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@ Tech
vs. Baylor
@ OSU
vs. WVU
@ ISU
@Tennessee
2 home games against the top of the league, 3 conference road games against teams with a similar profile, and a non con road game that should be easy but won't be.
I think 3-3 is the goal here, at that record you're either going to have one or two great wins(potentially one being over the #1 team in the country) or three road wins against teams we need to better than. We go 2-4 I'll consider that holding serve, 4-2 and we can start talking about a top 6 tournament seed.
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oddly the home games might be the two hardest of these
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:ohno:
Not even sure how I would rank these from hardest to easiest. They all seem the same.
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2-2 road games
1-1 at home
will take
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Lose only 2. We beat bear meat next Saturday if Bram is packed with crazed hollering heathens.
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I don't think they decide our ultimate fate, but the next 6-7 games for us are big. I would like to go 4-2 next 6 conf games and beat Tenn. This would have us at 18-4 & 6-3
That said if we are 16--6, our road is tough down the stretch.
Baylor barely beat Isu & OSU. Huggy will be the toughest road game IMO, but we can win any of the 9. 5-4 finish on the road would be spectacular
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It will be a significant stretch. kenpom says we lose all 5 of these Big 12 games by a total of 15 points.
I'd be happy with 3-3, but I want 4-2. If this team is going to exceed my expectations, I want them to really do it.
The key for me is playing better defense. Our offense is very good and might end up being the best offense K-State has had in the kenpom era.
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If we go 4-2 (or better), I'll be posting/tweeting these for days.
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It's going to be hard to post brads face in the coaches who have had their faces coached off thread but tradition is tradition.
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At 5-1 you legitimated could talk about winning the league with out being a complete homer. Winning two making the torment and finishing in the top half of the conference is in favor.
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The key for me is playing better defense. Our offense is very good and might end up being the best offense K-State has had in the kenpom era.
Yes, it does need to get better. 2nd half yday was disappointing after allowing 0.82 PPP in the 1st half. Just like after we played good D vs Texas for 37 min then let them finish 7-7 FGs
We have won TO rate 6 games in a row. Each game we have been below 20.0% and our Opp has been over 20.0
*TCU is the game after Tenn. I included that game because it takes us to halfway point on B12 play. 4-2 vs B12 teams and beating Tennessee won't be easy but it can be done. I want to see Brucambo firing off his machine gun
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At 5-1 you legitimated could talk about winning the league with out being a complete homer. Winning two making the torment and finishing in the top half of the conference is in favor.
Completely agree
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i don't expect us to hit the kenpom exactly, but i'll be disappointed if we miss by more than one.
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SugarDickBrag has us at 6-0.
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@ Tech
vs. Baylor
@ OSU
vs. WVU
@ ISU
@Tennessee
i think i've seen enough now to say that we're going to lose all but WVU. we match up terribly w/ baylor and i expect to get blown out of that game and after tuesday, i'm not sure this team is capable of winning a conference road game.
we're going to win one that we're not supposed to and i'm guessing that's at home against huggs, the team seems to handle the press ok this year.
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We'll beat Tennessee
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they have 2 better wins than we do and it's a road game. maybe that game is oscar's upset, only time will tell.
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@ Tech
vs. Baylor
@ OSU
vs. WVU
@ ISU
@Tennessee
i think i've seen enough now to say that we're going to lose all but WVU. we match up terribly w/ baylor and i expect to get blown out of that game and after tuesday, i'm not sure this team is capable of winning a conference road game.
we're going to win one that we're not supposed to and i'm guessing that's at home against huggs, the team seems to handle the press ok this year.
We are faced with the unfortunate position of having to beat the #1 team in the country to avoid the appearance of a possible 1-5 or 0-6 in this stretch. In a vacuum the OSU and Tennessee games are very winnable but if we lose on Saturday it's more than fair to question the mindset of the team.
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At some point the thought that their coach is going to get fired if they have a bad season will start to put undue pressure on the team. I don't know when that starts, but probably sometime over the next six games. There's a very real chance we lose the next four games. If we do, the calls for oscar's job will probably be pretty loud. His last team at Illinois went on quite the slide when they realized he was going to get shitcanned.
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My initial thought was that we needed to split this week. Baylor is nearly a must win and I think we have a really good shot.
