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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: steve dave on May 14, 2010, 03:15:02 PM
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Just saw him around noon today outside The Chef w/ his Mom lovin' life :blush:
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4,000th post. :pbj:
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Daddy Yankee used to never make me cry before. Now, I just sit in the dark and listen to "Rumpe" while sipping on whiskey and convincing myself that life is worth living...Denis es para siempre in mi corazon! Adios, world!
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Good bye and Good Riddance.
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Just saw him around noon today outside The Chef w/ his Mom lovin' life :blush:
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He is so f'ing adorable. :frown:
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This makes me want to cry.
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to be as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
LOL at you admitting how great he is now.
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Can't wait to see pictures tomorrow of Sherron eating breakfast prior to graduation while females are comfortable being within 10 feet of him. :rolleyes:
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
LOL at you admitting how great he is now.
When did I ever deny that Pullen and Clemente were studs?
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
LOL at you admitting how great he is now.
When did I ever deny that Pullen and Clemente were studs?
You used to claim Collins was a far superior player to Denis.
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to be as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to be as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
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Not at all, you are doing it wrong.
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to be as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
Pullen @ PG as a true freshman vs. #2 KU (the ass whooping) = 20 points. :dunno:
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
LOL at you admitting how great he is now.
When did I ever deny that Pullen and Clemente were studs?
You used to claim Collins was a far superior player to Denis.
Collins is likely going to be a first round NBA draft pick, while Denis will be lucky to get drafted at all. I wouldn't say Collins is "far superior," but he's a better player, no doubt.
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
LOL at you admitting how great he is now.
When did I ever deny that Pullen and Clemente were studs?
You used to claim Collins was a far superior player to Denis.
Collins is likely going to be a first round NBA draft pick, while Denis will be lucky to get drafted at all. I wouldn't say Collins is "far superior," but he's a better player, no doubt.
Yeah, good point about you guys prolly going in the toilet this season.
:surprised:
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to be as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
Pullen @ PG as a true freshman vs. #2 KU (the ass whooping) = 20 points. :dunno:
What's your point? Tyshawn Taylor put up 20 points as a freshman against K-State in an 87-71 blowout win in Lawrence.
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
LOL at you admitting how great he is now.
When did I ever deny that Pullen and Clemente were studs?
You used to claim Collins was a far superior player to Denis.
Collins is likely going to be a first round NBA draft pick, while Denis will be lucky to get drafted at all. I wouldn't say Collins is "far superior," but he's a better player, no doubt.
Yeah, good point about you guys prolly going in the toilet this season.
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Uhhh... I've seen KU ranked as high as preseason #4. Collins' replacement is the #1 overall prospect in the country (according to Rivals). I think we'll be okay.
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Remind me again who K-State is replacing Clemente with. TIA.
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:lol:
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Collins' replacement = Selby
Clemente's replacement = Irving/Canadian juco
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Collins' replacement = Selby
Clemente's replacement = Irving/Canadian juco
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Who is Clemente's replacement? Quit avoiding the question.
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Jake, Rodney, Russell, Martavious, etc. You can't say Denis is going to be a huge loss and Sharon isn't in the same breath. You can't say Cole was meaningless 2 months after saying he was the best defensive player in the league. Quit being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Jake, Rodney, Russell, Martavious, etc. You can't say Denis is going to be a huge loss and Sharon isn't in the same breath. You can't say Cole was meaningless 2 months after saying he was the best defensive player in the league. Quit being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
I'm not saying Collins and Aldrich aren't huge losses. I just feel good about their replacements. Not so sure when it comes to Irving, Russell, and Canadian Juco. McGruder is good, but he's not a point guard. He's not going to replace Clemente's role of point guard/floor general.
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McGruder is good, but he's not a point guard. He's not going to replace Clemente's role of point guard/floor general.
No, but he is going to replace Pullen who's going to play PG some. Who's going to be the new huge presence in the middle for KU? Whitey?
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Much like me not being able to tell the difference between Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) Morris twins, I don't think Beems knows the difference between "because of" and "in spite of".
