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Prediction for the first rankings from the Playoff Committee:
1. Georgia
2. Mich. St
3. Alabama
4. Cincy
5. Dirt burglars
6. tOSU
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Seems about right to me
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan St
3. Cincinnati
4. OU
5. Bama
6. Oregon
7. tOSU
I think this early they'll have a lot of deference to the undefeated teams and head-to-head wins. The waters will muddy as we go.
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan St
3. Cincinnati
4. OU
5. Bama
6. Oregon
7. tOSU
I think this early they'll have a lot of deference to the undefeated teams and head-to-head wins. The waters will muddy as we go.
Flip OU and Cincy but yes, agreed, I legit would be shocked if they put Bama in the top 4 (for now).
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I was doing a semi-countdown in the realignment thread, so I'll just move it over here.
Last week
SEC: Alabama took care of business with Tennessee and Georgia had the weekend off. These are the only two realistic possibilities.
big 10: Penn State dropped one they shouldn't have, and is now likely all out of the hunt. Michigan, Michigan St, and Ohio State all still control their own destiny. Iowa still technically in it, but will need help.
Pac: ...
Big XII: Gundy gonna Gundy. BlowU is the only realistic possibility now. Okie Light and Baylor still technically in it, but will need help to climb back into the conversation.
Coastal lost their mid-week game too, so the only other teams left are ND and Wake Forest (who hung 70 on Army btw). Oregon is still technically there, but isn't doing anything to impress the committee and could easily be jumped by ND and WF in the rankings before their CCG, if they make it that far.
So, things continue to look better and better for future conference member Cincinnati.
SEC: With Kentucky and Ole Miss losing, this now leaves Alabama and Georgia as the only mathematically possible teams to make the playoffs from the SEC.
big 10: Iowa continuing to be Iowa and is now eliminated entirely. Michigan is out as well. Only Ohio State and Michigan State stand a chance at making it, and they still have to play each other. Loser is eliminated from the title hunt.
Pac: I know I keep leaving Oregon out of this, even though they're still technically in the hunt. But realistically, they're going to get leap frogged by teams behind them in the rankings before they're likely to hop in themselves.
Big XII: BlowU is it. Baylor and OSU still there, but like Oregon and Ohio State, they'd need help to make it into the conversation.
ACC: Wake Forest still making waves, still undefeated. I'm afraid they won't be able to control their own destiny though due to the brand on their helmets. Big test for them this weekend though going up against North Carolina
The rest: ND beat NC to at least stay alive, but will needs some teams ahead of them to lose.
Things continue to look good for Cincinnati. Thanks to some other teams losing games they shouldn't have, Cincy just about controls their own destiny at this point. If they win out, the only scenario that they really have to worry about is Michigan State going undefeated, Oklahoma going undefeated, and Alabama upsetting an undefeated Georgia in the SEC championship game. I don't think even an undefeated Wake Forest is enough to drop them out of the top 4.
Lots of football left to be played though.
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According to Chingon (what he expects the committee to do):
1. Georgia
2. Michigan State
3. Oklahoma
4. Alabama
5. Cincinnati
6. Ohio State
7. Oregon
8. Michigan
9. Wake Forest
10. Auburn
What they should do according to ChERNOBYL (predicting out the rest of the season)
1. Ohio State
2. Georgia
3. Michigan State
4. Alabama
5. Michigan
6. Notre Dame
7. Cincinnati
8. Auburn
9. Oklahoma
10. Penn State
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I was doing a semi-countdown in the realignment thread, so I'll just move it over here.
Last week
SEC: Alabama took care of business with Tennessee and Georgia had the weekend off. These are the only two realistic possibilities.
big 10: Penn State dropped one they shouldn't have, and is now likely all out of the hunt. Michigan, Michigan St, and Ohio State all still control their own destiny. Iowa still technically in it, but will need help.
Pac: ...
Big XII: Gundy gonna Gundy. BlowU is the only realistic possibility now. Okie Light and Baylor still technically in it, but will need help to climb back into the conversation.
Coastal lost their mid-week game too, so the only other teams left are ND and Wake Forest (who hung 70 on Army btw). Oregon is still technically there, but isn't doing anything to impress the committee and could easily be jumped by ND and WF in the rankings before their CCG, if they make it that far.
So, things continue to look better and better for future conference member Cincinnati.
SEC: With Kentucky and Ole Miss losing, this now leaves Alabama and Georgia as the only mathematically possible teams to make the playoffs from the SEC.
If Auburn wins out they are in the playoffs.
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poor cincinaggy
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I was doing a semi-countdown in the realignment thread, so I'll just move it over here.
Last week
SEC: Alabama took care of business with Tennessee and Georgia had the weekend off. These are the only two realistic possibilities.
big 10: Penn State dropped one they shouldn't have, and is now likely all out of the hunt. Michigan, Michigan St, and Ohio State all still control their own destiny. Iowa still technically in it, but will need help.
Pac: ...
Big XII: Gundy gonna Gundy. BlowU is the only realistic possibility now. Okie Light and Baylor still technically in it, but will need help to climb back into the conversation.
Coastal lost their mid-week game too, so the only other teams left are ND and Wake Forest (who hung 70 on Army btw). Oregon is still technically there, but isn't doing anything to impress the committee and could easily be jumped by ND and WF in the rankings before their CCG, if they make it that far.
So, things continue to look better and better for future conference member Cincinnati.
SEC: With Kentucky and Ole Miss losing, this now leaves Alabama and Georgia as the only mathematically possible teams to make the playoffs from the SEC.
If Auburn wins out they are in the playoffs.
I also don't know why Oregon is out of consideration.
Any 1 loss P5 champ/Notre Dame is in good shape. 1 loss P5 non-champ is still possible. 0 loss G5 (Cincy) has a shot. Potentially a 2 loss SEC or longshot 2 loss B10 if we can't get to 4 with the rest.
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I was doing a semi-countdown in the realignment thread, so I'll just move it over here.
Last week
SEC: Alabama took care of business with Tennessee and Georgia had the weekend off. These are the only two realistic possibilities.
big 10: Penn State dropped one they shouldn't have, and is now likely all out of the hunt. Michigan, Michigan St, and Ohio State all still control their own destiny. Iowa still technically in it, but will need help.
Pac: ...
Big XII: Gundy gonna Gundy. BlowU is the only realistic possibility now. Okie Light and Baylor still technically in it, but will need help to climb back into the conversation.
Coastal lost their mid-week game too, so the only other teams left are ND and Wake Forest (who hung 70 on Army btw). Oregon is still technically there, but isn't doing anything to impress the committee and could easily be jumped by ND and WF in the rankings before their CCG, if they make it that far.
So, things continue to look better and better for future conference member Cincinnati.
SEC: With Kentucky and Ole Miss losing, this now leaves Alabama and Georgia as the only mathematically possible teams to make the playoffs from the SEC.
If Auburn wins out they are in the playoffs.
I also don't know why Oregon is out of consideration.
Any 1 loss P5 champ/Notre Dame is in good shape. 1 loss P5 non-champ is still possible. 0 loss G5 (Cincy) has a shot. Potentially a 2 loss SEC or longshot 2 loss B10 if we can't get to 4 with the rest.
So, I explained this in the other thread, but the playoff committee has never picked a 2 loss team to be in the playoffs... ever. Auburn has lost to Penn State and Georgia already. The committee has been willing to leave out 1 loss conference champions before, so I don't see them taking a 2 loss Auburn to the playoffs, especially since they haven't been blowing anyone out.
Oregon is out simply because there are much better teams ahead of them, and their strength of schedule isn't going to allow them to climb back into the picture without teams ahead of them losing.
My method of 'rankings' is simply based on the known history of the committee. There are still a lot of possibilities that remain, true, but based on what we know of the teams left, as well as who has traditionally been picked, I stand by my list.
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The SEC champion will never be left out.
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Alabama beating Georgia in the SEC championship would be game over for Cincinnati. If two SEC teams get in its good night for them I think. Have to think tOSU is the rep from big 10 and OU finishes it out and reps the big 12.
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Alabama beating Georgia in the SEC championship would be game over for Cincinnati. If two SEC teams get in its good night for them I think. Have to think tOSU is the rep from big 10 and OU finishes it out and reps the big 12
I think undefeated Cincinnati will get selected over undefeated Oklahoma. Cincinnati will have the better win of the two, in fact Cincinnati will have the second best non con win in all of college football. Oklahoma wont have any fantastic conference wins, just some good ones and you will be able to say the same about Cincinnati. Cincinnati will be ahead of OU with three games left against SMU and Houston. While OU has a good schedule left, I think Cincinnati has a good enough schedule to hold them off.
I also think this iteration of the committee will select both OU and Cincinnati over a one loss Big 10 team or possibly even a 1 loss SEC runner-up.
The SEC schools will have a bit of a problem this year and it's that the conference appears to be bang average this year. When auburn and kentucky lose again they will either fall out of the top 25 or will be at the bottom of it. Georgia will enter the SEC championship with no win as good as Cincinnati or possibly Oklahoma. Alabama might have a win as good as OU headed to the SEC Championship if Ole Miss can hold on. Mississippi's schedule is really bad to close out the year with the exception of the A&M game, which either way will result in Alabama losing another quality win. In other words this is the worst the SEC has been in the CFP era and them getting two teams is far from a layup.
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So, I explained this in the other thread, but the playoff committee has never picked a 2 loss team to be in the playoffs... ever. Auburn has lost to Penn State and Georgia already. The committee has been willing to leave out 1 loss conference champions before, so I don't see them taking a 2 loss Auburn to the playoffs, especially since they haven't been blowing anyone out.
Oregon is out simply because there are much better teams ahead of them, and their strength of schedule isn't going to allow them to climb back into the picture without teams ahead of them losing.
My method of 'rankings' is simply based on the known history of the committee. There are still a lot of possibilities that remain, true, but based on what we know of the teams left, as well as who has traditionally been picked, I stand by my list.
A two loss team would be a first but not an impossibility, IMO, with where we sit now. Auburn would be adding wins against the #1, #3, and #13 teams in the country as well as be the SEC champion. They would also have a head-to-head against a 2 loss Bama. I don't expect winning out to happen but there are plenty of scenarios where they could get in with that.
Oregon will have plenty of teams in front of them lose and will likely be fine if they win out. They're 7 in the AP and there will be at least two head-to-head games against teams currently ahead of them.
I don't expect Auburn or Oregon to win out but I think they'll be in if they do.
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Here's Spencer Hall on Cincinnati. I totally agree with the sentiment until proven otherwise.
Cincinnati received a #2 ranking nationally. This may seem like a boon to their playoff hopes, but remember how buoyancy works in polls for teams off the list of usual suspects. A team like Alabama rises back into the top five two weeks after a disappointing loss. A team like Cincinnati or their predecessor, early to mid 2010s Boise State, rises to #2 as a recognition of good work before being leapfrogged in November by major conference powers winning big games.
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Here's Spencer Hall on Cincinnati. I totally agree with the sentiment until proven otherwise.
Cincinnati received a #2 ranking nationally. This may seem like a boon to their playoff hopes, but remember how buoyancy works in polls for teams off the list of usual suspects. A team like Alabama rises back into the top five two weeks after a disappointing loss. A team like Cincinnati or their predecessor, early to mid 2010s Boise State, rises to #2 as a recognition of good work before being leapfrogged in November by major conference powers winning big games.
That Boise team still was in the position to make a 4 team playoff, if it had existed, until they lost their regular season finale to Collin Kapernick and Nevada. That was the night before we had that awful game at North Texas.
The 2010 Boise team was the only Boise team that was a Cincinnati comp and they absolutely would have finished top 4.
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Here's Spencer Hall on the playoff committee. Again, I agree with the sentiment until proven otherwise.
a group of college sports administrators decide all this: Not because they are experts at football, but because they represent a kind of shabby, busted Voltron of expertise in the business of college sports
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The committee makes television, and introducing new characters like Cincinnati this late in the game represents a serious risk of valuable air time better devoted to known quantities like, say, Notre Dame. Notre Dame will get ratings even when they put up three points in sixty minutes, both because they do still hold sway over a devoted fanbase, but also because yelling “HEY NOTRE DAME IS GETTIN’ THEIR ASS BEAT BEHIND THE QUIKTRIP'' still sends the neighbors running to the scene like little else.
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Alabama beating Georgia in the SEC championship would be game over for Cincinnati. If two SEC teams get in its good night for them I think. Have to think tOSU is the rep from big 10 and OU finishes it out and reps the big 12
I think undefeated Cincinnati will get selected over undefeated Oklahoma. Cincinnati will have the better win of the two, in fact Cincinnati will have the second best non con win in all of college football. Oklahoma wont have any fantastic conference wins, just some good ones and you will be able to say the same about Cincinnati. Cincinnati will be ahead of OU with three games left against SMU and Houston. While OU has a good schedule left, I think Cincinnati has a good enough schedule to hold them off.
I also think this iteration of the committee will select both OU and Cincinnati over a one loss Big 10 team or possibly even a 1 loss SEC runner-up.
The SEC schools will have a bit of a problem this year and it's that the conference appears to be bang average this year. When auburn and kentucky lose again they will either fall out of the top 25 or will be at the bottom of it. Georgia will enter the SEC championship with no win as good as Cincinnati or possibly Oklahoma. Alabama might have a win as good as OU headed to the SEC Championship if Ole Miss can hold on. Mississippi's schedule is really bad to close out the year with the exception of the A&M game, which either way will result in Alabama losing another quality win. In other words this is the worst the SEC has been in the CFP era and them getting two teams is far from a layup.
I agree 100% w/ the SEC part. Georgia is running circles around the rest of the conference and I don't think the closest 2nd would get in over an undefeated OU in Cincy - unless of course Georgia agrees to roll over in the CCG because i can't imagine them losing that game would knock them out of the top 4.
I don't know if I agree w/ your take on an undefeated Cincy getting in over an undefeated OU. I agree that their win against ND is a better win than OUs best win - which in this undefeated scenario would either be osu or baylor, twice - but i think they are otherwise evenly enough matched that the committee would defer to whichever team had the better SOS. At the moment OU has a better SOS than Cincy and of their remaining 4 games, 3 of them are against turds and 1 is against a barely clinging to quality rank SMU. And OU has road games at baylor and okst, so i would imagine those SOS rankings would diverge a bit.
Also fwiw I'm not sure which is the go-to standard for determining SoS but every metric i was able to find online all showed OU playing a tougher schedule.
FTR i think both and undefeated Cincy and OU would deserve to be in the playoff, but i think thats only possible if a) OSU loses another game and b) Georgia wins the SEC championship game
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Prediction for the first rankings from the Playoff Committee:
1. Georgia
2. Mich. St
3. Alabama
4. Cincy
5. Dirt burglars
6. tOSU
Results 11/2/21
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Mich St
4. :facepalm: Oregon :facepalm:
5. tOSU
6. Cincy (they are not getting in)
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Oregon? Are you shitting my dick right now?
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Man I couldn't be any more wrong about Cincinnati and the committee. I can't even believe how awful this first poll was. They have zero shot of getting in. They'd take Notre Dame before they take Cincinnati.