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as of today, kenpom has us winning at UT
i don't agree that @ OSU should be considered very winnable. they're a lot deeper than us and have maybe similar talent in the starting 5. playing at home there is no reason to expect them to lose that game.
at this point i'm not worried about losing the team even with a loss to baylor. they should know that they've been playing well enough to win in a couple of their losses. it takes a lot for a d1 athlete to give up.
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Guys, if we lose this weekend, I will be officially worried.
Until Weber proves otherwise, I am counting on all road losses, no matter how bad Tennessee or OSU are.
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as of today, kenpom has us winning at UT
i don't agree that @ OSU should be considered very winnable. they're a lot deeper than us and have maybe similar talent in the starting 5. playing at home there is no reason to expect them to lose that game.
at this point i'm not worried about losing the team even with a loss to baylor. they should know that they've been playing well enough to win in a couple of their losses. it takes a lot for a d1 athlete to give up.
I don't think oscar will lose them with a loss, but there are only so many really good opponents and opportunities on the schedule. You've got to start winning some of them at some point.
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the cows are not a deep team.
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the cows are not a deep team.
deeper than us, look at mpg* averages
*not miles per gallon
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Did anyone guess 0-6?
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No cause only a rough ridin' idiot would
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Off to a great start. If we lose three of the next four does the season spiral on us?
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Off to a great start. If we lose three of the next four does the season spiral on us?
Its definitely on the verge.
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2nd straight game TOs have been an issue. We had 15 TO in 58 Poss vs Tech (over 25%). Today we had 12 TOs in the 2nd half alone.
Came in allowing 52% on 2pt & 42% on 3pt in league play. 50% and 45% today. That just won't cut it. We force TOs, the eFG defense has to be 48-50 range.
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the season isn't spiraling anywhere, you goofs. they're just playing to the predictions.
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i am surprised by people deciding tonight of all times to spaz out
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i am surprised by people deciding tonight of all times to spaz out
Same here. I think it's because it was at home.
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Losing 3 out of 4 will do that to people
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i am surprised by people deciding tonight of all times to spaz out
these kstate fans are gonna be so happy when we win 5 of our last 6 to close out the regular season.
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i am surprised by people deciding tonight of all times to spaz out
I thought we'd split this week. The next 4 could be just as rough.
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the line / baylor/wvu game mindfucked people
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i am surprised by people deciding tonight of all times to spaz out
these kstate fans are gonna be so happy when we win 5 of our last 6 to close out the regular season.
Itll be a great sign for next season.
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i am surprised by people deciding tonight of all times to spaz out
to be fair, i've been spazzing since oscar was hired. before that even, an affliction stretching all the way back to the 80's some would say...
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i am surprised by people deciding tonight of all times to spaz out
Either the second or third most winnable in this stretch of 6 games and this was the worst we've looked in a loss, by far. It's without a doubt the low point of the year, to this point.
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these kstate fans are gonna be so happy when we win 5 of our last 6 to close out the regular season.
it is quite the carrot
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Either the second or third most winnable in this stretch of 6 games and this was the worst we've looked in a loss, by far. It's without a doubt the low point of the year, to this point.
agreed, just an incredibly squishy low to go off of
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i am surprised by people deciding tonight of all times to spaz out
Either the second or third most winnable in this stretch of 6 games and this was the worst we've looked in a loss, by far. It's without a doubt the low point of the year, to this point.
yeah, statiscally speaking, this was more wineable than at Tech. This one hurts.
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i am surprised by people deciding tonight of all times to spaz out
Either the second or third most winnable in this stretch of 6 games and this was the worst we've looked in a loss, by far. It's without a doubt the low point of the year, to this point.
yeah, statiscally speaking, this was more wineable than at Tech. This one hurts.
I think it is too close to call. It was the first tournament quality game where we were not good on either side of the ball and compounded that with it being at home. I think that is why it is frustrating. The poor defense through out conference play should be the most frustrating.
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We may get a oscar meltdown if he loses to Brad and the Cows Wednesday :crossfingers:
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I think the fan meltdown will be even greater
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I think the fan meltdown will be even greater
there isn't going to be a fan meltdown bud
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I think the fan meltdown will be even greater
there isn't going to be a fan meltdown bud
No. At this point it's pretty much waiting on the inevitable.
