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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: LickNeckey on April 27, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43914208
I know this has been mentioned elsewhere but really deserves it's own thread.
who knows what the future will hold but some monumental first steps
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Def positive....great job to all involved
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Time for Trump to work on the Palestinian Israeli thing next.
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I’m not sure how I feel about this...
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You should feel good
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You should feel good
Absolutely
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It was a joke to try and hook line and sinker Dax guys. Obviously it’s a good thing.
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TBT needs a trip to Kansas' #1 tourist attraction.
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Worlds largest prairie dog?
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Actually it's cabela's
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Def a good thing, but I am wary of some sort of stab in the back or KITN to come. But definitely promising to have them actually talking.
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Def a good thing, but I am wary of some sort of stab in the back or KITN to come. But definitely promising to have them actually talking.
Long term play: Korean pressure to drawdown US troop presence. Clear path for NK incursion.
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Obama the Great Cool won a Nobel Piss Prize, but he never got this close to peace. Likely didn’t try cause Korean Americans didn’t vote.for him. Hillary would have sent in troops and abandon them like at Benghazi. Trump ... good banana s0lit
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:love:
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/989721267728146432
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Just so everyone is on the same page, trump had absolutely nothing to do with this
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Trump :curse:
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More stormy talk and less Trump influence of peace talk :curse:
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Def a good thing, but I am wary of some sort of stab in the back or KITN to come. But definitely promising to have them actually talking.
Long term play: Korean pressure to drawdown US troop presence. Clear path for NK incursion.
I was just thinking about this. If this is Kim's move, it's pretty smart. Persuade the south to kick out the 50,000-strong US military presence as part of the peace deal, demilitarize the DMZ, wait about 5-10 years while the south gets pretty sleepy and then you can march right in to Seoul with much lower resistance.
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You guys live with a sad mumped up mind set that's pretty sad.
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So start the countdown clock for the NK invasion of SK at 20 years, give or take?
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You guys live with a sad mumped up mind set that's pretty sad.
Si vis pacem, para bellum wacky.
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https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/989895930727026689
interesting twitter thread.
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Oh man, that's some deep thinking going on there sys. Fantastic cutting and pasting as always.
I really appreciate how the long range vision for the U.S. military means total incapability to project power
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OK, more subtle, less apocalyptic:
China's Xi guarantees order in the transition to separate but equal Koreas.
Price is US removal of US troops, except perhaps token observation force.
China achieves the latter day Asian "Sphere of Influence"
I don't see Japan allowing any increased US presence. There isn't much else for forward based forces.
Don't get me wrong, compared to an outright nuclear exchange, its the price we should pay. Its China's sandbox now. The real question will be which bed Japan eventually ends up in.
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Some of you fail to realize the capabilities of our military. It's like you're trapped in WW2.
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https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/989895930727026689
interesting twitter thread.
Man, trump played these guys like a fiddle. AMAZE
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It's pretty funny to watch these losery academic types, who've accomplished little more than enrolling in lots of college, writhe in jealousy about how succesful Don is while insisting he's not smart. Then, when he achieves exactly what he set out to do, something nobody had come close to accomplishing in decades, in masterful fashion, said losery academics engage in a 30 tweet sequence of mental gymnastics to try and convince themselves it was all by accident and disarming a totalitarian maniac is somehow unwise.
I mean, there's a reason most these people top out as barista.
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this is good.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/it-was-the-best-of-trump-it-was-the-worst-of-trump/559166/
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Great link posting sys.
Any thoughts on the article itself besides the usual superficial non thoughts?
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i thought it accurately exemplified that an observer can plausibly project an extremely wide range of outcomes in the developing korean rapprochement.
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I appreciate that there’s so much handwringing by the left about this.
It’s just a shame our previous president didn’t even follow his own advice as a Senator. Instead creating a climate that allowed NK to make massive leaps in ballistic missile technology and nuclear weapons technology.
Now the whole peace deal has to be because NK had a huge “accident” and/or because it’s just rope a dope by the NK’s on behalf of their great Chinese benefactor.
On the latter it is fascinating that the left which has historically lamented the hegemonic high tech power projecting capabilities of the United States. But, in this case it has to be to de-Americanize the Korean Peninsula rendering the great US Military Machine utterly impotent to stop the NK’s from marching right into Seoul.
Not to mention our SK allies and their predominantly US equipped (or derivatives there of) military will be completely helpless at even being able to get the conscript NK military to tap the brakes on their way to Seoul.
The US left; all movements towards peace are just fools errands unless we’re in charge.
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Obama :curse:
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I appreciate that there’s so much handwringing by the left about this.
It’s just a shame our previous president didn’t even follow his own advice as a Senator. Instead creating a climate that allowed NK to make massive leaps in ballistic missile technology and nuclear weapons technology.
Now the whole peace deal has to be because NK had a huge “accident” and/or because it’s just rope a dope by the NK’s on behalf of their great Chinese benefactor.
On the latter it is fascinating that the left which has historically lamented the hegemonic high tech power projecting capabilities of the United States. But, in this case it has to be to de-Americanize the Korean Peninsula rendering the great US Military Machine utterly impotent to stop the NK’s from marching right into Seoul.
Not to mention our SK allies and their predominantly US equipped (or derivatives there of) military will be completely helpless at even being able to get the conscript NK military to tap the brakes on their way to Seoul.
The US left; all movements towards peace are just fools errands unless we’re in charge.
you are the worst
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I appreciate that there’s so much handwringing by the left about this.
It’s just a shame our previous president didn’t even follow his own advice as a Senator. Instead creating a climate that allowed NK to make massive leaps in ballistic missile technology and nuclear weapons technology.
Now the whole peace deal has to be because NK had a huge “accident” and/or because it’s just rope a dope by the NK’s on behalf of their great Chinese benefactor.
On the latter it is fascinating that the left which has historically lamented the hegemonic high tech power projecting capabilities of the United States. But, in this case it has to be to de-Americanize the Korean Peninsula rendering the great US Military Machine utterly impotent to stop the NK’s from marching right into Seoul.
Not to mention our SK allies and their predominantly US equipped (or derivatives there of) military will be completely helpless at even being able to get the conscript NK military to tap the brakes on their way to Seoul.
The US left; all movements towards peace are just fools errands unless we’re in charge.
you are the worst
An extremely fast tapout, even by your standards.
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It's awesome to see people want to see Trump have any wins so they rush on here to give him all the credit....yet have no idea what he did beyond insult Kim on Twitter. Lol.
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You're weird, Phil.
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It's awesome to see people want to see Trump have any wins so they rush on here to give him all the credit....yet have no idea what he did beyond insult Kim on Twitter. Lol.
Who said anything about a "win"?
It's awesome to see Libs so completely out of their minds that they now absolutely hate the prospect of peace . . . anywhere.
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It's awesome to see people want to see Trump have any wins so they rush on here to give him all the credit....yet have no idea what he did beyond insult Kim on Twitter. Lol.
Who said anything about a "win"?
It's awesome to see Libs so completely out of their minds that they now absolutely hate the prospect of peace . . . anywhere.
I've not seen one person on here say the Korean peace process is a bad thing. Don't be a dumb.
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You're weird, Phil.
I'll give djt all the credit I can once I hear what he did to make Korean great again.....only weirdness going on is the rush to give Trump credit without knowing any facts .
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Or the rush to discredit guy too. Trump lives in those guys's domes.
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It is very difficult to quantity what potential impact DJT has had on the situation and frankly is inconsequential.
The peace process is monumental and a wonderful development.
This is not hard.
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The peace process is monumental and a wonderful development.
there's not a ton of evidence to support that.
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"Not Monumental" sys ("I'm gonna find something to link now" sys)
(https://cdn-01.independent.ie/world-news/article36850079.ece/6a44a/AUTOCROP/h342/ipanews_1e5fe59b-c439-4281-8900-753582b5be68_1)
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Trump pressured China, China pressured NK. End of story.
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Trump pressured China, China pressured NK. End of story.
Case closed.
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Just wait until he gets iran to forfeit their nukes. The libs will be libsplaining at a frantic pace
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Just wait until he gets iran to forfeit their nukes. The libs will be libsplaining at a frantic pace
Heh
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To nobody's surprise, Iran lol'd at obamatard after signing the sham iran deal
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/30/netanyahu-set-to-reveal-dramatic-intelligence-about-iran-nuke-deal-report-says.html
Itan getting cucked will be amaze
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To nobody's surprise, Iran lol'd at obamatard after signing the sham iran deal
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/30/netanyahu-set-to-reveal-dramatic-intelligence-about-iran-nuke-deal-report-says.html
Itan getting cucked will be amaze
wrong thread
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Just wait until he gets iran to forfeit their nukes. The libs will be libsplaining at a frantic pace
You can't forfeit what you don't have
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To nobody's surprise, Iran lol'd at obamatard after signing the sham iran deal
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/30/netanyahu-set-to-reveal-dramatic-intelligence-about-iran-nuke-deal-report-says.html
Itan getting cucked will be amaze
https://twitter.com/elwasson/status/991042961940115456
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Phew. Well, nothing to worry about. Just a country with an ongoing ballistic missile development program, designs for a nuclear weapon just down the hall and to the left, and no inspections of their military bases.
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Yes, everyone (except the b.o. admin) know iran is lying. That's not new.
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Olli Heinonen, the former chief inspector of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said his department first saw the documentation that Netanyahu presented in 2005. The safeguards department that Heinonen ran came to the conclusion that the evidence of weapon design work known as the Amad project was credible, but that substantial work on the project ceased in 2003. Heinonen gave a classified briefing on Amad to the IAEA board in 2008.
After watching Netanyahu’s presentation, Heinonen said: “I just saw a lot of pictures I had seen before.”
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Weird, one (if not several) Iranian ballistic missiles is a variation on a North Korean design. (There’s at minimum a 20 year history here).
How did Iran escape O’s axis of evil onslaught? Because of their substantial Theocratic leanings?
Will Trump be the first to seek regime change in a country controlled by Theocrats?
Can we really call Afghanistan regime change?
Hmm
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Dax just said he thinks Obama was easy on Iran because he's a secret muslim. Wonder where he got that idea
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Oh and he advocated for regime change in iran.
Trump is a hell of a drug
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we already knew that dax drinks deeply at the fountain of john bolton
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Damn liberal Times of India rag
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/north-korea-says-denuclearisation-pledge-not-result-of-us-led-sanctions/articleshow/64049601.cms
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Yeah man, case closed for sure.
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Well let's see Lib. Barrack preferred the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, he overthrew the secular leaning Libyan government and turned the country over to radical Islamist's. He tried to overthrow the secular leaning Assad regime in favor of . . . radical Islamist's (not a singular secular oriented entity fighting to overthrow the Assad regime according to the NYT's, and of course he gave both Russia and, wait for it, Iran a perfect reason to intervene on behalf of Assad). He lifted the sanctions off a Islamic Theocracy, and gave them billions of dollars in ransom money, and he didn't like Israel the last remaining Secular-Judaeo Christian democracy left in the Middle East.
What a complete ClusterFuck created by your hero.
Now libs lose their mind over the prospect of peace in Korea.
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Yeah man, case closed for sure.
so thirsty. I get it. Sucks to hitch your wagon to a scumbag.
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The prospect of peace in Korea, and the Trump Administration having a hand in the process has so enraged Phil that he now identifies and agrees with the North Korean government.
Just when you thought Libs couldn't possibly meltdown anymore, Phil pulls another tanker truck fulll of gas up to the fire and prepares to open the hose.
SMDH, sad.
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The prospect of peace in Korea, and the Trump Administration having a hand in the process has so enraged Phil that he now identifies and agrees with the North Korean government.
Just when you thought Libs couldn't possibly meltdown anymore, Phil pulls another tanker truck fulll of gas up to the fire and prepares to open the hose.
SMDH, sad.
I'm psyched for peach bub.
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Yeah man, case closed for sure.
so thirsty. I get it. Sucks to hitch your wagon to a scumbag.
The only ppl who are thirsty are the ones trying to discredit any legit success Trump has as president. So sad. :frown:
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Well let's see Lib. Barrack preferred the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, he overthrew the secular leaning Libyan government and turned the country over to radical Islamist's. He tried to overthrow the secular leaning Assad regime in favor of . . . radical Islamist's (not a singular secular oriented entity fighting to overthrow the Assad regime according to the NYT's, and of course he gave both Russia and, wait for it, Iran a perfect reason to intervene on behalf of Assad). He lifted the sanctions off a Islamic Theocracy, and gave them billions of dollars in ransom money, and he didn't like Israel the last remaining Secular-Judaeo Christian democracy left in the Middle East.
What a complete ClusterFuck created by your hero.
Now libs lose their mind over the prospect of peace in Korea.
Yeah, but ISIS is JV
:lol:
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Dax, did you pee yourself a little when you saw trump's new very talented lawyer out advocating for regime change in iran? Looks like the advisors your bud trump listens to the most are getting the messaging out to the public.
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I mean, if you have to reach to India for a warm blanket, you're reaching too far.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/us/politics/trump-korea-detainees-pompeo.html
:billdance:
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I'm glad N Korea released those guys. Nice job, The Donald.
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Great news.
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meeting seems set for Singapore
like the choice of setting
if this really goes down give all of them nobel peace prizes
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I can't wait to see the Trump branded Special Edition Nobel Prize medal. It will be just like a regular Nobel medal except bigger and shinier and will have Trump's face on it.
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he will def be pissed when he finds out it is just a coin and diploma
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/damage-to-north-koreas-nuclear-test-site-worse-than-previously-thought-1525975203
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welp
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Master negotiator.
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https://twitter.com/joshjonsmith/status/996576704054181888
But Trump said North Korea agreed to denuclearization?
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No way trump takes that deal
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https://twitter.com/joshjonsmith/status/996576704054181888
But Trump said North Korea agreed to denuclearization?
He definitely did
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But they literally already nuked their nuclear program !!!
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But they literally already nuked their nuclear program !!!
No, they dismantled a nuclear test site.
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I'm shocked.
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Trump is way too tough to be cuk’d by the Rocket man
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Mission Accomplished!
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There is zero chance trump caves on letting them keep their nukes after he already announced that they were getting rid of them
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It's hard to keep track who libs are cheering for these days, a short list: Iran, North Korea, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, FBI, CIA, NSA and it's former leaders who led the largest domestic spying operation in US history and who spied on a presidential candidate, monetary ghoul billionaire George Soros who makes money on economic misery, and many more.
SMDH
Next up: Libs cheering for another mass shooting.
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Libs just stood behind and fist pumped and high five’d as Barry and Hil offered no explanations and sought little, okay, no approval from anyone to overthrow the Libyan government. A government that relinquished all desires for WMD’s and was fighting AQNA.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-16/specter-of-qaddafi-haunts-north-korea-talks?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google
Another reason why it’s positively laughable to think that Iran was giving up its nuclear ambitions.
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I think dax is upset north korea said some mean things about his spirit animal john bolton
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I thought all that was left was to pass out the Nobel?
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I thought all that was left was to pass out the Nobel?
Everyone thinks so.
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It’s really sad when resident lefties just wont admit that their hero left behind some seriously mumped up stuff.
But then again we are talking about people who openly cheer for “The Man” when they used to hate “The Man”.
SMDH-ProgLibs: The New (old) NeoCons
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It's hard to keep track who libs are cheering for these days, a short list: Iran, North Korea, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, FBI, CIA, NSA and it's former leaders who led the largest domestic spying operation in US history and who spied on a presidential candidate, monetary ghoul billionaire George Soros who makes money on economic misery, and many more.
SMDH
Next up: Libs cheering for another mass shooting.
Accurate
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It’s really sad when resident lefties just wont admit that their hero left behind some seriously mumped up stuff.
But then again we are talking about people who openly cheer for “The Man” when they used to hate “The Man”.
SMDH-ProgLibs: The New (old) NeoCons
This is seriously the weakest dax troll oat
I think defending trump's incompetence has finally broken dax :(
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Think of all the amazing material we are missing out on because hill lost :frown:
People forget, but dax was the original "start a new thread with a cryptic title and a single link from infowars and get zero replies" guy until reno took over.
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I am cheering for the denuclearization of NK that Trump said had occurred. As long as people are making a list of who is cheering for what
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ultimately I think Trump knows he will be an international laughing stock if he does not get the NK commitment to denuclearization he previously reported. I am cheering for him to deliver
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ultimately I think Trump knows he will be an international laughing stock if he does not get the NK commitment to denuclearization he previously reported. I am cheering for him to deliver
He'll just deny he ever said it.
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"Bolton, a long-time critic of the North Korean regime, has cited the "Libya model" as a potential process by which Kim could dismantle its nuclear programs."
"In an earlier statement, North Korea criticized ongoing joint military exercises by the United States and South Korea, and said that was a reason to rethink the Trump-Kim summit."
Seems like Bolton and the military exercises have possibly served as provocation. Then again this may have always been the play.
That being said given the gravity of the situation why not postpone war games until after the talks given the sensitive nature of these exercises?
seems to be a tactical error
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I think it is Trump sending Rocket Man a message. Genius move to deliver the promised denuclearization
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The sadder thing is that dax thinks libs are cheering for this, more like duh, we knew this was coming. lol at dax thinking he can still troll anymore. bunch of buzzword soup anymore with him.
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So giddy. :frown:
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The sad thing is, Libs actually think that things like the Iranian Nuclear deal actually accomplished something.
So let me get this straight: We can't inspect your military bases, we're going to give you billions of dollars (that you'll use to bolster your military and spread terror all over the Middle East), we're going to lift all sanctions, and you're going to accelerate your ballistic missile programs, and you're going to keep all your research towards the bomb that you've already done?
SIGN US UP!!
Oh wait, and you're not going to sign any documents, and our congressional body is not going to review or approve because, ah, it's not really a treaty. It's just kinda sorta gonna be a memorandum of understanding.
DON'T SIGN UP AND WE'LL STILL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT!
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It's pretty cool to watch the libtards devolve from a bunch of anti-war, world piece, anti-hegemony ideologues into
Lovers of totalitarian anti-human rights governments, nuclear war, Iran, NK (but not russia :confused:), chemical warfare, ethnic cleansing, murder, and a us govt run by unelected officials.
What is wrong with these people???? At least they [sort of] are pretending not to harbor rapists any more.
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still hope Korean peace is attained
not sure how walking away from the Iran deal provides more stability
if the master negotiater can swing a better deal then sweet
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still hope Korean peace is attained
not sure how walking away from the Iran deal provides more stability
if the master negotiater can swing a better deal then sweet
I operate on the assumption that Trump was NOT full of crap and lying when he stated a deal was reached to denuclearize and he will NOT get humiliated on a world stage.
Who is with me?
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Only the libtarded would assume otherwise
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I am serious. I am not about to give up on our president the way you betas did over the wall and mexico paying for it.
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ultimately I think Trump knows he will be an international laughing stock if he does not get the NK commitment to denuclearization he previously reported. I am cheering for him to deliver
He'll just deny he ever said it.
Just read this thread. Several people demanded he be given credit for it
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hope this works out. i assume a lot of this is just puffery for now.
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It's really troubling to see the libtards cheering on dictators of countries with state sanctioned murder of gays and rape of women. Just because hillary was humiliated by don.
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Based on today's pronouncement I think we can add Binali "increasingly conservative" Yildirim on the list of lib favorites.
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It's really troubling to see the libtards cheering on dictators of countries with state sanctioned murder of gays and rape of women. Just because hillary was humiliated by don.
there it is...
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It's really troubling to see the libtards cheering on dictators of countries with state sanctioned murder of gays and rape of women. Just because hillary was humiliated by don.
Who is cheering on that little worm? I am cheering him on to get pwned by DJT
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Didn't realize you identified as a libtard
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I identify as someone who has faith in our president that he has gotten NK to agree to denuclearization as he stated. Trump will not be humiliated
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Sometimes you just get got, okay?
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Not don, not again
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probably best suited as a cross post to LOL Trump but will just put this here
Donald Trump has threatened Kim Jong-un with the same fate as Muammar Gaddafi if the North Korean leader “doesn’t make a deal” on his nuclear weapons programme.
The US president issued the threat at the White House when he was asked about the recent suggestion by his national security adviser, John Bolton, that the “Libyan model” be a template for dealing with North Korea at a summit between Trump and Kim planned for 12 June in Singapore.
The model Bolton was referring to was Gaddafi’s agreement in December 2003 to surrender his embryonic nuclear weapons programme, which included allowing his uranium centrifuges to be shipped out to the US.
But Trump appeared to be unaware of that agreement, and interpreted the “Libyan model” to mean the 2011 Nato intervention in Libya in support of an insurrection, which ultimately led to Gaddafi’s murder at the hands of rebels in Tripoli.
“The model, if you look at that model with Gaddafi, that was a total decimation. We went in there to beat him. Now that model would take place if we don’t make a deal, most likely. But if we make a deal, I think Kim Jong-un is going to be very, very happy,” Trump said, suggesting that the regime’s survival could be assured if Kim agreed to disarm.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/17/north-korea-trump-latest-warning-kim-jong-un-gaddafi
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/997494211804004353
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good decision imo
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Halting a military exercise is an ENORMOUS consession!?!?!?
What's next? NK flags on the dinner napkins?????
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I’m fine with that. If it gets the denuclearization as promised delivered. Run exercises after we take their nukes
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https://twitter.com/annafifield/status/998320544729612288
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Zero chance that nk silverbacks trump.
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:whistle1:
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Try not to root too hard for NK, guys.
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Try not to root too hard for NK, guys.
Nobody is doing that
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You're glowing, phil.
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Trump has got this, idiots.
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You're glowing, phil.
Only glowing is the lol'ing at you goofballs who day 1 assumed this was a done deal. Hell FSD had already filed away this win and was moving onto Iran ITT.
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Pfftt.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif)
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Trump learned his lesson when Mexico tomahawk dunked on him. No way in all of hell he gets humiliated again. NK is denuked.
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I never thought libs losing in the election to a reality TV star would make them root against their country like this. Kinda sad. :frown: I'll root for us, guys. Don't you worry!
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Not a good look for the libs cheering on north korea
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I never thought libs losing in the election to a reality TV star would make them root against their country like this. Kinda sad. :frown: I'll root for us, guys. Don't you worry!
Everyone: "Oh no! Our campfire got a little too big and now all these dried leaves are starting to catch fire, and we've got to put it out quick!"
Group 1: "Ok, lets fill up this bucket with water, get on our trusty pegasus, fly over the fire and douse all the flames!"
Group 2: "Umm, that's not how reality works..."
Group 1: "WHY ARE YOU ROOTING FOR THE FOREST TO BURN DOWN?!?!?"
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Wacky is really bad at this triggering thing
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The hilarious thing is, people like Trey think there's an actual fire to put out.
Remember, just a few days ago Libs had concocted this whack-a-doo scenario whereby this was a ploy by NK to get the U.S. to pull it's troops out of South Korea. Which in their world view, would thus render the United States completely impotent and incapable of assisting SK militarily on any conceivable level. Further, apparently in their view, SK despite having an extremely well equipped and capable military would be steam rolled by NK in 1950's human wave fashion.
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The hilarious thing is, people like Trey think there's an actual fire to put out.
Remember, just a few days ago Libs had concocted this whack-a-doo scenario whereby this was a ploy by NK to get the U.S. to pull it's troops out of South Korea. Which in their world view, would thus render the United States completely impotent and incapable of assisting SK militarily on any conceivable level. Further, apparently in their view, SK despite having an extremely well equipped and capable military would be steam rolled by NK in 1950's human wave fashion.
An actual fire? Jesus, dude, it's a metaphor that illustrates how stupid those "liberals are rooting against peace!" proclamations are.
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Wacky is really bad at this triggering thing
Looks like it's working to me. :love:
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good thread.
https://twitter.com/Robert_E_Kelly/status/998422440165294081
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LOL, Trump will not get dominated on an international stage. It would be too huge of a blow to get served by Mexico AND NK.
I trust my president
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https://apple.news/AECrdXtevR4CUe-lnI6iYvg
Smh at idiots who don’t know this thing is in books
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This summit is going to be something else. If trump doesn't walk away with an unconditional surrender from NK, the libtards are going to celebrate in the streets. If he gets any kind of concession it will be absolutely historic.
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This summit is going to be something else. If trump doesn't walk away with an unconditional surrender from NK, the libtards are going to celebrate in the streets. If he gets any kind of concession it will be absolutely historic.
Denuclearization as stated weeks ago is really the only thing that’s going to happen.
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Like when Obama denuclearized the iranians and they kept making nukea or actual real denuclearization?
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Like when Obama denuclearized the iranians and they kept making nukea or actual real denuclearization?
Set your goals a little higher than Barak FSD...I mean we are dealing with a historic president here....he can surely do better than the worst president of all time.
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Like when Obama denuclearized the iranians and they kept making nukea or actual real denuclearization?
Which was Trump referring to when he claimed he had accomplished it?
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I never thought libs losing in the election to a reality TV star would make them root against their country like this. Kinda sad. :frown: I'll root for us, guys. Don't you worry!
Everyone: "Oh no! Our campfire got a little too big and now all these dried leaves are starting to catch fire, and we've got to put it out quick!"
Group 1: "Ok, lets fill up this bucket with water, get on our trusty pegasus, fly over the fire and douse all the flames!"
Group 2: "Umm, that's not how reality works..."
Group 1: "WHY ARE YOU ROOTING FOR THE FOREST TO BURN DOWN?!?!?"
Late to the game but... :lol:
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This summit is going to be something else. If trump doesn't walk away with an unconditional surrender from NK, the libtards are going to celebrate in the streets. If he gets any kind of concession it will be absolutely historic.
Anything deal short of full denuclearization will make for interesting comparative analysys vs the Iran deal
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This summit is going to be something else. If trump doesn't walk away with an unconditional surrender from NK, the libtards are going to celebrate in the streets. If he gets any kind of concession it will be absolutely historic.
Anything deal short of full denuclearization will make for interesting comparative analysys vs the Iran deal
Is a deal, a deal if nobody signs any documents?
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Like when Obama denuclearized the iranians and they kept making nukea or actual real denuclearization?
Set your goals a little higher than Barak FSD...I mean we are dealing with a historic president here....he can surely do better than the worst president of all time.
I would agree. Once you peel back the abject insanity of it all, Obama was the worst foreign policy president in modern American history. But, one school of thought is, it was done on purpose.
Central American policy: Absolutely dreadful
Middle East: No American President sowed more unrest and upheaval. Which is astounding given the last 40 years.
China: What exactly did the “pivot” accomplish besides a more emboldened China than ever?
Russia: Disaster
Europe: He did a great job spying on them I suppose
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The comparative analysis is never fun for the obamaites. That's certain. They're left conjecturalizing about what Trump's accomplishments "really mean"
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The thread is the Korean peace process
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The thread is the Korean peace process
Of which there was none under the previous administration, whose leader extolled direct talks with nations like NK as Senator. But then opted to just overthrow their governments or just piss them off as President. With notable exception Iran, which he paid off.
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Dax taking off on his "secret muslim" theory again :love:
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The thread is the Korean peace process
Of which there was none under the previous administration, whose leader extolled direct talks with nations like NK as Senator. But then opted to just overthrow their governments or just piss them off as President. With notable exception Iran, which he paid off.
Glad the current president has denuclearized NK, as promised.
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You’ve gone from complicity supporting a regime change president, to demanding Korean denuclearization be completed in months.
Not a good look, Dug. But a typical look.
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Dax taking off on his "secret muslim" theory again :love:
Who said anything about secret Muslim?
More like a CIA/PNAC on steroids lackey sowing perpetual US military presence in the Middle East.
Stay in the kiddie pool, Lib.
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if he gets the nukes give him the coin
if he gets cucked give hime the scorn
pretty simple.
NK has long wanted to sit down with a sitting US President as "equals" for the optics.
Trump has agreed.
let the games begin!
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You’ve gone from complicity supporting a regime change president, to demanding Korean denuclearization be completed in months.
Not a good look, Dug. But a typical look.
You are getting dumber each day if you interpreted that. Like wack level
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if he gets the nukes give him the coin
if he gets cucked give hime the scorn
pretty simple.
NK has long wanted to sit down with a sitting US President as "equals" for the optics.
Trump has agreed.
let the games begin!
This is literally my point that appears to be driving Dax to the brink of sanity. If you sit down with a fringe operator like NK and give them that credibility you’d better win. Winning is simply living up to the promise he made so pretty simple.
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Sounds like Dax doesn't even want NK to get rid of their bukes.
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if he gets the nukes give him the coin
if he gets cucked give hime the scorn
pretty simple.
NK has long wanted to sit down with a sitting US President as "equals" for the optics.
Trump has agreed.
let the games begin!
This is literally my point that appears to be driving Dax to the brink of sanity. If you sit down with a fringe operator like NK and give them that credibility you’d better win. Winning is simply living up to the promise he made so pretty simple.
LOL. At the rate that they seemingly leaped in ICBM technology (which is a story unto itself) and the trajectory of their development path. There's 3 choices: 1. Let them keep right on going. 2. Negotiate 3. War.
Do nothing, and you've got China expanding dominance over the South China Sea, with little brother NK on the backside with ICBM's and Nukes.
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Trump ALWAYS delivers. He won't let us down. He's not some con man or something.
https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty/status/998960736662679552
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if he gets the nukes give him the coin
if he gets cucked give hime the scorn
pretty simple.
NK has long wanted to sit down with a sitting US President as "equals" for the optics.
Trump has agreed.
let the games begin!
This is literally my point that appears to be driving Dax to the brink of sanity. If you sit down with a fringe operator like NK and give them that credibility you’d better win. Winning is simply living up to the promise he made so pretty simple.
LOL. At the rate that they seemingly leaped in ICBM technology (which is a story unto itself) and the trajectory of their development path. There's 3 choices: 1. Let them keep right on going. 2. Negotiate 3. War.
Do nothing, and you've got China expanding dominance over the South China Sea, with little brother NK on the backside with ICBM's and Nukes.
You don’t have to have faith that Trump will deliver what was promised and not be humiliated. Doesn’t stop me from believing in him. Guess we can disagree on this one.
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if he gets the nukes give him the coin
if he gets cucked give hime the scorn
pretty simple.
NK has long wanted to sit down with a sitting US President as "equals" for the optics.
Trump has agreed.
let the games begin!
This is literally my point that appears to be driving Dax to the brink of sanity. If you sit down with a fringe operator like NK and give them that credibility you’d better win. Winning is simply living up to the promise he made so pretty simple.
LOL. At the rate that they seemingly leaped in ICBM technology (which is a story unto itself) and the trajectory of their development path. There's 3 choices: 1. Let them keep right on going. 2. Negotiate 3. War.
Do nothing, and you've got China expanding dominance over the South China Sea, with little brother NK on the backside with ICBM's and Nukes.
You don’t have to have faith that Trump will deliver what was promised and not be humiliated. Doesn’t stop me from believing in him. Guess we can disagree on this one.
You're just bullshitting.
But I do appreciate the fact that Lib Hero Barry essentially led us into this scenario by doing nothing. I guess Kim just wasn't Barry's kind of dictator.
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I don't think he will fail this time. Join me on team Trump
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Welp now Trump says June meeting prob not happening...what happens to the coin?
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Welp, case closed, phil.
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Welp, case closed, phil.
Huh? Am I not supposed to believe Trump?
I'm just worried about the coin honestly.
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Lock this thread up, fellas. Libs win. :cheers: Big day for them!
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You are extra triggered on this one.
Lock this thread up, fellas. Libs win. :cheers: Big day for them!
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lol. How? I'm simply laughing at you guys saying Trump had nothing to do with the initial state of NK and SK coming together and NK shutting down nukes. Now i'm just enjoying you guys flip flop, drooling at this to fall through, and then to blame Trump for it. You can't make this crap up.
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eh. disappointing, but if DPRK is serious that strict denuclearization is off the table, then it may make sense to suspend talks and resume sanctions.
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lol. How? I'm simply laughing at you guys saying Trump had nothing to do with the initial state of NK and SK coming together and NK shutting down nukes. Now i'm just enjoying you guys flip flop, drooling at this to fall through, and then to blame Trump for it. You can't make this crap up.
Nobody wants it to fall though. We all expected it to happen given his storied penache for making deals...if he was publically stating what he was, we all believed he got it done and we're ready to mint the Nobel for him....
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:rolleyes:
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It's almost like the president of the United States is a moron who has no clue what he's doing.
Weird
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:rolleyes:
I feel lied to. Doesn't feel good.
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eh. disappointing, but if DPRK is serious that strict denuclearization is off the table, then it may make sense to suspend talks and resume sanctions.
I hope that is just posturing by NK as DJT previously unequivocally said there was already something of a denuclearization agreement in place. I can see NK not wanting to appear to have been dominated in this instance. Ultimately, I have faith our President can deliver on this promise and not be the one getting dominated on an International stage.
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eh. disappointing, but if DPRK is serious that strict denuclearization is off the table, then it may make sense to suspend talks and resume sanctions.
I hope that is just posturing by NK
me too. our president is an excellent dealmaker. this is what we in the legal biz call "hardball."
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eh. disappointing, but if DPRK is serious that strict denuclearization is off the table, then it may make sense to suspend talks and resume sanctions.
I hope that is just posturing by NK
me too. our president is an excellent dealmaker. this is what we in the legal biz call "hardball."
Exactly. He may have leveraged himself when he announced that he had gotten them to agree to denuclearization because now he runs the risk of appearing weak and impotent if he fails to achieve that end - but I think there are still plenty of arrows in his quiver. NK's only bargaining chip is making Trump look small/limp where Trump has strong sanctions at his disposal.
I trust him
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thank God he's our president.
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Guys, per the libtards, NK already exploded its nuke program which is the real reason they agreed to de-nuke, it doesn't matter whether the say yes or no now. Trump didn't do anything. The entire summit is fake news.
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Guys, per the libtards, NK already exploded its nuke program which is the real reason they agreed to de-nuke, it doesn't matter whether the say yes or no now. Trump didn't do anything. The entire summit is fake news.
Time to pull an Obama since we now know they have no WMD's and seemingly want to cooperate on everything, and just go in take that dude out.
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Guys, per the libtards, NK already exploded its nuke program which is the real reason they agreed to de-nuke, it doesn't matter whether the say yes or no now. Trump didn't do anything. The entire summit is fake news.
So glad to hear that you believe they agreed to de-nuke. The pieces are really falling into place.
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Guys, per the libtards, NK already exploded its nuke program which is the real reason they agreed to de-nuke, it doesn't matter whether the say yes or no now. Trump didn't do anything. The entire summit is fake news.
Time to pull an Obama since we now know they have no WMD's and seemingly want to cooperate on everything, and just go in take that dude out.
lol wut?
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Dax wants war...he in no way wants Trump to succeed. Sucks.
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Guys, per the libtards, NK already exploded its nuke program which is the real reason they agreed to de-nuke, it doesn't matter whether the say yes or no now. Trump didn't do anything. The entire summit is fake news.
Time to pull an Obama since we now know they have no WMD's and seemingly want to cooperate on everything, and just go in take that dude out.
lol wut?
Didn't read the post I responded to, apparently.
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But they literally already nuked their nuclear program !!!
Guys, per the libtards, NK already exploded its nuke program which is the real reason they agreed to de-nuke, it doesn't matter whether the say yes or no now. Trump didn't do anything. The entire summit is fake news.
:lol:
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Sarcasm is hard
:lol:
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https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/999469065797160960
It would appear the tables have turned.
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I don’t think trump gets completely dominated by failing to get nk to give up its nuclear program
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This summit is like a prize fight complete with pre-fight fanfare.
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I'm with fsd, this is clearly a work
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Agree with fsd, big stage
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complete with kayfabe diplomacy
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The plot thickens....
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/999599105524498438?s=19
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Nice work mr. President! Let’s get that deal closed!
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/999647598947569672
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Lol, the marks are going to eat this crap up #work
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(https://sc.cnbcfm.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/2018/05/24/IMG_3008r.jpg)
Have fun with this
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Congrats Neo(Lib)Cons: Back to the war footing that you desire
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https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/999660786145472517
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Big win for the Neo(Lib)Cons.
'grats
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https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/999660786145472517
Good luck with that.
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DJT should not be scared of him like this.
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DJT should not be scared of him like this.
'Grats Dug, up your holdings in the defense sector and buy Iodine tablets.
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weird post
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Trump pulled out? Why is he quitting on peace? How is dax laying this at anybody's feet but his?
Sad to see dax become a beaten wife willing to excuse Trump
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Trump pulled out? Why is he quitting on peace? How is dax laying this at anybody's feet but his?
Sad to see dax become a beaten wife willing to excuse Trump
Big win for the resident Neo(Lib)Cons.
Probably not going to have to worry about "Marching straight into Seoul" anymore, so another big win for the resident Neo(Lib)Cons
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Trump pulled out? Why is he quitting on peace? How is dax laying this at anybody's feet but his?
Sad to see dax become a beaten wife willing to excuse Trump
he appears to be scared/petrified. I think a long weekend will help him get his courage back
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good job by trump, cancelling the meeting.
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Trump pulled out? Why is he quitting on peace? How is dax laying this at anybody's feet but his?
Sad to see dax become a beaten wife willing to excuse Trump
Big win for the resident Neo(Lib)Cons.
Probably not going to have to worry about "Marching straight into Seoul" anymore, so another big win for the resident Neo(Lib)Cons
We all lost today. How that is anybody's fault but Trump you'll have to provide more detail than your humorous name-calling.
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We all lost today.
no we didn't. a farce was ended, that's good.
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We all lost today.
no we didn't. a farce was ended, that's good.
Just shocked I tell you. Really thought this had legs
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I for one think this is just another part of the pre fight ritual, and fully expect the drama to continue.
If it's true, however, it would appear Trump got 3 hostages for nothing. Not a bad day's work.
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I for one think this is just another part of the pre fight ritual, and fully expect the drama to continue.
If it's true, however, it would appear Trump got 3 hostages for nothing. Not a bad day's work.
Small price to pay for a little self depreciating leadership....just not like Trump to want to look like the fool...glad to see him grow as a leader.
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Decent point. Trump swallowed his pride for the hostages
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Well, it's going to be very sad and very disappointing I'm afraid.
Not to mention the sharing of information back and forth between NK-Iran on missile technology.
The last few NK launches were clearly systems that had huge (bad) potential, if that moves into Iran they'll be able to reach well into Europe and beyond.
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Crap, Dax is giving up on trump
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Just a shame this process couldn't have, you know, started a few years ago. Before NK missile client state Iran got a crap ton of money to buy more missile technology.
So we get a lot of money and we don't have to sign anything?
(https://i.imgur.com/wGgCAGZ.gif)
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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/04/north-korea-officials-visit-to-iran-could-signal-wider-military-ties.html
We have no nuclear ambitions but we're building better missiles and observing nuclear tests in NK.
But, "Great Deal".
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It’s too early to call trump a massive failure, imo
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Well, it's going to be very sad and very disappointing I'm afraid.
Not to mention the sharing of information back and forth between NK-Iran on missile technology.
The last few NK launches were clearly systems that had huge (bad) potential, if that moves into Iran they'll be able to reach well into Europe and beyond.
Yeah. It's just too bad we can't go and inspect Iran to make sure they don't have nukes anymore.
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Well, it's going to be very sad and very disappointing I'm afraid.
Not to mention the sharing of information back and forth between NK-Iran on missile technology.
The last few NK launches were clearly systems that had huge (bad) potential, if that moves into Iran they'll be able to reach well into Europe and beyond.
Yeah. It's just too bad we can't go and inspect Iran to make sure they don't have nukes anymore.
Yes, the Blixian iron clad unsigned agreement is sure to reign in Iran's nuclear ambitions.
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I think it's simply too early to call this the most humiliating beat down of trump we've seen.
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Just gives wardog Bolton more to bomb
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I think it's simply too early to call this the most humiliating beat down of trump we've seen.
Lot to choose from
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Rumblings that trump intends to reverse the savage dunking he took and it might be back on!
I clearly predicted he just needed the weekend to get his nuts back. :Woot:
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seems like moon is doing all the heavy lifting
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Point and laugh at what is admittedly a huge bitch slapping all you want haters. My boy Don is back!
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I'm kinda worried about 'stone, guys.
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https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1000541538534019072
We're back in business, guys!
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Dennis Rodman must be putting in overtime to make this happen
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https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1000541538534019072
We're back in business, guys!
Who is the fat loser President now huh?! :nono:
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Fingers crossed for some dunking.
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Zero chance it doesn't happen on the original date
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1000831304836018176
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All those folks who called him a weakling who can’t denuke nk owe him an apology!
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1000831304836018176
meanwhile.
https://twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/1000572802699812864
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Old Trump will bamboozle Kim Young dung into an agreement. His walking was the best tactic to force things. Ocoward would have given the farm to NK. Hillary would have gone MilitantLibwoman and Kim would have nuked us.
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LIBS hanging on every word from social media.
So very very sad
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Old Trump will bamboozle Kim Young dung into an agreement. His walking was the best tactic to force things. Ocoward would have given the farm to NK. Hillary would have gone MilitantLibwoman and Kim would have nuked us.
F yeah Reno. He has already gotten him to de-nuke. I bet he squeezes him for some land or something sweet
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LIBS hanging on every word from social media.
So very very sad
it is how Alphas communicate directly with the people.
duh
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Why would anyone care about official statements from the president of the United States?
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http://thehill.com/policy/international/asia-pacific/389791-cia-finds-north-korea-wont-give-up-nuclear-weapons-could
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They must think trump is pretty stupid. Their mistake, they’ve already agreed to denuke
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Prior to Trump the trend line was fantastic for the U.S vis-a-vis NK. More and more capable missiles, more nukes and more capable nukes. No negotiations, and no further action besides sanctions (that weren't deterring their missile or nuke program on any discernible level) . . . and with a missile test bed partner in Iran (and nuke partner as well, with billions of dollars to spend).
Boo Peace!
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http://thehill.com/policy/international/asia-pacific/389791-cia-finds-north-korea-wont-give-up-nuclear-weapons-could
The blurb about McDonald's is bizzare
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http://thehill.com/policy/international/asia-pacific/389791-cia-finds-north-korea-wont-give-up-nuclear-weapons-could
The blurb about McDonald's is bizzare
No, it's a huge step towards peace.
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That is awesome. They are so scared of him they will put a gross fat person chain in their city to appease him.
No-bel
No-bel
No-bel
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He's just waiting until June 12th to dunk on them.
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1002622553125523458
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The internal fight between peace and Trump success is no doubt intense for the LibBot.
A real . . . pickle.
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The internal fight between peace and Trump success is no doubt intense for the LibBot.
A real . . . pickle.
How are we any closer to peace? Put away your boogeymen and give a real answer.
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The internal fight between peace and Trump success is no doubt intense for the LibBot.
real . . . pickle.
How are we any closer to peace? Put away your boogeymen and give a real answer.
Observation of real behavior be it verbal or written does not a boogeyman make.
But since you now apparently demand succinct clarity, I should have said "prospect of peace".
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The internal fight between peace and Trump success is no doubt intense for the LibBot.
real . . . pickle.
How are we any closer to peace? Put away your boogeymen and give a real answer.
Observation of real behavior be it verbal or written does not a boogeyman make.
But since you now apparently demand succinct clarity, I should have said "prospect of peace".
The way Trump goes off the cuff the prospect of war is just as possible....neither of these dudes wants to feel slighted....giving NK a sit down is a pretty big win for them...we need a big win on our side....go Trump!
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The internal fight between peace and Trump success is no doubt intense for the LibBot.
real . . . pickle.
How are we any closer to peace? Put away your boogeymen and give a real answer.
Observation of real behavior be it verbal or written does not a boogeyman make.
But since you now apparently demand succinct clarity, I should have said "prospect of peace".
The way Trump goes off the cuff the prospect of war is just as possible....neither of these dudes wants to feel slighted....giving NK a sit down is a pretty big win for them...we need a big win on our side....go Trump!
Approaching everything merely through the perception of who appears to be (metaphorically) winning, will never bring peace to our world.
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The internal fight between peace and Trump success is no doubt intense for the LibBot.
real . . . pickle.
How are we any closer to peace? Put away your boogeymen and give a real answer.
Observation of real behavior be it verbal or written does not a boogeyman make.
But since you now apparently demand succinct clarity, I should have said "prospect of peace".
The way Trump goes off the cuff the prospect of war is just as possible....neither of these dudes wants to feel slighted....giving NK a sit down is a pretty big win for them...we need a big win on our side....go Trump!
Approaching everything merely through the perception of who appears to be (metaphorically) winning, will never bring peace to our world.
Go Trump meant to get us peace goofball. Since he is you know the one going to the meeting.
Take a lap.
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https://twitter.com/axios/status/1003080576168091649
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Hope peace doesn’t work out for ‘stones sanity. He needs this win.
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Day drinking again
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Bunch of whataboutism from the libtards itt
Smdh
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Lol. Nah. Totally sober. Just don’t want you to get dunked on again.
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Donald slam dunking on ‘stone so much is definitely something I definitely could have never forecasted. Just hope he doesn’t get worked like this in the court room.
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Donald slam dunking on ‘stone so much is definitely something I definitely could have never forecasted. Just hope he doesn’t get worked like this in the court room.
Not a trumper :lol:
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Normally you get all enraged low self esteemy at me when hammered. My bad
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Is accusing the guy pwning you of being drunk page 2 or page 3 of the boring overused unamusing goE playbook?
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You guys are so eerily similar
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Playbook or instruction manual, I can't remember
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I think wack has candidly admitted he loves to get all gassed and come on gE to take out his frustrations.
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Not as much as you brag about smoking heaters and getting gassed yourself with kids at home. :frown:
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See?
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Donald slam dunking on ‘stone so much is definitely something I definitely could have never forecasted. Just hope he doesn’t get worked like this in the court room.
Not a trumper :lol:
I legit didn’t give a crap and get all over traumatic like your boy ‘stone did when Trump chose a different date to meet with NK. I also didn’t brag about Trump getting dunked on by nfl players, when it was Faulse. All ‘stone takes unfortunately. He also talks crap on Mrs. Wacky’s fam 24/7 when He leaches off his wives inheritance. Sad, but true.
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I just don’t know how an individual can talk so much crap and talk a big game, when they had to marry into that success, you know?
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(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/86/db/53/86db537542d91dda9c3c90d83ed7f33e--copper-ornaments-medieval-armor.jpg)
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Look man I know you think life dealt you a shitty hand and you like blowing off the cubicle farm frustrations over here but no need to make crap up.
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Just leave her fams name out your mouth. Stop faking like you’re top dog. Hypocrisy, just stop it all. Just want you to be a better person. I lol at all of your snide comments towards the family I married into, but I’m kinda over it. Go make another mama fitz account to entertain yourself.
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Snapped
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So none of this has anything to do with the summit. Got it.
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I’m all about the summit and excited it will go down. And some people can’t get off my nuts
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‘Stone has never been more grossly tuned his whole life.
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Yeah I took that rage out broadside. :cry:
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"over traumatic"
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"over traumatic"
“Faulse” had a bigger impact on me personally.
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https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1004099423184523266
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i guess i was all wrong about this being a risible farce.
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https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/1004365804371152897
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Now Colbert can say trump used rocket man as his cockholster
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https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1004842439302053888
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What a historic event we're all about to witness. Thank you Mr. President!
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:bwpopcorn:
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Bucket hoping he fails is sad. :frown:
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Bucket hoping he fails is sad. :frown:
You are very good at fighting boogeymen that don't exist.
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:lol: Didn't you just post in the trump/russia thread? :lol:
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Didn't you just post in the trump/russia thread?
This won't age well.
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I've been waiting for it to age over 2 years now, bud. Anyways, pretty cool and historic moment coming up. dgaf about how shitty our president is, this is pretty big.
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I've been waiting for it to age over 2 years now, bud. Anyways, pretty cool and historic moment coming up. dgaf about how shitty our president is, this is pretty big.
We don't believe your attempts to hedge wacky...we know you love Trump and his aproach to life...just own it.
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lol. Really?
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I legit said from the beginning that the sole purpose of why I voted for him was for the economy. He's added jobs and i'm cashing big checks. Case closed.
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I legit said from the beginning that the sole purpose of why I voted for him was for the economy. He's added jobs and i'm cashing big checks. Case closed.
Bud, this economy would be happening either way at this point. What is different is stockholders of companies like bank stocks (and those companies themselves) are getting effin rich due to the taxbreak....that's not trickling down to the employees...wage increase % shows us that.
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I legit said from the beginning that the sole purpose of why I voted for him was for the economy. He's added jobs and i'm cashing big checks. Case closed.
You are fine with misogyny and racism as long as the economy is on your side. Got it.
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No, that's not what you get to say there, Mrs. Gooch. People act like we're the same monster as the ppl we voted for. I rough ridin' hated Hillary. I always have. So over the rough ridin' Clintons.
So you're cool with Hillary and Bengazi then? Got it. You know how rough ridin' idiotic that sounds?
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My graduating class, graduated into a recession. It wasn't fun, Mrs. Gooch. Just hoping my classmates can get a taste of the type of economy that their parents experienced.
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You should be very happy Obama got the economy humming so well after that recession
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A trade war would not be good for the economy, Wacks. :ohno:
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Is sub 2% quarterly GDP is growth is humming, then LibBot has a point.
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Imagine trump bumblefucking his way through the economy republicans left Obama.
Yeesh
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Is sub 2% quarterly GDP is growth is humming, then LibBot has a point.
You are smarter than this.
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Is sub 2% quarterly GDP is growth is humming, then LibBot has a point.
You are smarter than this.
7 plus % unemployment, just accept, it's the new normal.
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https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/1005459729253052416
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https://twitter.com/Robert_E_Kelly/status/1005760497486925824
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LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.
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LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.
If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
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https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/status/1006029496321884160
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LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.
If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
We've gone from zero to little interaction for decades to demanding an agreement tonight?
Interesting.
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LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.
If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
We've gone from zero to little interaction for decades to demanding an agreement tonight?
Interesting.
I only listen to the words coming from his mouth and what he said he got done. If we are giving this guy a public face to face with the leader of the Free world it's pretty small ask to make sure we aren't giving up that leverage for nothing.
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LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.
If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
We've gone from zero to little interaction for decades to demanding an agreement tonight?
Interesting.
I only listen to the words coming from his mouth and what he said he got done. If we are giving this guy a public face to face with the leader of the Free world it's pretty small ask to make sure we aren't giving up that leverage for nothing.
We've given up leverage? Interesting.
Everything I'm hearing is nothing short of complete de-nuclearization.
I get it though. Your guy got a noble peace prize for a speech and in the real world, didn't actually reduce nuclear weapons at all besides signing a meaningless MOU with Iran (who didn't have any nukes), all the while pumping $5.2 billion into their terror/defense coffers . . . then later in his tenure signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in the history of the free world. When you break it down, you gut duped and the Nobel committee got played, and that has be disappointing. So now, you're taking it out on Trump.
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Really hope nk wins this one for the libs :emawkid:
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Really hope nk wins this one for the libs :emawkid:
Which reminds me, need to add recession to the things that LibBots are now openly rooting for.
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LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.
If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
We've gone from zero to little interaction for decades to demanding an agreement tonight?
Interesting.
I only listen to the words coming from his mouth and what he said he got done. If we are giving this guy a public face to face with the leader of the Free world it's pretty small ask to make sure we aren't giving up that leverage for nothing.
We've given up leverage? Interesting.
Everything I'm hearing is nothing short of complete de-nuclearization.
I get it though. Your guy got a noble peace prize for a speech and in the real world, didn't actually reduce nuclear weapons at all besides signing a meaningless MOU with Iran (who didn't have any nukes), all the while pumping $5.2 billion into their terror/defense coffers . . . then later in his tenure signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in the history of the free world. When you break it down, you gut duped and the Nobel committee got played, and that has be disappointing. So now, you're taking it out on Trump.
You should send a bill to Barrack for all the time he lives in your brain.
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LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.
If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
We've gone from zero to little interaction for decades to demanding an agreement tonight?
Interesting.
I only listen to the words coming from his mouth and what he said he got done. If we are giving this guy a public face to face with the leader of the Free world it's pretty small ask to make sure we aren't giving up that leverage for nothing.
We've given up leverage? Interesting.
Everything I'm hearing is nothing short of complete de-nuclearization.
I get it though. Your guy got a noble peace prize for a speech and in the real world, didn't actually reduce nuclear weapons at all besides signing a meaningless MOU with Iran (who didn't have any nukes), all the while pumping $5.2 billion into their terror/defense coffers . . . then later in his tenure signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in the history of the free world. When you break it down, you gut duped and the Nobel committee got played, and that has be disappointing. So now, you're taking it out on Trump.
You should send a bill to Barrack for all the time he lives in your brain.
Not when we're still trying to clean up his messes.
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Really hope nk wins this one for the libs :emawkid:
Which reminds me, need to add recession to the things that LibBots are now openly rooting for.
Yeah, kinda insane to root against the land of the free, but here we are. Praying this goes well for them so they feel better about losing to a reality star in the election. It’s legit making them insane.
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https://twitter.com/boonepickens/status/1006245440340332544
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:crossfingers:
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:crossfingers:
It's easy to confuse hoping with predicting I guess....don't let Trump talk you into another bogeyman to fight.
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Just rooting for Kim like you guys. Let’s show this Cheeto!
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Just rooting for Kim like you guys. Let’s show this Cheeto!
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There is no rooting. Trump already told us the denuking has been agreed upon...
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Lol
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Don’t denuke to own the ‘pubs, Kim! :crossfingers:
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:Cheers:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1006346607112130561
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Really hope nk wins this one for the libs :emawkid:
Which reminds me, need to add recession to the things that LibBots are now openly rooting for.
Yeah, kinda insane to root against the land of the free, but here we are. Praying this goes well for them so they feel better about losing to a reality star in the election. It’s legit making them insane.
They have derailed and gone full J Edgar police state trying to find the boogeyman. Should have known this was coming when they started wearing women's clothing.
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https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/1006347072285609986
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Make America Great Again, potcoin.com.
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LOL
https://twitter.com/JennyJohnsonHi5/status/1006346389775777797?s=19
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Dennis Rodman and Donald Trump negotiating nuclear deals, what could go wrong.
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Secretly I hope you all realize the gravity of this entire thing.
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Secretly I hope you all realize the gravity of this entire thing.
Enjoy your russian bought stanley cup
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Peace communique signed 1 hr ago between Trump and Kim.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/12/trump-kim-jong-un-sign-comprehensive-document-vague-on-specific-details.html
Howlers going to howl because Trump treated KI'm respectfully and it appears human rights issues were not really addressed, each country sovereign with it determining what happens within their own borders.
G7 dudes you didn’t bring peace. OARROGANT you didn't bring peace. Manhater Hillary you didn’t bring peace. Screwy Bernie you didn't bring peace. Pelosi you didn't either. Maybe it's time for the Leftocrats to quit resistanting and trying to destroy Trump.
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It is good. I hope he doesn't listen to John Bolton and it continues to be good.
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‘Stone got postered ITT, man what a turn of events.
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Can you smart Trump guys explain the difference in tone?
https://twitter.com/JeffBlix/status/1006348023671263233?s=19
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you can see why he wanted to do this thing. everyone knows it's nothing but a pr campaign, yet the everyone, from the jaded media down to naive little katkid, can not help themselves from fawning.
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Damn, so he did it? :curse:
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Nothing but a PR campaign is probably the best case scenario because it entails that we did not hurt ourselves with all this.
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you can see why he wanted to do this thing. everyone knows it's nothing but a pr campaign, yet the everyone, from the jaded media down to naive little katkid, can not help themselves from fawning.
i'm not sure your cynicism has any more merit than naivete.
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lol.
Libs- "Lol. The NK deal dropped through? lol. That's so trump."
also libs after history is made- "Lol. Nothing but a PR campaign. Nothing to see here." :love:
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Accurate (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180612/4f6a8f3227672c71259fb9065e99213a.jpg)
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you can see why he wanted to do this thing. everyone knows it's nothing but a pr campaign, yet the everyone, from the jaded media down to naive little katkid, can not help themselves from fawning.
i'm not sure your cynicism has any more merit than naivete.
give it time, you'll eventually figure it out.
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https://twitter.com/mikescollins/status/1006351423796318209
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Thanks, Luke from DC.
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Accurate (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180612/4f6a8f3227672c71259fb9065e99213a.jpg)
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So true. They went from warning us trump would cause a nuclear war to wishing one would happen to save face.
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Weird that the same people that said the Iran deal didn't do enough are celebrating a NK deal that does essentially nothing
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Weird that the same people that said the Iran deal didn't do enough are celebrating a NK deal that does essentially nothing
Have the details of the deal been released? I was under the impression it was just a trump thumbs up at this point
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Have the details of the deal been released? I was under the impression it was just a trump thumbs up at this point
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1006446738016755712
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Looks iron clad to me
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Trump calms ge posters, says "I'll brush this pony boys, you just hold its tail"
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Good call to being the boys home from Korea too, use that money to build a wall.
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lol.
Libs- "Lol. The NK deal dropped through? lol. That's so trump."
also libs after history is made- "Lol. Nothing but a PR campaign. Nothing to see here." :love:
Since you are versed in this history of this, help me understand why no other president has met with a Kim and Obama was vilified by RSM (Republican Stream Media) when he suggested meeting?
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lol.
Libs- "Lol. The NK deal dropped through? lol. That's so trump."
also libs after history is made- "Lol. Nothing but a PR campaign. Nothing to see here." :love:
Since you are versed in this history of this, help me understand why no other president has met with a Kim and Obama was vilified by RSM (Republican Stream Media) when he suggested meeting?
i'm the poster that said this is nothing but a pr campaign. when the deal was briefly cancelled, i said "good job, trump".
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good job by trump, cancelling the meeting.
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you can see why he wanted to do this thing. everyone knows it's nothing but a pr campaign, yet the everyone, from the jaded media down to naive little katkid, can not help themselves from fawning.
which policy or set of circumstances are we comparing this summit to?
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pre-summit status quo? i'm not sure i understand your question.
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I'm glad we opened a dialogue with NK.
It's laughable that the great deal-making president gave up war games for absolutely nothing. If dax was pissed at the Iran deal, I can't wait to see his outrage about a deal in which we received literally nothing in return.
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I'm glad we opened a dialogue with NK.
It's laughable that the great deal-making president gave up war games for absolutely nothing. If dax was pissed at the Iran deal, I can't wait to see his outrage about a deal in which we received literally nothing in return.
to be fair, if we get "absolutely nothing" out of this, then i doubt we give up the exercises.
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tom cotton makes a strong argument, any nukeless country should start development asap.
https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1006522861627101184
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https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/1006610720954486786
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Are these the same reporters fawning during the Olympics and said "Kim Jong Un's sister steals the show?"
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i'm impressed that we plan to break the agreement before north korea gets around to it.
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Are these the same reporters fawning during the Olympics and said "Kim Jong Un's sister steals the show?"
Maybe if they also cover sports on NBC or something.
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I'm glad we opened a dialogue with NK.
It's laughable that the great deal-making president gave up war games for absolutely nothing. If dax was pissed at the Iran deal, I can't wait to see his outrage about a deal in which we received literally nothing in return.
to be fair, if we get "absolutely nothing" out of this, then i doubt we give up the exercises.
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1006609720394821634?s=21
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pre-summit status quo? i'm not sure i understand your question.
You thought it was better when Trump was calling KJU names and there was seemingly legit talk about a first strike by the US?
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:)
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1006613004715216897
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I honestly didn't expect the summit to be this entertaining.
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tom cotton makes a strong argument, any nukeless country should start development asap.
https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1006522861627101184
maybe we can just start a pre-emptive war with every non-nuclear country to prevent them from getting nukes.
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I honestly didn't expect the summit to be this entertaining.
For a while, it was just KJU, Trump, and their interpreters in a room. No one outside of those four has a clue about what they said to each other.
:lol:
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More!
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1006610105289400320
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i would think that any nukeless country already had plenty of incentive to get nukes.
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https://twitter.com/SenCoryGardner/status/1006615397603389440
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1006609720394821634
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I'm glad we opened a dialogue with NK.
It's laughable that the great deal-making president gave up war games for absolutely nothing. If dax was pissed at the Iran deal, I can't wait to see his outrage about a deal in which we received literally nothing in return.
to be fair, if we get "absolutely nothing" out of this, then i doubt we give up the exercises.
How dare you call into to question the likelihood their nevertrump fan fiction will come true. :shakesfist:
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i would think that any nukeless country already had plenty of incentive to get nukes.
Libya or Iraq is a way better example than N. Korea anyway.
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pre-summit status quo? i'm not sure i understand your question.
You thought it was better when Trump was calling KJU names and there was seemingly legit talk about a first strike by the US?
i did not think it was wise to insult and provoke kju. i think it would have been better to stop doing that rather than stop doing that and also stage summit theatre.
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I'm glad we opened a dialogue with NK.
It's laughable that the great deal-making president gave up war games for absolutely nothing. If dax was pissed at the Iran deal, I can't wait to see his outrage about a deal in which we received literally nothing in return.
to be fair, if we get "absolutely nothing" out of this, then i doubt we give up the exercises.
How dare you call into to question the likelihood their nevertrump fan fiction will come true. :shakesfist:
Pence's press secretary is a strange source for nevertrump fan fic
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maybe we can just start a pre-emptive war with every non-nuclear country to prevent them from getting nukes.
north korea isn't going to denuclearize, but there's a chance trump can convince 'pubs they don't need to worry about north korea having nukes after all, which would be a significant accomplishment.
engaging with your strawmen is very nearly as tedious as engaging with wackycat's strawmen.
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i would think that any nukeless country already had plenty of incentive to get nukes.
Libya or Iraq is a way better example than N. Korea anyway.
for a while, we tried to pull the wool over all their eyes with talk of incentivizing desirable behavior. fortunately that sort of foolishness is in the past.
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maybe we can just start a pre-emptive war with every non-nuclear country to prevent them from getting nukes.
north korea isn't going to denuclearize, but there's a chance trump can convince 'pubs they don't need to worry about north korea having nukes after all, which would be a significant accomplishment.
engaging with your strawmen is very nearly as tedious as engaging with wackycat's strawmen.
I was referring to Tom Cotton who already wants to start a 3-4 front war against our enemies. you seemed to endorse his logic. I like that quote a lot better about not caring as much about a nuclear n korea?
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tom cotton doesn't post here, which is where i must have gotten confused.
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https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/694516002
This article says Congressional Leftocrats are critical of Trump making peace; he gave up too much or didn't press on human rights or was too respectful of Kim.
Duuuur stupid bastards. He got the start of a deal to rid the world of nukes and take away the toys of a deminted fat boy. I say if he had to kiss Kim's butt to get a deal that is okay. Coolnothings Obama looked good, but did nothing but drive us closer to Nuclear war with NK.
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tom cotton makes a strong argument, any nukeless country should start development asap.
https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1006522861627101184
maybe we can just start a pre-emptive war with every non-nuclear country to prevent them from getting nukes.
Better yet, get them to cease all pursuit of WMD's, have them actively fighting entities like Al Qaeda and then go in and overthrow their government leaving the country in ruins.
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pre-summit status quo? i'm not sure i understand your question.
You thought it was better when Trump was calling KJU names and there was seemingly legit talk about a first strike by the US?
Do you see us being more likely or less likely to be right back to that 6 months from now?
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1006446738016755712
https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1006634916359090176
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tom cotton doesn't post here, which is where i must have gotten confused.
tom cotton makes a strong argument, any nukeless country should start development asap.
I get that I could be more clear, but you said that and then posted a big cotton quote. Sorry, I didn't remember the post from a month ago where you said something else.
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i don't expect you to remember my previous posts. i do expect that if the two of us are engaged in a conversation, your arguments will be directed at what you think i am saying or what you think i think. if you want to address cotton's statement directly you could insert a little clarifier like "maybe cotton..."
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tom cotton makes a strong argument, any nukeless country should start development asap.
https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1006522861627101184
maybe we can just start a pre-emptive war with every non-nuclear country to prevent them from getting nukes.
Better yet, get them to cease all pursuit of WMD's, have them actively fighting entities like Al Qaeda and then go in and overthrow their government leaving the country in ruins.
I agree Libya was bad.
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i don't expect you to remember my previous posts. i do expect that if the two of us are engaged in a conversation, your arguments will be directed at what you think i am saying or what you think i think. if you want to address cotton's statement directly you could insert a little clarifier like "maybe cotton..."
Your quote made me think you agreed with tom cotton. the context of cotton's world view was what I was referencing (which you seemed to endorse?!). But I didn't re-read the whole thread or print out your posts and put a cork board together so I guess I missed the subtle point you were making that was different (maybe?).
Your posting on here is now largely inscrutable for me, but you are constantly getting mad when no I can't figure out wtf you are talking about. A good combo, very enjoyable for me.
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i would have thought it was obvious that my commentary above cotton's statement was ironic.
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Poe's Law snares us all at some point in time.
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mutual admiration society.
https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/1006651598360080389
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Why is it hard to understand that the concept of being "Libya'd" or "Iraq'd" or "Syria'd" by the United States and its partners is a very real thing?
What does the most technologically advanced military in the world, with decades worth experience in war or preparation for war on the Korean Peninsula stand to gain by yet another drill during these times?
Nothing.
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Full throat support from dax....
Why is it hard to understand that the concept of being "Libya'd" or "Iraq'd" or "Syria'd" by the United States and its partners is a very real thing?
What does the most technologically advanced military in the world, with decades worth experience in war or preparation for war on the Korean Peninsula stand to gain by yet another drill during these times?
Nothing.
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https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1006659006671278081?s=21
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Nvm, sys already posted
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article212960759.html
There are at least a few rational ProgLibs.
What was Chuckie's stance on the utterly meaningless Iranian Nuclear unsigned MOU?
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article212960759.html
There are at least a few rational ProgLibs.
What was Chuckie's stance on the utterly meaningless Iranian Nuclear unsigned MOU?
You voted for the guy whose only claim was make good deals and he did this to you vs a vastly inferior country. For shame dax...for shame.
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article212960759.html
There are at least a few rational ProgLibs.
What was Chuckie's stance on the utterly meaningless Iranian Nuclear unsigned MOU?
You voted for the guy whose only claim was make good deals and he did this to you vs a vastly inferior country. For shame dax...for shame.
By using the term "Vastly Inferior" are you talking militarily?
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It's a good thing Trump likes KJU well enough to be willing to tolerate this stuff.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1006660179281235968
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article212960759.html
There are at least a few rational ProgLibs.
What was Chuckie's stance on the utterly meaningless Iranian Nuclear unsigned MOU?
You voted for the guy whose only claim was make good deals and he did this to you vs a vastly inferior country. For shame dax...for shame.
By using the term "Vastly Inferior" are you talking militarily?
In any way you want to take it. What a disappointment.
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It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
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It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
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It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil. Which is sad. Unless of course it's a situation where your guy actually gets nothing and/or kicks the can down the road, all-the-while ensuring that a terror state is well funded. (not to mention producing no document that could actually be called a treaty or even gets presented for approval to the people's representatives).
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Just so everyone is on the same page, trump had absolutely nothing to do with this
Gold!
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It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil.
“I will have a military that’s so strong and powerful, and so respected, we’re not gonna have to nukeanybody
"As part of our defense, we must modernize and rebuild our nuclear arsenal, hopefully never having to use it, but making it so strong and so powerful that it will deter any acts of aggression by any other nation or anyone else,"
You voted for the guy who wants to be unpredictable with nukes and rebuild them....and now is giving an audience to a reclusive dictator committing horrible things to his own people....and gave up war games...but didn't have time for the other stuff. Lol, dax....lol
Maybe you'll get a free stay in the new Trump North Korea resort for your efforts.
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It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil.
“I will have a military that’s so strong and powerful, and so respected, we’re not gonna have to nukeanybody (how many billions of dollars did the military budget increase? Sadly)
"As part of our defense, we must modernize and rebuild our nuclear arsenal, hopefully never having to use it, but making it so strong and so powerful that it will deter any acts of aggression by any other nation or anyone else," (the problem here friend, is that your guy already signed off on the most expensive nuclear modernization program the world has ever seen).
You voted for the guy who wants to be unpredictable with nukes and rebuild them....and now is giving an audience to a reclusive dictator committing horrible things to his own people....and gave up war games...but didn't have time for the other stuff. Lol, dax....lol (fascinating considering your guy legitimized 2 brutal regimes: One in Tehran, and another in Havana. One of which now has troops on the border of the only secular non-Muslim ally the United States has left in the Middle East).
Maybe you'll get a free stay in the new Trump North Korea resort for your efforts.
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It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil.
“I will have a military that’s so strong and powerful, and so respected, we’re not gonna have to nukeanybody (how many billions of dollars did the military budget increase? Sadly)
"As part of our defense, we must modernize and rebuild our nuclear arsenal, hopefully never having to use it, but making it so strong and so powerful that it will deter any acts of aggression by any other nation or anyone else," (the problem here friend, is that your guy already signed off on the most expensive nuclear modernization program the world has ever seen).
You voted for the guy who wants to be unpredictable with nukes and rebuild them....and now is giving an audience to a reclusive dictator committing horrible things to his own people....and gave up war games...but didn't have time for the other stuff. Lol, dax....lol (fascinating considering your guy legitimized 2 brutal regimes: One in Tehran, and another in Havana. One of which now has troops on the border of the only secular non-Muslim ally the United States has left in the Middle East).
Maybe you'll get a free stay in the new Trump North Korea resort for your efforts.
So not for legitimizing NK. Great to hear. Hard to pull that out of you.
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It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil.
“I will have a military that’s so strong and powerful, and so respected, we’re not gonna have to nukeanybody (how many billions of dollars did the military budget increase? Sadly)
"As part of our defense, we must modernize and rebuild our nuclear arsenal, hopefully never having to use it, but making it so strong and so powerful that it will deter any acts of aggression by any other nation or anyone else," (the problem here friend, is that your guy already signed off on the most expensive nuclear modernization program the world has ever seen).
You voted for the guy who wants to be unpredictable with nukes and rebuild them....and now is giving an audience to a reclusive dictator committing horrible things to his own people....and gave up war games...but didn't have time for the other stuff. Lol, dax....lol (fascinating considering your guy legitimized 2 brutal regimes: One in Tehran, and another in Havana. One of which now has troops on the border of the only secular non-Muslim ally the United States has left in the Middle East).
Maybe you'll get a free stay in the new Trump North Korea resort for your efforts.
So not for legitimizing NK. Great to hear. Hard to pull that out of you.
Sadly, the era of "no engagement and/or facilitation" (aka Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama) only allowed NK to develop more nuclear weapons, more powerful nuclear weapons, more missiles and eventually intercontinental ballistic missiles. The last of which they were firing all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies.
But judging by your bent, you would have preferred war, which would have killed tens of thousands of people.
Not a good look, Phil.
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I am kind of concerned that the MSNBC line that Trump is "weak on dictators" will just mean that all the usual neo-con/nat sec crap heads will just find a new permanent home in the Democratic party in perpetuity.
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It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil.
“I will have a military that’s so strong and powerful, and so respected, we’re not gonna have to nukeanybody (how many billions of dollars did the military budget increase? Sadly)
"As part of our defense, we must modernize and rebuild our nuclear arsenal, hopefully never having to use it, but making it so strong and so powerful that it will deter any acts of aggression by any other nation or anyone else," (the problem here friend, is that your guy already signed off on the most expensive nuclear modernization program the world has ever seen).
You voted for the guy who wants to be unpredictable with nukes and rebuild them....and now is giving an audience to a reclusive dictator committing horrible things to his own people....and gave up war games...but didn't have time for the other stuff. Lol, dax....lol (fascinating considering your guy legitimized 2 brutal regimes: One in Tehran, and another in Havana. One of which now has troops on the border of the only secular non-Muslim ally the United States has left in the Middle East).
Maybe you'll get a free stay in the new Trump North Korea resort for your efforts.
So not for legitimizing NK. Great to hear. Hard to pull that out of you.
Sadly, the era of "no engagement and/or facilitation" (aka Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama) only allowed NK to develop more nuclear weapons, more powerful nuclear weapons, more missiles and eventually intercontinental ballistic missiles. The last of which they were firing all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies.
But judging by your bent, you would have preferred war, which would have killed tens of thousands of people.
Not a good look, Phil.
I'm bent because the dealmaker went to Asia and got taken by lil rocket man. It's one thing I hoped Trump could do...make deals. All he has shown is to make a mess of deals we have and legatimize NK and not get anything in return. Farce.
War is your thing...that's pretty obv
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I'm not sure what "legitimizing" NK means. Like, the Kim dynasty has been ruling for 70 years. They're pretty legitimate regardless of whether Trump meets with them.
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I'm not sure what "legitimizing" NK means. Like, the Kim dynasty has been ruling for 70 years. They're pretty legitimate regardless of whether Trump meets with them.
By the fact of a meeting with the American president for the first time, in full view of a media blitz and the world public, Kim Jong-un will have legitimized North Korea (also known as the DPRK) internationally, something no North Korean leader has achieved since 1950. If Kim gets nothing else from such a meeting, that is already a huge achievement for the leader of the world’s most isolated, repressive, and sanctioned state.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/03/12/understanding-the-big-downsides-and-potential-benefits-of-the-proposed-trump-kim-meeting/
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I'm not sure what "legitimizing" NK means. Like, the Kim dynasty has been ruling for 70 years. They're pretty legitimate regardless of whether Trump meets with them.