Alabama hasn't done jack crap, and won't until the CCG. Does your resume actually not matter for anything?
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Wowza….
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Gene gets on the committee and the thing goes to crap.
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Gene gets on the committee and the thing goes to crap.
Maybe he's doing the right thing and working to keep OU out! :Woot:
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Holy hat!
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Gene gets on the committee and the thing goes to crap.
Maybe he's doing the right thing and working to keep OU out! :Woot:
We need that playoff money bruh!
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I thought that Alabama would have to win the SEC to get in but now I'm not so sure if a few dominating wins and a close loss to UGA is enough for it to happen. Might need a couple of other things to fall but damn?!
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What a garbage system. I'm now trying to think what is worse, CFP with a committee or the BCS.
Until we get to the day of P5 confy champs getting an auto bid + 1 G5 autobid this crap is constantly going to happen, woof
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I'm more pissed about Alabama at 2 than anything else, it makes zero sense unless the eye test matters and nothing else does. But we know they aren't using the eye test because Oregon.
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SEC is getting two, it’s virtually assured now.
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What a garbage system. I'm now trying to think what is worse, CFP with a committee or the BCS.
Without a doubt the CFP committee is worse. The BCS was a formula, that for the most part everybody knew went into it. Sure there was some subjectivity from the coaches, but it's spread out and not in the hands of just a few knuckleheads.
The best would just be a single formula like Chernobyl where everyone knew exactly how it was calculated.
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Chernobyl has an Auburn easter egg buried in it but other than that I agree
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an yes. like the sands through an hourglass, here come the CFP antagonists, all of whom think they know more about it all than the professionals.
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an yes. like the sands through an hourglass, here come the CFP antagonists, all of whom think they know more about it all than the professionals.
I know this is TIC but two weeks ago Gene was on Wildcat Insider saying he hadn't "started watching games yet" in the context of his work on the cfp. They don't mandate that they start watching games until the end of October. He also said the committee assigns each member a group of teams.
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What a garbage system. I'm now trying to think what is worse, CFP with a committee or the BCS.
Without a doubt the CFP committee is worse. The BCS was a formula, that for the most part everybody knew went into it. Sure there was some subjectivity from the coaches, but it's spread out and not in the hands of just a few knuckleheads.
The best would just be a single formula like Chernobyl where everyone knew exactly how it was calculated.
Agree. Plus, the BCS didn't seem to devalue the rest of the bowls like the CFP has.
Found the following tweet comparing what the BCS would say. Surprised there isn't a BCS emulator site out there.
https://twitter.com/BCSKnowHow/status/1455678809932447744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1455678809932447744%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ffansided.com%2F2021%2F11%2F02%2Fcfp-rankings-2021-bcs-rank-teams%2F
For comparison, here is a link to the Massey Composite (https://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm), which is my goto for cfb rankings (outside of ChERNOBYL). They are a bit wonky so far this season.
Massey Composite:
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Ohio St
4. Michigan
5. Cincy
6. Mich St
7. OU
8. ND
9. Wake Forest
10. Oklahoma St.
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Man I couldn't be any more wrong about Cincinnati and the committee. I can't even believe how awful this first poll was. They have zero shot of getting in. They'd take Notre Dame before they take Cincinnati.
Alabama hasn't done jack crap, and won't until the CCG. Does your resume actually not matter for anything?
The resumes matter, but only to the extent that committee members need to justify themselves picking the wrong programs to be in the playoffs.
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I was playing around with what it would look like if the new system gets approved as proposed (Top 6 League champs + 6 at large)
Note: Assumed new conference alignments and highest rank team in conference as their champion.
First round location is in ()
Champs
SEC - Georgia (Bye)
B10 - Mich. St (Bye)
Pac - Oregon (Bye)
NB12 - Cincy (Home)
ACC - Wake (Away)
MW - Fresno St (Away)
At Large
Alabama (Bye)
tOSU (Home)
Mich (Home)
Sooners (Home)
ND (Away)
Ok St (Away)
Conference breakdown
B10 - 3
SEC - 3
NB12 - 2
ACC - 1
PAC - 1
MW - 1
Ind - 1
A couple of thoughts:
- First round byes should go to top 4 conference champs not top 4.
- With the Big 12 taking the top 4 (maybe more) G5 teams there may be some years where the 6th league champ isn't in the top 25. I could even happen to the PAC if Oregon were to lose their title game
- New Big 12 seems to still be in Top 3 of conferences (Baylor is first out of a 12 team playoff right now and BYU is 4th out)
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Tournament of champions: Each P5 and G5 champion + 2 At Large
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Tournament of champions: Each P5 and G5 champion + 2 At Large
That would be a lot of fun.
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The efforts to fix the college football national championship problem (?) of the early 90’s have really mumped up a lot of college football.
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Yeah. This year's Cincinnati team would have a decent shot at playing for a championship if everything worked the way things did in the 90s. You would probably have to reduce media coverage to what it was then, too, though.
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The efforts to fix the college football national championship problem (?) of the early 90’s have really mumped up a lot of college football.
Very much. I find it fascinating that ESPN and its reporters have been there all along, helping to push the idea that the college football post season needs to be fixed. And all the while, ESPN continues to make more and more money from each iteration.
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What a complete and total joke. There's still a lot of football left to be played, and so things may work out how they should, but that playoff poll is total trash as it's currently written.
Maybe all the remaining conferences minus the e$ECpn should ban together for their own post season. Hell, the Rose Bowl use to do it. Straight up tell the CFP committee and this clearly biased TV crap that they can just play with themselves and their pro SEC mindset after December.
If Cincy runs the tables we're going to have two co-champions again, just like 2017.
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I was playing around with what it would look like if the new system gets approved as proposed (Top 6 League champs + 6 at large)
Note: Assumed new conference alignments and highest rank team in conference as their champion.
First round location is in ()
Champs
SEC - Georgia (Bye)
B10 - Mich. St (Bye)
Pac - Oregon (Bye)
NB12 - Cincy (Home)
ACC - Wake (Away)
MW - Fresno St (Away)
At Large
Alabama (Bye)
tOSU (Home)
Mich (Home)
Sooners (Home)
ND (Away)
Ok St (Away)
Conference breakdown
B10 - 3
SEC - 3
NB12 - 2
ACC - 1
PAC - 1
MW - 1
Ind - 1
A couple of thoughts:
- First round byes should go to top 4 conference champs not top 4.
- With the Big 12 taking the top 4 (maybe more) G5 teams there may be some years where the 6th league champ isn't in the top 25. I could even happen to the PAC if Oregon were to lose their title game
- New Big 12 seems to still be in Top 3 of conferences (Baylor is first out of a 12 team playoff right now and BYU is 4th out)
I like this, but don’t see a reason to limit it to 6 conf champs. It’s FBS football. If you’re an FBS conf champ you should be in w/ no questions asked.
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Tournament of champions: Each P5 and G5 champion + 2 At Large
That would be a lot of fun.
Yep.
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Tournament of champions: Each P5 and G5 champion + 2 At Large
That would be a lot of fun.
It's pretty much what needs to happen. Honestly the more polls that come out like yesterday the more the CFP will slide down the viewership scale. No one likes sameness, people want variety and a shot. Bama could very well actually be the #2 or the best team, but if teams like Cincy this year (or UCF, or other teams prior in the BCS era) don't even get a shot, a seat at the table, then why even play the games? People don't watch the NCAA tourny because they want to see the blue bloods win, they want to see if they'll lose, who is the Cinderella story, who is going to actually pull it all together. Do the top teams often win? Of course, but you can't tell me UMBC's win over UVA wasn't magical, or what the people crave.