I doubt there are any EMAWs saying recently* we'll be better next year with Denis gone, or because Denis is gone, or because we've got Irving/Spradling/Russell/Canada. EMAWs (and a large number of media) are saying KSU could be better next year because in spite of losing Clemente, we've got Pullen, Kelly, etc. coming back along with adequate fill-in newcomers.
All EMAWs are fully aware of how much Clemente will be missed, both in basketball attributes and in general EMAWsomeness. Unlike at ku, we don't flip a switch and become "haters" on our former players the second he leaves. We can't even say "well, at least elevator rapes should go down" to try to put a positive spin on it.
*this excludes the late 2009 clams' of the world who were saying we'd be better w/o Denis.
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thanks SD
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No, but he is going to replace Pullen who's going to play PG some.
Beems, what are you not getting about this?
Also, you do know that Pullen is actually a point guard. Just because he played the 2 when Denis was in the game doesn't make him not a point. It just made him K-State's best option to win. If they never got Denis, Pullen would have ran the point all year. While most of us will agree that Denis is a better point than Jake, the reason we all think K-State will be better next year is because although they are losing Denis, they will only get worse at the 1 and will get better or stay the same at the 5, 4, 3, and 2. So even though no one knows what will happen next year, on paper K-State will be better next year, and on paper, KU will be worse.
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Huge loss for K-State from a mental and a talent standpoint. Clemente was the balls of your guys' team. Pullen is great playing off of the ball, but I'm not sure he's going to be as effective at point guard. I have yet to see one K-State fan give me one good reason for why your team will be better next year without Clemente.
Pullen @ PG as a true freshman vs. #2 KU (the ass whooping) = 20 points. :dunno:
What's your point? Tyshawn Taylor put up 20 points as a freshman against K-State in an 87-71 blowout win in Lawrence.
That Jake did a hell of a job running our offense his freshman year and is a great PG/SG. Whichever position we need him at the most...
And LOL @ Sherron being a first rounder. Mid to late second rounder at best. Then the lbs rack up even more.
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Sheron was called the best player in the history of KU by many KU media types prior to him no longer playing for them, at which point he was called a loser. He was amazingly clutch and I hated him for it. Aldrich was called the best defensive player in the league for the last two season by everybody, EVERYBODY. He was the sole reason our bigs sucked ass v. KU for the last three years. Yet, ksu will be worse with the loss of Denis (who had no accolades coming into the season and even some of our own fanbase hated during the year) and BMW (but nobody else) thinks KU will be better with the loss of their two best players in the last 20 years who were both pre-season all americans. Yeah, that's what we're looking at here.
:rolleyes:
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BMW (but nobody else) thinks KU will be better with the loss of their two best players in the last 20 years who were both pre-season all americans. Yeah, that's what we're looking at here.
:rolleyes:
To be fair, most pickers (RP callback) have ku ranked somewhere in the top 20 for next year, whereas last year they ended up somewhere between 17 and 32, so I those guys think they'll be better. There's even that one guy BMW always cites that says they'll win the Big 12, which obviously would be an improvement over last year.
Back on topic though, it's really gonna suck for us (goEMAW) to not be able to call out heat checks, argue with middle managers about PR flags, share embraces in casinos and all the other things that made everyone love Denis (and made him Podcast #5 co-MVP winner).
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it's really gonna suck for us (goEMAW) to not be able to call out heat checks, argue with middle managers about PR flags, share embraces in casinos and all the other things that made everyone love Denis (and made him Podcast #5 co-MVP winner).
I miss him so hard already :frown:
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BMW (but nobody else) thinks KU will be better with the loss of their two best players in the last 20 years who were both pre-season all americans. Yeah, that's what we're looking at here.
:rolleyes:
To be fair, most pickers (RP callback) have ku ranked somewhere in the top 20 for next year, whereas last year they ended up somewhere between 17 and 32, so I those guys think they'll be better. There's even that one guy BMW always cites that says they'll win the Big 12, which obviously would be an improvement over last year.
Back on topic though, it's really gonna suck for us (goEMAW) to not be able to call out heat checks, argue with middle managers about PR flags, share embraces in casinos and all the other things that made everyone love Denis (and made him Podcast #5 co-MVP winner).