By the fact of a meeting with the American president for the first time, in full view of a media blitz and the world public, Kim Jong-un will have legitimized North Korea (also known as the DPRK) internationally, something no North Korean leader has achieved since 1950. If Kim gets nothing else from such a meeting, that is already a huge achievement for the leader of the world’s most isolated, repressive, and sanctioned state.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/03/12/understanding-the-big-downsides-and-potential-benefits-of-the-proposed-trump-kim-meeting/
Pardon my curtness, but so what?
The previous strategy led us to the brink of nuclear war and kept SK in a state of perpetual paranoia. Maybe it was time to have a talk.
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I'm not sure what "legitimizing" NK means. Like, the Kim dynasty has been ruling for 70 years. They're pretty legitimate regardless of whether Trump meets with them.
By the fact of a meeting with the American president for the first time, in full view of a media blitz and the world public, Kim Jong-un will have legitimized North Korea (also known as the DPRK) internationally, something no North Korean leader has achieved since 1950. If Kim gets nothing else from such a meeting, that is already a huge achievement for the leader of the world’s most isolated, repressive, and sanctioned state.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/03/12/understanding-the-big-downsides-and-potential-benefits-of-the-proposed-trump-kim-meeting/
Pardon my curtness, but so what?
The previous strategy led us to the brink of nuclear war and kept SK in a state of perpetual paranoia. Maybe it was time to have a talk.
:ck:
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https://twitter.com/mikehfuchs/status/1006518879034757120
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I'm not sure what "legitimizing" NK means. Like, the Kim dynasty has been ruling for 70 years. They're pretty legitimate regardless of whether Trump meets with them.
By the fact of a meeting with the American president for the first time, in full view of a media blitz and the world public, Kim Jong-un will have legitimized North Korea (also known as the DPRK) internationally, something no North Korean leader has achieved since 1950. If Kim gets nothing else from such a meeting, that is already a huge achievement for the leader of the world’s most isolated, repressive, and sanctioned state.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/03/12/understanding-the-big-downsides-and-potential-benefits-of-the-proposed-trump-kim-meeting/
Pardon my curtness, but so what?
The previous strategy led us to the brink of nuclear war and kept SK in a state of perpetual paranoia. Maybe it was time to have a talk.
I agree... But...
I think most people are apprehensive that the person representing the US in that talk is a blow hard moron that has no idea what he's doing.
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https://twitter.com/mikehfuchs/status/1006518879034757120
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/)
Published 12:00 p.m. ET July 28, 2016
PYONGYANG, North Korea — North Korea’s top diplomat for U.S. affairs told The Associated Press on Thursday that Washington “crossed the red line” and effectively declared war by putting leader Kim Jong Un on its list of sanctioned individuals, and said a vicious showdown could erupt if the U.S. and South Korea hold annual war games as planned next month.
:dunno:
DPRK has always been shouting rhetoric at the US and "declaring war." The difference over the last year or so is that they were actually (or at least on their way to becoming) a viable nuclear threat.
I agree... But...
I think most people are apprehensive that the person representing the US in that talk is a blow hard moron that has no idea what he's doing.
Sure - me too. But that's a separate issue.
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https://twitter.com/mikehfuchs/status/1006518879034757120
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/)
Published 12:00 p.m. ET July 28, 2016
PYONGYANG, North Korea — North Korea’s top diplomat for U.S. affairs told The Associated Press on Thursday that Washington “crossed the red line” and effectively declared war by putting leader Kim Jong Un on its list of sanctioned individuals, and said a vicious showdown could erupt if the U.S. and South Korea hold annual war games as planned next month.
:dunno:
DPRK has always been shouting rhetoric at the US and "declaring war." The difference over the last year or so is that they were actually (or at least on their way to becoming) a viable nuclear threat.
It's hard for me to imagine someone else (e.g. Obama or Clinton) changing policy types in the last year or so.
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https://twitter.com/mikehfuchs/status/1006518879034757120
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/)
Published 12:00 p.m. ET July 28, 2016
PYONGYANG, North Korea — North Korea’s top diplomat for U.S. affairs told The Associated Press on Thursday that Washington “crossed the red line” and effectively declared war by putting leader Kim Jong Un on its list of sanctioned individuals, and said a vicious showdown could erupt if the U.S. and South Korea hold annual war games as planned next month.
:dunno:
DPRK has always been shouting rhetoric at the US and "declaring war." The difference over the last year or so is that they were actually (or at least on their way to becoming) a viable nuclear threat.
It's hard for me to imagine someone else (e.g. Obama or Clinton) changing policy types in the last year or so.
Maybe you're right and they wouldn't have changed policy type after Kim made actual legitimate nuclear threats and had the capability of carrying out those threats, but it comforts me to believe that anyone elected president would consider changing the policy under those circumstances.
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it comforts me to believe that anyone elected president would consider changing the policy under those circumstances.
Independent of their true motives? Just curious.
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I mean the thread got super serious but can we talk about ‘The Beast’?! Holy crap that whole thing is amaze balls.
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I mean the thread got super serious but can we talk about ‘The Beast’?! Holy crap that whole thing is amaze balls.
It's weird you'd let any non friendly within spitting distance of it
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it comforts me to believe that anyone elected president would consider changing the policy under those circumstances.
Independent of their true motives? Just curious.
I don't know what you mean.
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poor canada. at least now they know they need to aim some nukes at us if they want to be friends.
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I am kind of concerned that the MSNBC line that Trump is "weak on dictators" will just mean that all the usual neo-con/nat sec crap heads will just find a new permanent home in the Democratic party in perpetuity.
born on pax americana and thinks he hit a triple.
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It typically takes the libtard 24-48 hours to get it's talking points in a row as to way a great american succes isn't good at all, so I'm impressed by their ability to get this one dobe in about 18 hours. I especially like the reliance on NK state run propoganda to support their insane talking points, that was a fab touch.
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i'm sorry, but we've NEVER been "close to the brink of nuclear war" with NK. what a laughable idea.
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i'm sorry, but we've NEVER been "close to the brink of nuclear war" with NK. what a laughable idea.
That was the libtard rhetoric like 6 months ago. Nobody said it was true (except the libtard)
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i'm sorry, but we've NEVER been "close to the brink of nuclear war" with NK. what a laughable idea.
No? My memory of the January news cycle must be fading...
Nope, it appears to be pretty spot on:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/01/25/doomsday-clock-ticks-closer-midnight/1064911001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/01/25/doomsday-clock-ticks-closer-midnight/1064911001/)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/joe-biden-believes-u-s-is-closer-than-ever-to-nuclear-war (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/joe-biden-believes-u-s-is-closer-than-ever-to-nuclear-war)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-us-pressure-north-korea-20180116-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-us-pressure-north-korea-20180116-story.html)
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/31/politics/north-korea-trump-mullen-graham/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/31/politics/north-korea-trump-mullen-graham/index.html)
Regardless, if we weren't at the brink of nuclear war (despite NK ostensibly having the means to send a nuclear bomb to the US) then what do we care if north korea has nukes in the first place? How much closer should we have gotten before we pumped the breaks and began a dialogue that legitimizes North Korea?
The bottom line is that the old way (isolate DPRK because they weren't a legitimate nuclear threat) was untenable after DPRK developed nuclear capabilities, imo.
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It typically takes the libtard 24-48 hours to get it's talking points in a row as to way a great american succes isn't good at all, so I'm impressed by their ability to get this one dobe in about 18 hours. I especially like the reliance on NK state run propoganda to support their insane talking points, that was a fab touch.
That was Trump's video.
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I mean, maybe people think Trump is actually doing something here because they just don't understand that everything he's ever done in his life is based on fraud. :dunno:
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1006892351262941186
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:lol:
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we truly live in the golden age of grifting (not specific to Trump)
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According to North Korea media, Trump agreed to lift sanctions. I honestly don't know if they are lying or not.
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According to North Korea media, Trump agreed to lift sanctions. I honestly don't know if they are lying or not.
Why wouldn't that be true?
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I mean, maybe people think Trump is actually doing something here because they just don't understand that everything he's ever done in his life is based on fraud. :dunno:
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1006892351262941186
yup, saletan has it exactly right. i'd quibble with your characterization, though, chum1. trump is achieving exactly what hopes.
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Anyone using 2016 reference point relative to the NK in the last 6 months is a straight out idiot.
What Frum should be discussing is how the era of non engagement/appeasement which spanned decades prior to Trump yielded a ICBM capable NK and on the road to a deliverable ICBM warhead capable NK.
The LibBot take is :lol: in the context that we and our allies quite literally placed our collective military's on alert because NK missiles were flying in their general direction.
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According to North Korea media, Trump agreed to lift sanctions. I honestly don't know if they are lying or not.
Why wouldn't that be true?
if you don't assume that trump is lying at almost all times, you might think it wouldn't be true since trump said we aren't.
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One day it's "NK troops will be marching straight into Seoul", the next day it's "it's a Trump Con Job" from LibBot Nation.
Yes, these are indeed fantastic times.
The most fantastic thing about this, is the restraint. They way in which NK conducted their test launches could easily have been considered an act of war. LibBots simply only want one thing, whatever is Anti-Trump.
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They're anject hatred towards Trump, and really all pubs or anyone with a different pov, is becoming quite disgusting. They live in an ever dwindling echo chamber.
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One day it's "NK troops will be marching straight into Seoul", the next day it's "it's a Trump Con Job" from LibBot Nation.
Yes, these are indeed fantastic times.
The most fantastic thing about this, is the restraint. They way in which NK conducted their test launches could easily have been considered an act of war. LibBots simply only want one thing, whatever is Anti-Trump.
Given Trump says both sides of every single topic not sure that's possible...but boogeymen aren't going to fight themselves.
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One day it's "NK troops will be marching straight into Seoul", the next day it's "it's a Trump Con Job" from LibBot Nation.
Yes, these are indeed fantastic times.
The most fantastic thing about this, is the restraint. They way in which NK conducted their test launches could easily have been considered an act of war. LibBots simply only want one thing, whatever is Anti-Trump.
Given Trump says both sides of every single topic not sure that's possible...but boogeymen aren't going to fight themselves.
I was simply paraphrasing the rantings of LibBot nation.
Again, the refusal of LibBot nation to recognize the abject failure of the previous 8 years prior to Trump to deal with the NK nuclear situation is deafening in tone, and massive in scope. But in the context of the giant F- that was Obama's foreign policy, not surprising.
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Remember the libtard whining about the "party of no".
It's AMAZE to behold
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According to North Korea media, Trump agreed to lift sanctions. I honestly don't know if they are lying or not.
Why wouldn't that be true?
if you don't assume that trump is lying at almost all times, you might think it wouldn't be true since trump said we aren't.
I would expect that we agreed to lift some sanctions conditioned on counter obligations (i.e. denuclearization) on the part of NK. I think that's how most international agreements work.
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Remember the libtard whining about the "party of no".
It's AMAZE to behold
The list of people/entities/things that Libs now agree with/are complicit with is astounding when compared to the backdrop of History. They're quite literally all over the map, and frankly, maniacal at this juncture. All because Hillary didn't win.
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I would expect that we agreed to lift some sanctions conditioned on counter obligations (i.e. denuclearization) on the part of NK. I think that's how most international agreements work.
i also assume that trump made non-public assurances on the subject of sanctions and other concessions. however; i don't think that is typical of how international aggreements work.
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I would expect that we agreed to lift some sanctions conditioned on counter obligations (i.e. denuclearization) on the part of NK. I think that's how most international agreements work.
i also assume that trump made non-public assurances on the subject of sanctions and other concessions. however; i don't think that is typical of how international aggreements work.
:dunno:
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Does this fall into treaty territory or some loophole that doesn’t require congressional approval
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Does this fall into treaty territory or some loophole that doesn’t require congressional approval
Congressional approval for what? Apparently we either signed a paper promising to stop war exercises or with both parties promising nothing.
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The Iran deal was a “political commitment” I guess this falls under the same weird category.
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The Iran deal was a “political commitment” I guess this falls under the same weird category.
Hopefully Trump doesn't take same approach.
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The Iran deal was a “political commitment” I guess this falls under the same weird category.
Hopefully Trump doesn't take same approach.
Great post and heard a montage of of pundits after the worthless Iranian Nuclear, non-signed MOU. Universally lauded as an unparralled piece of diplomacy . . . before they were aware of the $5.2 billion plus in cash, of course.
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Does this fall into treaty territory or some loophole that doesn’t require congressional approval
Presidents can sign treatys, they need 2/3rds approval from the Senate to be ratified. There are lots of treaties the US is signatory to but can't get ratified like Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, Paris, Banning Landmines. But the President has pretty wide powers to withdraw from treaties. George W. Bush got lots of criticism for withdrawing from the ABM to try and build a missile defense system, but I am pretty sure he was able to do it without congressional approval and the ABM was ratified.
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https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1006956678674296832
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Lol
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https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2018/06/283183.htm (https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2018/06/283183.htm)
If you want to see the whole context/transcript.
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That makes him look even worse
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That makes him look even worse
I honestly couldn't tell which question he was pissed about. I think he was pissed that they kept referring to "irreversible" and "verifiable" not being in the document when he already said that "complete" encompassed those two terms.
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I think he was pissed that they kept referring to "irreversible" and "verifiable" not being in the document when he already said that "complete" encompassed those two terms.
the journalists may have thought the public would desire more details because complete does not encompass those two terms.
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I think he was pissed that they kept referring to "irreversible" and "verifiable" not being in the document when he already said that "complete" encompassed those two terms.
the journalists may have thought the public would desire more details because complete does not encompass those two terms.
I dunno, man. I just posted the transcript because I think his bizarre "insulting" remark was referring to a different question than what was posted in the tweet.
I think it's weird too.
But I do have a lot more faith in Pompeo than I do Trump.
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I do have a lot more faith in Pompeo than I do Trump.
pompeo is an ambitious man.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/404926289569939456
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/404926289569939456
Somebody is adding these after the fact, right?
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gotta salute the troops
https://twitter.com/BBCMonitoring/status/1007152848847634433
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I mean, I don't GAF who he or anyone else salutes. it's a meaningless gesture and he's obviously a confused old man. however, it's very fun to think about the reaction this would have gotten had Obama been this big of a buffoon and done the same thing.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/20/trump-shakes-hands-with-saudi-leader-doesnt-bow-as-obama-appeared-to-do.html
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Yah in the grand scheme of trump effups in 500 days....that one ranks right down there at the bottom.
I mean, I don't GAF who he or anyone else salutes. it's a meaningless gesture and he's obviously a confused old man. however, it's very fun to think about the reaction this would have gotten had Obama been this big of a buffoon and done the same thing.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/20/trump-shakes-hands-with-saudi-leader-doesnt-bow-as-obama-appeared-to-do.html
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1007029901071970306?s=21
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Trump saluting shows that he views KJU as his commanding officer
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He said he wasn't going to over prepare and he is a man of his word
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So the parents of U.S. soldiers killed in the Korean War asked Trump to get the remains of their sons home....
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So the parents of U.S. soldiers killed in the Korean War asked Trump to get the remains of their sons home....
that's what he said
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So the parents of U.S. soldiers killed in the Korean War asked Trump to get the remains of their sons home....
imagine the impact a 120 year old women hobbling up to you and asking for her son's remains to be returned home to her. of course he was going to get this thing done.
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https://twitter.com/marykissel/status/1006974811229315073
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It must be exhausting to defend this guy
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There was like 4 posts right in a row of new crap that would have been a month long Fox news discussion if Barrack did them...woof.
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Yah in the grand scheme of trump effups in 500 days....that one ranks right down there at the bottom.I mean, I don't GAF who he or anyone else salutes. it's a meaningless gesture and he's obviously a confused old man. however, it's very fun to think about the reaction this would have gotten had Obama been this big of a buffoon and done the same thing.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/20/trump-shakes-hands-with-saudi-leader-doesnt-bow-as-obama-appeared-to-do.html
Foxnews :curse:
Can you imagine the fawning from literally every new source if b.o. had negotiated complete denuke with NK????
#libtards
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Of course b.o. was not capable of that. Best case some unsupervised econ sanction and a cargo plane full american cash for new weapons.
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Trump saluting shows that he views KJU as his commanding officer
lol at KJU's face
https://twitter.com/JasonIsbell/status/1007275243587670016
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Yah in the grand scheme of trump effups in 500 days....that one ranks right down there at the bottom.I mean, I don't GAF who he or anyone else salutes. it's a meaningless gesture and he's obviously a confused old man. however, it's very fun to think about the reaction this would have gotten had Obama been this big of a buffoon and done the same thing.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/20/trump-shakes-hands-with-saudi-leader-doesnt-bow-as-obama-appeared-to-do.html
Foxnews :curse:
Can you imagine the fawning from literally every new source if b.o. had negotiated complete denuke with NK????
#libtards
Did Trump denuke NK?
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literally every president we've had since reagan has completely denuclearized north korea. it's a rite of passage.
https://www.wired.com/story/north-korea-summit-denuclearize-history/
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How many of them have called for stopping joint military excercises though?!
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https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/1007385514725568518
we will invade canada within the year.
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Really loving the analogies here:
1980's NK . . . no real WMD delivery option besides artillery (no ability to make warheads small enough), short range rockets (no technology to make a nuclear warhead small enough), gravity bombs (no technology to make a nuclear gravity bomb small enough for their 1980's air force to carry)
2018 NK . . . on the cusp of both ICBM capability and developing payload deliverable warheads (thanks to 20 years of appeasement, placation and non engagement)
Please keep posting the idiocy SysBot.
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https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/06/13/centrists-are-very-concerned-that-donald-rough ridin'-trump-isnt-hawkish-enough/
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I talked to someone who was in South Korea last week and she said that South Koreans are cautiously optimistic.
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80% of them like their president, I think they must be an agreeable bunch.
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How many Americans approved the summit?
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1009564859720241153
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1011777579844595713
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https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1012822744935927808
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Historic....
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So weird.
LibBots touted an unsigned meaningless memorandum of understanding (bought for $5.2 billion) with a terrorist state with a deplorable human rights record as: Historic
LibBots (and I know you guys hate history) were filled with joy at this sight. A nation that repeatedly violated nearly every provision of the SALT treaties and with an appalling human rights record
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:confused:
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https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1012822744935927808
these are so easy to win
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dunked on by lil rocket man :facepalm:
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it's another work, you rubes
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https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1013236749970092032
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You’d think Garry would understand how these things work.
He’s been around long enough to know that things like this are often photo shoots. Khrushchev traveling around the US (for example) kissing babies on farms in Iowa changed nothing about the US-Soviet dynamic and hundreds of thousands of people died anyway in the “domino wars”.
Thankfully there is no war on the Korean Peninsula, and hopefully some good will come from this.
Thanks for posting SysBot (but without comment as usual).
Haters of history respond below.
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https://twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/1013562974013800448
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They're not going to disarm until he gets his Nobel Peace Prize.
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Just as Trump promised.
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https://twitter.com/KingstonAReif/status/1015217843116367879
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Dax, thoughts? See if you can leave Obama, Clinton, etc. out of it too.
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I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.
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I think denuclearizing NK is a issue of huge importance and I hope we can get it done. I assume that the only way it happens is we blow it up though...
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I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.
Ty! :clap:
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I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.
i'm not rooting against a korean peace deal. i'm rooting for other people to understand that there is no possibility of a peace deal to exist within the framework announced.
as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
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I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.
i'm not rooting against a korean peace deal. i'm rooting for other people to understand that there is no possibility of a peace deal to exist within the framework announced.
as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Well, North Korea is definitely going to have nukes and it is definitely in our interest to forge an agreement that both provides peace and security to the Korean peninsula that doesn't involve us having an enormous military presence on hair trigger there and de-escalating the rhetoric (that, yes, Trump himself recklessly escalated) and avoiding a war.
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I just fundamentally don't care what Trump supporters believe. They are completely divorced from reality. Why even bother worrying about their justifications for things? They don't care about your attempts to "fact check" them and they will reverse engineer any reason to support Trump. We already know this.
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i don't believe we can have a democracy where voters do not accept reality and i'm not willing to abandon trump voters as incapable of returning to some semi-coherent understanding of the world.
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i don't believe we can have a democracy where voters do not accept reality and i'm not willing to abandon trump voters as incapable of returning to some semi-coherent understanding of the world.
lol ok. good luck with all that.
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Nothing has changed politically between the two parties. Both sides believe and hear what they want to better for their agenda. Sys acting like this is new, is stunning, but here we are. Just the fact that we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace is huge. Stop trying to fact check your way to finding holes in this.
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lol ok. good luck with all that.
there's no alternative.
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lol ok. good luck with all that.
there's no alternative.
sure there is. start talking to and getting to vote people that currently don't vote. it is a much bigger slice of the population and they are actually persuadable.
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agree with kk
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sure there is. start talking to and getting to vote people that currently don't vote. it is a much bigger slice of the population and they are actually persuadable.
there's no real reason to assume they differ dramatically from the population of voters, except for being somewhat less informed.
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Nothing has changed politically between the two parties. Both sides believe and hear what they want to better for their agenda. Sys acting like this is new, is stunning, but here we are. Just the fact that we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace is huge. Stop trying to fact check your way to finding holes in this.
Nothing has changed except for the republicans adopting a different agenda to match Trump's campaign rhetoric.
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Isn't there value in repeatedly confirming to ourselves that he is the dumbass we thought he was? Like in testing a scientific theory?
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Nothing has changed politically between the two parties. Both sides believe and hear what they want to better for their agenda. Sys acting like this is new, is stunning, but here we are. Just the fact that we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace is huge. Stop trying to fact check your way to finding holes in this.
Nothing has changed except for the republicans adopting a different agenda to match Trump's campaign rhetoric.
Democrats are doing the same thing with Bernie and that new socialist that just got voted in.
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sure there is. start talking to and getting to vote people that currently don't vote. it is a much bigger slice of the population and they are actually persuadable.
there's no real reason to assume they differ dramatically from the population of voters, except for being somewhat less informed.
what are you saying here? you think people that don't vote are as persuadable as Republican partisans?
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Nothing has changed politically between the two parties. Both sides believe and hear what they want to better for their agenda. Sys acting like this is new, is stunning, but here we are. Just the fact that we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace is huge. Stop trying to fact check your way to finding holes in this.
Nothing has changed except for the republicans adopting a different agenda to match Trump's campaign rhetoric.
Democrats are doing the same thing with Bernie and that new socialist that just got voted in.
I think it might be in their best interest to do that, but claiming that the party platform has changed to match the platform of a 28 year old who hasn't technically won her general election yet seems a bit premature. Also, her platform doesn't really have huge departures from the existing democratic platform. At least nothing like the republicans moving away from free trade.
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I think we all new crap was going to get stirred up with this monster, but he's still done some good, and I just hate that most libs are so enraged, they can't even acknowledge some of it. "Thanks Obama, they still have nukes tho, etc." It's just embarrassing.
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I think we all new crap was going to get stirred up with this monster, but he's still done some good, and I just hate that most libs are so enraged, they can't even acknowledge some of it. "Thanks Obama, they still have nukes tho, etc." It's just embarrassing.
Republicans definitely always told Obama good job when he did something good.
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I did. I wasn't so enraged not to foam at the mouth and not be able to applaud some of his efforts. He's by far the coolest, most cavalier president we've ever had. Besides Kennedy of course.
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sys you should study wackycat. He's almost a lab created amalgam of a trump voter. Convince him of anything...
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:lol: Problem is, nobody wants to listen or take ppl seriously when they start off calling all 'pubs racist, nazi's, spaghetti monster worshiping, gun loving ass hats. It's really hard to convince ppl when you're mocking them in the process.
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we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace
When did this happen?
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we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace
When did this happen?
google.com
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we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace
When did this happen?
Its chingon's proof that sys can't win
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That's what you guys got out of all of that. The intolerable left. Sad.
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I have to agree with kk, people who don't or rarely vote should be the target. Trump people are a lost cause, they don't care one bit about reality.
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In less than 10 min Wacky went from complaining about stereotyping and entire political side to stereotyping an entire political side. Incredible.
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Maybe start with the lib voters who wrote in a candidate from the message board to be president. That might help for starters.
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In less than 10 min Wacky went from complaining about stereotyping and entire political side to stereotyping an entire political side. Incredible.
I know, he's slowing down. Usually does it in the same post.
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That's what you guys got out of all of that. The intolerable left. Sad.
