, and now it gets dusted by my housekeeper every week, during which time she inevitably knocks the music stand over.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on July 24, 2024, 01:02:46 PM
I'm learning how to play 'Right Now' on piano. Hopefully in time for KSU football season. It's very hard.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Stupid Fitz on July 24, 2024, 01:27:14 PM
Hijacking a bit. I've thought about buying an acoustic guitar for like three years. Just want to expand the brain a bit and I love music. I've never played an instrument before and can't read sheet music or anything. I'd prob follow a youtube lesson plan or something at first and if it stuck, maybe get some private lessons. Any other old ballsers ever tried this from scratch?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on July 24, 2024, 04:50:10 PM
Just learn one song really well on the guitar and then whenever a guitar is around you can play it. Then when everyone asks you to play something else you can act all humble and be like no I couldn't possibly. I know Sweet Home Alabama and nothing else on the guitar.

But in all seriousness, I'm not very good at the piano but it is really fun and satisfying to practice and learn something new. I feel like I'm working a different part of my brain. And now my son has started piano lessons and he loves it and passed me in skill almost immediately. He can watch a YouTube piano video and then start playing it pretty well almost immediately. It's infuriating but also very cool.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: yoga-like_abana on July 24, 2024, 06:06:58 PM
My 6 y/o is learning to play the trumpet and it's hilarious. She's also better at it then me.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: steve dave on July 24, 2024, 06:39:45 PM
I haven’t played trumpet since like 8th grade but could 100% still bust out some sheet music read Eye Of The Tiger or Apache.


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Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 24, 2024, 07:08:30 PM
I'm learning how to play 'Right Now' on piano. Hopefully in time for KSU football season. It's very hard.

I recently tried to learn this and gave up very quickly.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on July 24, 2024, 10:25:27 PM
I'm learning how to play 'Right Now' on piano. Hopefully in time for KSU football season. It's very hard.

I recently tried to learn this and gave up very quickly.

Let's learn it together. We can do this. We can do hard things.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on August 14, 2024, 03:14:09 PM
Right Now is coming along ok. I'm doing pretty good at it. I'll post some audio some time so you guys can hear how good/bad I'm doing.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on August 30, 2024, 12:43:57 PM
I think I only messed up 2 times on this one except for the several tiny mess ups with the right hand during the fast part. Not bad I guess!

go cats get pumped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCq7ZV_S3es
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on August 30, 2024, 01:32:05 PM
Well done. Also, you look like me with the stiff hands thing we amateurs do.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: pissclams on August 30, 2024, 02:07:54 PM
I think I only messed up 2 times on this one except for the several tiny mess ups with the right hand during the fast part. Not bad I guess!

go cats get pumped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCq7ZV_S3es
i sang along
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on August 30, 2024, 02:18:24 PM
Well done. Also, you look like me with the stiff hands thing we amateurs do.

haha yeah, I don't know how to relax my hands. My whole body is tense. Nothing flows naturally from my fingers to the piano at this point. It's like I'm trying to murder the piano by taking it by the throat and squeezing the notes out of it.  I hope one day I will be able to relax and play with more freedom.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 30, 2024, 02:20:12 PM
i just fist pumped my ass off
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: star seed 7 on August 30, 2024, 02:23:09 PM
Very nicely done 33
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: meow meow on August 30, 2024, 02:23:53 PM
hell yeah best bud _33
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: DQ12 on September 03, 2024, 12:57:55 PM
way to go, _33! 
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on November 07, 2024, 09:12:55 AM
Whenever I'm watching someone play piano on a tutorial or something I get annoyed when they play with 'flair'. Like the exaggerated hand movements and stuff comes across as so pretentious to me. Just play the piano!  :curse:

Could be I'm jealous of them?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: mocat on November 07, 2024, 09:48:15 AM


Whenever I'm watching someone play piano on a tutorial or something I get annoyed when they play with 'flair'. Like the exaggerated hand movements and stuff comes across as so pretentious to me. Just play the piano!  :curse:

Could be I'm jealous of them?


I don't know if this is exactly what you're talking about, but I have thought the same about singers using a bunch of flair and exaggerated / weird head or hand movements. Then I started singing and realized you can't really control them. When you are totally locked in and have complete focus on performing, the face and body contortions and weird hand motions just happen, and somehow they help you hit the notes, I can't really explain it!

