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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on February 11, 2017, 01:25:52 PM
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Only the 1st half in Ames was worse than this.
Now the only question is how long it takes oscar to give the DJamer was hurt excuse in his postgame...
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Now the only question is how long it takes oscar to give the DJamer was hurt excuse in his postgame...
I haven't listened to many this year. Is it normal that Lowery gets on the mic first?
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Now the only question is how long it takes oscar to give the DJamer was hurt excuse in his postgame...
I haven't listened to many this year. Is it normal that Lowery gets on the mic first?
Never mind, I guess the app doesn't stream postgame anymore and it flipped over to an old game and I was hearing lowery do a pregame interview and didn't even notice it was old.
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I mean it was an ugly loss, but whatever. A win would've been huge, but a loss isn't a killer.
However, the view of K-State basketball without DJamer in the middle should be oscar's biggest concern. Development of what we have and recruiting a someone else will be huge for next year if/when oscar keeps his job.
Maurice was awful and eventually no rim protector or scoring threat in the middle caught up with us. Woof.
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1) I thought we played pretty good the 1st half. 6 TOs in 39 Poss, allowed WV to only get 20% OR. Brown left some pts at the Foul line or we would have had lead despite 42% shooting
2) That all changed the first 10:30 of the 2nd half. We got 1 DR to their 6 OR. We had 9 TOs. We had 3 Poss where we got to line and go 0 pts (2 missed 1-&-1, Budke 2 misses). You can't have 12 unproductive Poss halfway thru a half.
3) when our offense is TOing the ball and sucking, our defense suffers. It gives our Opp transition or easy shot attempts. Then you add in terrible rebounding and WV built a 15 pt lead and the game was all but over
4) how many fast break/transition chances did we have in the 2nd half where we effed up. Brown had a missed layup and TO. Wes threw the ball away. Sneed had a ball slapped away off of his knee. That's 4. There might have been another.
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I'd go with missed layups and free throws. Plus it's customary for him to throw seniors under the bus and wes' turnovers are mounting.
He's not an easy man to root for but he's my Joe shlabotnik.
Also wtf is wrong with Barry? As his defense is becoming all league his offense his horrid.
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Its 1 game where he shot good, but I wouldn't mind seeing Patrick get a few minutes. Instead of having Ervin backup both Stokes/ Brown, let Patrick sub in for Brown. If Patrick doesn't play well in the 1st half, then he doesn't play in the 2nd. Ervin/Patrick get 7-9 minutes each if they OK
I think you have to do this with Maurice too. If he plays decent in the 1st, play him in the 2nd. If he doesn't, go with DJamer Wade and Sneed as the 4/5.
Brown now 13-39 2pt, 5-23 3pt the last 6 games. Also 15 TOs. He's problem #1 for this offense.
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nice job on the 3% d. :)
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nice job on the 3% d. :)
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it's fixed.
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oscar's opportunity (and history) awaits.
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Our transition offense is the worst I've ever seen. It leads to transition poimts for our opponent more than it leads to points for us. Our guards either need to pull it out or start shooting pull up jumpers because they have about a 10% of scoring at the rim (including when they're fouled).
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Brown and Stokes combined for 20 points and made 1 FG. Great job drawing fouls and getting to the FT line (though Brown missed at least 2 front ends of 1 and 1s) and 20-28 is okay, but we aren't going to win when those 2 combine to go 1-11 and 0-5.
Then you have Wade at 1-6 and 0-2.
Way to step up with a key player out of the game guys.
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Way to step up with a key player out of the game guys.
kstate is gonna be significantly better next year. 1.1+ conf offense eff.
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Way to step up with a key player out of the game guys.
kstate is gonna be significantly better next year. 1.1+ conf offense eff.
Then keeping oscar is a no brainer, correct?
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"Drawing fouls" would be a term of art considering the way that game was officiated.
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Then keeping oscar is a no brainer, correct?
it's not even a consideration.
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Way to step up with a key player out of the game guys.
kstate is gonna be significantly better next year. 1.1+ conf offense eff.
Then keeping oscar is a no brainer, correct?
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Only the 1st half in Ames was worse than this.
Now the only question is how long it takes oscar to give the DJamer was hurt excuse in his postgame...
2nd half baylor worse than both
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ISU 1st half PPP differential = -0.49
WVU 2nd half PPP differential = -0.47
Baylor 2nd half PPP differential = -0.41
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Turnovers, missed free throws and on the ball defense has very little to do with DJamer.
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Turnovers, missed free throws and on the ball defense has very little to do with DJamer.
True, but no rim protector or post scoring presence catches up with you eventually and I thought it did in the 2nd half.
To be fair, its tough to game plan and get used to playing without a key player in less than a week.
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ISU 1st half PPP differential = -0.49
WVU 2nd half PPP differential = -0.47
Baylor 2nd half PPP differential = -0.41
Thought you meant offensively.