Intolerable :D
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there's no real reason to assume they differ dramatically from the population of voters, except for being somewhat less informed.
what are you saying here? you think people that don't vote are as persuadable as Republican partisans?
i'm saying they are fairly similar to voters in %s that are pro-trump and pro-reality. if you're talking about electoral strategy in 2018 and 2020, then i completely agree that dems should focus on turning out dem leaning non-voters and pubs should focus on turning out pub leaning non-voters.
i'm talking about for the next 5, 10, 20 and 50 years there is no alternative to having a large majority of the citizenry that agree on basic facts.
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sys you should study wackycat. He's almost a lab created amalgam of a trump voter. Convince him of anything...
he's a weathervane. a month after trump is out of office, wcat will claim he never believed any of trump's crap. a month after that he'll believe his claim.
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lol. You have no idea how I really believe.
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That's what you guys got out of all of that. The intolerable left. Sad.
Intolerable :D
so much for the tolerant right.
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We might as well rename the pit to sys's world, because it's all sys these days. :frown:
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lol. You have no idea how I really believe.
or what.
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totally
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sys you should study wackycat. He's almost a lab created amalgam of a trump voter. Convince him of anything...
he's a weathervane. a month after trump is out of office, wcat will claim he never believed any of trump's crap. a month after that he'll believe his claim.
Exactly
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eff off, chings.
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I think we all new crap was going to get stirred up with this monster, but he's still done some good, and I just hate that most libs are so enraged, they can't even acknowledge some of it. "Thanks Obama, they still have nukes tho, etc." It's just embarrassing.
:D
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there's no real reason to assume they differ dramatically from the population of voters, except for being somewhat less informed.
what are you saying here? you think people that don't vote are as persuadable as Republican partisans?
i'm saying they are fairly similar to voters in %s that are pro-trump and pro-reality. if you're talking about electoral strategy in 2018 and 2020, then i completely agree that dems should focus on turning out dem leaning non-voters and pubs should focus on turning out pub leaning non-voters.
i'm talking about for the next 5, 10, 20 and 50 years there is no alternative to having a large majority of the citizenry that agree on basic facts.
The only way to achieve that is to talk to people that aren’t yet engaged or involved, it is absolutely impossible to convince partisans.
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it is absolutely impossible to convince partisans.
trump has done it.
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it is absolutely impossible to convince partisans.
trump has done it.
No he didn't. Look you don't have to buy in to Political Science to know that Trump was not convincing "democratic partisans." I'm not trying to do a 'No true Scotsmen' argument here, we are talking about the 30-35% that belong to one of our two parties. Do you want proof of concept? IT WAS LITERALLY HILLARY'S STRATEGY AND IT FAILED MISERABLY!
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lol. You have no idea how I really believe.
You have your own board. :lol:
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Yeah, what’s your point? That I’m more entertaining than you? :dunno:
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I’d be willing to be a Trumper lab rat, let’s see if I can be convinced of something
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trump has done it.
No he didn't. Look you don't have to buy in to Political Science to know that Trump was not convincing "democratic partisans." I'm not trying to do a 'No true Scotsmen' argument here, we are talking about the 30-35% that belong to one of our two parties. Do you want proof of concept? IT WAS LITERALLY HILLARY'S STRATEGY AND IT FAILED MISERABLY!
you're mixing apples and oranges. i'm not saying republicans need to be convinced to become democrats or to agree with democratic policy. i'm saying they need to be convinced to return to a common culture where large majorities of both republicans and democrats agree on basic facts even if they disagree on policy.
trump (with a fair amount of help) effected a similar shift - but in the opposite direction. as well as shifting their thoughts on a broad spectrum of policy while retaining the republican identity.
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lol. You have no idea how I really believe.
You have your own board. :lol:
#SafeSpace
A place for Wacky to safely discuss what he wants, with who he wants, and how he wants.
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Run some of these basic facts that we should all mutually agree on that we don’t right now by me.
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lol. You have no idea how I really believe.
You have your own board. :lol:
#SafeSpace
A place for Wacky to safely discuss what he wants, with who he wants, and how he wants.
I know you’re new to this board and don’t get “it”, but if you ruffle a few libtarded feathers like chings (mod),they try to make an example out of you on their low traffic board. Lucky for you, you’ve chosen the follower crowd and ppl will just gloss over your incoherent shitty posts. Congrats!
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lol. You have no idea how I really believe.
You have your own board. :lol:
#SafeSpace
A place for Wacky to safely discuss what he wants, with who he wants, and how he wants.
I know you’re new to this board and don’t get “it”, but if you ruffle a few libtarded feathers like chings (mod),they try to make an example out of you on their low traffic board. Lucky for you, you’ve chosen the follower crowd and ppl will just gloss over your incoherent shitty posts. Congrats!
Some may gloss over them but you seem to be especially triggered by some of them. Yikes.
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I’ll bet sys realizes his basic facts are extreme as eff and he won’t tell us what they are.
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Because we Try to run off low Brown posters like yourself. It’s called poster intimidation. They’ve tried it with me since 2012 and have been unsuccessful. :gocho:
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More like they use you as a punching bag while they lick their wounds from their last tangle with Dax.
I kinda wish you identified as a ‘crat to be honest.
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Wacky’crat08
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Tubesock, I really dgaf what you think to be honest. I’m sure my more moderate republican leaning stance infuriates you. I was pretty laid back from the get go with low key posts and Trim brought me here to be a dick. For some reason this infuriated chings from the get go and instead of getting mad at me, he’s held a grudge towards me ever since.
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So what
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Lol
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I really dgaf what you think to be honest.
Most people would stop right there I think. If you want more and more attention I guess that’s when you just continue explaining why, in another 500 words.
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But here you are.
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Low hanging fruit is just too tempting.
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Until you can come up with a decent post other than eff Trump, no one will ever take you seriously.
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I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.
Oh, I'm definitely not rooting against a peace deal. I was very optimistic (and stunned) when it appeared Trump might actually be getting something done. Unfortunately, my suspicions were correct and nothing positive came of the summit. I am mostly just curious to hear from the people that fell for Trump's b.s. hook, line and sinker (again).
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Until you can come up with a decent post other than eff Trump, no one will ever take you seriously.
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Link to when I said that? Until you back up claims with actual facts nobody can take you seriously, but hey, you and Trump are alike in that respect.
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Jesus, how any renocat accounts are the mods gonna allow?
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Dc cat, what’s your political platform? I’d love to hear. Also, plz, back it up with economic sense while you’re at it.
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I love when a troll gets trolled :Keke:
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Lol. You really believe that, don’t you?
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I think it was the economic sense that got @bucket shaky at the knees tho
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At what costs though Wacks, at what costs?
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Libs: “let’s kill babies, it’s our choice!” Also libs: “This whole boarder control is mumped up. Sure Obama started this, but we lost an election goddamnit”
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At what costs though Wacks, at what costs?
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At what costs though Wacks, at what costs?
Ppl are working again, bud. I know you thought you could get away with it by being A lazy POS with a smoke in your hand, but he’s legit trying to help out the fake whiners too
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At what costs though Wacks, at what costs?
Ppl are working again, bud. I know you thought you could get away with it by being A lazy POS with a smoke in your hand, but he’s legit trying to help out the fake whiners too
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At what costs though Wacks, at what costs?
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Jesus, I knew it, bucket is too stoned to find a job.
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I'm very comfy but I'm sypmathetic to the "OTHERS" :runaway:
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He’s trying to help legalize weed. I knew this crap was personal with bucket. Jesus.
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Tapout. Tap! Tap!
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Lol
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Weed making an appearance again. Wacky is THE trump voter, exactly.
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Bucket lost an argument with weed, so he tapped out. Hope he doesn’t legalize it for your business. T’s & P’s of course.
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Weed making an appearance again. Wacky is THE trump voter, exactly.
???? huge illegal stoner
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Jeff sessions in the flesh(only when he wants to be), however when he wants the Wacky Tobacky, it’s legal. The many shades of Wacky.
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Who mentioned weed?
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Jfc, you two don’t totally get this site. Your high ass’s have been trolled AF.
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Hey, let's leave weed out of this, weed just wants to be buds with everyone
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:Wha:
Hypocrite!
I smoked weed one time in college and thought I was going to die after it. This guy has balls imo. Heroin is for the pro's.
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Hypocrites need to be an example of bud. These rooks suck hot ass.
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Hypocrites need to be an example of bud. These rooks suck hot ass.
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lol wut?
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Stop breaking the law bad person. dependent on illegal marijuana drugs. Jfc!
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I know ppl and you’re totally mumped, bud. Selling and abiding to Marijuana is at least 5 years these days. Good luck!
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Hey bud, what’s your address? Cops need to know. Just make it easy on yourself.
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:Wha:
Hypocrite!
I smoked weed one time in college and thought I was going to die after it. This guy has balls imo. Heroin is for the pro's.
Proven weed dealer trying to convince himself things are fine. Jfc, what a rough ridin' mess.
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Yikes.
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Only time these crazy drug dealers feel like they’re fine Is when the drug ring is done due to legalization from trump and they can’t wake up past noon to work. What a goddamn mess.
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Hey bud: your family thinks you’re beautiful and it’s not your fault!” :lol:
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Run some of these basic facts that we should all mutually agree on that we don’t right now by me.
Trump is an idiot; but a better choice than Hill-Dog. Even Whack-Job agrees. :gocho:
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#TeamWacks 'til I die, motherfuckers.
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#TeamWacks 'til I die, motherfuckers.
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:impatient: :cheers:
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Isn't there value in repeatedly confirming to ourselves that he is the dumbass we thought he was? Like in testing a scientific theory?
Simply verifying what we thought we knew about NK could also be helpful.
https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1015583992626597888
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Another topic where Trump's base has been fooled by their pied piper. Pretty fun to watch them :billdance: to defend him at all cost.
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#TeamWacks 'til I die, motherfuckers.
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:gocho: :cheers:
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I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.
i'm not rooting against a korean peace deal. i'm rooting for other people to understand that there is no possibility of a peace deal to exist within the framework announced.
as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Well, North Korea is definitely going to have nukes and it is definitely in our interest to forge an agreement that both provides peace and security to the Korean peninsula that doesn't involve us having an enormous military presence on hair trigger there and de-escalating the rhetoric (that, yes, Trump himself recklessly escalated) and avoiding a war.
Ok, the longheld belief was engaging with North Korea without them making concessions beforehand was not worth doing. Let's say we're beyond that stage and that we should work to improve relations to deter a nuclear attack. Why not just come out and say that as opposed to coming out and saying they are denuclearizing in a year which appears to be another bald faced lie. Does saying they're going to denuclearize when they have no intention to do so help with the original belief that improving relations will deter an attack? I don't believe anyone is rooting against a peace deal. Instead, much of the criticism has to do with the fact that they have no intention to denuclearize despite the fact that the current administration says otherwise.
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I’d be willing to be a Trumper lab rat, let’s see if I can be convinced of something
Mexico will pay for the wall
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I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.
i'm not rooting against a korean peace deal. i'm rooting for other people to understand that there is no possibility of a peace deal to exist within the framework announced.
as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Well, North Korea is definitely going to have nukes and it is definitely in our interest to forge an agreement that both provides peace and security to the Korean peninsula that doesn't involve us having an enormous military presence on hair trigger there and de-escalating the rhetoric (that, yes, Trump himself recklessly escalated) and avoiding a war.
Ok, the longheld belief was engaging with North Korea without them making concessions beforehand was not worth doing. Let's say we're beyond that stage and that we should work to improve relations to deter a nuclear attack. Why not just come out and say that as opposed to coming out and saying they are denuclearizing in a year which appears to be another bald faced lie. Does saying they're going to denuclearize when they have no intention to do so help with the original belief that improving relations will deter an attack? I don't believe anyone is rooting against a peace deal. Instead, much of the criticism has to do with the fact that they have no intention to denuclearize despite the fact that the current administration says otherwise.
The longstanding IR/Nat Sec realm conventional wisdom about how we were somehow going to isolate and "delegitimize" North Korea in to giving up their nuclear program was always a fantasy. Bolton and the neocon's hard power theories are horrifying, but saying you are going to invade to stop proliferation at least has a logic to it. The alternative is negotiating a deal with a country before they have a nuclear deterrent like in Iran.
Fast forward to-- now that North Korea has nuclear deterrence, why would they ever give it up?
We are now, of course, playing a stupid PR game on the surface level because Trump's brain is made out of tapioca pudding. But South Korea has a lot of interest in pursuing a more meaningful peace with the North and pursuing a new strategy. So far, they seem to be appreciative of the engagement by the US and seem to believe that progress is possible.
The path forward is figuring out what price North Korea can extract and what South Korea and the US can live with. An official end to the Korean War, normalization of relations between the North and South in exchange for some trust building timeline of actions by each party (easing of sanctions by the US, fewer troops on the peninsula, North Korea allows some sort of oversight of their arsenal or a more permanent testing halt) is the best case scenario in my mind. There are obviously lots of other bad options, but that is the best hope and not something that should be taken lightly.
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Also, like Trump is a dishonest bad person, but stuff like this still boggles my mind.
as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Henry Kissinger? Iran-Contra? School of the Americas? CIA black sites? Abu Gharib? Obama NSA? Obama drone program?
I have no doubt Trump will be revealed to have been up to some heinous crap, but "a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy" is just astounding.
The guy gave a signed CD of Elton John's Rocket Man to KJU! He is a lying moron all the time!
He isn't some Machiavellian operator, he's just a bored old guy that wants to watch TV and golf and yell about stuff that is bothering him.
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I think the path forward you've described is acceptable. However, criticism is warranted based on the handling of it by the current administration.
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I think the path forward you've described is acceptable. However, criticism is warranted based on the handling of it by the current administration.
It was absolute madness when Trump was challenging KJU on twitter and openly discussing starting a war.
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I think the path forward you've described is acceptable. However, criticism is warranted based on the handling of it by the current administration.
It was absolute madness when Trump was challenging KJU on twitter and openly discussing starting a war.
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Not madness. A very well planned out strategy by a true academic.
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I’d be willing to be a Trumper lab rat, let’s see if I can be convinced of something
Mexico will pay for the wall
not convinced
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Tariffs are good for the economy
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Tariffs are good for the economy
negotiating process that ends ultimately with truly fair trade is good for the economy
But you already know that partiStone
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Look how easy it was
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Look how easy it was
You don’t get it :frown:
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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1015952396219043840
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so in the end we just let NK silver back our president in front of the world. it was so easy.
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Also, like Trump is a dishonest bad person, but stuff like this still boggles my mind.
as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Henry Kissinger? Iran-Contra? School of the Americas? CIA black sites? Abu Gharib? Obama NSA? Obama drone program?
I have no doubt Trump will be revealed to have been up to some heinous crap, but "a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy" is just astounding.
The guy gave a signed CD of Elton John's Rocket Man to KJU! He is a lying moron all the time!
He isn't some Machiavellian operator, he's just a bored old guy that wants to watch TV and golf and yell about stuff that is bothering him.
kk, your post is absolutely ridiculous. first you enter into some sort of daxian whataboutism instead of making a legitimate argument ("maybe we should just ask the bombed cambodians what they think of meeting with north korea, eh?"). as you certainly know, the entire premise of your argument is flawed. all of those things can be bad (i have no desire to debate each individually) and yet have no bearing on the morality or efficacy of trump's action.
then you betray that, once again, you completely miss the point of the discussion. each example you mention is of some foreign policy initiative that was pursued by the responsible parties because they felt, whether correctly or not, that it furthered american interests. deception, to the extent that it occurred, was involved in concealing the action from the public. trump's action is different in kind. he engaged in foreign policy as theatre. the primary intent was to manipulate domestic public opinion.
the deception is not incidental to the policy action, it is the policy action.
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Also, like Trump is a dishonest bad person, but stuff like this still boggles my mind.
as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Henry Kissinger? Iran-Contra? School of the Americas? CIA black sites? Abu Gharib? Obama NSA? Obama drone program?
I have no doubt Trump will be revealed to have been up to some heinous crap, but "a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy" is just astounding.
The guy gave a signed CD of Elton John's Rocket Man to KJU! He is a lying moron all the time!
He isn't some Machiavellian operator, he's just a bored old guy that wants to watch TV and golf and yell about stuff that is bothering him.
kk, your post is absolutely ridiculous. first you enter into some sort of daxian whataboutism instead of making a legitimate argument ("maybe we should just ask the bombed cambodians what they think of meeting with north korea, eh?"). as you certainly know, the entire premise of your argument is flawed. all of those things can be bad (i have no desire to debate each individually) and yet have no bearing on the morality or efficacy of trump's action.
then you betray that, once again, you completely miss the point of the discussion. each example you mention is of some foreign policy initiative that was pursued by the responsible parties because they felt, whether correctly or not, that it furthered american interests. deception, to the extent that it occurred, was involved in concealing the action from the public. trump's action is different in kind. he engaged in foreign policy as theatre. the primary intent was to manipulate domestic public opinion.
the deception is not incidental to the policy action, it is the policy action.
I resent being compared to Dax, but your rhetoric about this “damaging our democracy” deserves context. You never even bothered to explain how it damages our democracy, you seem to just say because it is dishonest. To which I reply, so is almost everything Trump says! He is a bullshit artist with a rotting brain.
I haven’t heard your actual theory- he thought this was a wag the dog for domestic purposes only move? some very complicated Machiavellian 4D chess?
Trump is a rough ridin' imbecile who just says and does things. Decoding his intentions is a game that his advisors mostly fail at, but apparently you have cracked the code. If you think this core dishonesty has damaged American democracy, I would be happy to discuss that but this a common action (and not a particularly egregious example) not some unique action.
So for this foreign policy as theatre theory—
I don’t understand the distinction between squashing the Paris talks or concealing the bombing of Cambodia with this summit. Maybe there is some nuance that I am missing there, but those actions were expressly to manipulate public opinion.
Feel free to explain.
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I haven’t heard your actual theory- he thought this was a wag the dog for domestic purposes only move? some very complicated Machiavellian 4D chess?
Trump is a rough ridin' imbecile who just says and does things. Decoding his intentions is a game that his advisors mostly fail at, but apparently you have cracked the code. If you think this core dishonesty has damaged American democracy, I would be happy to discuss that but this a common action (and not a particularly egregious example) not some unique action.
So for this foreign policy as theatre theory—
I don’t understand the distinction between squashing the Paris talks or concealing the bombing of Cambodia with this summit. Maybe there is some nuance that I am missing there, but those actions were expressly to manipulate public opinion.
Feel free to explain.
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i don't agree that trump is an idiot bull in a china shop. he's a narcissist and that pathology sometimes causes him to do things against his interest, but in general he acts rationally to further his interests. the link below is a good summary of the north korea talks. nixon sabotaging the peace talks prior to the election is a good comparison, bombing cambodia isn't.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/trumps-deal-with-kim-jong-un-is-a-con-job-and-youre-the-mark.html
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I haven’t heard your actual theory- he thought this was a wag the dog for domestic purposes only move? some very complicated Machiavellian 4D chess?
Trump is a rough ridin' imbecile who just says and does things. Decoding his intentions is a game that his advisors mostly fail at, but apparently you have cracked the code. If you think this core dishonesty has damaged American democracy, I would be happy to discuss that but this a common action (and not a particularly egregious example) not some unique action.
So for this foreign policy as theatre theory—
I don’t understand the distinction between squashing the Paris talks or concealing the bombing of Cambodia with this summit. Maybe there is some nuance that I am missing there, but those actions were expressly to manipulate public opinion.
Feel free to explain.
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i don't agree that trump is an idiot bull in a china shop. he's a narcissist and that pathology sometimes causes him to do things against his interest, but in general he acts rationally to further his interests. the link below is a good summary of the north korea talks. nixon sabotaging the peace talks prior to the election is a good comparison, bombing cambodia isn't.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/trumps-deal-with-kim-jong-un-is-a-con-job-and-youre-the-mark.html
What if you can are narcissistic and an idiot? I still don't understand how this is somehow damaging to democracy beyond the whole Trump thing. Again, all I've said about this thing from the beginning is that when Trump says things like "30 million could've died" and that he saved us from it. He's a little more than half right. He obviously would've had a large share of the blame for that unthinkable catastrophe, but because the tail risk of Trump doing something cataclysmic is so significant, how can you not view these peace talks as positive?
Further, Saletan seems to offer up some Nat Sec/IR conventional wisdom masquerading as "art of the deal" talk. How can we view the strategies of previous presidents as anything other than wholly ineffective? He doesn't even so much as mention this other than to say that Trump said that other presidents wouldn't meet with Kim and then Trump's standard bravado. But this is self-evidently true. Obama and Bush would've never met with Kim. The comparison is on what changes in the relationship.
He also completely neglects to mention South Korea in all of this. It would probably be very interesting to know what they think of this considering they share a border and ostensibly have the most to "lose" in all of this. The reporting that I have seen is that South Korea is very interested in easing tensions and supported the summit. Why this is never talked about is odd to say the least.
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how can you not view these peace talks as positive?
what makes you think future conflict is less likely now than it was in 2016?
How can we view the strategies of previous presidents as anything other than wholly ineffective?
i think we both agree that nk disarming itself is not a realistic goal. as such, it makes no sense for either of us to judge past policy by that standard. by more realistic standards, it is virtually impossible to judge past strategy as either effective or ineffective - because we'd have to posit some counterfactual as a basis of comparison. on the positive side it took nk an extraordinarily long time to develop a functional nuclear device, they haven't attacked sk and have been largely isolated from the external world and we still maintain a strategic presence on the korean peninsula. on the negative side, their regime hasn't collapsed or liberalized or reunited with sk, they still pose a military threat to sk and more recently show evidence of having functional nuclear devices to threaten farther afield. and of course their citizenry has been opressed for well over half a century. it's very easy to imagine scenarios both much worse and much better than how things have actually turned out, but i don't think either of us are in any position to evaluate the likelihood of alternate scenarios if us policy had been other than it was.
He also completely neglects to mention South Korea in all of this.
the us and sk do not have completely convergent interests.
and just to reiterate - all of this is interesting to discuss, but it is irrelevant to the point that trump's aim was principally, if not wholly, to impact domestic opinion. that is the fundamental dishonesty. that's why i said in my original post, that you took issue with, that while it might end up generating positive results, i would not credit those results because the process was dishonest.
and i don't think it's likely that the impact will be positive, btw. trump took the accumulated leverage generated by past policy and he spent it on a photo op.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1016327387154395138
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He needs to bust out that contract tonight. That would be Tony Hawk 720 level crap
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interesting thread.
https://twitter.com/duyeonkim/status/1015641655611985920
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how can you not view these peace talks as positive?
what makes you think future conflict is less likely now than it was in 2016?
How can we view the strategies of previous presidents as anything other than wholly ineffective?
i think we both agree that nk disarming itself is not a realistic goal. as such, it makes no sense for either of us to judge past policy by that standard. by more realistic standards, it is virtually impossible to judge past strategy as either effective or ineffective - because we'd have to posit some counterfactual as a basis of comparison. on the positive side it took nk an extraordinarily long time to develop a functional nuclear device, they haven't attacked sk and have been largely isolated from the external world and we still maintain a strategic presence on the korean peninsula. on the negative side, their regime hasn't collapsed or liberalized or reunited with sk, they still pose a military threat to sk and more recently show evidence of having functional nuclear devices to threaten farther afield. and of course their citizenry has been opressed for well over half a century. it's very easy to imagine scenarios both much worse and much better than how things have actually turned out, but i don't think either of us are in any position to evaluate the likelihood of alternate scenarios if us policy had been other than it was.
He also completely neglects to mention South Korea in all of this.
the us and sk do not have completely convergent interests.
and just to reiterate - all of this is interesting to discuss, but it is irrelevant to the point that trump's aim was principally, if not wholly, to impact domestic opinion. that is the fundamental dishonesty. that's why i said in my original post, that you took issue with, that while it might end up generating positive results, i would not credit those results because the process was dishonest.
and i don't think it's likely that the impact will be positive, btw. trump took the accumulated leverage generated by past policy and he spent it on a photo op.
This is getting exhausting and we are just dropping arguments left and right.
1) I think that this engagement has reduced the likelihood compared to the “Axis of Evil” rhetoric. A presidential summit seems less likely to be a precursor to nuclear war than the rhetoric during Bush or even Obama. Call me crazy. I also said, it is an improvement from when Trump and Kim were threatening nuclear war against each other (obviously Trump’s fault)
2) if all the rhetoric and “isolation” of North Korea was just theatre and was never going to accomplish its stated aims then how is that not self-evidently worse than engagement? You don’t have to engage in a counter factual because we agree that the underlying purpose was inevitably doomed, but what about all the collateral damage? The cost of “playing hardball” when everyone knows it is pointless. The IR people claim that it is all part of this non-proliferation deterrent effect when we isolate North Korea. But let’s look at what lesson someone would learn. Iraq, Libya, North Korea what is the difference? What is the lesson hat will be learned by Iran? How is any of this less damaging or important than some sort of collateral effect on our own democracy because Trump is a liar?