Idk if piano is the same because the hand flairs do seem more performative
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on November 07, 2024, 10:09:49 AM
Hmmm, that's interesting. Maybe it's a way to keep their hands and body relaxed while they play? I suppose that's possible.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 07, 2024, 10:15:17 AM
If you got it flaunt it, that's my motto
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: cfbandyman on November 07, 2024, 10:24:31 AM
Hmmm, that's interesting. Maybe it's a way to keep their hands and body relaxed while they play? I suppose that's possible.

Yeah, I think it goes with more "feeling" the music/performance. It more performative for sure especially on a piano but I can imagine how quickly/hard/soft/carefully you strike the key could change how the mallet strikes the strings ever so slightly differently.

But yeah, I think having more flair kinda goes to performing for the audience with are you trying to be more deadpanned like Rowan Atkinson at the 2012 olympics or like really be in it like I'd imagine someone doing the opening to phantom of the opera, or being more purposeful as I'd imagine you be during moonlight sonata. It adds to the piece when you see the performer play.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on November 07, 2024, 02:48:10 PM


Whenever I'm watching someone play piano on a tutorial or something I get annoyed when they play with 'flair'. Like the exaggerated hand movements and stuff comes across as so pretentious to me. Just play the piano!  :curse:

Could be I'm jealous of them?


I don't know if this is exactly what you're talking about, but I have thought the same about singers using a bunch of flair and exaggerated / weird head or hand movements. Then I started singing and realized you can't really control them. When you are totally locked in and have complete focus on performing, the face and body contortions and weird hand motions just happen, and somehow they help you hit the notes, I can't really explain it!

Idk if piano is the same because the hand flairs do seem more performative

I know. When I'm together with some friends having a sing sesh, they call it my "O face," but I can't help it. I joke that I must have hit a high G, a.k.a. my G-spot. All joking aside, you truly can't control what happens when you are lost in song.

Similarly, I find myself dancing while standing and playing guitar. But like swing dancing, not dancing in place.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: mocat on November 07, 2024, 02:51:52 PM
swing dancing? Like billy gibbons?
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on December 26, 2024, 11:59:30 AM
I learned Auld Lang Syne pretty good for New Years. I'll try to post me playing it on New Years. So you can hear it. If you want.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Brock Landers on December 27, 2024, 10:10:39 AM
I have embarked on a journey to play Estranged by GnR.  It's almost certainly the longest thing I've ever played.  That's what she said.  Go Cats.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on December 27, 2024, 10:33:49 AM
I have embarked on a journey to play Estranged by GnR.  It's almost certainly the longest thing I've ever played.  That's what she said.  Go Cats.

Hell yeah.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: DQ12 on December 29, 2024, 09:13:09 PM
Bought my wife a guitar for Christmas so she could play some Taylor swift songs (which she mentioned she’d like to do) but mostly it’s for me because I want to learn to play guitar and i bet I could do it.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on December 29, 2024, 09:35:15 PM
I've had an acoustic guitar for a long time, tried to play it for a little while, never really stuck. The piano has grabbed my balls way harder than the guitar did for some reason.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Institutional Control on December 30, 2024, 03:51:04 PM
I've had an acoustic guitar for a long time, tried to play it for a little while, never really stuck. The piano has grabbed my balls way harder than the guitar did for some reason.

It's probably easier on your soft girly fingers.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on December 30, 2024, 03:52:48 PM
100% true. Playing guitar was ouch city on the fingies.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 31, 2024, 09:01:49 AM
I (conservatively) estimate I’ve lost like 74% of the feeling in my left hand fingertips but I was changing my strings yesterday and stabbed myself a couple times and turns out that still hurts like heck
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on January 01, 2025, 12:08:59 PM
I've been working on this since Halloween. Still a slow process for me, but gratifying to play it almost perfectly in the end.

Happy New Year!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5f4Al3ENCk
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: steve dave on January 01, 2025, 12:10:59 PM
hell yeah brother
Title: Learning Piano
Post by: pissclams on January 01, 2025, 12:30:13 PM
i don’t know if i have heard anything past the fifty second mark before this so it’s kind of like a remix version to me.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: IPA4Me on January 01, 2025, 04:25:29 PM
I've been working on this since Halloween. Still a slow process for me, but gratifying to play it almost perfectly in the end.