The way it's set up right now would be like if you had a track and field 100m dash from 10 different tracks all across the US and just picked 4 fastest guys to be the fastest by looking at their times, but like, only looking at the seconds, and not tenths/hundredths digits, and then saying no no, any of the other guys who ran a 9.XX second race (how can we know!) aren't good enough to be raced against the others, because I saw those 4 guys over there run a 9.XX and they looked really good to me.
The efforts to fix the college football national championship problem (?) of the early 90’s have really mumped up a lot of college football.
Very much. I find it fascinating that ESPN and its reporters have been there all along, helping to push the idea that the college football post season needs to be fixed. And all the while, ESPN continues to make more and more money from each iteration.
In general yes, but I remember plenty of talking heads prior to this playoff on ESPN saying that the season was the playoff, so why even have one. ESPN def stands to gain from it, but I truly think they are starting to realize the playoff has been a giant bust so far, and are trying to bail themselves out of it, while at the same time influencing it to have been this way the whole time. ESPN has had a huge hand in ruining CFB.
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https://twitter.com/NoEscalators/status/1455679769329250307
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I saw someone said last night that the CFP would be like the MLB playing a regular season, and the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers would be selected to play in the championship games every single season, no matter their regular season record or if they finished 2nd or 3rd or 4th in their division/league. And it was pretty spot on.
It's all about the brand.
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Yup
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The efforts to fix the college football national championship problem (?) of the early 90’s have really mumped up a lot of college football.
You said it. But was it inevitable? With tv (now streaming) access and money expanding exponentially, the old regional way w/ all the bowl tie-ins, and a beauty pageant for the “national championship” at the end seems pretty hard to hold on to.
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Tournament of champions: Each P5 and G5 champion + 2 At Large
SEC - Georgia
B10 - Mich St
PAC - Oregon
NB12 - Cincy
ACC - Wake
AAC - SMU
C-USA - UTSA
Mid Amer. - Northern Illinois
Mountain West - Fresno State
Sun Belt - Louisiana
At large - Alabama
At large - tOSU
That really doesn't get many good games. I like the Top 6 League champs plus 6 at large better. I would, however, eliminate this stupid committee and go back to the BCS rankings.
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Tournament of champions: Each P5 and G5 champion + 2 At Large
SEC - Georgia
B10 - Mich St
PAC - Oregon
NB12 - Cincy
ACC - Wake
AAC - SMU
C-USA - UTSA
Mid Amer. - Northern Illinois
Mountain West - Fresno State
Sun Belt - Louisiana
At large - Alabama
At large - tOSU
That really doesn't get many good games. I like the Top 6 League champs plus 6 at large better. I would, however, eliminate this stupid committee and go back to the BCS rankings.
These games would probably be a lot better than you expect them to be. Sort of like the 4/13 round of the NCAA tournament. A few snoozers and couple of really fun games.
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Tournament of champions: Each P5 and G5 champion + 2 At Large
I like the Top 6 League champs plus 6 at large better. I would, however, eliminate this stupid committee and go back to the BCS rankings.
Yes, but the original BCS, not the later, modified one where they gave the coaches poll more weight than they should have just because of the "eye test".
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I think we should go back to bowl games and no national championship game.
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Tournament of champions: Each P5 and G5 champion + 2 At Large
SEC - Georgia
B10 - Mich St
PAC - Oregon
NB12 - Cincy
ACC - Wake
AAC - SMU
C-USA - UTSA
Mid Amer. - Northern Illinois
Mountain West - Fresno State
Sun Belt - Louisiana
At large - Alabama
At large - tOSU
That really doesn't get many good games. I like the Top 6 League champs plus 6 at large better. I would, however, eliminate this stupid committee and go back to the BCS rankings.
These games would probably be a lot better than you expect them to be. Sort of like the 4/13 round of the NCAA tournament. A few snoozers and couple of really fun games.
Seeds 1-4 guaranteed second round home games.
Seeds 5-12 play each other in opening round.
That way seeds 1-8 get at least one home game.
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I think we should go back to bowl games and no national championship game.
Of course. There's too many teams and too few games to have any sort of fair season/playoff/championship.
And with the move back, have all teams go back to their conferences from back then.
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Making it a near tournament of champions w/ two at-large also dissuades the type of
Conference realignment we’ve been seeing increase since the 90s
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It's absolutely ridiculous how every other sport and every other level has figured this out except D1 NCAA Football.
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https://twitter.com/dannykanell/status/1455672150342488068?s=20
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Making it a near tournament of champions w/ two at-large also dissuades the type of
Conference realignment we’ve been seeing increase since the 90s
No it doesn't. Realignment is driven by TV contracts for regular-season games and small penis syndrome (Aggie, Huskers) etc.
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That’s true at face value, but conference games have more draw when there is something meaningful at stake.
FBS college football is kind of a unique creature. I can’t easily think of any other sports league where there is as big of a disparity between the biggest and smallest cash generators. So most systems don’t have to directly address whether they should prioritize the best teams or the biggest draws in their playoffs.
So far it’s been clear that the FBS has gone with the bigger draws, while tying itself in knots pretending it’s choosing the best teams.
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https://twitter.com/dannykanell/status/1455672150342488068?s=20
This is per ESPN wishes. They want as many viewers as possible and are afraid to put a small named school in the CFP and lose money. That's why ESPN needs to lose their domination of the CFP and bring in other Networks. The ten conference champions and two at large would be great. It would make every game count in every conference, since the regular season would lead up to qualifying for the CFP with the CCG. Also the two at large would be very competitive, like this year one would be the loser of the SEC CCG and maybe the loser of the BIG CCG.
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I agree completely, but ESPN is not going to willfully give up control/money over NCAA FB. They're going to make someone force them to give it up.
Wow, lots of games played yesterday that affected the playoff picture. Yesterday is a prime example of why you don't get upset about midseason rankings and placements when there's still so much football left to be played.
SEC: Alabama and Georgia are it. No other team, even if they run the table, is making it in.
big 10: Michigan State couldn't bear the burden of being in control of its own destiny and dropped an ugly loss to Purdue. Minnesota also lost to Illinois so that eliminates their outside shot as well. The big 10 is now only going to be sending 1 to the playoff for sure and it will either be Ohio State, Michigan, or Michigan State.
Big XII: Oklahoma is basically it with an outside shot for OSU. Baylor lost to TCU so any prayer they had is now gone.
Pac: Oregon still technically in it, but still needing help.
ACC: Wake Forest lost to North Carolina so their dream of coming in and causing problems is gone.
All others: Tulsa gave Cincinnati quite a scare, but Cincy held on 8 times at the goal line to get the win. It's only ND left otherwise, and they need help.
So Alabama/Georgia, OhioSt/Mich/MichSt, OU/OSU, and Cincy is how things are currently looking. Er'body else needs help getting in.
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Yesterday is a prime example of why you don't get upset about midseason rankings and placements when there's still so much football left to be played.
That is a horrible ESPN talking point. The reason to be upset by the midseason rankings is that it shows how poor and biased the committee thinking about these teams is at the time of the rankings. Purdue upsetting Mich St opening a door for Cincy does not bail out the committee for underrating Cincy.
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I agree completely, but ESPN is not going to willfully give up control/money over NCAA FB. They're going to make someone force them to give it up.
Wow, lots of games played yesterday that affected the playoff picture. Yesterday is a prime example of why you don't get upset about midseason rankings and placements when there's still so much football left to be played.
SEC: Alabama and Georgia are it. No other team, even if they run the table, is making it in.
big 10: Michigan State couldn't bear the burden of being in control of its own destiny and dropped an ugly loss to Purdue. Minnesota also lost to Illinois so that eliminates their outside shot as well. The big 10 is now only going to be sending 1 to the playoff for sure and it will either be Ohio State, Michigan, or Michigan State.