3) Whig brings us to, how is this lie somehow worthy of any distinction between Trumps other lies?
4) Lastly, what rough ridin' leverage do you think we have over North Korea? LOL. How could Trump squander something that we don’t have?
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1) I think that this engagement has reduced the likelihood compared to the “Axis of Evil” rhetoric. A presidential summit seems less likely to be a precursor to nuclear war than the rhetoric during Bush or even Obama. Call me crazy. I also said, it is an improvement from when Trump and Kim were threatening nuclear war against each other (obviously Trump’s fault)
2) if all the rhetoric and “isolation” of North Korea was just theatre and was never going to accomplish its stated aims then how is that not self-evidently worse than engagement? You don’t have to engage in a counter factual because we agree that the underlying purpose was inevitably doomed, but what about all the collateral damage? The cost of “playing hardball” when everyone knows it is pointless. The IR people claim that it is all part of this non-proliferation deterrent effect when we isolate North Korea. But let’s look at what lesson someone would learn. Iraq, Libya, North Korea what is the difference? What is the lesson hat will be learned by Iran? How is any of this less damaging or important than some sort of collateral effect on our own democracy because Trump is a liar?
3) Whig brings us to, how is this lie somehow worthy of any distinction between Trumps other lies?
4) Lastly, what rough ridin' leverage do you think we have over North Korea? LOL. How could Trump squander something that we don’t have?
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1. i don't think your argument is crazy. i do think it is unsupported by evidence (to some extent, by necessity, it is an unknowable).
2. of course your hypothetical engagement is counterfactual. good grief, kk, that's definitional. you appear to be arguing that confrontational foreign policy (sanctions, etc) is, in and of itself, a bad thing? sorry, that's not a belief to which i ascribe, to argue that it is detrimental, i need to see evidence of actual detriment.
3. well, i don't intend to argue that his lying in general is non-detrimental, and i certainly don't believe that it's rational to believe that because he is an inveterate liar his n+1 lie can produce no harm beyond lies 1 through n. however, i do think it is fair to distinguish between elaborate actions taken to deceive and deception which is simple mischaracterization of fact.
4. sanctions.
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1) I think that this engagement has reduced the likelihood compared to the “Axis of Evil” rhetoric. A presidential summit seems less likely to be a precursor to nuclear war than the rhetoric during Bush or even Obama. Call me crazy. I also said, it is an improvement from when Trump and Kim were threatening nuclear war against each other (obviously Trump’s fault)
2) if all the rhetoric and “isolation” of North Korea was just theatre and was never going to accomplish its stated aims then how is that not self-evidently worse than engagement? You don’t have to engage in a counter factual because we agree that the underlying purpose was inevitably doomed, but what about all the collateral damage? The cost of “playing hardball” when everyone knows it is pointless. The IR people claim that it is all part of this non-proliferation deterrent effect when we isolate North Korea. But let’s look at what lesson someone would learn. Iraq, Libya, North Korea what is the difference? What is the lesson hat will be learned by Iran? How is any of this less damaging or important than some sort of collateral effect on our own democracy because Trump is a liar?
3) Whig brings us to, how is this lie somehow worthy of any distinction between Trumps other lies?
4) Lastly, what rough ridin' leverage do you think we have over North Korea? LOL. How could Trump squander something that we don’t have?
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1. i don't think your argument is crazy. i do think it is unsupported by evidence (to some extent, by necessity, it is an unknowable).
2. of course your hypothetical engagement is counterfactual. good grief, kk, that's definitional. you appear to be arguing that confrontational foreign policy (sanctions, etc) is, in and of itself, a bad thing? sorry, that's not a belief to which i ascribe, to argue that it is detrimental, i need to see evidence of actual detriment.
3. well, i don't intend to argue that his lying in general is non-detrimental, and i certainly don't believe that it's rational to believe that because he is an inveterate liar his n+1 lie can produce no harm beyond lies 1 through n. however, i do think it is fair to distinguish between elaborate actions taken to deceive and deception which is simple mischaracterization of fact.
4. sanctions.
1 & 2) yeah this was unclear. I was trying to explain that I think it is extremely unfair for you to look at what actually happened (sanctions, tough rhetoric etc.) and the result (NK went nuclear) and then say that it is essentially unknowable as to what would've happened if we had pursued a different strategy because NK was going to get the bomb no matter what so let's move on and not examine this further. Even if we grant your premise, What did all of that accomplish then? How can you stack up all of that history and say that it was good? This is what I was saying, I was granting your premise and not even bothering to argue that it was certain or more than likely that we could've prevented NK from getting the bomb with a different strategy (though I would argue this seems at least possible).
2) I don't think I am categorically against sanctions, but please feel free to provide some examples where sanctions have been successful. Iraq? Iran? NK? Palestine? What is the success story? Is being able to cast the dictator refusing to play ball with the US as a monster while their people starve and die of preventable disease because of the sanctions the true victory?
3) ok, but this is like picking out a rain drop from a puddle and examining it to see if it might be particularly wet.
4) what have the sanctions accomplished?
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1&2. i agree that it is possible. i also think it is possible it could have turned out much worse.
2. certainly iran. to some extent russia. as per 1&2, it is pretty hard to establish a clear narrative as you must posit a counterfactual. i don't think they are some gigantic lever by which to move the world, but i also don't think it's accurate to dismiss them as wholly ineffectual.
3. eh, most of his lies aren't the story for a solid two weeks and a prominant feature in the news for months. by volume alone, this is more consequential.
4. they generated leverage that trump exchanged for a photo op.
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1&2. i agree that it is possible. i also think it is possible it could have turned out much worse.
2. certainly iran. to some extent russia. as per 1&2, it is pretty hard to establish a clear narrative as you must posit a counterfactual. i don't think they are some gigantic lever by which to move the world, but i also don't think it's accurate to dismiss them as wholly ineffectual.
3. eh, most of his lies aren't the story for a solid two weeks and a prominant feature in the news for months. by volume alone, this is more consequential.
4. they generated leverage that trump exchanged for a photo op.
I think all of that is pretty reasonable. But I still don't know what "leverage" we had over North Korea. Kim clearly does not care at all that his people are starving.
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1&2. i agree that it is possible. i also think it is possible it could have turned out much worse.
2. certainly iran. to some extent russia. as per 1&2, it is pretty hard to establish a clear narrative as you must posit a counterfactual. i don't think they are some gigantic lever by which to move the world, but i also don't think it's accurate to dismiss them as wholly ineffectual.
3. eh, most of his lies aren't the story for a solid two weeks and a prominant feature in the news for months. by volume alone, this is more consequential.
4. they generated leverage that trump exchanged for a photo op.
I think all of that is pretty reasonable. But I still don't know what "leverage" we had over North Korea. Kim clearly does not care at all that his people are starving.
Right. Assuming the sanctions were producing leverage, how would you expect to see any benefit produced by the leverage outside of some kind of negotiation between the states?
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The thing I appreciate about the resident LibBots is that you sat around and said nothing for 8 years.
Senator Barrack Obama advocated direct talks with the Axis of Evil.
President Barrack Obama advocated:
1. Overthrow or attempt to overthrow of the Axis of Evil
and/or
2. Ignoring members of the Axis of Evil while they solidified their nuclear and WMD delivery ambitions
and/or
3. Paying one of the worst actors billions of dollars to at most postpone their Nuclear ambitions for awhile (while they spread their influence across the Middle East and no sit on the border of the only secular Democracy that remains in the Middle East) . . . while said actor strengthens their WMD delivery systems capabilities.
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dax. sometimes I get accused of being unclear, but that is your SOP.
Obama tried to overthrow Iraq?
I also don't understand how you have managed to convince yourself that the Iran deal was one of the worst things in the world but this engagement with NK is good.
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Right. Assuming the sanctions were producing leverage, how would you expect to see any benefit produced by the leverage outside of some kind of negotiation between the states?
there's the idea that sanctions can increase internal pressure on a regime such that they reform or are overthrown. an idea that, i admit, is largely unsupported by empirical evidence. and even if it might work somewhere, nk would be a very poor candidate for such a possibility.
more relevant - you exchange the release of sanctions for some tangible concession. trump got nothing.
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dax. sometimes I get accused of being unclear, but that is your SOP.
Obama tried to overthrow Iraq?
I also don't understand how you have managed to convince yourself that the Iran deal was one of the worst things in the world but this engagement with NK is good.
I didn't say Iraq, but who were the next on the list, KK?
An unsigned memorandum of understanding paid for with pallets of cash is not a good agreement.
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dax. sometimes I get accused of being unclear, but that is your SOP.
Obama tried to overthrow Iraq?
I also don't understand how you have managed to convince yourself that the Iran deal was one of the worst things in the world but this engagement with NK is good.
I didn't say Iraq, but who were the next on the list, KK?
An unsigned memorandum of understanding paid for with pallets of cash is not a good agreement.
The axis of evil was 3 countries. You had 3 sub points. Re-read my post about you never just saying what the eff you are talking about.
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dax. sometimes I get accused of being unclear, but that is your SOP.
Obama tried to overthrow Iraq?
I also don't understand how you have managed to convince yourself that the Iran deal was one of the worst things in the world but this engagement with NK is good.
I didn't say Iraq, but who were the next on the list, KK?
An unsigned memorandum of understanding paid for with pallets of cash is not a good agreement.
The axis of evil was 3 countries. You had 3 sub points. Re-read my post about you never just saying what the eff you are talking about.
I don't think I could have been any more clear. It's also not the least bit speculative to include multiple other countries under the umbrella of the "Axis of Evil". Everyone with a clue knows that the list extended beyond just 3 countries.
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He could not have been more clear
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He could not have been more clear
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I view the Axis of Evil as the list of countries where regime change was needed as (reportedly) espoused by PNAC.
I then place it into the context of PNAC on Steroids, which was the Obama Administration aka destabilization and overthrow without a calming remnant aka bad guys don't look at explosions. See also Libya. See also Syria (and Egypt, thankfully that was thwarted)
If you want to talk about the literal "Axis of Evil" then the Obama administrations handling of NK couldn't have been more disastrous. Which is why we are in the position we're in today. They're very near a capable ICBM, and likely near a deliverable warhead.
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I view the Axis of Evil as the list of countries where regime change was needed as (reportedly) espoused by PNAC.
I then place it into the context of PNAC on Steroids, which was the Obama Administration aka destabilization and overthrow without a calming remnant aka bad guys don't look at explosions. See also Libya. See also Syria (and Egypt, thankfully that was thwarted)
If you want to talk about the literal "Axis of Evil" then the Obama administrations handling of NK couldn't have been more disastrous. Which is why we are in the position we're in today. They're very near a capable ICBM, and likely near a deliverable warhead.
Do you make up new, personal meanings for words and phrases regularly? This could explain a lot.
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I view the Axis of Evil as the list of countries where regime change was needed as (reportedly) espoused by PNAC.
I then place it into the context of PNAC on Steroids, which was the Obama Administration aka destabilization and overthrow without a calming remnant aka bad guys don't look at explosions. See also Libya. See also Syria (and Egypt, thankfully that was thwarted)
If you want to talk about the literal "Axis of Evil" then the Obama administrations handling of NK couldn't have been more disastrous. Which is why we are in the position we're in today. They're very near a capable ICBM, and likely near a deliverable warhead.
Do you make up new, personal meanings for words and phrases regularly? This could explain a lot.
You need to broaden your horizons and look at the origins of the Axis of Evil and who were the personalities behind that phraseology.
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Yes, KK.
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I view the Axis of Evil as the list of countries where regime change was needed as (reportedly) espoused by PNAC.
I then place it into the context of PNAC on Steroids, which was the Obama Administration aka destabilization and overthrow without a calming remnant aka bad guys don't look at explosions. See also Libya. See also Syria (and Egypt, thankfully that was thwarted)
If you want to talk about the literal "Axis of Evil" then the Obama administrations handling of NK couldn't have been more disastrous. Which is why we are in the position we're in today. They're very near a capable ICBM, and likely near a deliverable warhead.
Do you make up new, personal meanings for words and phrases regularly? This could explain a lot.
You need to broaden your horizons and look at the origins of the Axis of Evil and who were the personalities behind that phraseology.
You can't trick me in to reading some waybackmachine version of Bill Kristol's original PNAC geocities page dax.
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I view the Axis of Evil as the list of countries where regime change was needed as (reportedly) espoused by PNAC.
I then place it into the context of PNAC on Steroids, which was the Obama Administration aka destabilization and overthrow without a calming remnant aka bad guys don't look at explosions. See also Libya. See also Syria (and Egypt, thankfully that was thwarted)
If you want to talk about the literal "Axis of Evil" then the Obama administrations handling of NK couldn't have been more disastrous. Which is why we are in the position we're in today. They're very near a capable ICBM, and likely near a deliverable warhead.
Do you make up new, personal meanings for words and phrases regularly? This could explain a lot.
You need to broaden your horizons and look at the origins of the Axis of Evil and who were the personalities behind that phraseology.
You can't trick me in to reading some waybackmachine version of Bill Kristol's original PNAC geocities page dax.
When you start floating around Axis of Evil, which was coined in a speech on 1/29/2002, you've already crossed the proverbial wayback machine Rubicon KK . . . sorry (not sorry), friend.
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Come on Dax! Your typical references are like Chappaquiddick, Paula Jones, or Harry Truman election fraud.
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Come on Dax! Your typical references are like Chappaquiddick, Paula Jones, or Harry Truman election fraud.
Paula Jones?
I only bring Harry Truman election fraud when LibBots like you start spewing forth stuff like, "well there's been no wide scale recording . . . "
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Right. Assuming the sanctions were producing leverage, how would you expect to see any benefit produced by the leverage outside of some kind of negotiation between the states?
there's the idea that sanctions can increase internal pressure on a regime such that they reform or are overthrown. an idea that, i admit, is largely unsupported by empirical evidence. and even if it might work somewhere, nk would be a very poor candidate for such a possibility.
more relevant - you exchange the release of sanctions for some tangible concession. trump got nothing.
What kind of tangible concession? I promise i'm being intentionally obtuse here. I'm just trying to think of ways you could get a tangible concession when you're dealing with a notoriously unreliable negotiator.
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Maybe you could get him to stop some war games in your back yard that you don't like.
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Maybe you could get him to stop some war games in your back yard that you don't like.
that'd be good one. any step towards full or partial denuclearization or sharing of info that would assist in verification would also be worth consideration. if we still gave a crap about human rights and the such we could even consider steps that would reduce human rights violations or opened their society.
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The fact that the left is looking to NK State TV for proof the NK deal isn't working out, is all we really need to know here.
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He could not have been more clear
i do sincerely believe that this is the best he can do.
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It’s just a shame that people like the SysBot won’t recognize the failure and the lost 8 years of the previous administration as it relates to NK.
Because of the failure of the previous president to heed his own very public criticisms (and advice to) of the Bush administration. NK was quite literally left to its own devices with only ankle biting sanctions in place. (Relative to the economic status quo of NK).
During that time both NK’s ICBM development and nuclear development accelerated dramatically. To the point that the incoming president and US allies in the region were faced with the very frightening reality of NK missiles flying over their head and larger and more powerful (and growing increasingly capable from a delivery perspective). NK nuclear weapons being tested.
All criticism from the US political left of the Trumps administrations negotiations with NK should be immediately laughed straight out of the room with extreme prejudice.
Your guy had 8 years to address the issue and he failed so completely it will be chiseled into the voluminous stone of his overall failure as head of state for our nation.
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1017421762383044608
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haha
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If I told you a 5’5” fat Korean dude spent all day dunking on a 6’3” American you’d say I was crazy
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Who needs negotiations when war is available. (New NeoCons).
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Who needs negotiations when war is available. (New NeoCons).
Negotiations? Way to move the goal post....we were clearly told many times this was agreed upon.
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Who needs negotiations when war is available. (New NeoCons).
Said no one itt
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What negotiations? Only one side is showing up
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Moar
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I laugh IRL when dax tries to post like a younger person. It is awesome
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Trump really knocked this one out of the park. #Winning
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Re: sys, Trump, and lying
I find these kinds of lies so much more egregious and damaging because they are so straightforwardly dishonest and they just dare anyone to contradict how blatantly dishonest the statements are and nothing much happens or changes.
https://twitter.com/StephGrisham45/status/1017777230926270470
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-roll-eyes-asked-presidents-shocking-interview/story?id=56560919 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-roll-eyes-asked-presidents-shocking-interview/story?id=56560919)
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well, you're really weird then. because no one gives a crap if he was anywhere the day before or the day after brexit and doesn't influence public opinion at all in any direction.
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lol, yeah. In terms of dangerousness, that lie is near the bottom of the very long list of Trump lies. Also, Chrome spellcheck doesn't think dangerousness is a word, but Google confirms it is. WTF, Alphabet? Get it together...
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yeah, it wouldn't matter if he came out and lied about his shirt's color. but his ability to do so is more indicative of his power.
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it's really weird that he lies about stuff that is easily disprovable and also really weird that he lies so frequently about so many things. and it's indicative of the same fundamental dishonesty that induces him to run large parts of his presidency as a staged production to manipulate public opinion rather than an actual effort at governance. we disagree about what aspects of that fundamental dishonesty are most amaging to the country.
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He’s doing what he knows best
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I appreciate the fact that there's now a great concern about theatrics and staging in politics.
It's very refreshing.
We'll cross the lying and theatrics Rubicon when we hear about dodging sniper fire in some far off land. Or that Rubicon might be stepping into a predominately African American church and sounding like he's channeling his inner Bishop TD Jakes.
Look forward to the ceremonial pushing of the "reset" button with Putin.
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Moar
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I think Trump's untruthfulness has a bunch of different sources. Sometimes, he intends to deceive. Sometimes, he doesn't know the exact truth, but doesn't care and just wants to promote himself anyway. Sometimes, he's just confused about facts because he's kinda dumb. Sometimes, his prejudices interfere with his objectivity. And sometimes, he just seems kinda senile. Like below.
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1018501923333435392
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Haha
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https://twitter.com/BrookingsInst/status/1019747227198283779
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Congrats, Chum!
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chum1, i also congratulate you on not being so stupid that you fell for this charade.
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:lol:
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The Brookings Institute. Of note popular LibBot publications thought Brookings was a little, err, a lot too cheerleader like for W’s “wars of aggression”. Of course LibBot commentators have long debated Brookings leanings.
But using the W era complaints as our guide. The NewNeo Con is now using a pro aggression entity as their next new bell cow.
The New NeoCon is doubling and tripling down and really accelerating the NeoCon cause.
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i thought these dudes would go out of their way to avoid publicly humiliating trump, to keep him soft and sweet.
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1020138426413338624
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https://twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/1020459194653130755
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1020825689262624769
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:lol:
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https://twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/1022237162857738240
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https://twitter.com/nakashimae/status/1024069407860051969
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Sure hope this whole thing fails.
Peace sucks.
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I expect DJT will deliver on his promise.
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Hope they nuke the crap out of us to own the 'pubs.
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they have been de-nuked
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Hopefully not. eff the 'pubs, eff peace, and eff Trump. I just want to be right on this one.
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I just want to be able to believe what the President of my country says.
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Unfortunately, Presidents have been lying to their people from Day 1. Not sure if living in that fantasy world is healthy for you, 'stone.
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On a topic like NK when he gave legitimacy to NK by meeting them while promising to Americans that he had an agreement to de-nuke was a risk. publically lying about it while not being able to deliver makes him look either lying or stupid/impotent. I had hoped it was neither.
I guess in non-fantasy world he is both which kind of sucks.
Non-fantasy world is he got 2 handed dunked on. Thanks for snapping me back to reality. :cheers:
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On a topic like NK when he gave legitimacy to NK by meeting them while promising to Americans that he had an agreement to de-nuke was a risk. publically lying about it while not being able to deliver makes him look either lying or stupid/impotent. I had hoped it was neither.
I guess in non-fantasy world he is both which kind of sucks.
Non-fantasy world is he got 2 handed dunked on. Thanks for snapping me back to reality. :cheers:
Your guy never met a thug he didn’t embrace with 2 noted exceptions. Never heard you guys say a word. Weird. If only Trump had taken Kim to pound domestics at a Nats game.
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say no more. I was drifting along on a lark. Wacks grabbed me by the shoulders and shook me then yelled "he IS a huge liar who got completely destroyed by the little rocket man. SNAP OUT OF IT!!"
It was a rude awakening but I am better for having my eyes opened.
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He also freed up some Americans in the process. :love:
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I hope trump can recover from this windmill dunk and re-de-nuke north korea
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He's denuked them before. He can denuke them again.
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You guys are giddy AF! :love:
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He also freed up some Americans in the process. :love:
It was well done, that is his biggest accomplishment.
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Feckless
Someone feckless is lacking in feck. And what, you may ask, is feck? Feck is a Scots term that means "effect" or "majority" and comes from an alteration of the Middle English effect. So something without feck is without effect, or ineffective.
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You guys are giddy AF! :love:
Nobody is happy bud.... We just wish you all weren't mindless lemmings that came on here claiming "mission accomplished" before the meeting even took place.
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Bringing Americans back home was bad? Having dialogue 1-on-1 was bad? Etc. :confused: Nothing is fact as of right now and no one claimed mission accomplished before the meeting.
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Bringing Americans back home was bad? Having dialogue 1-on-1 was bad? Etc. :confused: Nothing is fact as of right now and no one claimed mission accomplished before the meeting.
Actually Don did.
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Mission Accomplished!
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TBT, WW isn't a 'pub.
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Bringing Americans back home was bad? Having dialogue 1-on-1 was bad? Etc. :confused: Nothing is fact as of right now and no one claimed mission accomplished before the meeting.
I legit believe bringing people home to their families is awesome and really should not be understated. Those people owe DJT everything.
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TBT, WW isn't a 'pub.
You son of a bitch
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Unfortunately, Presidents have been lying to their people from Day 1. Not sure if living in that fantasy world is healthy for you, 'stone.
Unless you can post the link to #myguy George Washington lying to his people, I will have to fight you.
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Unfortunately, Presidents have been lying to their people from Day 1. Not sure if living in that fantasy world is healthy for you, 'stone.
Unless you can post the link to #myguy George Washington lying to his people, I will have to fight you.
:lol:
Good luck getting fact links to any claim he makes.
:lol:
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TBT, your last 6 months on here have been super weird. Seek help.
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I wish someone would help me get you to post factual links to some(most) of the stuff you say. If that makes someone weird then idk what to tell you.
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You don't think politicians fabricate stories? Are you really this dense? Answer: Yes!
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Ok Wacky :D
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Man, now knowing that dc cat was TBT this whole time makes total sense. 4/5 of his posts are chasing Dax, FSD, and I around. :love: It's like he never left. :lol:
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You don't think politicians fabricate stories? Are you really this dense? Answer: Yes!
Wacks is right. This is totally normal.
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Well it's not normal that a US President finally meets with Kim to try and find a way for peace. You nailed that, bucket.
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Well it's not normal that a US President finally meets with Kim to try and find a way for peace. You nailed that, bucket.
Or threatens nuclear war.
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:lol: President Trump goes to try and denuke a dictator, brings Americans back alive, etc. and TBT reads it as, "Trump starts Nuclear war". :lol: For fucks sake, push yourself away from the keyboard again.
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He did de-nuke NK tho
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(https://i.giphy.com/media/pvDp7Ewpzt0o8/giphy.gif)
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lol wut
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Wacks is right, they all have lied once... What's the big deal guys? This is only first 10 months :sdeek:
(https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_12338_how_trump_s_lies_compare_with_obama_s_n.jpg)
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Man, now knowing that dc cat was TBT this whole time makes total sense. 4/5 of his posts are chasing Dax, FSD, and I around. :love: It's like he never left. :lol:
Yea, if there was any question about it before, the chemistry with Wacky is just uncanny.
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Wacks is right, they all have lied once... What's the big deal guys? This is only first 10 months :sdeek:
(https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_12338_how_trump_s_lies_compare_with_obama_s_n.jpg)
110 seems super conservative, maybe he keeps telling the same lies over and over though.
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*First 10 months. He's been on a tear recently, so it has at least doubled since then.
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You don't think politicians fabricate stories? Are you really this dense? Answer: Yes!
Wacks is right. This is totally normal.
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Would love to see who came up with that bad boy. Probably no agenda at all, i'd assume.
Anyways, point remains, NK has been a positive for the most part and I don't know why you guys continue to root against the US on this one. Sucks if Trump said they agreed to denuke and they're not following through with it. Hope they stop soon.