Happy New Year!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5f4Al3ENCk
Solid work.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on April 15, 2025, 08:09:50 PM
Learning the Severance theme right now. My outie enjoys playing the piano lol.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on May 30, 2025, 04:57:41 PM
I tried to play some stuff on a regular piano the other day and it was so weird! Like it's essentially the same instrument as my weighted digital piano but feels so different playing.

Probably why the purists say you can't really play until you can play on a normal piano.

Maybe it's like the difference between playing electric vs acoustic guitar? But maybe not, I dunno.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on May 30, 2025, 05:06:07 PM
I tried to play some stuff on a regular piano the other day and it was so weird! Like it's essentially the same instrument as my weighted digital piano but feels so different playing.

Probably why the purists say you can't really play until you can play on a normal piano.

Maybe it's like the difference between playing electric vs acoustic guitar? But maybe not, I dunno.

Weird how? Every piano I've played had a slightly different feel to it.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: mocat on May 30, 2025, 05:50:57 PM
A real piano with real ivory keys is totally different yeah. Probably a little like switching from electric to acoustic
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: mocat on May 30, 2025, 05:51:13 PM
_33 what are you playing these days
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 02, 2025, 11:55:16 AM
_33 what are you playing these days

I finished the Severance theme a couple weeks ago. That was very hard for me but also very satisfying.

Now I'm working on Amazing Grace to add to my hymn collection which right now only includes In Christ Alone (my favorite and the first one I learned).

I also really want to learn the Jurassic Park theme this summer. Basically I want to know how to play the most random collection of music of all time lol.

I'll post some videos of some of these this summer. And everyone else can post videos of them playing songs on the piano too if you want.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: star seed 7 on June 02, 2025, 12:18:12 PM
I think the severence theme could transition into the hook(?) from dre's the next episode and your audience would go wild. Just something to think about.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: catastrophe on June 02, 2025, 12:33:09 PM
I've always wanted to learn to play piano and finally started that journey. My work offers a monthly "wellness benefit" that was burning a hole in my pocket so I got the SimplyPiano app and it's completely addictive so far. I'd recommend it to anyone who is brand new and needing some motivation to just get started (and doesn't mind spending in the range of $20-$25/month).
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: mocat on June 02, 2025, 01:10:24 PM
I think the severence theme could transition into the hook(?) from dre's the next episode and your audience would go wild. Just something to think about.
And then the piano theme from Succession!
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: j rake on June 02, 2025, 01:39:47 PM
_33 what are you playing these days

I finished the Severance theme a couple weeks ago. That was very hard for me but also very satisfying.

Now I'm working on Amazing Grace to add to my hymn collection which right now only includes In Christ Alone (my favorite and the first one I learned).

I also really want to learn the Jurassic Park theme this summer. Basically I want to know how to play the most random collection of music of all time lol.

I'll post some videos of some of these this summer. And everyone else can post videos of them playing songs on the piano too if you want.

great thread! i bought a piano about 18 months ago. i started with the simply piano app, got impatient with it, and then went directly to trying to learn songs using the falling keys tutorial method that is all over Youtube (Hugo was my favorite); as well as Nate the Piano teacher (also on Youtube); and webpianoteacher (mentioned previously in this thread.)

very first song i learned - well, 45 seconds of it - was the life and death theme from LOST.

second song i learned - well, 30 seconds of it - was the intro to springsteen's thunder road.

third song i learned - well, 30 seconds of it - was the intro to fleetwood mac's silver springs.

fourth song i learned - well, the first 90 seconds of it - was jackson browne's late for the sky.

you get the point. i learned the intros to various songs - independence day and racing in the street by oscar; doctor my eyes and standing in the breach by jackson browne; heart of gold and after the goldrush by neil young; and billy joel's new song ("turn the lights back on") among others. nothing, ever, to completion.

my piano routine since the beginning has been: sit down at the piano for 15-30 mins, play whatever song opening i feel like i know or want to learn, rifle through the opening or try to get it down, then quit on it. then i find a new song, repeat the process until i get stuck, and quit on that as well. shockingly, this has remained fun for me, even as my actual piano skills suck. i like being able to replicate songs i like - parts of them, anyway.

just recently i had a bit of a breakthrough. i was able to learn the entire outro to layla from goodfellas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpkIlO2lgAE

i also can play jackson browne's "these days" pretty much beginning to end.

in any case, i completely suck, and have decided i need to actually go through the process of learning fundamentals. so i'll be back on simply piano or some related piano app soon enough.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 02, 2025, 02:08:00 PM
Yes! We are the same!