I think that any preseason picks from last year that had KU ranked that low were operating under the assumption that both Aldrich and Collins would go pro.
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BMW (but nobody else) thinks KU will be better with the loss of their two best players in the last 20 years who were both pre-season all americans. Yeah, that's what we're looking at here.
:rolleyes:
To be fair, most pickers (RP callback) have ku ranked somewhere in the top 20 for next year, whereas last year they ended up somewhere between 17 and 32, so I those guys think they'll be better. There's even that one guy BMW always cites that says they'll win the Big 12, which obviously would be an improvement over last year.
Back on topic though, it's really gonna suck for us (goEMAW) to not be able to call out heat checks, argue with middle managers about PR flags, share embraces in casinos and all the other things that made everyone love Denis (and made him Podcast #5 co-MVP winner).
I think that any preseason picks from last year that had KU ranked that low were operating under the assumption that both Aldrich and Collins would go pro.
Yeah, they were the consensus #1. I think you may have missed part of what trim was saying.
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BMW (but nobody else) thinks KU will be better with the loss of their two best players in the last 20 years who were both pre-season all americans. Yeah, that's what we're looking at here.
:rolleyes:
To be fair, most pickers (RP callback) have ku ranked somewhere in the top 20 for next year, whereas last year they ended up somewhere between 17 and 32, so I those guys think they'll be better. There's even that one guy BMW always cites that says they'll win the Big 12, which obviously would be an improvement over last year.
Back on topic though, it's really gonna suck for us (goEMAW) to not be able to call out heat checks, argue with middle managers about PR flags, share embraces in casinos and all the other things that made everyone love Denis (and made him Podcast #5 co-MVP winner).
I think that any preseason picks from last year that had KU ranked that low were operating under the assumption that both Aldrich and Collins would go pro.
Yeah, they were the consensus #1. I think you may have missed part of what trim was saying.
The bolded part.
If ku finishes next year as most people are picking them next year, they'll have improved on last year's 17th-32nd place finish. I agree with sd in that it'll be a remarkable accomplishment if they're able to improve next year despite losing Aldrich and rapist, but apparently the HBBIQ folks out there think they've got a shot. :dunno:
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BMW (but nobody else) thinks KU will be better with the loss of their two best players in the last 20 years who were both pre-season all americans. Yeah, that's what we're looking at here.
:rolleyes:
To be fair, most pickers (RP callback) have ku ranked somewhere in the top 20 for next year, whereas last year they ended up somewhere between 17 and 32, so I those guys think they'll be better. There's even that one guy BMW always cites that says they'll win the Big 12, which obviously would be an improvement over last year.
Back on topic though, it's really gonna suck for us (goEMAW) to not be able to call out heat checks, argue with middle managers about PR flags, share embraces in casinos and all the other things that made everyone love Denis (and made him Podcast #5 co-MVP winner).
I think that any preseason picks from last year that had KU ranked that low were operating under the assumption that both Aldrich and Collins would go pro.
Yeah, they were the consensus #1. I think you may have missed part of what trim was saying.
Sorry, I misread the post.
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JFC, Beems hit "post" on your surely absurd post you keep drafting and then canceling to re-read. :eye:
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Sheron was called the best player in the history of KU by many KU media types prior to him no longer playing for them, at which point he was called a loser. He was amazingly clutch and I hated him for it. Aldrich was called the best defensive player in the league for the last two season by everybody, EVERYBODY. He was the sole reason our bigs sucked ass v. KU for the last three years. Yet, ksu will be worse with the loss of Denis (who had no accolades coming into the season and even some of our own fanbase hated during the year) and BMW (but nobody else) thinks KU will be better with the loss of their two best players in the last 20 years who were both pre-season all americans. Yeah, that's what we're looking at here.
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Where have I said KU would be "better?" KU was preseason #1 last year. They're preseason top 10 this year. All I'm saying is that KU's replacement for Collins is better than what K-State's got for Clemente, even if you move Pullen to point guard and slide McGruder into the shooting guard spot.