Big XII: Oklahoma is basically it with an outside shot for OSU. Baylor lost to TCU so any prayer they had is now gone.
Pac: Oregon still technically in it, but still needing help.
ACC: Wake Forest lost to North Carolina so their dream of coming in and causing problems is gone.
All others: Tulsa gave Cincinnati quite a scare, but Cincy held on 8 times at the goal line to get the win. It's only ND left otherwise, and they need help.
So Alabama/Georgia, OhioSt/Mich/MichSt, OU/OSU, and Cincy is how things are currently looking. Er'body else needs help getting in.
That's why the P5 conferences need to wait until ESPN's contract is over, which should be 2025. They are wanting to redo the CFP contract ahead of time so they can be exclusive in the negotiations of the new contract. The conferences want to wait so they can bid it out to other networks and include things like having the first round of games in the P5 stadiums vs Bowl stadiums. This would add additional money going to P5 conferences. Also, they could contract with multiple networks which could result in money close to what the NFL is getting.
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I’ll be interested to see how Disney handles ESPN in the next 5 to 10 years. There are a few articles out there speaking about Disney struggling to fully commit to ESPN because their business model is still heavy on the cable subscriber model. The short term is likely going to be espn+ hits something in the $10-$15 per month due to Disney wanting a more streaming focused platform.
But i really have no clue how it will affect the 2025 negotiations.
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I think there will be several networks and streaming services that will want in on the bidding for the 12 team champion of champions CFP.
IT'S RAINING MONEY!!!
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Fun fact: if Alabama and UGA both get in (which is extremely likely --- even with 2 loss Alabama), they'll almost assuredly won't play each in the first round.
Something tells me the non SEC world will be pulling for Auburn in the iron bowl.
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Michigan State is out. No reasonable scenario would put them in.
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Fun fact: if Alabama and UGA both get in (which is extremely likely --- even with 2 loss Alabama), they'll almost assuredly won't play each in the first round.
Something tells me the non SEC world will be pulling for Auburn in the iron bowl.
A 2 loss Alabama would need help to get in. Help in the form of every other team ahead of them sans Georgia (obviously) dropping a game they shouldn't. 2 loss Bama isn't getting in over undefeated Cincy, OU, or a 1 loss OSU/Ohio/Mich/Mich St/Oregon conference champion. Hell, even ND at that point would be a challenge.
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Fun fact: if Alabama and UGA both get in (which is extremely likely --- even with 2 loss Alabama), they'll almost assuredly won't play each in the first round.
Something tells me the non SEC world will be pulling for Auburn in the iron bowl.
A 2 loss Alabama would need help to get in. Help in the form of every other team ahead of them sans Georgia (obviously) dropping a game they shouldn't. 2 loss Bama isn't getting in over undefeated Cincy, OU, or a 1 loss OSU/Ohio/Mich/Mich St/Oregon conference champion. Hell, even ND at that point would be a challenge.
Mich St being a 1 loss team is statistically impossible.
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Fun fact: if Alabama and UGA both get in (which is extremely likely --- even with 2 loss Alabama), they'll almost assuredly won't play each in the first round.
Something tells me the non SEC world will be pulling for Auburn in the iron bowl.
A 2 loss Alabama would need help to get in. Help in the form of every other team ahead of them sans Georgia (obviously) dropping a game they shouldn't. 2 loss Bama isn't getting in over undefeated Cincy, OU, or a 1 loss OSU/Ohio/Mich/Mich St/Oregon conference champion. Hell, even ND at that point would be a challenge.
Mich St being a 1 loss team is statistically impossible.
:confused:
Unless you have a reason for it being impossible for them to win their next 3, and then subsequently 4th, it is absolutely possible.
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More Cincinnati nightmare fuel: Auburn wins the iron bowl and A&M wins out (including the SEC championship game). No way both A&M and Georgia aren't both in.
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Fun fact: if Alabama and UGA both get in (which is extremely likely --- even with 2 loss Alabama), they'll almost assuredly won't play each in the first round.
Something tells me the non SEC world will be pulling for Auburn in the iron bowl.
A 2 loss Alabama would need help to get in. Help in the form of every other team ahead of them sans Georgia (obviously) dropping a game they shouldn't. 2 loss Bama isn't getting in over undefeated Cincy, OU, or a 1 loss OSU/Ohio/Mich/Mich St/Oregon conference champion. Hell, even ND at that point would be a challenge.
Mich St being a 1 loss team is statistically impossible.
:confused:
Unless you have a reason for it being impossible for them to win their next 3, and then subsequently 4th, it is absolutely possible.
i'm smoking drugs and got confused. i redact my previous assertion.
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Fun fact: if Alabama and UGA both get in (which is extremely likely --- even with 2 loss Alabama), they'll almost assuredly won't play each in the first round.
Something tells me the non SEC world will be pulling for Auburn in the iron bowl.
A 2 loss Alabama would need help to get in. Help in the form of every other team ahead of them sans Georgia (obviously) dropping a game they shouldn't. 2 loss Bama isn't getting in over undefeated Cincy, OU, or a 1 loss OSU/Ohio/Mich/Mich St/Oregon conference champion. Hell, even ND at that point would be a challenge.
Alabama wins outs and loses to Georgia on a last second field goal in the SEC championship. Why on earth would the committee drop them out of the top 4? The committee picks what they think are the BEST 4 teams. Not the MOST DESERVING 4 teams.
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Fun fact: if Alabama and UGA both get in (which is extremely likely --- even with 2 loss Alabama), they'll almost assuredly won't play each in the first round.
Something tells me the non SEC world will be pulling for Auburn in the iron bowl.
A 2 loss Alabama would need help to get in. Help in the form of every other team ahead of them sans Georgia (obviously) dropping a game they shouldn't. 2 loss Bama isn't getting in over undefeated Cincy, OU, or a 1 loss OSU/Ohio/Mich/Mich St/Oregon conference champion. Hell, even ND at that point would be a challenge.
Alabama wins outs and loses to Georgia on a last second field goal in the SEC championship. Why on earth would the committee drop them out of the top 4? The committee picks what they think are the BEST 4 teams. Not the MOST DESERVING 4 teams.
Because Bama has not looked dominant like in years past. They dropped the game at A&M, they struggled with Tennessee for 3 quarters, barely eeked by LSU.
We'll see if they can make it to the SEC CG without losing another, but assuming there's no collapse of the other teams that would be ahead of them, they're going to have to beat Georgia to get in.
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Fun fact: if Alabama and UGA both get in (which is extremely likely --- even with 2 loss Alabama), they'll almost assuredly won't play each in the first round.
Something tells me the non SEC world will be pulling for Auburn in the iron bowl.
A 2 loss Alabama would need help to get in. Help in the form of every other team ahead of them sans Georgia (obviously) dropping a game they shouldn't. 2 loss Bama isn't getting in over undefeated Cincy, OU, or a 1 loss OSU/Ohio/Mich/Mich St/Oregon conference champion. Hell, even ND at that point would be a challenge.
Alabama wins outs and loses to Georgia on a last second field goal in the SEC championship. Why on earth would the committee drop them out of the top 4? The committee picks what they think are the BEST 4 teams. Not the MOST DESERVING 4 teams.
Because Bama has not looked dominant like in years past. They dropped the game at A&M, they struggled with Tennessee for 3 quarters, barely eeked by LSU.
We'll see if they can make it to the SEC CG without losing another, but assuming there's no collapse of the other teams that would be ahead of them, they're going to have to beat Georgia to get in.
Oh, they'll make it without another loss, which should be accounted in the equation. Their normally over inflated schedule is not even that this year, it's completely ordinary.