I also exclusively learn by watching the falling keys method on YouTube. I did learn to play Epiphany from the movie Soul using actual sheet music but it was just note by note finding the C key and then counting to what key I needed to play lmao. Then I just have to memorize it because looking at the sheet music as a whole is like looking at a paragraph written in Japanese or something.

I constantly say to myself I need to start back at the basics and learn to read music and learn where the keys are and all that stuff and then I don't and instead learn to play the first 30 seconds of Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol before moving to learning the first 30 seconds of the Top Gun Theme then moving to Right Now - Van Halen for cat football reasons.

Like you, I just find it really fun to play something recognizable. I have no interest in practicing scales lol.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 02, 2025, 02:13:37 PM
I think the severence theme could transition into the hook(?) from dre's the next episode and your audience would go wild. Just something to think about.

My son plays Fur Elise and transitions into Still D.R.E... it's pretty epic.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: j rake on June 02, 2025, 02:26:09 PM
Yes! We are the same!

I also exclusively learn by watching the falling keys method on YouTube. I did learn to play Epiphany from the movie Soul using actual sheet music but it was just note by note finding the C key and then counting to what key I needed to play lmao. Then I just have to memorize it because looking at the sheet music as a whole is like looking at a paragraph written in Japanese or something.

I constantly say to myself I need to start back at the basics and learn to read music and learn where the keys are and all that stuff and then I don't and instead learn to play the first 30 seconds of Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol before moving to learning the first 30 seconds of the Top Gun Theme then moving to Right Now - Van Halen for cat football reasons.

Like you, I just find it really fun to play something recognizable. I have no interest in practicing scales lol.

lol exactly. i can't fathom actually ever reading sheet music. that's why webpianoteacher's method really appealed to me. the problem i have with him is that i never watched all his tutorials and don't really care to - so i don't know exactly what all his various squiggly lines mean. also, the production quality of his lessons are objectively bad - it's sometimes very difficult for me to tell which keys he's pushing with which finger, and when. which means i have to waste a lot of time going back 5-10 secs to try to decipher what he did. then he will realize he mis-wrote something, so he'll say it but then race through it. then he'll skip to a different part of the song without telling you. some tutorials are certainly better than others, but i find the whole experience to be somewhat aggravating. unfortunately, he has many of the songs in his library that i want to play, which is why i never cancel.

if you could combine piano with nate's presentation and teaching style, with webpianoteacher's song book and general approach, i'd be a much happier bad piano player.

not sure if you've ever used them, but the silicone labels you can place on top of the keys is incredibly helpful, but with an obvious downside. i was at my in-laws house, and they have a piano. it was suggested that i play one of the two aforementioned songs that i actually know how to play. so i sat down and prepared to play. but without my silicone labels, i literally couldn't even get started. i was completely lost.  :frown:
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2025, 02:42:31 PM
Yes! We are the same!

I also exclusively learn by watching the falling keys method on YouTube. I did learn to play Epiphany from the movie Soul using actual sheet music but it was just note by note finding the C key and then counting to what key I needed to play lmao. Then I just have to memorize it because looking at the sheet music as a whole is like looking at a paragraph written in Japanese or something.

I constantly say to myself I need to start back at the basics and learn to read music and learn where the keys are and all that stuff and then I don't and instead learn to play the first 30 seconds of Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol before moving to learning the first 30 seconds of the Top Gun Theme then moving to Right Now - Van Halen for cat football reasons.