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Who replacing Cole? The mongoloid twins won't be able to replicate what that guy did. Cole could bait refs and hit freethrows, FWIW, no other post player on KUs team is worth a damn. KU without a big dumbass :opcat: white center is headed right for the waterfall...
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Sheron was called the best player in the history of KU by many KU media types prior to him no longer playing for them, at which point he was called a loser. He was amazingly clutch and I hated him for it. Aldrich was called the best defensive player in the league for the last two season by everybody, EVERYBODY. He was the sole reason our bigs sucked ass v. KU for the last three years. Yet, ksu will be worse with the loss of Denis (who had no accolades coming into the season and even some of our own fanbase hated during the year) and BMW (but nobody else) thinks KU will be better with the loss of their two best players in the last 20 years who were both pre-season all americans. Yeah, that's what we're looking at here.
:rolleyes:
Where have I said KU would be "better?" KU was preseason #1 last year. They're preseason top 10 this year. All I'm saying is that KU's replacement for Collins is better than what K-State's got for Clemente, even if you move Pullen to point guard and slide McGruder into the shooting guard spot.
KU's replacement for Collins is worse than Collins. KU's replacement for Henry is worse than Henry. KU's replacement for Aldrich is Worse Than Aldrich.
K-State's replacement for Clemente is worse than Clemente. K-State's replacement for Colon is better than Colon. K-State's replacement for Merriwether is better than Merriwether. With everyone else returning from an elite 8 team, I think I like K-State's chances next year better than KU's.
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Saw him at about 2am gettin into his car last night. Said he was going home to Miami. :cry: Told him how much we'd all miss him. Colon too, he was leavin w/ him. :frown:
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KU's replacement for Collins is worse than Collins. KU's replacement for Henry is worse than Henry. KU's replacement for Aldrich is Worse Than Aldrich.
K-State's replacement for Clemente is worse than Clemente. K-State's replacement for Colon is better than Colon. K-State's replacement for Merriwether is better than Merriwether. With everyone else returning from an elite 8 team, I think I like K-State's chances next year better than KU's.
Well stated.
Selby will be a good player, no doubt. But BMW seems to be counting on him to be another John Wall. If so, that's great, but its much more likely he'll be Avery Bradley or Xavier Henry. Again, not a bad player, but not the guy you want to build the team around.
And BMW has this jedi trick all wrong anyway, in reality its much more likely Selby is the replacement for Xavier Henry; the replacement for Collins is Tyshawn Taylor.
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KU's replacement for Collins is worse than Collins. KU's replacement for Henry is worse than Henry. KU's replacement for Aldrich is Worse Than Aldrich.
K-State's replacement for Clemente is worse than Clemente. K-State's replacement for Colon is better than Colon. K-State's replacement for Merriwether is better than Merriwether. With everyone else returning from an elite 8 team, I think I like K-State's chances next year better than KU's.
Well stated.
Selby will be a good player, no doubt. But BMW seems to be counting on him to be another John Wall. If so, that's great, but its much more likely he'll be Avery Bradley or Xavier Henry. Again, not a bad player, but not the guy you want to build the team around.
And BMW has this jedi trick all wrong anyway, in reality its much more likely Selby is the replacement for Xavier Henry; the replacement for Collins is Tyshawn Taylor.
You guys are in hardcore denial mode. That's all I gotta say.
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KU's replacement for Collins is worse than Collins. KU's replacement for Henry is worse than Henry. KU's replacement for Aldrich is Worse Than Aldrich.
K-State's replacement for Clemente is worse than Clemente. K-State's replacement for Colon is better than Colon. K-State's replacement for Merriwether is better than Merriwether. With everyone else returning from an elite 8 team, I think I like K-State's chances next year better than KU's.
Well stated.
Selby will be a good player, no doubt. But BMW seems to be counting on him to be another John Wall. If so, that's great, but its much more likely he'll be Avery Bradley or Xavier Henry. Again, not a bad player, but not the guy you want to build the team around.
And BMW has this jedi trick all wrong anyway, in reality its much more likely Selby is the replacement for Xavier Henry; the replacement for Collins is Tyshawn Taylor.
You guys are in hardcore denial mode. That's all I gotta say.
Really, because some folks had better hypothetical thoughts than you? Validate us Wiseman.
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Josh Selby has the potential to be every bit as good as Collins. The Morris twins starting together in the frontcourt will add a different dynamic to the offense, with KU being able to play more up-tempo, and the Morris twins being able to shoot from the perimeter. Mario Little might not average as many points as Xavier Henry, but he doesn't need to. You will see a different Tyshawn Taylor next year now that Henry and Collins are gone as well.
I still have yet to see one K-State fan explain how losing Clemente and replacing him with Irving/Russell/Canadian Juco will make you guys better.
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Josh Selby has the potential to be every bit as good as Collins. The Morris twins starting together in the frontcourt will add a different dynamic to the offense, with KU being able to play more up-tempo, and the Morris twins being able to shoot from the perimeter. Mario Little might not average as many points as Xavier Henry, but he doesn't need to. You will see a different Tyshawn Taylor next year now that Henry and Collins are gone as well.
I still have yet to see one K-State fan explain how losing Clemente and replacing him with Irving/Russell/Canadian Juco will make you guys better.
I think we'll see a different Tyshawn Taylor as well. He's going to be a lot worse without those two guys to take the pressure off of him. Also, why don't you ever mention McGruder when talking about replacing Clemente? Pullen will move to pg.
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I still have yet to see one K-State fan explain how losing Clemente and replacing him with Irving/Russell/Canadian Juco will make you guys better.
Uh, you won't, you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Irving/Russell/Canadian Juco are a major drop-off from Clemente. That lone trade-off will not make KSU better.
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You guys are in hardcore denial mode. That's all I gotta say.
The entire rough ridin' country, every professional basketball writer, has K-State in the preseason top 5. You don't. Who is in denial?
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I still have yet to see one K-State fan explain how losing Clemente and replacing him with Irving/Russell/Canadian Juco will make you guys better.
Uh, you won't, you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Irving/Russell/Canadian Juco are a major drop-off from Clemente. That lone trade-off will not make KSU better.
Ben won't ever get it.
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Clemente's replacements aren't better it's that we have a go-to scorer down low. You don't think that woulda helped against Butler? If Curt could have had someone else to take the pressure off he could have saved himself for defense
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Just watched this little didi today to get the emaw up and flowing
lil didi (http://www.cbscollegesports.com/expectanything/embed.html?vPath=http://www.cbscollegesports.com/media/video/kstateconfidential/S_KSTATE_XAVIER_0327.flv)
feline quickness
I'm gonna miss you DC :bawl:
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I hope ku is good in men's basketball next year because the entire rest of its athletic program is a conference patsy.
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Josh Selby has the potential to be every bit as good as Collins. The Morris twins starting together in the frontcourt will add a different dynamic to the offense, with KU being able to play more up-tempo, and the Morris twins being able to shoot from the perimeter. Mario Little might not average as many points as Xavier Henry, but he doesn't need to. You will see a different Tyshawn Taylor next year now that Henry and Collins are gone as well.
I still have yet to see one K-State fan explain how losing Clemente and replacing him with Irving/Russell/Canadian Juco will make you guys better.
I think we'll see a different Tyshawn Taylor as well. He's going to be a lot worse without those two guys to take the pressure off of him. Also, why don't you ever mention McGruder when talking about replacing Clemente? Pullen will move to pg.
Taylor averaged nearly 10 ppg as a freshman (when he was relied on more to score). Maybe next time?
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Josh Selby has the potential to be every bit as good as Collins. The Morris twins starting together in the frontcourt will add a different dynamic to the offense, with KU being able to play more up-tempo, and the Morris twins being able to shoot from the perimeter. Mario Little might not average as many points as Xavier Henry, but he doesn't need to. You will see a different Tyshawn Taylor next year now that Henry and Collins are gone as well.
I still have yet to see one K-State fan explain how losing Clemente and replacing him with Irving/Russell/Canadian Juco will make you guys better.
I think we'll see a different Tyshawn Taylor as well. He's going to be a lot worse without those two guys to take the pressure off of him. Also, why don't you ever mention McGruder when talking about replacing Clemente? Pullen will move to pg.
Taylor averaged nearly 10 ppg as a freshman (when he was relied on more to score). Maybe next time?
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His FG%, 3FG%, and FT% all went down last year. And that's with Collins and Henry as the focus of the defense. Can't even imagine how bad he's going to be when the defense actually knows where he is on the court. Like so many others he is regressing under Bill Self. I feel horrible for him.
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Aldrich and Marcus Morris really regressed under Self as well. KU is only the 2nd school ever to have five players drafted in one NBA draft. But yeah, you're totally right. Taylor's off the court issues and his decreased role last season didn't have anything to do with his drop off... it was all Self's fault.
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Aldrich and Marcus Morris really regressed under Self as well. KU is only the 2nd school ever to have five players drafted in one NBA draft. But yeah, you're totally right. Taylor's off the court issues and his decreased role last season didn't have anything to do with his drop off... it was all Self's fault.
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Why would off the court issues and a decreased role make him shoot worse from every spot on the floor?
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you're all haters in denial :angry:
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Josh Selby has the potential to be every bit as good as Collins. The Morris twins starting together in the frontcourt will add a different dynamic to the offense, with KU being able to play more up-tempo, and the Morris twins being able to shoot from the perimeter. Mario Little might not average as many points as Xavier Henry, but he doesn't need to. You will see a different Tyshawn Taylor next year now that Henry and Collins are gone as well.
I still have yet to see one K-State fan explain how losing Clemente and replacing him with Irving/Russell/Canadian Juco will make you guys better.
I fail to see where my post above was "in denial".
I was addressing KU, not K-State there. Your infatuation with Selby (and I agree he will be very good, I just don't know if I'd expect the next John Wall, nor do I know if Self has shown he'll rely on a FR the same way Calipari did last year.) seems to have clouded any logical thinking on the loss of Aldrich. I don't think you can underscore the impact he had on the defensive end and what that will do to KU's team defense. He was clearly one of the best defensive presenses in the paint in all of college basketball the last 2 seasons and no amount of rationalizing by you will convince me you will replace that next year. Selby may replace Collins, I'll give you that, but no one is going to provide on the defensive end what Aldrich did and you seem to write that off like its no big deal.
And no one is saying we'll better b/c of the position you stated, no doubt replacing Clemente will be a concern. But its the whole of who could get improve, particularly Judge and McGruder, that gives me hope for an equal or better season next year by the Cats. If those two make the type of improvements that could be expected from players of their ability, then they could more than offset the loss of Clemente. Plus I'd expect improvement from Kelly and Samuels as well, just as you are from KU's returning players. I just think the improvements compared to what is lost for K-State is better than that for KU going into next season.
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Aldrich and Marcus Morris really regressed under Self as well. KU is only the 2nd school ever to have five players drafted in one NBA draft. But yeah, you're totally right. Taylor's off the court issues and his decreased role last season didn't have anything to do with his drop off... it was all Self's fault.
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Why would off the court issues and a decreased role make him shoot worse from every spot on the floor?
Point Plankn.
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Much like me not being able to tell the difference between Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) Morris twins, I don't think Beems knows the difference between "because of" and "in spite of".
I doubt there are any EMAWs saying recently* we'll be better next year with Denis gone, or because Denis is gone, or because we've got Irving/Spradling/Russell/Canada. EMAWs (and a large number of media) are saying KSU could be better next year because in spite of losing Clemente, we've got Pullen, Kelly, etc. coming back along with adequate fill-in newcomers.
All EMAWs are fully aware of how much Clemente will be missed, both in basketball attributes and in general EMAWsomeness. Unlike at ku, we don't flip a switch and become "haters" on our former players the second he leaves. We can't even say "well, at least elevator rapes should go down" to try to put a positive spin on it.
*this excludes the late 2009 clams' of the world who were saying we'd be better w/o Denis.
its as true today as it was back then
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Much like me not being able to tell the difference between Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) Morris twins, I don't think Beems knows the difference between "because of" and "in spite of".
