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Any bets ?
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/817488652586586112
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Idk who he even is
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I'm afraid our defense might be awful next year.
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But I wish him the best
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Good for him. He's going to be a solid NFL player.
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:bang:
Was really excited about what our D was gonna do next year even without Willis....
But I guess best of luck Elijah Lee...
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5th round is my guess, but if he has good combines and workouts maybe he'll go sooner.
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He's a really fun player to watch. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a draft steal for someone.
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If good or bad hinged on one player we probably weren't going to be good.
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If good or bad hinged on one player we probably weren't going to be good.
This. Time for Elijah Sullivan, Sam Sizelove, or Justin Hughes to step up
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Next man up
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Next mf'ing man up
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Good luck to him but I hope it doesn't end up like Mr. Pierce. Just don't think he has the size yet. But yes next man up. It's Tank time.
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I actually think this is a bad move for him but hope he proves me wrong
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I seriously doubt he's picked before the 6th round, if at all.
If I was to wager on it, I'd say he'll go the UDFA route to try to make a team.
:buh-bye:
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I seriously doubt he's picked before the 6th round, if at all.
If I was to wager on it, I'd say he'll go the UDFA route to try to make a team.
:buh-bye:
weird
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Very low draft IQ here, especially when it comes to declaring early, but isn't it weird for a guy to leave early when he's not expected to go in the first couple rounds?
I imagine that would be like me deciding to retire early if a financial advisor said "yea, you have a decent chance of being able to live on that."
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Also, early sign Snyder told the guys he's on his way out? :Wha:
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I really hope he does get drafted otherwise super embarrassing if he doesn't.
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Very low draft IQ here, especially when it comes to declaring early, but isn't it weird for a guy to leave early when he's not expected to go in the first couple rounds?
I imagine that would be like me deciding to retire early if a financial advisor said "yea, you have a decent chance of being able to live on that."
The information i came across suggested 3rd or 4th round. While thats not 1st or 2nd, thats some serious scratch for the young man. Wish him the best and hope we can put up some billboards wishing him good luck in the playoffs, next year.
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Yeah I feel like people are hoping he fails in a passive-aggressive way. Stupid, you should all wish him the best and not assume he will go undrafted..
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He's a good dude. Wish him the best. He will be missed.
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I hope he kicks ass in the NFL and I look forward to the next guy stepping up and kicking ass too.
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when is the last time we had someone declare early? I'm thinking Josh Freeman but that can't be right.
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I really hope he does get drafted otherwise super embarrassing if he doesn't.
^^^ THIS ^^^
I agree wholeheartedly. Love the kid and hope this works out for him.
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when is the last time we had someone declare early? I'm thinking Josh Freeman but that can't be right.
Forgot about Bryce Brown
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when is the last time we had someone declare early? I'm thinking Josh Freeman but that can't be right.
Joshua Moore 2010 ran from Prince (corner). Same year as Freeman? :dunno:
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Nope. Freeman was 2009. Moore was 2010.
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Nope. Freeman was 2009. Moore was 2010.
If Freeman had been 2010, we might have beat a crummy Neb team for an extra Dr. Pepper.
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stud, good decision by him.
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I really hope he does get drafted otherwise super embarrassing if he doesn't.
^^^ THIS ^^^
I agree wholeheartedly. Love the kid and hope this works out for him.
I don't understand why you two are even entertaining the possibility of this, it's very odd that you guys think anyone with no injury or behavior issues would drop four rounds.
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Does he project out to be a safety?
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Hopefully, some NFL agent isn't blowing smoke up the young man's ass. Sometimes they'll tell kids what they want to hear to make a few bucks. This is worst case and I hope this doesn't happen to him. I wish him the best and I hope he plays for a team that appreciates him as much as KSU does.
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Kansas State junior LB Elijah Lee will forego his final season of collegiate eligibility to enter the 2017 NFL Draft.
Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline was on Lee's potential jump earlier in the week. Pauline pegs the 6-foot-3, 228-pounder as a possible fourth-round selection in this spring's draft. During the 2016 campaign, he racked up 110 tackles (6.5 for loss), 1.5 sacks, a pair of interceptions and a forced fumble. Pauline notes that while Lee's size may be lacking, he offers a bulldog mentality when in pursuit.