Like you, I just find it really fun to play something recognizable. I have no interest in practicing scales lol.

lol exactly. i can't fathom actually ever reading sheet music. that's why webpianoteacher's method really appealed to me. the problem i have with him is that i never watched all his tutorials and don't really care to - so i don't know exactly what all his various squiggly lines mean. also, the production quality of his lessons are objectively bad - it's sometimes very difficult for me to tell which keys he's pushing with which finger, and when. which means i have to waste a lot of time going back 5-10 secs to try to decipher what he did. then he will realize he mis-wrote something, so he'll say it but then race through it. then he'll skip to a different part of the song without telling you. some tutorials are certainly better than others, but i find the whole experience to be somewhat aggravating. unfortunately, he has many of the songs in his library that i want to play, which is why i never cancel.

if you could combine piano with nate's presentation and teaching style, with webpianoteacher's song book and general approach, i'd be a much happier bad piano player.

not sure if you've ever used them, but the silicone labels you can place on top of the keys is incredibly helpful, but with an obvious downside. i was at my in-laws house, and they have a piano. it was suggested that i play one of the two aforementioned songs that i actually know how to play. so i sat down and prepared to play. but without my silicone labels, i literally couldn't even get started. i was completely lost.  :frown:
literally LOL'd at the thought of you sitting down at your in-laws piano at thanksgiving or something and then having a panic attack because the keys weren't labeled.

learning sheet music is pretty easy.  you don't really need to know the rhythm/counting stuff -- especially if you're playing familiar music.  But recognizing which notes are where is very helpful.  I know webpianoteacher (or just "sean" as we call him in my house) does a whole walk through on theory which is helpful and interesting (imo).  the circle of fifths, in particular, is mindblowing just to see how all of the puzzle pieces fit together.  idk, i think it's interesting.

Really, if you can just get a feel for knowing what notes are in what keys and knowing the general chords associated with the keys, that goes a long way.  OTOH, if that feels like homework or boring or whatever, don't bother with it!  keep having fun playing piano!  but the circle of fifths is neat and i bet you guys will agree if you watch a 10-15 minute youtube video on it.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: j rake on June 02, 2025, 02:58:06 PM
Yes! We are the same!

I also exclusively learn by watching the falling keys method on YouTube. I did learn to play Epiphany from the movie Soul using actual sheet music but it was just note by note finding the C key and then counting to what key I needed to play lmao. Then I just have to memorize it because looking at the sheet music as a whole is like looking at a paragraph written in Japanese or something.

I constantly say to myself I need to start back at the basics and learn to read music and learn where the keys are and all that stuff and then I don't and instead learn to play the first 30 seconds of Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol before moving to learning the first 30 seconds of the Top Gun Theme then moving to Right Now - Van Halen for cat football reasons.

Like you, I just find it really fun to play something recognizable. I have no interest in practicing scales lol.

lol exactly. i can't fathom actually ever reading sheet music. that's why webpianoteacher's method really appealed to me. the problem i have with him is that i never watched all his tutorials and don't really care to - so i don't know exactly what all his various squiggly lines mean. also, the production quality of his lessons are objectively bad - it's sometimes very difficult for me to tell which keys he's pushing with which finger, and when. which means i have to waste a lot of time going back 5-10 secs to try to decipher what he did. then he will realize he mis-wrote something, so he'll say it but then race through it. then he'll skip to a different part of the song without telling you. some tutorials are certainly better than others, but i find the whole experience to be somewhat aggravating. unfortunately, he has many of the songs in his library that i want to play, which is why i never cancel.

if you could combine piano with nate's presentation and teaching style, with webpianoteacher's song book and general approach, i'd be a much happier bad piano player.

not sure if you've ever used them, but the silicone labels you can place on top of the keys is incredibly helpful, but with an obvious downside. i was at my in-laws house, and they have a piano. it was suggested that i play one of the two aforementioned songs that i actually know how to play. so i sat down and prepared to play. but without my silicone labels, i literally couldn't even get started. i was completely lost.  :frown:

learning sheet music is pretty easy.  you don't really need to know the rhythm/counting stuff -- especially if you're playing familiar music.  But recognizing which notes are where is very helpful.  I know webpianoteacher (or just "sean" as we call him in my house) does a whole walk through on theory which is helpful and interesting (imo).  the circle of fifths, in particular, is mindblowing just to see how all of the puzzle pieces fit together.  idk, i think it's interesting.