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Our transition offense is the worst I've ever seen. It leads to transition poimts for our opponent more than it leads to points for us. Our guards either need to pull it out or start shooting pull up jumpers because they have about a 10% of scoring at the rim (including when they're fouled).
Transition offense requires players making decisions and oscar doesn't trust players to make decisions. "They force you to play basketball" is oscar's definitive quote IMO. He's really pretty good at setting up plays and making adjustments to break and create advantages against the press, but he isn't good at teaching/enabling players to execute a 3 on 2 or 2 on 1.
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I thought we would lose 3 in a row. We went 1-2; 33%. Pretty good baseball. It is almost easier to lose big than by a point or two - no what ifs with this game or ref cussing tirades.
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nice job on the 3% d. :)
FINALLY won the lottery
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Turnovers, missed free throws and on the ball defense has very little to do with DJamer.
DJamer would have helped with the turnovers, broke the press last game against WVU and an inside presence will loosen up the guards a bit if the guards are digging on the post, and he would have acted as a deterrent inside so we wouldn't have allowed as many drives.
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nice job on the 3% d. :)
It's not even the 33% shooting. It's allowing 12 of their pts from 3.
For a 7-8 game stretch, it was almost 28 pts per game from 3 with making nearly 50%.
FINALLY won the lottery
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How much did K-State miss Johnson, who averages 12.0 points and 6.3 rebounds?
“The last game, if you ask coach (Bob) Huggins, he fouled everyone out and was the difference in the game,” Weber said of Johnson’s 14-point, eight-rebound effort in K-State’s 79-75 win over West Virginia last month. “You don’t have that inside force. I wish Dean (Wade) would be a little stronger inside and try to get some things around the hoop. Maybe that’s to come in the future.
“You miss him, no doubt about that.”
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Our transition offense is the worst I've ever seen. It leads to transition poimts for our opponent more than it leads to points for us. Our guards either need to pull it out or start shooting pull up jumpers because they have about a 10% of scoring at the rim (including when they're fouled).
Transition offense requires players making decisions and oscar doesn't trust players to make decisions. "They force you to play basketball" is oscar's definitive quote IMO. He's really pretty good at setting up plays and making adjustments to break and create advantages against the press, but he isn't good at teaching/enabling players to execute a 3 on 2 or 2 on 1.
Based on what I've seen, he's right to not trust our players in transition, because they generally make horrible decisions
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How much did K-State miss Johnson, who averages 12.0 points and 6.3 rebounds?
“The last game, if you ask coach (Bob) Huggins, he fouled everyone out and was the difference in the game,” Weber said of Johnson’s 14-point, eight-rebound effort in K-State’s 79-75 win over West Virginia last month. “You don’t have that inside force. I wish Dean (Wade) would be a little stronger inside and try to get some things around the hoop. Maybe that’s to come in the future.
“You miss him, no doubt about that.”
That's a great quote. As pointed out in the broadcast, WVU has only had two foul outs the entire season, both were the guys guarding DJamer the last game.
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Our transition offense is the worst I've ever seen. It leads to transition poimts for our opponent more than it leads to points for us. Our guards either need to pull it out or start shooting pull up jumpers because they have about a 10% of scoring at the rim (including when they're fouled).
Transition offense requires players making decisions and oscar doesn't trust players to make decisions. "They force you to play basketball" is oscar's definitive quote IMO. He's really pretty good at setting up plays and making adjustments to break and create advantages against the press, but he isn't good at teaching/enabling players to execute a 3 on 2 or 2 on 1.
Based on what I've seen, he's right to not trust our players in transition, because they generally make horrible decisions
Could practice possibly improve decision-making?
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Are you suggesting that we don't practice transition offense/defense?
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Are you suggesting that we don't practice transition offense/defense?
I'm suggesting it isn't done in an effective way. We're pretty bad at both and the players are all athletic and skilled enough to be at least average in transition.
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Those struggles make sense with oscar's Assistkeball philosophy. Having an assist on most of the makes is clearly a point of emphasis, so most of the offensive practice time has to be spent on working on the schemes and situations that facilitate that way of playing offense. Making individual plays off the dribble isn't a premium for oscar and his program. For coaches like Lon and Smart that would seem to be the opposite. Neither way is the right or wrong way to play, but I do see where it leads to the decision making problems that michigan suggests.
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Are you suggesting that we don't practice transition offense/defense?
I'm suggesting it isn't done in an effective way. We're pretty bad at both and the players are all athletic and skilled enough to be at least average in transition.
Agree, although I tend not to put player decision making on coaching. I guarantee these guys don't eff up that bad during practice
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Are you suggesting that we don't practice transition offense/defense?
I'm suggesting it isn't done in an effective way. We're pretty bad at both and the players are all athletic and skilled enough to be at least average in transition.
Agree, although I tend not to put player decision making on coaching. I guarantee these guys don't eff up that bad during practice
Coaching can absolutely impact decision making quality. If they aren't rough ridin' up that bad during practice as you guarantee, there's something wrong with how they practice.
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Okay, Michigancat :rolleyes: