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Either way, let's name the losses. Worst case scenario we're swept by KU, Baylor, and West Virginia, but that won't happen. We'll steal 1-2 games at home from those guys.
My projections:
-2 losses to KU
-Split with WVU
-2 losses to BU
2-3 bull crap losses on the road to shittier competition.
Do we get there?
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10-8 only has a shot to get us there if we get 2 against KU and Baylor.
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10-8 only has a shot to get us there if we get 2 against KU and Baylor.
That's fair. I bet 10-8 gives you a shot with a win over KU and WVU tho. I honestly think Baylor is better than KU this year.
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how many road games against shittier competition are we even going to have? 2-3 of those losses seems like it's counting about all of them
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Either way, let's name the losses. Worst case scenario we're swept by KU, Baylor, and West Virginia, but that won't happen. We'll steal 1-2 games at home from those guys.
My projections:
-2 losses to KU
-Split with WVU
-2 losses to BU
2-3 bull crap losses on the road to shittier competition.
Do we get there?
Are you really conceding a home game to Baylor? Take that crap to the shame thread.
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This is a different Baylor team vs years past, but I wouldn't be opposed to beating them.
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This is a different Baylor team vs years past, but I wouldn't be opposed to beating them.
Their noncon resume is impressive, but you can poke plenty of holes in it:
-Beat Oregon without their best player
-Haven't played a road game
-Michigan State sucks this year
-Are we sure VCU is good? (Lost to GA Tech and to Illinois by 18)
Baylor is good, but they are not so good that I'm penciling in two L's when we play them. Especially in Bramlage.
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I'll take another W. :emawkid: That gets us closer!
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We have to get some quality wins, probably at least 5 of them. It will be interesting to see where we can find those, since despite being the #1 kenpom league with all teams rated in the Top 70, the RPI picture isn't quite as good. Baylor and KU are top 10, TCU is somehow top 25, OSU is top 50, then West Virginia is 58. After that we are the next best at 73. Texas, ISU, and OU are all 100+. Granted, that will change some in the league and the SEC challenge, but the OOC RPI is pretty set. It might take 11 wins with the way the league has performed in the OOC.
I'd say from BU/ISU/WVU we must win at least 2 games, then go 8-4 (maybe 9-3) against the rest. Its a tough challenge, we'll see if this team can makes shots and defend on a consistent basis.
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I think 10. We can beat KU. OSU will torture us. Possibly beat Baylor.once. WV big questions how we do - new rules.help, but our thin bench concerns me here. Wv keeps coming at you like a herd of man eating rats.
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1) At 11-7, our chances would be pretty darn good to make it.
2) 10-8 with a KC win (meaning we probably beat the 4 seed as a 5, or beat 3 as a 6), I think our chances are more toward "Yes" than "No" on making it.
3) With a 10-8 + KC loss, it will probably come down to how strong the resumes are of the last spots (last 3-4 teams that make it as At large)
Isu, OKSt, Ou, Texas, Tech, Tcu ..... To get 9 wins here what be pretty nice. 6-0 home with 3-3 on the road (possibly 5-1 home 4-2 road). Then take 2 of the 3 at home vs Ku/Baylor/WV (Or 1 home win plus upset at WV/Baylor)
If we only go 8-4 vs the first group of 6 teams, then we need 3-3 vs Top 3 teams (that will be tough)to get to 11 wins.
** I'm hoping for 11-7 season. Then depending on what we do in Kc, I think we will be a 10 seed, or maybe even play ourselves into the 8 vs 9 matchup
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Some of you are forgetting how awful oscar is on the road. 4-23 in conference last 3 years
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This is an interesting site to follow along with
http://bracketmatrix.com/
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There's at least 4 sites out there right now that have the cats projected as an 11 seed and most of those are play in games.
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ive only watched a handful of games this year (because eff oscar) but in all honesty i think we can go 12-6 obviously a few things need to happen there:
ou sucks so i think we can sweep
osu is decent so i say split
isu is meh possible sweep
wvu is good but if you can beat a press you can win
as posted above we at least split with baylor they are overrated
ku for whatever reason loses to oscar at the fOOD
texas (still some ownage there)
thats all incumbent on who gets randolphed dean growing a real sack of balls and if DJamer stays healthy
worst case is 10-8
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Confidence rising
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Worst case is 8-10. Does that get oscar canned?
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Worst case is 8-10. Does that get oscar canned?
Not when he makes it to NYC in the NIT.
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If we go 10-8, we'll need one of those wins to be ku or baylor. If we don't, we'll probably need to win at least 1 game in the conference tourny, maybe 2. IF we're 11-7 I don't see them keeping us out. But, just my opinion.
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Best case for entertainment value is being on the bubble to hear oscar whine to the media about getting in/being left out
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Talk of 12-6 and 11-7? You guys have lost your god damned minds.
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Have you been watching the games, Rick? We're not bad. DJamer has gone full beast mode, Our guards are shooting well, Sneed's a legit 6th man, and we're moving the ball really really well.
Texas and Oklahoma are a bunch of bums
Iowa State isn't as good as everyone thought they'd be.
Tech and TCU are improved, but beatable.
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http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18333960
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Talk of 12-6 and 11-7? You guys have lost your god damned minds.
Is it so crazy to think that the university whose football team is already penciled in for the national championship game next season would also have a basketball team capable of coasting to double-digit conference wins and be a lock for the tourney?
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http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18333960
Strength of schedule is an obvious issue.
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Yeah, that was tough to watch. I really want that Maryland game back. We had them beat.
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http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18333960
For once Joe is correct.
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It looks like this non-con schedule has done exactly what it was designed to
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Talk of 12-6 and 11-7? You guys have lost your god damned minds.
Is it so crazy to think that the university whose football team is already penciled in for the national championship game next season would also have a basketball team capable of coasting to double-digit conference wins and be a lock for the tourney?
i feel like this is directed towards me. Could be wrong but wtf?
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Yeah, now if only there was a place to discuss such things. :lol:
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Talk of 12-6 and 11-7? You guys have lost your god damned minds.
Is it so crazy to think that the university whose football team is already penciled in for the national championship game next season would also have a basketball team capable of coasting to double-digit conference wins and be a lock for the tourney?
i feel like this is directed towards me. Could be wrong but wtf?
I mean we are predicting a semi final berth so the dig is only half correct.
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wvu is good but if you can beat a press you can win
well.
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I hadn't even seriously considered the possibility of this team making the tournament until MIR said it was 100% a tournament team. He usually doesn't say crap like that lightly so I'm leaning towards believing it.
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Some of you are forgetting how awful oscar is on the road. 4-23 in conference last 3 years
This. We would be favorites for maybe one road conference game right now, and even that might be a stretch.
Any talk above 10-8 is laughable. I think 10-8 is the absolute ceiling for this team.
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I hadn't even seriously considered the possibility of this team making the tournament until MIR said it was 100% a tournament team. He usually doesn't say crap like that lightly so I'm leaning towards believing it.
The team probably has enough talent to get a tournament bid, but they have done absolutely nothing to deserve one and will need to be very good in conference play to sneak in.
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Some of you are forgetting how awful oscar is on the road. 4-23 in conference last 3 years
This. We would be favorites for maybe one road conference game right now, and even that might be a stretch.
Any talk above 10-8 is laughable. I think 10-8 is the absolute ceiling for this team.
:rolleyes:
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Honestly how many of you thought we would have this record. They aren't bad. 4th or 5th good.
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They're all patiently waiting for them to fail, Reno. They hate oscar that much.
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Honestly how many of you thought we would have this record. They aren't bad. 4th or 5th good.
I thought this record was the most likely scenario.
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1) I'm not surprised we are 11-1 with this schedule. I am pleasantly surprised how easily we beat some of these teams.
2) oscar teams have something to prove on the road because of past 3 years. However B12 is not as strong as any of those 3 years. I don't think 3-6 or even 4-5 road record is predicting something outlandish when you consider the league's strength & Ksu solid play so far away from OOD this year
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Talk of 12-6 and 11-7? You guys have lost your god damned minds.
there's a fairly significant substance abuse culture on this blog
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I keep coming up 8-10, 9-9 best case :dunno:
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I might watch 10 or 8 minutes of ksucats bb this year
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Talk of 12-6 and 11-7? You guys have lost your god damned minds.
Is it so crazy to think that the university whose football team is already penciled in for the national championship game next season would also have a basketball team capable of coasting to double-digit conference wins and be a lock for the tourney?
i feel like this is directed towards me. Could be wrong but wtf?
I mean we are predicting a semi final berth so the dig is only half correct.
i said i think we have a legit shot at the pepper next year, im not sure why that is such a reach
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If you're not dissing on k-state and not expecting the ultimate crap show of a season, kslim, you're not one of them. Tuck outed!
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Calling K-State good or bad after this non-con is a stretch either way. Losing by 1 to Maryland doesn't make us a bad team and beating a bunch of terrible teams by a bunch doesn't make us a good team. This team hasn't proven anything and could finish anywhere from 4th to 10th in conference. It's similar to where the FB team was heading into the WV game.
My problem is that this may be tournament team but scheduled themselves a narrow path into the tournament. By stockpiling meaningless wins, I think we forced ourselves into 11-7 in conference to have a reasonable shot. If we finish 10-8 and don't make the tournament, people should be fired for the disservice they did to the players.
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That's fair, but I also think we've seen a few things to be excited about. DJamer for one is a freaking monster, Sneed is electric, and our guards shooting has been fun to watch. If that can carry over into conference play, we'll have a shot to be good and I think it's worthy of conversation.
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We will beat.KU at home, and.scare the hell out of them chickenhouse 15% of winning.there. A lot of teams will have a lot of losses in the league this year, a war is brewing. Tough will rise and woosie sink. The CSU game onvinced me we have some substance of grit. So who are the wilting woosies - this here you find our fate.
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That's fair, but I also think we've seen a few things to be excited about. DJamer for one is a freaking monster, Sneed is electric, and our guards shooting has been fun to watch. If that can carry over into conference play, we'll have a shot to be good and I think it's worthy of conversation.
Get excited if you think we're good. You're not off base and neither is someone who thinks we're garbage. This team is still such a mystery due to the way we've scheduled.
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Either way, let's name the losses. Worst case scenario we're swept by KU, Baylor, and West Virginia, but that won't happen. We'll steal 1-2 games at home from those guys.
My projections:
-2 losses to KU
-Split with WVU
-2 losses to BU
2-3 bull crap losses on the road to shittier competition.
Do we get there?
This is the kind of "Good" wacky bbs'n this board needs.
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:thumbs:
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IMHO - a win apiece over the top 10s (KU, Baylor, and WVU), picking up a win or two on the road, and anything 9 - 9* or better and we're "in." That's no small task. If we can get good leadership out of DJamer and Wes, plus some solid guard play out of Kamau and Barry in league play, who have great potential. Having the wildcards of Dean and Sneed show up big during league play could make a big difference.
:bball:
I don't feel too confident in our bench (beyond Sneed). I hope not to be here in March with a broken heart (again). Though, the consolation for that could be that oscar is unemployed.
(*edited from 8 - 10 to 9 - 9, 20 wins is more powerful "looking" than 19)
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IMHO - a win apiece over the top 10s (KU, Baylor, and WVU), picking up a win or two on the road, and anything 9 - 9* or better and we're "in." That's no small task. If we can get good leadership out of DJamer and Wes, plus some solid guard play out of Kamau and Barry in league play, who have great potential. Having the wildcards of Dean and Sneed show up big during league play could make a big difference.
:bball:
I don't feel too confident in our bench (beyond Sneed). I hope not to be here in March with a broken heart (again). Though, the consolation for that could be that oscar is unemployed.
(*edited from 8 - 10 to 9 - 9, 20 wins is more powerful "looking" than 19)
I don't think it matter who we win against. There are no bad losses in the big 12 this year, so you are going to have a collection of good wins with 9.
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I don't think it matter who we win against. There are no bad losses in the big 12 this year, so you are going to have a collection of good wins with 9.
i don't agree with this at all. we'll see how it shakes out, but if things more or less hold, with 3 elite teams and 7 medium-good teams, i think all of the 7 medium-good teams will be judged based on how they do against the 3 elite teams.
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I love the NCAA tourney, and I love it more when CatsU is in it.