Really, if you can just get a feel for knowing what notes are in what keys and knowing the general chords associated with the keys, that goes a long way.  OTOH, if that feels like homework or boring or whatever, don't bother with it!  keep having fun playing piano!  but the circle of fifths is neat and i bet you guys will agree if you watch a 10-15 minute youtube video on it.

im gonna have to check out the circle of fifths. one thing i figured out only recently was that my method for practicing is awful/inefficient and my timeline for learning a new song is insanely unrealistic. as a complete newb, with no real training, i really thought i was going to learn a billy joel song beginning to end in a couple of days - and that the path to progress would be fairly linear. what makes it worse is that when i get stuck, instead of focusing all my time/energy on the part where im stuck, i always play through the part i actually know leading up to that point. again and again until the stuck part. so i'll play 25 seconds of stuff i know, get stuck, smack myself in the head, then return to the beginning. then i repeat the 25 seconds of stuff i know, then get stuck again, then back to the beginning. i repeat this process again and again, and keep getting stuck in the same spot. why wouldn't i just stay on the stuck spot until i get unstuck? it makes no sense and i have no idea why i do this. my only theory is that video games i played as a kid reinforced the idea of always going back to the beginning - like mario after getting bitten by a piranha plant. you go back to start!

Quote from: DQ12
literally LOL'd at the thought of you sitting down at your in-laws piano at thanksgiving or something and then having a panic attack because the keys weren't labeled.

what made this worse is a 6 year old took my place and ripped through a very solid version of ode to joy (she takes lessons).
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2025, 03:57:49 PM
More of a Cycle of Fourths man, myself.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: star seed 7 on June 02, 2025, 04:33:50 PM
I think the severence theme could transition into the hook(?) from dre's the next episode and your audience would go wild. Just something to think about.

My son plays Fur Elise and transitions into Still D.R.E... it's pretty epic.

lol this is the song i meant anyway  :blush:
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 03, 2025, 09:35:00 AM
I think the severence theme could transition into the hook(?) from dre's the next episode and your audience would go wild. Just something to think about.

My son plays Fur Elise and transitions into Still D.R.E... it's pretty epic.

lol this is the song i meant anyway  :blush:

Hell yeah
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 03, 2025, 09:51:03 AM
Yes! We are the same!

I also exclusively learn by watching the falling keys method on YouTube. I did learn to play Epiphany from the movie Soul using actual sheet music but it was just note by note finding the C key and then counting to what key I needed to play lmao. Then I just have to memorize it because looking at the sheet music as a whole is like looking at a paragraph written in Japanese or something.

I constantly say to myself I need to start back at the basics and learn to read music and learn where the keys are and all that stuff and then I don't and instead learn to play the first 30 seconds of Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol before moving to learning the first 30 seconds of the Top Gun Theme then moving to Right Now - Van Halen for cat football reasons.

Like you, I just find it really fun to play something recognizable. I have no interest in practicing scales lol.

lol exactly. i can't fathom actually ever reading sheet music. that's why webpianoteacher's method really appealed to me. the problem i have with him is that i never watched all his tutorials and don't really care to - so i don't know exactly what all his various squiggly lines mean. also, the production quality of his lessons are objectively bad - it's sometimes very difficult for me to tell which keys he's pushing with which finger, and when. which means i have to waste a lot of time going back 5-10 secs to try to decipher what he did. then he will realize he mis-wrote something, so he'll say it but then race through it. then he'll skip to a different part of the song without telling you. some tutorials are certainly better than others, but i find the whole experience to be somewhat aggravating. unfortunately, he has many of the songs in his library that i want to play, which is why i never cancel.

if you could combine piano with nate's presentation and teaching style, with webpianoteacher's song book and general approach, i'd be a much happier bad piano player.

not sure if you've ever used them, but the silicone labels you can place on top of the keys is incredibly helpful, but with an obvious downside. i was at my in-laws house, and they have a piano. it was suggested that i play one of the two aforementioned songs that i actually know how to play. so i sat down and prepared to play. but without my silicone labels, i literally couldn't even get started. i was completely lost.  :frown:

learning sheet music is pretty easy.  you don't really need to know the rhythm/counting stuff -- especially if you're playing familiar music.  But recognizing which notes are where is very helpful.  I know webpianoteacher (or just "sean" as we call him in my house) does a whole walk through on theory which is helpful and interesting (imo).  the circle of fifths, in particular, is mindblowing just to see how all of the puzzle pieces fit together.  idk, i think it's interesting.

Really, if you can just get a feel for knowing what notes are in what keys and knowing the general chords associated with the keys, that goes a long way.  OTOH, if that feels like homework or boring or whatever, don't bother with it!  keep having fun playing piano!  but the circle of fifths is neat and i bet you guys will agree if you watch a 10-15 minute youtube video on it.

im gonna have to check out the circle of fifths. one thing i figured out only recently was that my method for practicing is awful/inefficient and my timeline for learning a new song is insanely unrealistic. as a complete newb, with no real training, i really thought i was going to learn a billy joel song beginning to end in a couple of days - and that the path to progress would be fairly linear. what makes it worse is that when i get stuck, instead of focusing all my time/energy on the part where im stuck, i always play through the part i actually know leading up to that point. again and again until the stuck part. so i'll play 25 seconds of stuff i know, get stuck, smack myself in the head, then return to the beginning. then i repeat the 25 seconds of stuff i know, then get stuck again, then back to the beginning. i repeat this process again and again, and keep getting stuck in the same spot. why wouldn't i just stay on the stuck spot until i get unstuck? it makes no sense and i have no idea why i do this. my only theory is that video games i played as a kid reinforced the idea of always going back to the beginning - like mario after getting bitten by a piranha plant. you go back to start!

Quote from: DQ12
literally LOL'd at the thought of you sitting down at your in-laws piano at thanksgiving or something and then having a panic attack because the keys weren't labeled.

what made this worse is a 6 year old took my place and ripped through a very solid version of ode to joy (she takes lessons).

We are the same piano player. I've played the first half of Severance roughly 5,000 times all the way through, and the last part (the part I struggle with) about 12. Always start over. Maybe there is something comforting to an insecure piano player about always going back to what you know instead of sitting in the struggle and fighting through it. Probably a life lesson in there.

I also had a similar experience with public humiliation. We were at my wife's grandma's nursing home and there was a piano in a common area. My son was playing songs for her and several older people gathered around and were listening. Then my wife said I should play In Christ Alone (old people love hymns) so I sat down to play, but the piano was different than my digital keyboard and it broke my brain. It wasn't even that different, just the difference between a piano and a digital piano but it did something to me. I got through the first few bars and kept messing up/went blank. Probably some stage fright in there too, but I really think if it was my home piano I would have been fine. I stood up and said, bring the kid back up, and my son went back to playing Interstellar or something.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: j rake on June 03, 2025, 01:10:03 PM
I also had a similar experience with public humiliation. We were at my wife's grandma's nursing home and there was a piano in a common area. My son was playing songs for her and several older people gathered around and were listening. Then my wife said I should play In Christ Alone (old people love hymns) so I sat down to play, but the piano was different than my digital keyboard and it broke my brain. It wasn't even that different, just the difference between a piano and a digital piano but it did something to me. I got through the first few bars and kept messing up/went blank. Probably some stage fright in there too, but I really think if it was my home piano I would have been fine. I stood up and said, bring the kid back up, and my son went back to playing Interstellar or something.

so do you focus almost entirely on songs that are right hand dominant with very simple left hand parts? my left hand is completely worthless. when i search out songs to try i will look for songs that have single-key left hand parts. i'm also fine with octaves in the left hand. but anything even remotely complex in the left hand just simply isn't happening.

if you have any good-but-easy song recommendations, would love to hear em.

also, sigh, im gonna throw some $ away and sub to this for a year: https://www.pianowithnate.com/piano-chord-breakthroughs#Payment-Options

this guy has been like the one online teacher who has gotten through to me somehow, and his song selections and demos sort of click for me.
Title: Re: Learning Piano
Post by: _33 on June 03, 2025, 03:40:44 PM
Yeah I struggle with the left hand. Especially with syncopation, which is what my son told it's called when the left hand is playing a rhythm that doesn't match up with the right hand. Almost impossible for me.

If I'm able to press the keys at the same time as the right I can eventually figure it out most of the time.