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Fun fact: if Alabama and UGA both get in (which is extremely likely --- even with 2 loss Alabama), they'll almost assuredly won't play each in the first round.
Something tells me the non SEC world will be pulling for Auburn in the iron bowl.
A 2 loss Alabama would need help to get in. Help in the form of every other team ahead of them sans Georgia (obviously) dropping a game they shouldn't. 2 loss Bama isn't getting in over undefeated Cincy, OU, or a 1 loss OSU/Ohio/Mich/Mich St/Oregon conference champion. Hell, even ND at that point would be a challenge.
Alabama wins outs and loses to Georgia on a last second field goal in the SEC championship. Why on earth would the committee drop them out of the top 4? The committee picks what they think are the BEST 4 teams. Not the MOST DESERVING 4 teams.
Because Bama has not looked dominant like in years past. They dropped the game at A&M, they struggled with Tennessee for 3 quarters, barely eeked by LSU.
We'll see if they can make it to the SEC CG without losing another, but assuming there's no collapse of the other teams that would be ahead of them, they're going to have to beat Georgia to get in.
2 loss bama gets in if it’s close against Georgia IMO
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More Cincinnati nightmare fuel: Auburn wins the iron bowl and A&M wins out (including the SEC championship game). No way both A&M and Georgia aren't both in.
The thought of A&M making it to the CFP makes me physically sick.
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Michigan/Michigan State, lol, this committee is something else. Neither of them deserve to be in the top 7 particularly Michigan, but how in good conscious do you just ignore a game played 9 damn
games days ago?
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Michigan/Michigan State, lol, this committee is something else. Neither of them deserve to be in the top 7 particularly Michigan, but how in good conscious do you just ignore a game played 9 damn games ago?
The committee: it’s simple, Michigan’s loss is better than Michigan State’s, H2H does not matter.
Seconds later….
Oregon beat Ohio State H2H so we’re going to put them ahead. We know what we’re doing.
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Holy moly what a mess
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Is Gene part of the problem or just afraid to fight for better rankings? Either way, I like him less knowing he’s involved in this sham.
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I have honestly never really cared about the CFP (obviously because we've never been in the conversation) but I have thought way too much about it since last night. There is just too much fuckery here.
The Cincy and OU rankings, the Oregon/OSU and Michigan/Michigan ST thing. Something isn't right.
What if the committee/ESPN is basically saying, hey OU, if you were in the SEC you'd be in, but you're not so you're OUT. Hurry up and get to the SEC like next year so we can do more crap and start to ignore any format changes that would include auto bids or something. Or are they rough ridin' it up so bad they want it to change to auto-bids soon? IDK. It's a complete garbage system as is.
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I have honestly never really cared about the CFP (obviously because we've never been in the conversation) but I have thought way too much about it since last night. There is just too much fuckery here.
The Cincy and OU rankings, the Oregon/OSU and Michigan/Michigan ST thing. Something isn't right.
What if the committee/ESPN is basically saying, hey OU, if you were in the SEC you'd be in, but you're not so you're OUT. Hurry up and get to the SEC like next year so we can do more crap and start to ignore any format changes that would include auto bids or something. Or are they rough ridin' it up so bad they want it to change to auto-bids soon? IDK. It's a complete garbage system as is.
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I still don't like how Bama is as high but, I would take a BCS ranking for the seeding again, I still just wish though in addition to a ranking that winning your conference mattered. because it should
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I think OU is getting shafted as they have no real advocates in the room. The SEC representative won't care until they join and Gene/the Big 12 shouldn't give a eff about them either.
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I would actually watch this.
https://twitter.com/redditcfb/status/1458571730843176960
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Is Gene part of the problem or just afraid to fight for better rankings? Either way, I like him less knowing he’s involved in this sham.
Oh I’m just the opposite. I’m convinced Gene is pulling strings on the inside to get the committee to come up with consistently nonsensical rankings so that people overwhelmingly demand an 8 or 12 team playoff, which both gives the Cats a realistic shot at the playoffs and could solidify the Big 12 as a power conference with an autobid.
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Gene is doing what any AD would do in his position. They all have the same mentality.
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I would actually watch this.
https://twitter.com/redditcfb/status/1458571730843176960
Except most years this would include 4 or 5 SEC teams, not 3. Need to stay far away from 12 playoff teams for the Big 12 to remain relevant.
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I would actually watch this.
https://twitter.com/redditcfb/status/1458571730843176960
Except most years this would include 4 or 5 SEC teams, not 3. Need to stay far away from 12 playoff teams for the Big 12 to remain relevant.
Quick glance shows the previous 6 years of the CFP, in this format the SEC would average having 3 per season. The previous 4 having 4, and only one season ever you could maybe try to make an argument for 5.
I'd say having representation from all conferences and 3 or 4 SEC teams is still a hell of a lot better than what they're doing now.
If those SEC teams don't advance in the playoffs every year, I could see the rankings dropping them in the years after (this may be a stretch, but still). If the SEC teams in the playoffs dominate the playoffs, they should rightfully be highly valued in rankings each year.
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I would actually watch this.
https://twitter.com/redditcfb/status/1458571730843176960
Except most years this would include 4 or 5 SEC teams, not 3. Need to stay far away from 12 playoff teams for the Big 12 to remain relevant.
Quick glance shows the previous 6 years of the CFP, in this format the SEC would average having 3 per season. The previous 4 having 4, and only one season ever you could maybe try to make an argument for 5.
I'd say having representation from all conferences and 3 or 4 SEC teams is still a hell of a lot better than what they're doing now.
If those SEC teams don't advance in the playoffs every year, I could see the rankings dropping them in the years after (this may be a stretch, but still). If the SEC teams in the playoffs dominate the playoffs, they should rightfully be highly valued in rankings each year.
This will change with a restructured, 16-team SEC. Should set them up nicely to have 4 in a 12-team playoff every year. PAC, Big 12, and ACC will be lucky to get more than 1 team in, especially if ND stays competitive.
One loss Ohio St. squeaks by Nebraska and still gains a spot in the rankings, all the while undefeated OU and Cinci are behind them.
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Gene is doing what any AD would do in his position. They all have the same mentality.
Sit on their ass and collect fat checks until it's time to retire?
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This will change with a restructured, 16-team SEC. Should set them up nicely to have 4 in a 12-team playoff every year. PAC, Big 12, and ACC will be lucky to get more than 1 team in, especially if ND stays competitive.
One loss Ohio St. squeaks by Nebraska and still gains a spot in the rankings, all the while undefeated OU and Cinci are behind them.
This is a dumb year for the CFP.
The B12 would have had 2 teams in each year except for 2 (in the 12 team system). Including 3 teams in 2014 with you guessed it, YOUR K-STATE WILDCATS
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I think OU is getting shafted as they have no real advocates in the room. The SEC representative won't care until they join and Gene/the Big 12 shouldn't give a eff about them either.
No, gene should absolutely care about OU and the payout they would get for each conference member if they got it. It's exactly why each committee member with a school/conference affiliation is supposed to recuse themselves from the discussion about those teams.
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I still think a CFP of 10 conference champions with two of the highest ranked teams included would keep rough ridin' conferences like SEC and big 10 loading the playoff. Also it would take the mumped up rankings out of it and especially the group of dumb fucks that we all know is there for Disney's interest.
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Which is why it'll never happen
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P5 is never going to introduce a system that treats the G5 that close to equally.
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P5 is never going to introduce a system that treats the G5 that close to equally.
Not only that but a system that unreasonably penalizes really good P5 teams.
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P5 is never going to introduce a system that treats the G5 that close to equally.
Not only that but a system that unreasonably penalizes really good P5 teams.