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The creator and sources are on the image if you care to investigate further
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What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.
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Probably too long ago for you to remember.
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/895004435713273856
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Jeez, you said you wanted to know more so I pointed it out for you, don't bite my head off dang dude
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I wasn't coming at you, lib. lulz. Thanks for posting an old quote and since that quote he's made an effort to find peace and bring home Americans. You're really killing it cat from dc, tbt, the hill, 99jc, etc.
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What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.
He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
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What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.
He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
Is it a lie if they told him they would? :dunno:
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They may have agreed to denuke. They don’t appear to be honoring it if they did.
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What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.
He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
Is it a lie if they told him they would? :dunno:
No one other than Trump has said that, and since there is no actual agreement in place, it seems safe to call that a lie.
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What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.
He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
Is it a lie if they told him they would? :dunno:
No one other than Trump has said that, and since there is no actual agreement in place, it seems safe to call that a lie.
Then wtf is he holding up here? https://www.wirk.com/trump-kim-jong-un-sign-historic-document-to-denuke-north-korea/
(https://www.850wftl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/trump-signs-e1528799073914.jpg)
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Oh, Wacky :lol:
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What am I missing, bucket? Speak!
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What am I missing, bucket? Speak!
Speak! :lol:
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:lol:
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Got it, you have nothing. Other than some crazy conspiracy theory i'm sure. Thanks for playing, weirdo.
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What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.
He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
Is it a lie if they told him they would? :dunno:
No one other than Trump has said that, and since there is no actual agreement in place, it seems safe to call that a lie.
The wtf is he holding up here? https://www.wirk.com/trump-kim-jong-un-sign-historic-document-to-denuke-north-korea/
(https://www.850wftl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/trump-signs-e1528799073914.jpg)
That joint statement did call for them to "promote denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula" and to "work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula". I think the semantic difference between the Peninsula vs North Korea is significant, as is the idea of "work toward" or "promote" vs agree to do.
A month later North Korea rebuffed talks with Pompeo, and said "The US is fatally mistaken if it went to the extent of regarding that the DPRK would be compelled to accept, out of its patience, the demands regarding its gangster-like mindset"
There is no agreement. This doesn't mean that there isn't potential for success but for what has happened thus far, Trump dunked on a Nerf hoop attached to the closet door and told you he won the NBA dunk contest.
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Thank you for having enough brain cells to have a discussion with me, 8man. I appreciate you.
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Wait, so who was right?
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Wait, so who was right?
Not you, because you don't say anything. You wait for other to chime in and then :lol: like it's your own thought.
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Wait, so who was right?
Not you, because you don't say anything. You wait for other to chime in and then :lol: like it's your own thought.
I never claimed I was right, did I? I’m just glad you finally posted some sources so 8MP could help correct your point of reference.
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I'm working towards winning the lottery...
"Phil won the lottery guys!" - wacky
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You didn't say anything, so how would you claim to be right? You legit sandbag other educated thoughts on this blog as yours. It's strange, but it's your thing, so whatevs. Hope NK doesn't nuke us, guys.
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I'm working towards winning the lottery...
"Phil won the lottery guys!" - wacky
Don't be an idiot.
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I also hope NK doesn't nuke us (they won't)
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I'm working towards winning the lottery...
"Phil won the lottery guys!" - wacky
Don't be an idiot.
Much mean words.
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Thank you for having enough brain cells to have a discussion with me, 8man. I appreciate you.
:tsc: :cheers:
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https://twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/1024852536967057408
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In the past, the regime has promised to return the remains of servicemen, but actually handed over unidentifiable bones of many people and some animals.
The latest batch of 55 boxes of remains from North Korea has just been received, and appears to fit the historic pattern. According to the Associated Press, the boxes contain “a single military dog tag but no other information that could help U.S. forensics experts determine their individual identities.”
https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/1024842035273052160
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Do we even know who is supposed to be in them? Is someone going to sleep better knowing great grandpas bones are back in the USA?
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if you don't pretend to believe that we denuclearized north korea and repatriated our war heroes, you want to blow the world up, chum1.
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Do we even know who is supposed to be in them? Is someone going to sleep better knowing great grandpas bones are back in the USA?
Not a big cemetery guy, so I feel the same way. Some people are absolutely obsessed with visiting graves, though. I’m sure a few of those folks were pushing pretty hard for this.
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did obama double check all the bones we got back b/t 08-16?
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I will take a symbolic win with the way he has been getting slam dunked on by Kim.
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What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.
He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
Is it a lie if they told him they would? :dunno:
No one other than Trump has said that, and since there is no actual agreement in place, it seems safe to call that a lie.
Then wtf is he holding up here? https://www.wirk.com/trump-kim-jong-un-sign-historic-document-to-denuke-north-korea/
(https://www.850wftl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/trump-signs-e1528799073914.jpg)
I know it's been discussed but HOLY CRAP LOOK AT HOW ITTY BITTY HIS HANDS ARE
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I will take a symbolic win with the way he has been getting slam dunked on by Kim.
Kim prob threw some bones in a box of some dissenter he killed and Trump is over here thinking he just brought down the wall.
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I will take a symbolic win with the way he has been getting slam dunked on by Kim.
:thumbs:
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I will take a symbolic win with the way he has been getting slam dunked on by Kim.
Yeah need a moral victory at this point.
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1027281298392576002
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Well at least he tried and claimed victory.
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By implication the resident LibBots and the fake humanitarian are defending an administration that let NK build more nukes, build more powerful nukes, refine WMD delivery systems, and share that information with Iran.
SMDH, pathetic
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By implication the resident LibBots and the fake humanitarian are defending an administration that let NK build more nukes, build more powerful nukes, refine WMD delivery systems, and share that information with Iran.
SMDH, pathetic
No one here is defending Trump!
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By implication the resident LibBots and the fake humanitarian are defending an administration that let NK build more nukes, build more powerful nukes, refine WMD delivery systems, and share that information with Iran.
SMDH, pathetic
No one here is defending Trump!
Quit covering for your guy aka the unmitigated foreign policy failure(s) that was the Obama administration.
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Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
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Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
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Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
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Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
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Good lord he is dunking on trump’s face so hard, it’s an embarrassment for all Americans
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Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
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Good lord he is dunking on trump’s face so hard, it’s an embarrassment for all Americans
I mean it’s not quite the era of post election flexibility aka the great bendover. But you might be on to something. Let us know when Kim annexes South Korea or installs the next POTUS.
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Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
There was zero substantive engagement with NK from a guy who criticized the previous administration for not directly negotiating with our so called enemies. The timeline of nuke and ICBM capability acceleration couldn’t be more clear.
But continue to get all pissed off as usual when your guy’s shittyness is exposed.
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Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
There was zero substantive engagement with NK from a guy who criticized the previous administration for not directly negotiating with our so called enemies. The timeline of nuke and ICBM capability acceleration couldn’t be more clear.
But continue to get all pissed off as usual when your guy’s shittyness is exposed.
The acceleration of technology in general, information, resources, etc went crazy during this time. That is a blatantly old man response to something you don’t understand.
Bill Clinton grew the economy tremendously during his stint in office. He wasn’t Al Gore, he didn’t create the internet. Why did the internet grow so rapidly? Because of access to information that people could use to build new things.
You are completely out of your element you rough ridin' 50+ tin foil hat moron. I get that you don’t understand how exponential growth of available information(including nuclear and rocket info) could lead to exponential growth in 40 year old tech.
Your continued lack of concept of how this could happen is not at all surprising tho. Tune that radio back to your youth, when everything was great.
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Bloodthirsty warpig DAX wanted Obama to deal with North Korea militarily. I disagree with bloodthirsty warpig DAX on this approach.
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Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
There was zero substantive engagement with NK from a guy who criticized the previous administration for not directly negotiating with our so called enemies. The timeline of nuke and ICBM capability acceleration couldn’t be more clear.
But continue to get all pissed off as usual when your guy’s shittyness is exposed.
The acceleration of technology in general, information, resources, etc went crazy during this time. That is a blatantly old man response to something you don’t understand.
Bill Clinton grew the economy tremendously during his stint in office. He wasn’t Al Gore, he didn’t create the internet. Why did the internet grow so rapidly? Because of access to information that people could use to build new things.
You are completely out of your element you rough ridin' 50+ tin foil hat moron. I get that you don’t understand how exponential growth of available information(including nuclear and rocket info) could lead to exponential growth in 40 year old tech.
Your continued lack of concept of how this could happen is not at all surprising tho. Tune that radio back to your youth, when everything was great.
That’s just a bunch of reaching gobble gook.
We’re talking nukes and delivery systems. The original nuclear powers all had what NK was on the cusp of developing while Obama was president 30 and 40 years before the Internet was a thing.
You are completely out of your element, you are utterly clueless in this matter.
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Bloodthirsty warpig DAX wanted Obama to deal with North Korea militarily. I disagree with bloodthirsty warpig DAX on this approach.
Negotiations is not war. We all know where the New NeoCon Head is, not mine.
Your guy said we should be talking to our enemies yet he didn’t engage NK on any substantial level.
But look at the The Big Tuck and LibBot7 trying gang up on me as usual.
Sad.
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Good lord he is dunking on trump’s face so hard, it’s an embarrassment for all Americans
I mean it’s not quite the era of post election flexibility aka the great bendover. But you might be on to something. Let us know when Kim annexes South Korea or installs the next POTUS.
It’s just such an unholy ass kicking, I admire trump for having a strong chin because, jfc he’s getting demolished
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Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
There was zero substantive engagement with NK from a guy who criticized the previous administration for not directly negotiating with our so called enemies. The timeline of nuke and ICBM capability acceleration couldn’t be more clear.
But continue to get all pissed off as usual when your guy’s shittyness is exposed.
The acceleration of technology in general, information, resources, etc went crazy during this time. That is a blatantly old man response to something you don’t understand.
Bill Clinton grew the economy tremendously during his stint in office. He wasn’t Al Gore, he didn’t create the internet. Why did the internet grow so rapidly? Because of access to information that people could use to build new things.
You are completely out of your element you rough ridin' 50+ tin foil hat moron. I get that you don’t understand how exponential growth of available information(including nuclear and rocket info) could lead to exponential growth in 40 year old tech.
Your continued lack of concept of how this could happen is not at all surprising tho. Tune that radio back to your youth, when everything was great.
That’s just a bunch of reaching gobble gook.
We’re talking nukes and delivery systems. The original nuclear powers all had what NK was on the cusp of developing while Obama was president 30 and 40 years before the Internet was a thing.
You are completely out of your element, you are utterly clueless in this matter.
I am completely spot on. They may have researched it for years, but with the Information Age they had access to confirmed docs. NK went from tiny explosives to ICBM tech in a decade. Why? Because of the internet.
Oh wait!? Was that during newer times!? No way!?
You can try and convince yourself you are right here but that’s only after the tin foil hat goes on.
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Good lord he is dunking on trump’s face so hard, it’s an embarrassment for all Americans
I mean it’s not quite the era of post election flexibility aka the great bendover. But you might be on to something. Let us know when Kim annexes South Korea or installs the next POTUS.
It’s just such an unholy ass kicking, I admire trump for having a strong chin because, jfc he’s getting demolished
You’re really dumbing down unholy ass kicking on a Geo-political level. But you desperately need a win so I’ll allow it.
It’s almost the participation ribbon of unholy ass kicking based on where the bar is set.
But pussification of America takes a toll and waters things down, ya know.
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Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
There was zero substantive engagement with NK from a guy who criticized the previous administration for not directly negotiating with our so called enemies. The timeline of nuke and ICBM capability acceleration couldn’t be more clear.
But continue to get all pissed off as usual when your guy’s shittyness is exposed.
The acceleration of technology in general, information, resources, etc went crazy during this time. That is a blatantly old man response to something you don’t understand.
Bill Clinton grew the economy tremendously during his stint in office. He wasn’t Al Gore, he didn’t create the internet. Why did the internet grow so rapidly? Because of access to information that people could use to build new things.
You are completely out of your element you rough ridin' 50+ tin foil hat moron. I get that you don’t understand how exponential growth of available information(including nuclear and rocket info) could lead to exponential growth in 40 year old tech.
Your continued lack of concept of how this could happen is not at all surprising tho. Tune that radio back to your youth, when everything was great.
That’s just a bunch of reaching gobble gook.
We’re talking nukes and delivery systems. The original nuclear powers all had what NK was on the cusp of developing while Obama was president 30 and 40 years before the Internet was a thing.
You are completely out of your element, you are utterly clueless in this matter.
I am completely spot on. They may have researched it for years, but with the Information Age they had access to confirmed docs. NK went from tiny explosives to ICBM tech in a decade. Why? Because of the internet.
Oh wait!? Was that during newer times!? No way!?
You can try and convince yourself you are right here but that’s only after the tin foil hat goes on.
First of all, NK development of Nuclear Weapons and delivery systems is not a conspiracy.
Lol at your constant referencing the Internet
Your guy did not engage NK on any substantive level, period. While fully knowing they were sharing information with Iran and likely getting a rapid uptick in technology prowess on rockets and nukes from entities that used to reside in the Eastern Bloc.
The rest of your spiel is just nonsensical nothingness.
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:lol: ok Adax Jones.
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:lol: ok Adax Jones.
Tapout noted and accepted.
Only a total clueless dumbass would try to say that this is a conspiracy. But I know I’m talking to the same idiot who said the responsibilities of the executive branch was a conspiracy.
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Here ya go The Big Tuck.
https://m.dw.com/en/where-did-north-korea-get-its-missile-technology/a-40107204
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/world/asia/north-korea-missiles-ukraine-factory.html
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This is going to end for the libtards the same way the trade war with europe ended, complete and total victory for don.
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He’s got an iron jaw, I’ll give him that. Most normal men would fold from the haymakers Kim keeps landing
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Dug would rather be at war.
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Rubeout Rubestone demonstrating his unyielding commitment to posting the same banal post over and over again ,galvanizing his position on the spectrum for all to see.
:zzz:
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This is going to end for the libtards the same way the trade war with europe ended, complete and total victory for don.
NK hasn’t done a couple of things in quite a long time relative to the pace they were on before Trump turned up the heat.
If only Trump had taken Kim to a Nats game :frown
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Confused hayseeds unite lol
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Confused hayseeds unite lol
This is the new resident LibBot tapout.
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Rubeout Rubestone appears to have malfunctioned. The pull string may be stuck, or even broken.
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In the chameleon like ways of the unhinged NeoLib/NewNeoCon
It's almost like they're pining for the days of NK launching their Soviet knockoff ICBM's all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies in the region.
Really weird, but not unexpected.
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I agree with Dax that Obama should have invaded North Korea, denuclearized them, and let South Korea annex them. We would be a lot better off now if Obama would have had more backbone.
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I agree with Dax that Obama should have invaded North Korea, denuclearized them, and let South Korea annex them. We would be a lot better off now if Obama would have had more backbone.
Or as I actually said, just negotiate with them.
Like he said we should do with all of our so called enemies when he was a Senator.
Hey, remember when Obama won that Nobel Peace Prize for talking about reducing Nuclear Weapons and then signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in world history? Gotta admit, kinda like a boss on that one.
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I agree with Dax that Obama should have invaded North Korea, denuclearized them, and let South Korea annex them. We would be a lot better off now if Obama would have had more backbone.
Or as I actually said, just negotiate with them.
Like he said we should do with all of our so called enemies when he was a Senator.
Hey, remember when Obama won that Nobel Peace Prize for talking about reducing Nuclear Weapons and then signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in world history? Gotta admit, kinda like a boss on that one.
A negotiation requires two parties acting in good faith. You don't get that from dictators like Kim. Look at how poorly it's going for Trump.
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Good point, why even try?
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I agree with Dax that Obama should have invaded North Korea, denuclearized them, and let South Korea annex them. We would be a lot better off now if Obama would have had more backbone.
Or as I actually said, just negotiate with them.
Like he said we should do with all of our so called enemies when he was a Senator.
Hey, remember when Obama won that Nobel Peace Prize for talking about reducing Nuclear Weapons and then signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in world history? Gotta admit, kinda like a boss on that one.
A negotiation requires two parties acting in good faith. You don't get that from dictators like Kim. Look at how poorly it's going for Trump.
You never know if a party is going to act in good faith until you actually, you know, try and negotiate with them.
But LOL at LibBots taking this tact knowing full well that Barry barely met a dictator he didn't want in power with two notable and disastrous exceptions (almost a 3rd).
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This is Drago v. Creed but Trump is still staying upright.
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This is Drago v. Creed but Trump is still staying upright.
Who is Rocky in this? Why don't they throw the towel
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Look, it's The "everything is a conspiracy" Big Tuck
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It's fun when dax calls out other people about conspiracy theories. It's like when trump calls other people low iq
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This is Drago v. Creed but Trump is still staying upright.
Who is Rocky in this? Why don't they throw the towel
Working on that, hadn’t thought it all the way through. I know Adrian is Marla maples tho
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You never know if a party is going to act in good faith until you actually, you know, try and negotiate with them.
Yes, we've never tried to negotiate with North Korea before. As a result, there were also no North Korea experts accurately predicting exactly what would happen here.
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It's fun when dax calls out other people about conspiracy theories. It's like when trump calls other people low iq
He’s referenced that several times and what he’s referencing was me joking with him about how he turns everything into a conspiracy theory, not me saying I thought it was one. He gets so confused these days I haven’t had the heart to tell him. :frown:
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It's fun when dax calls out other people about conspiracy theories. It's like when trump calls other people low iq
He’s referenced that several times and what he’s referencing was me joking with him about how he turns everything into a conspiracy theory, not me saying I thought it was one. He gets so confused these days I haven’t had the heart to tell him. :frown:
:lol: Everytime I'm smacking you with reality you play the conspiracy or Alex Jones card.
Did you read the two articles I posted?
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It's fun when dax calls out other people about conspiracy theories. It's like when trump calls other people low iq
He’s referenced that several times and what he’s referencing was me joking with him about how he turns everything into a conspiracy theory, not me saying I thought it was one. He gets so confused these days I haven’t had the heart to tell him. :frown:
It's the new playbook. Like the SG county yokels calling me a rube after I've already joked at what hayseeds they have to be.
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You never know if a party is going to act in good faith until you actually, you know, try and negotiate with them.
Yes, we've never tried to negotiate with North Korea before. As a result, there were also no North Korea experts accurately predicting exactly what would happen here.
I never said we hadn't tried to negotiate with North Korea before.
So, while there was minimal at best engagement with North Korea (okay, none), they were using Soviet ICBM designs to build better missiles and then they started launching them all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies. While there was minimal engagement with North Korea (okay, none) they were developing smaller and more powerful Nukes.
Barrack Obama paid for a shitty unsigned Iranian nuclear deal, but wouldn't engage a country that already had nukes and was getting better ICBM's. Weird tactics for a guy who won a Nobel Peace prize for talking about eliminating nuclear weapons.
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It's fun when dax calls out other people about conspiracy theories. It's like when trump calls other people low iq
He’s referenced that several times and what he’s referencing was me joking with him about how he turns everything into a conspiracy theory, not me saying I thought it was one. He gets so confused these days I haven’t had the heart to tell him. :frown:
It's the new playbook. Like the SG county yokels calling me a rube after I've already joked at what hayseeds they have to be.
:lol: at The Big Tuck now saying he was joking. :lol:
Dug, you've been awful lately. Either step up your game or take a couple of weeks off.
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that was an easy tap-out. but I get it.
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that was an easy tap-out. but I get it.
You're whole LibBot7 Jr. shtick is old. You gotta anything of substance to add?
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You never know if a party is going to act in good faith until you actually, you know, try and negotiate with them.
Yes, we've never tried to negotiate with North Korea before. As a result, there were also no North Korea experts accurately predicting exactly what would happen here.
I never said we hadn't tried to negotiate with North Korea before.
So, while there was minimal at best engagement with North Korea (okay, none), they were using Soviet ICBM designs to build better missiles and then they started launching them all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies. While there was minimal engagement with North Korea (okay, none) they were developing smaller and more powerful Nukes.
Barrack Obama paid for a shitty unsigned Iranian nuclear deal, but wouldn't engage a country that already had nukes and was getting better ICBM's. Weird tactics for a guy who won a Nobel Peace prize for talking about eliminating nuclear weapons.
The only thing that could have stopped North Korea was war and a regime change. That would still stop them, but I think South Korea would probably eat some nukes if we tried it now.
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You never know if a party is going to act in good faith until you actually, you know, try and negotiate with them.
Yes, we've never tried to negotiate with North Korea before. As a result, there were also no North Korea experts accurately predicting exactly what would happen here.
I never said we hadn't tried to negotiate with North Korea before.
So, while there was minimal at best engagement with North Korea (okay, none), they were using Soviet ICBM designs to build better missiles and then they started launching them all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies. While there was minimal engagement with North Korea (okay, none) they were developing smaller and more powerful Nukes.
Barrack Obama paid for a shitty unsigned Iranian nuclear deal, but wouldn't engage a country that already had nukes and was getting better ICBM's. Weird tactics for a guy who won a Nobel Peace prize for talking about eliminating nuclear weapons.
The only thing that could have stopped North Korea was war and a regime change. That would still stop them, but I think South Korea would probably eat some nukes if we tried it now.
You're basically down to two choices when a country is firing ballistic missiles around in an indiscriminate fashion.
It seems that the New NeoCons have made their choice. Sad.
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GWB picked the wrong country to liberate, unfortunately.
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GWB picked the wrong country to liberate, unfortunately.
I don't disagree, but liberating NK would have been far bloodier.
Everything is in place to turn up the pressure militarily, but every avenue of diplomatic pressure must be used.
The other challenge is China, because they've seen what's happened during the encirclement of Russia process, and they don't want NK to change their sphere of influence.
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I had no idea the libs were in such a hurry to declare NK the winner. Reminds me of the texas governor in the royals stros series, except the royals were at least losing at the time.
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I had no idea the libs were in such a hurry to declare NK the winner. Reminds me of the texas governor in the royals stros series, except the royals were at least losing at the time.
Well North Korea is at or near the top of the list of things that Libbots fully support, so . . .
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Every time they desperately declare some rando person the victor over trump, trump immediately obtains complete and total surrender.
You can set your watch to it.
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Every time they desperately declare some rando person the victor over trump, trump immediately obtains complete and total surrender.
You can set your watch to it.
Well, they're already unhinged by Trump getting out of the utterly meaningless-kick the can down the road Iranian Nuclear Deal.
The only thing left is overt support for the Iranian mullahs and their theocratic "republic".
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Bloodthirsty warpig DAX needs that sweet sweet regime change
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Bloodthirsty warpig DAX needs that sweet sweet regime change
Nope, your guy was the last one engaged in regime change, and you were willingly complicit. Created a huge mess we're still paying for today.
Just say NO to the New NeoCons!
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Let's turn the whole place into glass, right bloodthirsty warpig DAX? Whoooop!
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Say it with me now:
Hegemony
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Let's turn the whole place into glass, right bloodthirsty warpig DAX? Whoooop!
If I actually did think like that (and I don't), big shout out to your guy for signing off on that Trillion dollar nuke upgrade package.
That glass will have a little extra sheen on it thanks to Barry.
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Let's turn the whole place into glass, right bloodthirsty warpig DAX? Whoooop!
If I actually did think like that (and I don't), big shout out to your guy for signing off on that Trillion dollar nuke upgrade package.
That glass will have a little extra sheen on it thanks to Barry.
holy crap
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The libtard shift from unyielding support for the b.o. era of bend over and take it in the ass diplomacy while standing down as murdering pirates ethnically clense large sections of asia and africa and russia reconstitutes the ussr
TO we need to war with everyone and negotiate nothing
has been a bizarre are prominent symptom of their TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) and general lack of anything that could resemble principles.
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The libtard shift from unyielding support for the b.o. era of bend over and take it in the ass diplomacy while standing down as murdering pirates ethnically clense large sections of asia and africa and russia reconstitutes the ussr
TO we need to war with everyone and negotiate nothing
has been a bizarre are prominent symptom of their TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) and general lack of anything that could resemble principles.
Lol Republicans who back Trump pontificating on principles.
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The libtard shift from unyielding support for the b.o. era of bend over and take it in the ass diplomacy while standing down as murdering pirates ethnically clense large sections of asia and africa and russia reconstitutes the ussr
TO we need to war with everyone and negotiate nothing
has been a bizarre are prominent symptom of their TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) and general lack of anything that could resemble principles.
It's really worse.
They were fully complicit with either a total bendover on one side and/or some of the stupidest and most unnecessary regime change/attempted regime changes in modern American history.
They're in full support of the most eff'd up era of U.S. foreign policy, possibly ever.
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wait, pirates? holy crap X2
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Haven't you seen that "I'm the captain now" movie?
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Resident LibBot Deflecto Meter gets turned to 11.
SMDH, sad
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:garr:
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Resident LibBot Deflecto Meter gets turned to 11.
SMDH, sad
They simply do not know how to act when identified as hypocrites and devoid of principles. It's pathetic.
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Like taking a toy from a child
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https://globalnews.ca/news/4380329/north-korea-heat-wave-crops-fails-red-cross/?utm_source=%40globalnews&utm_medium=Twitter
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https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty/status/1031867290168569856
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:horrorsurprise:
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Mission accomplished!
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1033045273361178624
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Fudge, that’s a dunking
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Well at least Trump will sanction the crap out of them again now
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2018/08/27/why-trump-cancelled-pompeos-trip-to-north-korea/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.60bf3137c2af
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Wait, so we are moving even further back? We had a mission accomplished then a baby step back and now this!? Trump did what W did and landed on an Aircraft Carrier delivering the all clear. I thought Trump was different and knew how to win, because we are still winning, you know. This type of thing is pretty easy and stuff, and winning, and Obama and Clinton failed and stuff, and Trump is making progress, until he's not.
Man, I thought it was so easy to deal with the North Koreans.
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Big win for the resident New NeoCons, congrats!
https://ntknetwork.com/mattis-military-exercises-with-south-korea-back-on/
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Bolton is obviously the one rough ridin' all of this up.
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/29/17795452/trump-north-korea-war-summit-singapore-promise (https://www.vox.com/2018/8/29/17795452/trump-north-korea-war-summit-singapore-promise)
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https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1037320449334697984
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In the past, the regime has promised to return the remains of servicemen, but actually handed over unidentifiable bones of many people and some animals.
The latest batch of 55 boxes of remains from North Korea has just been received, and appears to fit the historic pattern. According to the Associated Press, the boxes contain “a single military dog tag but no other information that could help U.S. forensics experts determine their individual identities.”
https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/1024842035273052160
:cry: I'm sure this "journo" will apologize for his cynicism :lol:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/trump-identifies-korean-war-soldiers-remains-returned-by-north-korea.html
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The U.S. has increased its tempo of overflights in the South China Sea.
Not only did The Era of the Post Election Bend Over include Obama getting completely dunked on by Putin and Kim Jung (as the U.S. did N O T H I N G), Xi stood right next to the dude in the Rose Garden at the White House and promised not to militarize the South China Sea and then went out and militarized the South China Sea.
My gawd the messes . . . .
List of entities and countries that just flat owned Barrack Obama:
Iran
North Korea
China
Russia
But he did good job of spying on European allies and U.S. journalists.
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Barrack Obama:
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Words can't begin to describe the unmitigated failure of the so called "Asian Pivot" from a foreign policy perspective.
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Words can't begin to describe
coming up on 25k posts attempting to prove otherwise
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lol
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B.O. was an abject failure. Deal with it.
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B.O. was an abject failure. Deal with it.
So not to be outdone, you guys had to vote in DJT? Talk about keeping up with the Jones.
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DJT is better than B.O. Deal with it
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DJT is better than B.O. Deal with it
:block:
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The BO record is just abysmal on foreign policy. What a disaster.
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The BO record is just abysmal on foreign policy. What a disaster.
His domestic policy sucks rocks just as hard.
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The BO record is just abysmal on foreign policy. What a disaster.
His domestic policy sucks rocks just as hard.
Part of the reason why the economy either has to be talked down, or co-opted.
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will South Korea force us to declare end to Korean War...
stay tuned!
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That's lagging by 7 or 8 months?
Remember, we were told that 2% or less GDP growth was the "new normal".
Does that factor in job openings? We're all time record job openings right now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-worker-shortage-1530807341
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:lol:
So desperate
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As long as you say nice things even if you murder and torture your own people Trump will love you.
https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/1046328225889243141
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https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/status/1070399487246516224
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lol @katkid.
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1075630289995620352
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Was just searching for this thread
https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/1075641602696196096
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Why bother trying to obtain peace with North Korea: The New War Hawks aka LibBot Nation
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Weird post
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The BO record is just abysmal on foreign policy. What a disaster.
His domestic policy sucks rocks just as hard.
Part of the reason why the economy either has to be talked down, or co-opted.
so about that
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Mission accomplished
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-missiles/north-korea-deemed-extraordinary-threat-in-trump-missile-defense-review-idUSKCN1PB04V
:cry:
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:lol:
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1090688364058165251
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The Greatest Bend over about to go down
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When was the last time they lobbed a missile over the top of our allies?
Pro tip: The whole repositioning of US defense will be towards strategic initiatives, not overthrowing defenseless countries in North Africa.
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Such unparalleled loyalty. Dax, you vying for a cabinet position? Secretary Dax has a nice ring to it.
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Such unparalleled loyalty. Dax, you vying for a cabinet position? Secretary Dax has a nice ring to it.
Weird post from a weirdo.
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That's lagging by 7 or 8 months?
Remember, we were told that 2% or less GDP growth was the "new normal".
Does that factor in job openings? We're all time record job openings right now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-worker-shortage-1530807341
2.3% :emawkid:
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"2% or less"
Plus Lick, the old horrible regime extolled the virtues and acceptance of "2% or less".
Always happy to keep you straight.
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Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
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Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
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The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
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"We're bringing [the Gross Domestic Product] from 1 percent up to 4 percent," he said. "And I actually think we can go higher than 4 percent. I think you can go to 5 percent or 6 percent."
:impatient:
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1101009586494988288
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lol
https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/1101018504692674562
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/996577027653324801
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It’s almost like this is something that lower level diplomats could have figured well ahead of this embarrassing “summit.”
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/549590421190770688
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https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/1101091935559680000
https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/1101092442164539393
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Trump idolizes dictators
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How many pictures of your guy gushing all over thugs from around the world do I need to post?
In terms of N Korea it’s just sad to see LibDerp Nation hoping the peace process fails.
It seems LibDerp Nation would just prefer the missiles were flying and we were on the brink of war so Trump looks bad.
Pretty sad and frankly, pathetic.
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As a member of libderp nation, I personally do not want to see missiles flying.
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in favor of the peace process
believe it could be managed differently (stop hanging "mission accomplished banners"
but still see it as progress
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for a little guy he sure can dunk
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I've always loved this topic. Libbots have an out both ways.
Trump wins: "Awesome, he's negotiating with a rough ridin' monster dictator. Disgusting"
Trump loses: "lol. He so got dunked on. Kim and Kim's sister keep stealing the show. What an alpha and what a failure for trump"
Pretty amazing strategy if you ask me.
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I've always loved this topic. Libbots have an out both ways.
Trump wins: "Awesome, he's negotiating with a rough ridin' monster dictator. Disgusting"
Trump loses: "lol. He so got dunked on. Kim and Kim's sister keep stealing the show. What an alpha and what a failure for trump"
Pretty amazing strategy if you ask me.
Point one still applies to point two, fwiw
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I watched the Interview the other day.
the first 30-40 minutes is pretty funny as long as you like Rogan and Franco doing their thing.
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The fact that wackycat08 thinks the outcomes of the Korean peace process are "Trump wins" and "Trump loses" is a perfect example of the maga worldview.
Yikes
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Nailed it, lib.
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Maybe if Trump stopped thinking of everything as a zero sum game he'd stop losing all the time.
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I like that trump cut the meeting short. Let that Lil dictator hang s bit in the wind.
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Reason #1 The Talks are stalled: Libya
Reason #2 The Talks are stalled: Syria
Reason #3 The Talks are stalled: Iraq
Reason #4 The Talks are stalled: North Korea wants the same treatment as Pakistan and India (and Israel) get
Reason #5 (a distant 5th) The Talks are stalled: Venezuela
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Reason #1 talks are stalled: dictators with nukes don’t get deposed and killed while dictators without nukes do. Kim is never giving up his nukes
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Reason #1 talks are stalled: dictators with nukes don’t get deposed and killed while dictators without nukes do. Kim is never giving up his nukes
You're a deep thinker 8man
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I really thought this was going to be Trump's big moment to stand over KJU, stick his finger in his chest, and say eff you.
For many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,” he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.” According to oscar G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific” deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “eff you!”
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/26/president-trumps-first-term
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I really thought this was going to be Trump's big moment to stand over KJU, stick his finger in his chest, and say eff you.
For many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,” he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.” According to oscar G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific” deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “eff you!”
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/26/president-trumps-first-term
So Trump hated the Russians before he loved them?
For Ronnie Raygun, one day it was the "Evil Empire" the next, photo ops with Gorby.
Glad we're not all monolithic thinkers like ChumDummy.
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Reason #1 talks are stalled: dictators with nukes don’t get deposed and killed while dictators without nukes do. Kim is never giving up his nukes
You're a deep thinker 8man
Just wanted to simplify your list.
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I really thought this was going to be Trump's big moment to stand over KJU, stick his finger in his chest, and say eff you.
For many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,” he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.” According to oscar G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific” deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “eff you!”
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/26/president-trumps-first-term
So Trump hated the Russians before he loved them?
For Ronnie Raygun, one day it was the "Evil Empire" the next, photo ops with Gorby.
Glad we're not all monolithic thinkers like ChumDummy.
I don't think he had completely ruined his credit and become dependent on them by 1990.
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odds he comes back and claims he denuked them a second time for the incels to believe?
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turns out it's a lot harder to negotiate and make deals with people when they don't want the same thing you want. Donny finding out that that politics isn't that much like building overpriced condominiums.
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I really thought this was going to be Trump's big moment to stand over KJU, stick his finger in his chest, and say eff you.
For many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,” he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.” According to oscar G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific” deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “eff you!”
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/26/president-trumps-first-term
he really is a moron
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Killing it
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1101584064979456000
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they need to raise the rim for kim
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appeasement :frown:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1102005275245142016
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buttery soft
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Dax: Obama :curse: :curse: :curse:
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He needs to facetime or something. Meeting in person is getting his ass kicked. he is 0-2
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https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1102247941941669888?s=21
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The daxplaining and backtracking on that statement is p lol
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LibDerp Nation and the peace movement in South Korea used to protest those military drills and demand US troops exit the country.
Now LibDerp Nation demands more and larger military drills.
#sellouts
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the deal masters
https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1102423751524868097
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LibDerp Nation and the peace movement in South Korea used to protest those military drills and demand US troops exit the country.
Now LibDerp Nation demands more and larger military drills.
#sellouts
The problem appears to be you and the president just don't even understand what negotiating is.
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LibDerp Nation and the peace movement in South Korea used to protest those military drills and demand US troops exit the country.
Now LibDerp Nation demands more and larger military drills.
#sellouts
I've always supported joint exercises with SK and think it is a key installment for us to maintain. I hope we never leave SK, that's a pretty strategic location
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could also go in russia thread or lol thread
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1102951928500232192
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I couldn't do deals like a deal master because I was too concerned about my former attorney owning me on tv. a lot of people are saying it. the russians and north koreans as a couple examples. a lot of people are.
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I couldn't do deals like a deal master because I was too concerned about my former attorney owning me on tv. a lot of people are saying it. the russians and north koreans as a couple examples. a lot of people are.
:ROFL:
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Sorry haters!
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Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
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The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
:Ugh:
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
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Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
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The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
:Ugh:
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
The next step will be for the administration to start preaching to the American public that this kind of tepid growth is just the way it's always going to be, never expect anything more, so everybody should just learn to code.f Double down on that message when unemployment goes back up to 7 or 8%, just remind everybody that the United States glory days are long since past and this is the new normal.
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the next step is much more likely to be a major freak out over SNL reruns from last christmas
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Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
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The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
:Ugh:
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
The next step will be for the administration to start preaching to the American public that this kind of tepid growth is just the way it's always going to be, never expect anything more, so everybody should just learn to code.f Double down on that message when unemployment goes back up to 7 or 8%, just remind everybody that the United States glory days are long since past and this is the new normal.
just wait for that trickle down tho...
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Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
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The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
:Ugh:
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
The next step will be for the administration to start preaching to the American public that this kind of tepid growth is just the way it's always going to be, never expect anything more, so everybody should just learn to code.f Double down on that message when unemployment goes back up to 7 or 8%, just remind everybody that the United States glory days are long since past and this is the new normal.
just wait for that trickle down tho...
Weird you how LibDerps always say that when the wealth gap accelerated dramatically after 8 years with your guy. But he sure did sound good when he was up there reading off that Tele-Prompter.
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Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
]
The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
:Ugh:
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
The next step will be for the administration to start preaching to the American public that this kind of tepid growth is just the way it's always going to be, never expect anything more, so everybody should just learn to code.f Double down on that message when unemployment goes back up to 7 or 8%, just remind everybody that the United States glory days are long since past and this is the new normal.
just wait for that trickle down tho...
Weird you how LibDerps always say that when the wealth gap accelerated dramatically after 8 years with your guy. But he sure did sound good when he was up there reading off that Tele-Prompter.
weird how whack-a-doo cons accused him of being a socialist dictator
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Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
]
The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
:Ugh:
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
The next step will be for the administration to start preaching to the American public that this kind of tepid growth is just the way it's always going to be, never expect anything more, so everybody should just learn to code.f Double down on that message when unemployment goes back up to 7 or 8%, just remind everybody that the United States glory days are long since past and this is the new normal.
just wait for that trickle down tho...
Weird you how LibDerps always say that when the wealth gap accelerated dramatically after 8 years with your guy. But he sure did sound good when he was up there reading off that Tele-Prompter.
weird how whack-a-doo cons accused him of being a socialist dictator
You'll have to start a new thread to discuss all the Banana Republic BS your guy was up to, and most socialist dictators are going to herald the new normal from the mountaintops.
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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1109150435204648963
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https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1109246900228771840
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lol holy fuk
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lmao
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He is ku football
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The real reason why the summit broke down?
https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/03/13/inenglish/1552464196_279320.html
Plus, why does LibDerp Nation think more sanctions are going to change anything. All kinds of sanctions on NK in the past, still got nukes, still built missiles still exported that technology to places like Iran.
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I agree dax. We should let Moon take the lead in these negotiations and kick Bolton to the curb.
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being dunked on by a guy who's country eats dirt for dinner. America 2019. Great job everybody
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8 years to stop the nuke development, stop the missile development, stop the export of missile technology, and . . . nothing.
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You can’t be emasculated more than trump is
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The real reason why the summit broke down?
https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/03/13/inenglish/1552464196_279320.html
Plus, why does LibDerp Nation think more sanctions are going to change anything. All kinds of sanctions on NK in the past, still got nukes, still built missiles still exported that technology to places like Iran.
not sure what the appropriate solution to the NK situation is
i am actually in favor with the normalization of relations we are pursuing but think this santions situation was totally botched
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Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
]
The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
https://libn.com/2019/07/26/q2-gdp-comes-in-at-2-1-while-2018-revised-down-from-3/
wtf is this?
not even 1.5 trilly in tax cuts could change the "new normal"?
thought Laffer was bringin the jet fuel...
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Previous Administration: :excited:, #newnormal, just be happy there's any growth at all, LEARN TO CODE!
Current Administration: Frustration with nominal growth
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well at least there frustrated with massively underachieving there projections
at least this administration is not amassing staggering deficits that pubs super duper hate
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https://www.kiplinger.com/article/business/T019-C000-S010-gdp-growth-rate-and-forecast.html
the new normal :frown:
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https://www.kiplinger.com/article/business/T019-C000-S010-gdp-growth-rate-and-forecast.html
the new normal :frown:
Nobody is happy about that, weird takes from a full blown supporter of the new normal/just accept it administration #learntocode!
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I just thought that inheriting a great economy kicking trade wars ass and injecting high octane laffernomics was a can't lose strategy
who knew?
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Previous Administration: :excited:, #newnormal, just be happy there's any growth at all, LEARN TO CODE!
Current Administration: Frustration with nominal growth
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/15/gdp-economic-growth-close-to-negative-for-q4-according-to-fed-gauges.html
Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell told lawmakers the outlook for the U.S. economy is good but lower economic growth, along with low interest rates and low inflation was the 'new normal.'
Get em Dax!
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Previous Administration: :excited:, #newnormal, just be happy there's any growth at all, LEARN TO CODE!
Current Administration: Frustration with nominal growth
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/15/gdp-economic-growth-close-to-negative-for-q4-according-to-fed-gauges.html
Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell told lawmakers the outlook for the U.S. economy is good but lower economic growth, along with low interest rates and low inflation was the 'new normal.'
Get em Dax!
Prior administration: Learn to Code!
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https://twitter.com/OKnox/status/1196447196234833928
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hanging on the rim
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1196080086686011398
Just yesterday, he thought he was going to see Kim soon. :frown:
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love affair is over
:bawl:
dotard is back
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After seeing a satellite image showing that Seoul — South Korea’s capital, home to 10 million inhabitants — sits just 15 miles south of the country’s heavily militarized border with the North, Trump asked, “Why is Seoul so close to the North Korean border?”
He then made a rather unorthodox suggestion: “They have to move,” Trump said, referring to the city’s residents. “They have to move!” he repeated.
https://www.vox.com/world/2019/12/5/20996986/trump-seoul-north-korea-move-bergen-book
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/26tPo9rksWnfPo4HS/giphy.gif)
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dax :frown:
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:lol: awesome.
Keen understanding of poor strategic planning on the part of the SK's.
In the Korean War the NK's overran Seoul easily.
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:lol: awesome.
Keen understanding of poor strategic planning on the part of the SK's.
In the Korean War the NK's overran Seoul easily.
Thoughts on trump's surprise at the location and suggesting they move the capital city?
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:lol: awesome.
Keen understanding of poor strategic planning on the part of the SK's.
In the Korean War the NK's overran Seoul easily.
Thoughts on trump's surprise at the location and suggesting they move the capital city?
They've talked for decades how NK artillery can strike the center of Seoul.
Great strategic eye by our president.
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:lol: awesome.
Keen understanding of poor strategic planning on the part of the SK's.
In the Korean War the NK's overran Seoul easily.
Thoughts on trump's surprise at the location and suggesting they move the capital city?
They've talked for decades how NK artillery can strike the center of Seoul.
Great strategic eye by our president.
He learned where Seoul was in the past few days
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i think dax is joshin around here duggo
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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1202921125258448896
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(https://media1.giphy.com/media/26tkmIrwZP4BY0zII/giphy.gif)
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Folks!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/politics/kim-jong-un-north-korea/index.html
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twitter is pretty amaze right now with the news about this.
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twitter is pretty amaze right now with the news about this.
please link
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twitter is pretty amaze right now with the news about this.
please link
https://twitter.com/AntiheroKB/status/1252427600992931846
Just a lot of tweets like this one.
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Yeah, lots of dancing pall bearers and Peele sweatting.gifs
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twitter is pretty amaze right now with the news about this.
please link
https://twitter.com/AntiheroKB/status/1252427600992931846
Just a lot of tweets like this one.
:lol: that’s fantastic
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https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1252420399050022921
https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1252419884023087106
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https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1252420399050022921
https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1252419884023087106
https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1252450188712501248
Sounds like somebody got burned on a fake leak...
:ROFL:
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LOL
Was it CNN who first reported this?
Incredible
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Your guy Jacob's guy jack has it figured out
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1252443559053201408
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LOL
Was it CNN who first reported this?
Incredible
Actually NBC, I believe. Either way, score one for main stream media.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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LOL
Was it CNN who first reported this?
Incredible
Actually NBC, I believe. Either way, score one for main stream media.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Expect nothing less from NBCCP
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https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1253079188518645760
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insightful commentary
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https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1253079188518645760
Some people don't understand a single party state.
Kim Jung Un has been seen to reassert party control over the military during his tenure. The military currently only has one seat on the cabinet. The chief of state is also a relatively non military person, albeit his family lineage leans more towards military oversight and service.
Where Dobbs is being dumb (realizing this is edited) is that no one really has any idea what would happen if NK became a true military dictatorship.
Always happy to get Sys-Whack-A-Doo squared away.
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Hard to imagine China lets NK wild out too much.
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This is probably a good oppy for China to just swallow them up. Can’t imagine anyone would put up much of a fuss. Really a win for everyone.
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s korea and japan would fuss some.
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It would be a net positive for both and they know it
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I think we should just give China to nork
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LOL, there's millions of reasons why China doesn't want North Korea.
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I bet they’d take it if offered. Maybe not, but we should at least try!
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Russia would take it.
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Didn't Trump want to build a resort there?
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This is trump's America motherfuckers, put that sum'beech up for auction to the highest bidder.
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LibDork.9 Bot beep bop (flashing blue screen) beep bop (screen lock)
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It's star seed now
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https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1252420399050022921
https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1252419884023087106
She ALMOST had the scoop!!!
https://twitter.com/eyesonq/status/1253576011221999617
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One would think that NBCCP would have solid sources for that part of the world.
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Give NK to China still a valid play imo
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-politics-exclusive/exclusive-china-sent-team-including-medical-experts-to-advise-on-north-koreas-kim-sources-say-idUSKCN2263DW
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https://twitter.com/zorasuleman/status/1253864677312016388?s=21
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Wikipedia still doesn’t say he died so he’s probably not dead yet.
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https://twitter.com/ClearParadox/status/1253982819971366917
https://twitter.com/Tobi___23/status/1254050320575053826
https://twitter.com/AuntyNational/status/1253950455987744768
https://twitter.com/MsMelChen/status/1253946598993940480
https://twitter.com/Stalineof/status/1253967378842636288
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Does anybody know what happens when he dies? Who takes over?
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His sister
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Or a complete implosion and descent into anarchy with the international community scrambling to get to the nukes before a terrorist organization does, and China and South Korea dealing with mass refugees.
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another (brilliant) idea: we tell China they can have NK and we won't throw a fit and actually vaguely support it but they have to finance our covid-19 bailout.
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another (brilliant) idea: we tell China they can have NK and we won't throw a fit and actually vaguely support it but they have to finance our covid-19 bailout.
We give them NK without a fight and they forgive our debt. Louisiana purchase 2020.
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another (brilliant) idea: we tell China they can have NK and we won't throw a fit and actually vaguely support it but they have to finance our covid-19 bailout.
We give them NK without a fight and they forgive our debt. Louisiana purchase 2020.
eff it, give 'em South Korea too (sorry Puni) but they have to stop harassing Taiwan and rough ridin' around in the South China Sea.
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wait, did he really die?
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wait, did he really die?
TMZ reported it so likely
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They are not "harassing" Taiwan.
They fundamentally believe that Taiwan is, was, and always will be a part of China.
I honestly don't even think aquiring S. Korea (as impossible as that obvs is) would deter the One-China policy.
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well goddamn.
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They are not "harassing" Taiwan.
They fundamentally believe that Taiwan is, was, and always will be a part of China.
I honestly don't even think aquiring S. Korea (as impossible as that obvs is) would deter the One-China policy.
Yeah, dude, I get it. Keep in mind that we're talking about the absurd idea of negotiating with China to forgive our debt in exchange for giving them the control over a country that we have no control over. . .
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wait, did he really die?
TMZ reported it so likely
Actually TMZ didn't confirm
https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1254159622262460420
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You know who is definitely dead? That surgeon.
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You know who is definitely dead? That surgeon.
what if the sister arranged it?
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You know who is definitely dead? That surgeon.
what if the sister arranged it?
My guy Jesse Kelly with some non-covid hot takes!
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1254115499958579204
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intense MAGA energy in that tweet
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South Korea stated publicly he is alive and well, so that is interesting.
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Lick has a boner for China assimilating Taiwan.
Not surprising in the least.
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South Korea stated publicly he is alive and well, so that is interesting.
south korea probably has better sources than tmz.
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South Korea stated publicly he is alive and well, so that is interesting.
south korea probably has better sources than tmz.
i don't remember SK breaking Kobe's death
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that's a good point.
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*if* he is dead/dying, I have to imagine there will be a little bit of a power struggle.
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fun fact LickNeckey used to live with the son of a ROC (Taiwanese) diplomat
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The last 10-15 responses are like the keystone cops had a baby with the three stooges and it started reporting on world events.
Holy crap!! Do y'all share one brain and forget who has it when you post?
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The last 10-15 responses are like the keystone cops had a baby with the three stooges and it started reporting on world events.
Holy crap!! Do y'all share one brain and forget who has it when you post?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh the irony
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1256696015702425601
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Which is worse that body double or the one after they chopped up kashoggi in the embassy.
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1256696015702425601
But TMZ said he was dead and they did break the Kobe scoop, so how could they be wrong?!?!
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https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1507337668077756416