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If we don't go 2-2 in the next four we don't have a chance at all
https://twitter.com/Cole_Manbeck/status/820697904956456961
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If we don't go 2-2 in the next four we don't have a chance at all
https://twitter.com/Cole_Manbeck/status/820697904956456961
Yep. The losses this past week set us up for this. No margin for error now.
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I hope that someone throws this in Tyler D's fat face, he has been absolutely insufferable on twitter about this lately
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i'll probably talk about this more in the kp30nt thread, but this cows game is the exact opposite of the baylor game. the cows are 0-5 so we'll get no credit from the tournamentmakers if we beat them and they're a top 35 team on the road in the eyes of kenpom so we won't drop much (could go up!) if we lose. it's a no-lose situation.
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I don't think we are making the tourney. That jobbing we got in those two games really crushed our souls.
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i'll probably talk about this more in the kp30nt thread, but this cows game is the exact opposite of the baylor game. the cows are 0-5 so we'll get no credit from the tournamentmakers if we beat them and they're a top 35 team on the road in the eyes of kenpom so we won't drop much (could go up!) if we lose. it's a no-lose situation.
moo cows moo then
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My source, kenporn says we are going to get some.
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Gee, I really wish the teams we beat would win more games against the other teams they played. I'm pretty rough ridin' bored with Cole's psuedo-analysis.
I'll maintain that if we go .500 in conference and beat Tenn we'll make the dance. I dont care if those 9 conf wins are 2UT 2OU 2TCU 2OSU 1TTU.
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Gee, I really wish the teams we beat would win more games against the other teams they played. I'm pretty rough ridin' bored with Cole's psuedo-analysis.
I'll maintain that if we go .500 in conference and beat Tenn we'll make the dance. I dont care if those 9 conf wins are 2UT 2OU 2TCU 2OSU 1TTU.
Roughly 30% chance we go 500 or above in conference. Changes if you can steal one out of the next three.
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Roughly 30% chance we go 500 or above in conference. Changes if you can steal one out of the next three.
how are you calculating those chances? kenpom is expecting kstate to win one of the next three in its 8-10 projection.
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Roughly 30% chance we go 500 or above in conference. Changes if you can steal one out of the next three.
how are you calculating those chances? kenpom is expecting kstate to win one of the next three in its 8-10 projection.
http://barttorvik.com/conf.php?conf=B12
expand the matrix
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thanks, interesting site.
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thanks, interesting site.
It is. I would think he would try to change his format from kenpom a little though. I mean, his ratings are slightly different and a few different features, but that's about it.
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thanks, interesting site.
It is. I would think he would try to change his format from kenpom a little though. I mean, his ratings are slightly different and a few different features, but that's about it.
I don't think is projection is better than kenpoms. But he has more bells are whistle to play around with.
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Gee, I really wish the teams we beat would win more games against the other teams they played. I'm pretty rough ridin' bored with Cole's psuedo-analysis.
I'll maintain that if we go .500 in conference and beat Tenn we'll make the dance. I dont care if those 9 conf wins are 2UT 2OU 2TCU 2OSU 1TTU.
Absolutely no way we go 4-0 on the road vs OU, UT, TCU, and OSU. That's how many conference road games we've won in the past 3+ years. Doubt we're going to match that total in 2/3 of the rest of this conference season.
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I tend to get optimistic and I'm doing it again. If we win both this week, I'll be fully back on with this team. Yeah, its not likely and we would basically have to do what we couldn't do last week. The road record and top 50 record for oscar is bleak. But I'm still going to do it.
Just setting myself up for some ridiculous post and meltdown again.
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2-2 road games
1-1 at home
will take
a win tonight would go a long way
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I tend to get optimistic and I'm doing it again. If we win both this week, I'll be fully back on with this team. Yeah, its not likely and we would basically have to do what we couldn't do last week. The road record and top 50 record for oscar is bleak. But I'm still going to do it.
Just setting myself up for some ridiculous post and meltdown again.
same. i hate it. a week ago i was rooting for us to lose to osu so we could burn it down and get rid of oscar and now i'm thinking about seeding in the tourney.
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2-2 road games
1-1 at home
will take
a win tonight would go a long way
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I tend to get optimistic and I'm doing it again. If we win both this week, I'll be fully back on with this team. Yeah, its not likely and we would basically have to do what we couldn't do last week. The road record and top 50 record for oscar is bleak. But I'm still going to do it.