10 Conf champs + 6 At large?
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Well well well, how the turn tables... - Micheal Scott
SEC: Alabama and Georgia are the only ones making it in. I still think Alabama needs to win out to make it in, but depending upon how their CCG goes, as well as others, they may be the first team to make it in with 2 losses. We'll see.
big 10: Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State mostly still control their own fate. Everything will be determined over the next three weekends. Win out, and you're likely in. Lose and you're done for sure.
Big XII: Oklahoma picked a bad time to drop a game. They and OSU may climb back into the conversation, but they're going to need help. Right now, the BigXII is on the outside looking in.
Pac: Oregon has done what it needed to, and just kept winning. That win over Ohio State keeps looking better and better, but that loss to Stanford... oof.
ACC: xxx
All others: Cincinnati still looking pretty. If they keep winning, then they should be in. ND is right there though, but will need someone else to lose to move up.
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Another week, another set of changes.
SEC: I'm now more certain than ever that Alabama must win out in order to make the playoffs. If they lose to Auburn or Georgia, I don't see them getting picked. They just aren't dominant like in years past.
big 10: Michigan State is out. Only Ohio State and Michigan remain with the deciding game occurring this weekend. Winner advances to championship game (which they must also win), loser is out of the picture.
Big XII: Oofff... a shot exists, but only one stands a chance of getting in between OU/OSU. Winner will be determined this weekend.
Pac: xxx Did no one tell Oregon they needed to win that game?!?! Pac is out
ACC: xxx Wake Forest's dream season has fallen apart quickly.
All others: Cincinnati put on a show again, and should be in, but ND stands ready to take that 4th spot should any of the others listed fall.
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Shooter Jones rankings as of today.
1. Georgia
2. Cinci
3. Ohio State
4. Bama
Make Georgia and Bama play round 1 to see who gets to rep the SEC, and Cinci/the OSU play to see who reps the state of lovers.
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What scenario does cinci get left out? Can OSU manhandle OU in bedlam and crap kick Baylor in the conference championship and leap frog them?
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What scenario does cinci get left out? Can OSU manhandle OU in bedlam and crap kick Baylor in the conference championship and leap frog them?
I'm just here for when Cincy does not win their next 2 games convincingly, and the committee puts Notre Dame above them saying they've "looked better" since they played each other.
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What scenario does cinci get left out? Can OSU manhandle OU in bedlam and crap kick Baylor in the conference championship and leap frog them?
I'm just here for when Cincy does not win their next 2 games convincingly, and the committee puts Notre Dame above them saying they've "looked better" since they played each other.
Yep, I can totally see a scenario where they justify ND getting in at 4 and they get curb stomped again. Rinse, repeat.
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It will be
Georgia
OSU
Bama
Cincinnati
Michigan
Notre Dame
Oklahoma State
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Nailed it :adored:
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Let's say Georgia beats Bama, Ohio State beats Michigan, and OSU wins their next 2.
Georgia, theOSU, Cinci, OSU? Right?
Or do they put Notre Dame at 4 with only 2 top 30 wins compared to 5 for Oklahoma State?
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Oklahoma State winning out gets them into the playoff imo, maybe even at expense of cincy
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Let's say Georgia beats Bama, Ohio State beats Michigan, and OSU wins their next 2.
Georgia, theOSU, Cinci, OSU? Right?
Or do they put Notre Dame at 4 with only 2 top 30 wins compared to 5 for Oklahoma State?
That is how I see it playing out. I don't think ND can get in without someone else losing. They've been good, but not dominant this season. Eeking by VT and Florida State doesn't help and most people knew what was on the line when they played Cincy earlier this year, and lost. The rest of their schedule just doesn't impress.
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I think Notre Dame would get in over OSU.
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Also... I'd watch* the crap out of a 1 v. 16 or 3 v. 12 playoff game w/ an undefeated UTSA in it this year.
*at least the first quarter until they're down 3 possessions*
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While I really really wish Bama got beat, rankings will most likely be the following this week.
1. Georgia
2. Bama
3 and 4. Michigan/Cincy.
5 and 6. Pistol Pete/Notre Dame
Georgia wins the SEC champ game, and OSU wins the B12, I think OSU gets in the 4 spot.
Obviously there's been a lot of shuffling the last few weeks, so it might just solve itself on the field this weekend.
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Cincinnati
4. Alabama
5. Oklahoma State
6. Notre Dame
7. Ole Miss
8. Ohio State
9. Baylor
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Cincinnati
4. Alabama
5. Oklahoma State
6. Notre Dame
7. Ole Miss
8. Ohio State
9. Baylor
If this is it it'll make me happy, it would mean (I hope) if bama loses and Okie State wins a playoff with UGA, Cincy, Okie St, and Michigan would finally feel like a breath a (mostly) fresh air for a playoff that has been just sucky as crap for years. No bama, no Clemson, no tOSU, drool
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Cincinnati
4. Alabama
5. Oklahoma State
6. Notre Dame
7. Ole Miss
8. Ohio State
9. Baylor
If this is it it'll make me happy, it would mean (I hope) if bama loses and Okie State wins a playoff with UGA, Cincy, Okie St, and Michigan would finally feel like a breath a (mostly) fresh air for a playoff that has been just sucky as crap for years. No bama, no Clemson, no tOSU, drool
I think at least two of Michigan, Cincinnati, Alabama, and/or Oklahoma State will lose on Saturday.
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Cincinnati
4. Alabama
5. Oklahoma State
6. Notre Dame
7. Ole Miss
8. Ohio State
9. Baylor
If this is it it'll make me happy, it would mean (I hope) if bama loses and Okie State wins a playoff with UGA, Cincy, Okie St, and Michigan would finally feel like a breath a (mostly) fresh air for a playoff that has been just sucky as crap for years. No bama, no Clemson, no tOSU, drool
I think at least two of Michigan, Cincinnati, Alabama, and/or Oklahoma State will lose on Saturday.
LMAO if it's Michigan and Alabama
It's 'almost' my glorious-evil-chaos-plan going into last weekend
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I'm rooting for Georgia, Cincy, Okie State, and Notre Dame. Two of the new B12 play each other in one game and Georgia starts by destroying ND.
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Big 10 getting left out and SEC only getting 1 in would be choice
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A Michigan loss this weekend really wouldn't be all that surprising.
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Big 10 getting left out and SEC only getting 1 in would be choice
I don't think I could contain myself how happy I'd be.
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Another week, a few more surprises. The picture is almost finished.
SEC: Unless Georgia falls apart in the conference championship game, they're the only team from the SEC making it in. Alabama could create a rough scenario if they beat them, but they don't look like the team to do it.
Big 10: Michigan is it. Harbaugh picked a hell of a year to finally beat the Ohio St curse, but they still must beat Iowa in the conf champ game to make it in.
Big XII: Thanks to others losing focus, Okie Light is sitting primed to secure the 3rd spot if they take care of Baylor this weekend.
Pac: xxx
ACC: xxx
Others: Cincy is ready to be the first G5 team to make it into the playoffs. All that stands between them and destiny is a top 25 matchup this weekend with Houston. ND is ready to take spot #4 though should any of the previously mentioned teams falter.
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Oklahoma State absolutely gets in over Notre Dame, zero doubt about it. ND has no top 25 wins, their schedule is worse than Houston's.
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Oklahoma State absolutely gets in over Notre Dame, zero doubt about it. ND has no top 25 wins, their schedule is worse than Houston's.
Notre Dame has a better loss than OSU.
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Michigan, Bama, and Ok St. could all lose and get ND in.
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Oklahoma State absolutely gets in over Notre Dame, zero doubt about it. ND has no top 25 wins, their schedule is worse than Houston's.
Notre Dame has a better loss than OSU.
You realize the wins are more important right?
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I think the helmet is most important.