Source: Elijah Lee on Twitter Jan 6 - 7:06 PM
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having the right mentality is definitely the key factor against size and strength in the NFL
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Hopefully, some NFL agent isn't blowing smoke up the young man's ass. Sometimes they'll tell kids what they want to hear to make a few bucks. This is worst case and I hope this doesn't happen to him. I wish him the best and I hope he plays for a team that appreciates him as much as KSU does.
did you even read the kellis article? says the nfl draft advisory board predicted a mid-round grade and that lee wants to help support his mom. it's not some rando agent taking advantage of him. at the end of the day, these kids absolute bust their ass for my personal enjoyment and the minute they have the opportunity to turn that into cash money, i'm fine with it. by this time next year he could have blown out his acl, had a subpar year like barnett, or be in the exact some draft position except with another year of wear and tear on his body. i'll miss him playing for the cats, but he's only doing what any of us would do if offered a fantastic new job opportunity.
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i hope Elijah gets drafted and has a good career, idk how long he could last but I hope its a good one. my hope is he finds a team that can put him in the right scheme to get the most out of his body and size
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I really hope he does get drafted otherwise super embarrassing if he doesn't.
^^^ THIS ^^^
I agree wholeheartedly. Love the kid and hope this works out for him.
I don't understand why you two are even entertaining the possibility of this, it's very odd that you guys think anyone with no injury or behavior issues would drop four rounds.
He isn't guaranteed to get drafted? Just because some board said he rates our well doesn't mean crap.. I hope he goes really high because better NFL draft prospects reflect great towards future recruits. But Lee is that old ball sized linebacker and I can see teams be wary of drafting him if they view him like Arthur Brown...
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I really hope he does get drafted otherwise super embarrassing if he doesn't.
^^^ THIS ^^^
I agree wholeheartedly. Love the kid and hope this works out for him.
I don't understand why you two are even entertaining the possibility of this, it's very odd that you guys think anyone with no injury or behavior issues would drop four rounds.
BJ Finney had no injuries or behavioral issues, was generally projected by a lot of these "pundits" as a 2nd to 5th rounder and went undrafted. Plus, a lot more "football people" felt BJ was "NFL ready".
Those that I've spoken with that are ITK say that Lee is more likely a 6th/7th rounder if he gets chosen. I like the kid and want him to succeed, however I'm firmly of the belief that he's doing himself a disservice coming out a year early.
I agree with this draft tracker guy: http://walterfootball.com/draft2017underclassmen.php
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who are the people telling him he grades out in the third round?
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Nope. Freeman was 2009. Moore was 2010.
Gronk was 2015.
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who are the people telling him he grades out in the third round?
NFL Draft Advisory Board
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who are the people telling him he grades out in the third round?
NFL Draft Advisory Board
i dont know anything about them, do they generally get it right?
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who are the people telling him he grades out in the third round?
NFL Draft Advisory Board
i dont know anything about them, do they generally get it right?
theres a reason these people are draft 'experts' and dont work for a franchise
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who are the people telling him he grades out in the third round?
NFL Draft Advisory Board
i dont know anything about them, do they generally get it right?
I have no idea. Eligible players can request a draft grade from them and then use that grade to make a decision about whether or not to declare early.
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who are the people telling him he grades out in the third round?
NFL Draft Advisory Board
i dont know anything about them, do they generally get it right?
theres a reason these people are draft 'experts' and dont work for a franchise
i think the board consists of member franchises GM's and Personnel Directors from my limited research. Also I found this which isn't exactly re assuring.
The board has a fair track record that has successfully predicted pick placement for some underclassmen but not others.[2] From 2012 to 2014 it accurately predicted the selections of 73.7% of the players the board graded as first-round selections, and 85.4% of the players it graded for the second, but almost 53% of those receiving third-round grades or lower were not drafted.[2]
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who are the people telling him he grades out in the third round?
NFL Draft Advisory Board
i dont know anything about them, do they generally get it right?
theres a reason these people are draft 'experts' and dont work for a franchise
i think the board consists of member franchises GM's and Personnel Directors from my limited research. Also I found this which isn't exactly re assuring.
The board has a fair track record that has successfully predicted pick placement for some underclassmen but not others.[2] From 2012 to 2014 it accurately predicted the selections of 73.7% of the players the board graded as first-round selections, and 85.4% of the players it graded for the second, but almost 53% of those receiving third-round grades or lower were not drafted.[2]
having the right mentality is definitely the key factor against size and strength in the NFL
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who are the people telling him he grades out in the third round?
NFL Draft Advisory Board
i dont know anything about them, do they generally get it right?
theres a reason these people are draft 'experts' and dont work for a franchise
i think the board consists of member franchises GM's and Personnel Directors from my limited research. Also I found this which isn't exactly re assuring.
The board has a fair track record that has successfully predicted pick placement for some underclassmen but not others.[2] From 2012 to 2014 it accurately predicted the selections of 73.7% of the players the board graded as first-round selections, and 85.4% of the players it graded for the second, but almost 53% of those receiving third-round grades or lower were not drafted.[2]
Wow, I wonder if Lee realizes he's essentially betting on a coin flip. I thought this was a no brainer but seeing that figure would make me want to ride out another year
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Hopefully, some NFL agent isn't blowing smoke up the young man's ass. Sometimes they'll tell kids what they want to hear to make a few bucks. This is worst case and I hope this doesn't happen to him. I wish him the best and I hope he plays for a team that appreciates him as much as KSU does.
did you even read the kellis article? says the nfl draft advisory board predicted a mid-round grade and that lee wants to help support his mom. it's not some rando agent taking advantage of him. at the end of the day, these kids absolute bust their ass for my personal enjoyment and the minute they have the opportunity to turn that into cash money, i'm fine with it. by this time next year he could have blown out his acl, had a subpar year like barnett, or be in the exact some draft position except with another year of wear and tear on his body. i'll miss him playing for the cats, but he's only doing what any of us would do if offered a fantastic new job opportunity.
Not sure you can say that when everyone stayed away from him all year. He'll be fine.
But the problem people see is that the last rounds and UDFA are there to fill out roster spots on the depth chart. At the rounds where he is projected at it's a crap shoot to see where teams feel they need depth. That doesn't bode that well, especially when you look at how well the draft projections work out for him.
Clearly Lee should have invented an online girlfriend or something to raise his draft stock, I hear that is good for undersized linebackers.
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who are the people telling him he grades out in the third round?
NFL Draft Advisory Board
i dont know anything about them, do they generally get it right?
theres a reason these people are draft 'experts' and dont work for a franchise
i think the board consists of member franchises GM's and Personnel Directors from my limited research. Also I found this which isn't exactly re assuring.
The board has a fair track record that has successfully predicted pick placement for some underclassmen but not others.[2] From 2012 to 2014 it accurately predicted the selections of 73.7% of the players the board graded as first-round selections, and 85.4% of the players it graded for the second, but almost 53% of those receiving third-round grades or lower were not drafted.[2]
:sdeek: that number is staggering. That's over half that go undrafted, doesn't even include guys who dropped rounds
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a lot of stuff happens between when they grade people as college players and when the draft happens. seems pretty solid to me. :dunno:
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I mean, they aren't brining people in to run 40s, bench, interview, etc. right?
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and that thing isn't normally encouraging kids to enter the draft that shouldn't from what I understand. The opposite if anything.
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Did Lee play special teams? That is really how he sticks in the NFL.
The real lesson here is you don't redshirt guys that can help imo
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Lee didn't redshirt
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Lee didn't redshirt
eggsactly
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Lee was a starter from day 1 with Snyder. That's all I need to see.
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and that thing isn't normally encouraging kids to enter the draft that shouldn't from what I understand. The opposite if anything.
upon further reading they changed the feedback rules after 2014 so my stat isn't really relevant anymore. I think they have tightened it up to discourage more underclassman from coming out so they don't have as many washouts.
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How big was Emmanuel lamur when he came out?
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How big was Emmanuel lamur when he came out?
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2011 depth chart had him at 6-4 219
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Lee was a starter from day 1 with Snyder. That's all I need to see.
He didn't start his freshman year, he was used as a passing down, or 3rd down rushing LB.
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!
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Hopefully, some NFL agent isn't blowing smoke up the young man's ass. Sometimes they'll tell kids what they want to hear to make a few bucks. This is worst case and I hope this doesn't happen to him. I wish him the best and I hope he plays for a team that appreciates him as much as KSU does.
did you even read the kellis article? says the nfl draft advisory board predicted a mid-round grade and that lee wants to help support his mom. it's not some rando agent taking advantage of him. at the end of the day, these kids absolute bust their ass for my personal enjoyment and the minute they have the opportunity to turn that into cash money, i'm fine with it. by this time next year he could have blown out his acl, had a subpar year like barnett, or be in the exact some draft position except with another year of wear and tear on his body. i'll miss him playing for the cats, but he's only doing what any of us would do if offered a fantastic new job opportunity.
Or he could come back and watch his draft stock soar like Jordan Willis's did.
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!
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Hopefully, some NFL agent isn't blowing smoke up the young man's ass. Sometimes they'll tell kids what they want to hear to make a few bucks. This is worst case and I hope this doesn't happen to him. I wish him the best and I hope he plays for a team that appreciates him as much as KSU does.
did you even read the kellis article? says the nfl draft advisory board predicted a mid-round grade and that lee wants to help support his mom. it's not some rando agent taking advantage of him. at the end of the day, these kids absolute bust their ass for my personal enjoyment and the minute they have the opportunity to turn that into cash money, i'm fine with it. by this time next year he could have blown out his acl, had a subpar year like barnett, or be in the exact some draft position except with another year of wear and tear on his body. i'll miss him playing for the cats, but he's only doing what any of us would do if offered a fantastic new job opportunity.
Or he could come back and watch his draft stock soar like Jordan Willis's did.
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!
or he could leave cause he's had a better career as a Junior than Jordan Willis did
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If I were Lee, I'd have concerns about risking injury at LHC Bill Snyder practices and bowl season prep.
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So who keeps the streak alive next year?
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So who keeps the streak alive next year?
DJamer Reed or Duke Shelley maybe
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So who keeps the streak alive next year?
DJamer Reed or Duke Shelley maybe
I hope not for my own selfish reasons. I would rather the streak die than have one of them leave early.
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Geary
McCrane
:dunno:
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Geary
McCrane
:dunno:
I'd be shocked if Geary went. I'm to sure of many draft prospects on the interior defensive line with as short of a reach as him.
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I think we'll have a great year and DJamer Reed and/or Pringle will declare. Both are older for their class and could really shoot up draft boards with a big year.
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do agents make bucks without their kids getting paper?
didn't think so
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So who keeps the streak alive next year?
DJamer Reed or Duke Shelley maybe
I hope not for my own selfish reasons. I would rather the streak die than have one of them leave early.
I second this
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do agents make bucks without their kids getting paper?
didn't think so
They sure don't. He may have one by now but there is no way he had one when he made that fb post.
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here's the deal- what if he comes back, has a great year, goes in the 1st round NEXT year, and then a comet blows up the earth before the nfl season starts and he gets to play a single down in the nfl? guessing he would be a little pissed off for not getting a chance to fulfill his dream.
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Cre Moore played really well at times this year - could become a potential draft pick. Also, Reid Najvar could get picked with a solid year.
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Cre Moore played really well at times this year - could become a potential draft pick. Also, Reid Najvar could get picked with a solid year.
not if the comet scenario i outlined plays out
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Cre Moore played really well at times this year - could become a potential draft pick. Also, Reid Najvar could get picked with a solid year.
not if the comet scenario i outlined plays out
Good point, but that means we went out on top with the streak intact
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Cre Moore played really well at times this year - could become a potential draft pick. Also, Reid Najvar could get picked with a solid year.
Risner?
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Cre Moore played really well at times this year - could become a potential draft pick. Also, Reid Najvar could get picked with a solid year.
Risner?
Think he's only going to be a Junior, could go early but I doubt he does
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Cre Moore played really well at times this year - could become a potential draft pick. Also, Reid Najvar could get picked with a solid year.
not if the comet scenario i outlined plays out
Good point, but that means we went out on top with the streak intact
what if it happens after the first day of the draft?!
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Cre Moore played really well at times this year - could become a potential draft pick. Also, Reid Najvar could get picked with a solid year.
not if the comet scenario i outlined plays out
Good point, but that means we went out on top with the streak intact
what if it happens after the first day of the draft?!
3 days tho - if whole draft doesn't happen then it doesn't count
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Cre Moore played really well at times this year - could become a potential draft pick. Also, Reid Najvar could get picked with a solid year.
Risner?
Think he's only going to be a Junior, could go early but I doubt he does
I think Risner might get a higher grade than Lee if he stays healthy. I could definitely see him leaving early.
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Is The Streak actually in jeopardy? It's one of the greatest accomplishments in college sport
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Is The Stream actually in jeopardy? It's one of the greatest accomplishments in college sport
I think its a little early to mail it 14 months out...
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A lot of ppl thought it would be over this year, last year.
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Are we still considering Byce Brown as the streak saving draftee and I'm not sure he counts.
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Yes, he counts. They count him. Next...
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Are we still considering Byce Brown as the streak saving draftee and I'm not sure he counts.
I have seen him in a Cat's uni kicking ass and he was drafted. Not too hard to figure that out
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Are we still considering Byce Brown as the streak saving draftee and I'm not sure he counts.
idiot