I doubt there are any EMAWs saying recently* we'll be better next year with Denis gone, or because Denis is gone, or because we've got Irving/Spradling/Russell/Canada. EMAWs (and a large number of media) are saying KSU could be better next year because in spite of losing Clemente, we've got Pullen, Kelly, etc. coming back along with adequate fill-in newcomers.
All EMAWs are fully aware of how much Clemente will be missed, both in basketball attributes and in general EMAWsomeness. Unlike at ku, we don't flip a switch and become "haters" on our former players the second he leaves. We can't even say "well, at least elevator rapes should go down" to try to put a positive spin on it.
*this excludes the late 2009 clams' of the world who were saying we'd be better w/o Denis.
its as true today as it was back then
It's as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) today as it was back then.*
*no offense, but we don't make the elite 8 w/o Denis.
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you've really gone out on a limb there mellons
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Don't worry, guys. Where there's a Canadian juco, there's a way.
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Don't worry, guys. Where there's a Canadian juco, there's a way.
:lol: Has KU ever been picked to finish worse in the Big 12 than they will be next year?
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Josh Selby has the potential to be every bit as good as Collins. The Morris twins starting together in the frontcourt will add a different dynamic to the offense, with KU being able to play more up-tempo, and the Morris twins being able to shoot from the perimeter. Mario Little might not average as many points as Xavier Henry, but he doesn't need to. You will see a different Tyshawn Taylor next year now that Henry and Collins are gone as well.
I still have yet to see one K-State fan explain how losing Clemente and replacing him with Irving/Russell/Canadian Juco will make you guys better.
Are we talking about next year or have we jumped to a debate about all-time teams. FR Josh Selby has the potential to be every bit as good as a Sr Sherron Collins? Or Josh Selby, 2013 after two years with the Portland Trailblazers, will be better than Sherron Collins, Sophmore season with KU. I need this clarified so I can judge just how delusional you really are.
Otherwise, I like the Morris twins as consistent post men... but if they are going to bring a different (not better) dynamic to the offense, then I can't wait to see what the Cats dynamic is like with Freddy playing center next year. I'm glad we will see a different Tyshawn Taylor next year... hopefully one that doesn't turn the ball over or take an insane coast to coast shot every third time down the floor (he's no Denis Clemente). I like Mario Little. He should have transferred last year when they decided to eff him in the ass with a redshirt.
As for your final and worn out comment:
Just because you keep asking the same question doesn't make it a good question... With that in mind, I've yet to see you explain how K-State will be worse considering the experienced returning cast in addition to the newcomers.
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Josh Selby has the potential to be every bit as good as Collins. The Morris twins starting together in the frontcourt will add a different dynamic to the offense, with KU being able to play more up-tempo, and the Morris twins being able to shoot from the perimeter. Mario Little might not average as many points as Xavier Henry, but he doesn't need to. You will see a different Tyshawn Taylor next year now that Henry and Collins are gone as well.
I still have yet to see one K-State fan explain how losing Clemente and replacing him with Irving/Russell/Canadian Juco will make you guys better.
Are we talking about next year or have we jumped to a debate about all-time teams. FR Josh Selby has the potential to be every bit as good as a Sr Sherron Collins? Or Josh Selby, 2013 after two years with the Portland Trailblazers, will be better than Sherron Collins, Sophmore season with KU. I need this clarified so I can judge just how delusional you really are.
Otherwise, I like the Morris twins as consistent post men... but if they are going to bring a different (not better) dynamic to the offense, then I can't wait to see what the Cats dynamic is like with Freddy playing center next year. I'm glad we will see a different Tyshawn Taylor next year... hopefully one that doesn't turn the ball over or take an insane coast to coast shot every third time down the floor (he's no Denis Clemente). I like Mario Little. He should have transferred last year when they decided to shazbot! him in the ass with a redshirt.
As for your final and worn out comment:
Just because you keep asking the same question doesn't make it a good question... With that in mind, I've yet to see you explain how K-State will be worse considering the experienced returning cast in addition to the newcomers.
But he has explained it... We recruited a Canadian!