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I'll bet you whatever you want that Oklahoma State will finish ahead of Notre Dame in the CFP on Sunday if they beat Baylor on Saturday
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I'll bet you whatever you want that Oklahoma State will finish ahead of Notre Dame in the CFP on Sunday if they beat Baylor on Saturday
Eating another hat?
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I'll bet you whatever you want that Oklahoma State will finish ahead of Notre Dame in the CFP on Sunday if they beat Baylor on Saturday
Eating another hat?
Proposing double or nothing?
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I'll bet you whatever you want that Oklahoma State will finish ahead of Notre Dame in the CFP on Sunday if they beat Baylor on Saturday
I would think they would make the jump this week if it's going to happen. I see it as 50/50. Don't trust the playoff committee at all.
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I'll bet you whatever you want that Oklahoma State will finish ahead of Notre Dame in the CFP on Sunday if they beat Baylor on Saturday
I would think they would make the jump this week if it's going to happen. I see it as 50/50. Don't trust the playoff committee at all.
Yeah, I was going to make that bet, but previous committees have placed heavy value on CCGs, so I could see a scenario in which they put OSU in a prove it again situation.
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The other wrinkle in everything is Chip Kelly bailing on the team. We haven't seen that scenario before.
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Of course I only mean in jest :D it was just kinda funny seeing it play out last night
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I'll bet you whatever you want that Oklahoma State will finish ahead of Notre Dame in the CFP on Sunday if they beat Baylor on Saturday
Eating another hat?
Proposing double or nothing?
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The other wrinkle in everything is Chip Kelly bailing on the team. We haven't seen that scenario before.
Wrong Kelly dude
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Oh, damn. :lol:
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I'll bet you whatever you want that Oklahoma State will finish ahead of Notre Dame in the CFP on Sunday if they beat Baylor on Saturday
I would think they would make the jump this week if it's going to happen. I see it as 50/50. Don't trust the playoff committee at all.
fwiw, these predictions for tonight's CFP committee rankings are posted on ncaa.com. it would be a shame if osu didn't jump ND tonight, since 1) they just beat OU and 2) ND's best win just lost to Minnesota
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame
6. Oklahoma State
7. Ohio State
8. Baylor
https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2021-11-27/college-football-playoff-rankings-predictions-michigan-enters-top-four-week-14 (https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2021-11-27/college-football-playoff-rankings-predictions-michigan-enters-top-four-week-14)
as far as next week's rankings go, i guess it depends on whether the committee cares about WHEN a team faces an opponent. if so, beating #8 Baylor on a neutral field would become osu's best win of the season (even though they already beat #21 Baylor at home)
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Georgia, Michigan, Alabama, Notre Dame is a TV exec wet dream
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Georgia, Michigan, Alabama, Notre Dame is a TV exec wet dream
I kind of want Bama to beat Georgia by 50 just for the internettin'.
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IT COULD HAPPEN
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PHEW!
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Let's go Pokes
Let's go Dawgs
Let's go Weird Spaghettis
Let's go Hawkeyes
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pokes gonna lose
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Didn’t realize this is their first ever conference champ game.
I know they won a title one of the years w/o a title game.
Spotlight is too much for the small timely OSU program.
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OSU is missing their best player, I think that's a bigger factor than them bearing some burden of never being in the CCG. This game isn't over though. If they score on this first drive then it's game on. They need to figure out how to run the ball though.
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Haha, I was just kidding, kind of.
I live in OU/OSU country. Met some friends for dinner and drinks last Saturday and my god the back and forth between their fans was unbearable.
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No matter what happens the rest of the day, Baylor will leapfrog Ole Miss and Notre Dame. Maybe Ohio State, they should jump them too, but I'm more skeptical the committee will do that.
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I don't think they'll jump ND, but BTK leaving them might have an effect.
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Georgia is 2 scores better than whoever the second best team is anyway
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Georgia is 2 scores better than whoever the second best team is anyway
:nono:
They're probably going to lose today.
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Goodness, young has an absolute cannon.
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We're looking now at:
Alabama
Georgia
Michigan (if they win)
Cincinnati?
IMO Notre Dame is looking pretty good to take the Big Ten slot if Michigan loses. I just don't see a two loss Baylor, Iowa, or Ohio State making it.
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They won't have Alabama play Georgia back to back, so it will be:
1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Georgia
4. Cincinnati
If Michigan loses then I'd guess ND gets 4 Cincinnati gets 3 and Georgia 2.
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The way Georgia is getting pantsed they really don't look like they should be in the playoff
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Yea, should slide Baylor in there.
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The odds of Georgia getting left out of the playoff is about the same as K-State getting in I think.
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Bama goes to 1
Georgia goes to 3
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What if Michigan loses, who gets the 4th slot?
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What if Michigan loses, who gets the 4th slot?
ND? Hard to see Baylor jumping 5 spots, don’t think Ohio state gets in w 2 losses
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What if Michigan loses, who gets the 4th slot?
ND? Hard to see Baylor jumping 5 spots, don’t think Ohio state gets in w 2 losses
Definitely Notre Dame, I still think we need to set the bracket up to where Bama and Georgia play immediately so they don’t play for the national title.
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The pisser for Cincy is that their best win (Notre Dame) is going to be better than Michigan's best win (Ohio State) or Georiga's best win (Clemson) according to the BCS standings. Further, Cincinnati's second best win (11-2 Houston) is arguably better than Michigan's second best win (Iowa) or Georgia's second best win (Arkansas or Kentucky - take your pick).
Yet, Cincy, is going to be the No. 4 seed no matter what.
For all their hype, Georgia is going to enter the playoff having beaten four teams with winning records (Tennessee, Clemson, Arkansas and Kentucky) and likely only one team (Clemson) in the top 20 of the BCS standings.
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They won't have Alabama play Georgia back to back, so it will be:
1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Georgia
4. Cincinnati
If Michigan loses then I'd guess ND gets 4 Cincinnati gets 3 and Georgia 2.
It shouldn't be this way but it absolutely will.
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i'd put michigan #1 and then arrange the others however you need to so alabama and georgia don't play in the first game.
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Michigan is clearly #1 but I think they'll do what chingon has instead of moving Georgia all the way down to 4. Alabama was second after losing to A&M.
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I would prefer not to see bama and uga play again, but if I had to choose I’d much rather see them play in the semi than the championship game
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I want to see Cincinnati vs. Georgia again but there's no chance of that happening.
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Alabama is 1
Mich/Georgia
Cinci
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They won't have Alabama play Georgia back to back, so it will be:
1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Georgia
4. Cincinnati
If Michigan loses then I'd guess ND gets 4 Cincinnati gets 3 and Georgia 2.
YES :Woot:
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The picture is now complete
SEC: Georgia fell apart, Alabama won convincingly, and now the SEC has two teams in.
Big 10: Michigan is in.
Big XII: Gundy gonna Gundy. OSU had multiple trips inside the 10 and just couldn't get it done. The game rates as 10 out of 10 as far as excitement goes, but Okie Light was in control of its own destiny, and let it slip away. The Big XII cannibalizes itself again.
Pac: xxx
ACC: xxx
Others: Congratulations to Cincinnati on becoming the first G5 team to make the playoffs!
The only other thing worth mentioning is this quote from CFP selection committee chair Gary Barta
The committee gave no consideration to avoiding a rematch between the Crimson Tide and Bulldogs in the first round when seeding the teams.
Which we all know is complete and total horseshit.
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Why do they just lie like that. Everyone knows what is going on.
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Cincinnati is going to beat Saban like a drum.
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Why do they just lie like that. Everyone knows what is going on.
I think he's telling the truth, which means Oklahoma State would have jumped Cincinnati if they won.