Hope they find a way to get in, whatever that may be.
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Making the tournament with no chance of making a run sucks, it's like not making it at all to me. :dunno:
2010 was the only fun year. I love upsetting ranked conference teams, that's why I watch.
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Making the tournament with no chance of making a run sucks, it's like not making it at all to me. :dunno:
2010 was the only fun year. I love upsetting ranked conference teams, that's why I watch.
GTFOOMF with this crap. The only thing necesary to make a run in the tournament is to make the tournament.
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Yup. Wetwillie gets it. We don't even know how we match up yet vs "A" class competition. Take a lap, Gat!
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It matters who we beat. Ku Baylor and WV could be Top 25 RPI. Those wins are better than Ou.
11 wins counting Kc with 2 of those vs top teams, and I will be surprised if we are not in
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Yup. Wetwillie gets it. We don't even know how we match up yet vs "A" class competition. Take a lap, Gat!
What if I told you that I know how we match up against A competition?
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I don't think it matter who we win against. There are no bad losses in the big 12 this year, so you are going to have a collection of good wins with 9.
i don't agree with this at all. we'll see how it shakes out, but if things more or less hold, with 3 elite teams and 7 medium-good teams, i think all of the 7 medium-good teams will be judged based on how they do against the 3 elite teams.
In the sense of the conference it matters. But in the sense of making the tourney I don't think it does. You would have to drop all you games to the top 3. Then have the great fortune on the bottom three really taking a step back and sweeping them. I think both of those are really unlikely.
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If we go 10-8 in this conference we'll be a 7 or better seed. There are no good mid major teams this year, and the PAC and SEC are dumpster fires again. Even the MWC, which has been good for 3+ bids is looking like a one-bid conference. The number of teams that get in is static, they fill all the spots. If we get 10 conf wins we'll have ~6 top 50 wins.
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The A10 sucks bad this year too.
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11-7 minimum to get a Bid and I ain't seeing it.
Slow starts, falling in love with and then clanking a lot of 3's, pillowy soft play during long stretches and of course the oscar micro micromanagement fatigue factor.
How unsure of your coaching, game prep and teams abilities are you, if you're literally directing your guys where to dribble, when to pass and when to get their hands up, amongst many other things?
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Tenn could be our best non con win. The sec is awful
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Yup. Wetwillie gets it. We don't even know how we match up yet vs "A" class competition. Take a lap, Gat!
What if I told you that I know how we match up against A competition?
I'd then reply that your thought process of that is leaned heavily towards us having a squirrelly voiced coach, who you dislike, while vastly ignoring the improvement this team has made. Thank god we don't have to go down that road tho. :cheers: Handing out body bags on Christmas is never fun. :)
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Who are all these juggernaught teams that loaded up on noncon wins that are going to get in ovet a big 12 team with a winning conf record? I'm really interested in the absurd and bizarre premise?
21-10 (9-9) KState is going to get in over 25-5 (11-4) C-USA.
In goE fantasy land where there are three 15-3 teams and seven 6-12 teams, we're defintely in troubs tho...
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Yup. Wetwillie gets it. We don't even know how we match up yet vs "A" class competition. Take a lap, Gat!
What if I told you that I know how we match up against A competition?
I'd then reply that your thought process of that is leaned heavily towards us having a squirrelly voiced coach, who you dislike, while vastly ignoring the improvement this team has made. Thank god we don't have to go down that road tho. :cheers: Handing out body bags on Christmas is never fun. :)
you think oscar is the reason this team has improved?
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Umm what? I never said that, but now that you bring it up, these are his players and I like watching his offense run well. But yeah, he has zero touch of any success this team has. :rollingmyfuckingeyes:
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Everyone loves consistency and runs like what Frank brought us. You're probably going to get a tourney team from oscar every 3-4 years, when his DITR are senior led, which really sucks, but I'm going to enjoy a K-State tourney team when I think I see one, so that's what I'm doing. You don't have to blindly hate oscar so much, where you act like he's not accountable for any success from a successful team. It's petty and dumb.
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Hating oscar has little to do with what happens on the court fwiw
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Why will do better in conference this hear?
Westicles is a better shooter.
DJamer.
is fully healthy.
Deathbite is not out.
Flush can be good when he wants to.
Dogbite is a better backup to Kam.
Honcho Sneed is a great 6th man.
Claws is willing to brand and castrate instead of just horse ridin.
Swampthing and Hothorndog can give us some good minutes.
I hope Bullnuts isn't lost for good, we need a minute eater if DJamer or Wade gets into foul trouble.
I think Coach Cornboy is helping the meats.
Even are bench grunts are better too.
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I hadn't even seriously considered the possibility of this team making the tournament until MIR said it was 100% a tournament team. He usually doesn't say crap like that lightly so I'm leaning towards believing it.
Let me couch that a bit. I think we have the talent to be a tournament team but you can make a very strong case that oscar's teams have underachieved every single year he's been here. If this team does that, we're out. I don't anticipate 4 losses to OU, Texas, Tech, and TCU but if we do we're boned because I don't think we're sweeping KU, WVU, Baylor, or OSU.
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I hadn't even seriously considered the possibility of this team making the tournament until MIR said it was 100% a tournament team. He usually doesn't say crap like that lightly so I'm leaning towards believing it.
The team probably has enough talent to get a tournament bid, but they have done absolutely nothing to deserve one and will need to be very good in conference play to sneak in.
I disagree with that, I think they have deserved a bid to this point. If the tournament was selected today I think we make it. There is no prerequisite of having to be tested a set amount of times in the non conference. That becomes an issue if you don't take care of business in conference play.
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This is an interesting site to follow along with
http://bracketmatrix.com/
First four out now http://bracketmatrix.com/
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Yeah, that was tough to watch. I really want that Maryland game back. We had them beat.
Say the same thing about the Kentucky game in oscar Year 2, and LaSalle in oscar Year 1.
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Yeah, that was tough to watch. I really want that Maryland game back. We had them beat.
Say the same thing about the Kentucky game in oscar Year 2, and LaSalle in oscar Year 1.
That could be said for every coach that ever existed, dingbat. Also, I don't recall us having "Kentucky" beat.
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Yeah, that was tough to watch. I really want that Maryland game back. We had them beat.
Say the same thing about the Kentucky game in oscar Year 2, and LaSalle in oscar Year 1.
That could be said for every coach that ever existed, dingbat. Also, I don't recall us having "Kentucky" beat.
Yeah that pregame dunk technical. #woof
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Yeah, that was tough to watch. I really want that Maryland game back. We had them beat.
Say the same thing about the Kentucky game in oscar Year 2, and LaSalle in oscar Year 1.
That could be said for every coach that ever existed, dingbat. Also, I don't recall us having "Kentucky" beat.
And North Carolina at Sprint Center because the idiot at the helm didn't realize three consecutive buckets by the opponent warrants a timeout....or four...or five.
Why are you so unable to face the fact that this is a decent aggregation of talent that will lose in ridiculous ways because of a bad game coach?
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If you want me to breakdown every coaches decision on a heart break loss, we could be here all day. Currently we're 11-1 and although I dislike our coach, I'm not going to grasp at straws for how shitty they are, just because I hate the guy. Some of our fans are so full of rage, that they spout off and have no other response than "eff that guy"! I loved frank, but he also had a history of teams that played close or lost to lesser opponents. That has not been the case this year. If you wanna pout and act like this team is going nowhere, fine by me. However, the #BID'rs script gets old. You legitimately have nothing to bitch about at this point with this team, so you bring up past history to warrant your hate. rough ridin' yawn, dude!
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And FTR, I'd rather make the tournament this year vs getting oscar fired, because I love the tournament and cats hoops. This team won't have much next season, so let Currie run him out then.
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And FTR, I'd rather make the tournament this year vs getting oscar fired, because I love the tournament and cats hoops. This team won't have much next season, so let Currie run him out then.
Why would Currie run oscar after an NIT berth and Year 1 of a re-build?
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Currie ran the women's coach real quick and she had semi recent success before doing so and so far this year it looks like a decent move. If oscar does what Frank did last year with that South Carolina team, he'll be run. You playing Nostradamus with these outcomes is quite impressive tho. We know our AD on the front end with his hires, oscar is the ugliest one of them, but donors are talking (related to the biggest one now) and Currie understands the heat.