Just setting myself up for some ridiculous post and meltdown again.
same. i hate it. a week ago i was rooting for us to lose to osu so we could burn it down and get rid of oscar and now i'm thinking about seeding in the tourney.
ya maybe we were wrong about everything we thought about oscar. maybe we're about to rip off 10 straight W's and win the b12. final four??
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yeah i rough ridin' know, clams
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oscar is going to do enough (maybe more) to keep a lot of fans (most?) interested in following the Cats this year and going forward. He is what we always knew him to be, not terrible like Wooly or even Asbury, but certainly not great or even to the level of Frank at K-State.
His biggest problem is the bland personality, seeming to not take responsibility when things go south, and not being an engaging guy. But overall, he's not a terrible or great coach, the type that most P5 schools outside the blue bloods keep around, probably longer than they should.
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oscar is going to do enough (maybe more) to keep a lot of fans (most?) interested in following the Cats this year and going forward. He is what we always knew him to be, not terrible like Wooly or even Asbury, but certainly not great or even to the level of Frank at K-State.
His biggest problem is the bland personality, seeming to not take responsibility when things go south, and not being an engaging guy. But overall, he's not a terrible or great coach, the type that most P5 schools outside the blue bloods keep around, probably longer than they should.
Even after Oscar retires or leaves I will always remember him for the meme he has given the KSU community
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Even if this season gets away from him he will likely become the longest tenured coach at KSU since Hartman as this years ties Wooly at 6 seasons and I would guess he gets to 8 seasons at minimum unless Currie is hired away before this school year is over.
While oscar will never take the SLTH crown from Carmody a run of 8 years without a NCAA tournament victory would be remarkable.
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oscar IS K-State basketball at this point.
Think the court gets named after him when he retires?
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Still think we need to LOCK HIM UP and get that buyout to where other schools don't even think about sniffing around the fOOD.
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oscar IS K-State basketball at this point.
Think the court gets named after him when he retires?
oscar Weber FOOD Court? (The F is for Family, obviously)
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oscar is going to do enough (maybe more) to keep a lot of fans (most?) interested in following the Cats this year and going forward. He is what we always knew him to be, not terrible like Wooly or even Asbury, but certainly not great or even to the level of Frank at K-State.
His biggest problem is the bland personality, seeming to not take responsibility when things go south, and not being an engaging guy. But overall, he's not a terrible or great coach, the type that most P5 schools outside the blue bloods keep around, probably longer than they should.
Its possible that the next three years would put him above Frank. Might not be likely but possible.
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Think the court gets named after him when he retires?
No.
Still think we need to LOCK HIM UP and get that buyout to where other schools don't even think about sniffing around the fOOD.
This is where oscar and K-State are good for one another, as long as their relationship is amicable. No one is really going to come looking for oscar no matter how much success he has at this point, and oscar probably isn't looking to go anywhere, no matter what amount of success he has.
K-State can just take the sliding scale contract (adding 100K per year) as it is and add years to it without blowing up and offering more money.
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oscar IS K-State basketball at this point.
Think the court gets named after him when he retires?
:rolleyes:
I'm sure you don't care but when you do this it seems like you think you're above everything
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oscar IS K-State basketball at this point.
Think the court gets named after him when he retires?
:rolleyes:
I'm sure you don't care but when you do this it seems like you think you're above everything
There are always Groce teams like Illinois and Auburn a person could follow.
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Fan police are the best.
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This is where oscar and K-State are good for one another, as long as their relationship is amicable. No one is really going to come looking for oscar no matter how much success he has at this point, and oscar probably isn't looking to go anywhere, no matter what amount of success he has.
K-State can just take the sliding scale contract (adding 100K per year) as it is and add years to it without blowing up and offering more money.
A less optimistic fan may say that having a coach nobody wants is a bad thing.
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A less optimistic fan may say that having a coach nobody wants is a bad thing.
You aren't wrong.
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But seriously, in the modern era of college basketball, oscar is soon to be behind only Jack in years and wins at KSU.
That has to count for something, especially in this age of hot potato coaching.
And he might be able to pass Tex and Jack G.
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oscar Weber fOOD Court
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