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And FTR, I'd rather make the tournament this year vs getting oscar fired, because I love the tournament and cats hoops. This team won't have much next season, so let Currie run him out then.
i too hope we make the tourney this year, but your premise of making the tourney this year only for currie to turn around and fire oscar next year when we regress is ridiculous.
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Currie ran the women's coach real quick and she had semi recent success before doing so and so far this year it looks like a decent move. If oscar does what Frank did last year with that South Carolina team, he'll be run. You playing Nostradamus with these outcomes is quite impressive tho. We know our AD on the front end with his hires, oscar is the ugliest one of them, but donors are talking (related to the biggest one now) and Currie understands the heat.
Currie did not hire Deb.
John Currie does not admit mistakes.
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Not crap? Currie hired Mittie who's doing well for them now.
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And FTR, I'd rather make the tournament this year vs getting oscar fired, because I love the tournament and cats hoops. This team won't have much next season, so let Currie run him out then.
i too hope we make the tourney this year, but your premise of making the tourney this year only for currie to turn around and fire oscar next year when we regress is ridiculous.
I don't think it's that far out of bounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_Patterson
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And FTR, I'd rather make the tournament this year vs getting oscar fired, because I love the tournament and cats hoops. This team won't have much next season, so let Currie run him out then.
i too hope we make the tourney this year, but your premise of making the tourney this year only for currie to turn around and fire oscar next year when we regress is ridiculous.
I don't think it's that far out of bounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_Patterson
He fired Deb a year after she made the NIT?
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I think deb (like frank) was somewhat difficult to manage. oscar isn't. I think that makes a pretty big difference for our guy JC, but it's possible that I'm wrong.
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And FTR, I'd rather make the tournament this year vs getting oscar fired, because I love the tournament and cats hoops. This team won't have much next season, so let Currie run him out then.
i too hope we make the tourney this year, but your premise of making the tourney this year only for currie to turn around and fire oscar next year when we regress is ridiculous.
I don't think it's that far out of bounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_Patterson
Also, good point on the management stuff, RD! We do need to take that into account.
He fired Deb a year after she made the NIT?
Two years removed from the tourney. I'm just saying, it's not crazy to think that going only 3 out of 6 years to the tourney at your time at K-State isn't beneath firing.
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I think deb (like frank) was somewhat difficult to manage. oscar isn't. I think that makes a pretty big difference for our guy JC, but it's possible that I'm wrong.
Correct. There is no way Frank or Deb would have survived a season that oscar had last year. The athletic department essentially told everyone a fictional account of what would happen if Frank stayed, as a reason that we were lucky he left. These things have actually happened during oscar and he made it through with barely a scratch.
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:frown:
http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2016/12/28/college-basketball-conference-reset-the-big-12s-best-players-and-biggest-story-lines/
POSTSEASON PREDICTIONS
Tourney teams
1.Kansas: [...]
2. Baylor: [...]
3. West Virginia: [...]
4. Oklahoma State: [...]
5. Iowa State: [...]
6. Texas Tech: [...]
NIT teams
7. Oklahoma: [...]
8. TCU: [...]
Autobid or bust
9. Kansas State: The Wildcats have exceeded expectations through the non-conference portion of their schedule but they haven’t been tested at all, either. Their younger players will certainly be put to the test in the grinding 18-game conference slate.
10. Texas: [...]
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yeah, well if that happens we will have a new coach. or a new AD take your pick
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:frown:
http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2016/12/28/college-basketball-conference-reset-the-big-12s-best-players-and-biggest-story-lines/
POSTSEASON PREDICTIONS
Tourney teams
1.Kansas: [...]
2. Baylor: [...]
3. West Virginia: [...]
4. Oklahoma State: [...]
5. Iowa State: [...]
6. Texas Tech: [...]
NIT teams
7. Oklahoma: [...]
8. TCU: [...]
Autobid or bust
9. Kansas State: The Wildcats have exceeded expectations through the non-conference portion of their schedule but they haven’t been tested at all, either. Their younger players will certainly be put to the test in the grinding 18-game conference slate.
10. Texas: [...]
What a bunch of dorks. :lol:
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I don't care