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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Cartierfor3 on November 03, 2016, 01:49:51 PM
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This Blunt vs Kander thing is coming down to the wire folks :bwpopcorn:
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Congressman Yoder pulled out the big gun for his new ads.
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Big Cigarette Tax thing up for a vote starting soon in MO
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This Blunt vs Kander thing is coming down to the wire folks :bwpopcorn:
I honestly thought these people were in different races
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we had like two dozen ballot measures we could vote on. what a treat.
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Did you legalize that devil's lettuce?
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I voted against the hunting amendment. (Sorry Emo)
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In MO one of the guys going for gov used to be a special forces ninja
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Yes! That's the guy I want to vote for. I should write down his name
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Did you legalize that devil's lettuce?
me and everyone else in the state, if you can believe the polls.
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Did you legalize that devil's lettuce?
me and everyone else in the state, if you can believe the polls.
Unfortunate
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What about the taxpayer protection act cf3? I don't know what it does but I really don't like the sound of it
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Unfortunate
it'll make the people happy, which they should be.
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vote yes on that lib
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I dunno bro. Oklahoma did something named similar that like made it illegal to raise taxes and now they can't fund schools
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ok then don't vote for it i don't care what you do
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Crabbyfor3, sheesh
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Did you legalize that devil's lettuce?
YES!
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Unfortunate
it'll make the people happy, which they should be.
It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?
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Seems like that has been disproven.
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Unfortunate
it'll make the people happy, which they should be.
It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?
prescription painkillers are far far worse in this regard
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Seems like that has been disproven.
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How can you disprove the effect of gateway drugs.
Unfortunate
it'll make the people happy, which they should be.
It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?
prescription painkillers are far far worse in this regard
Correct. I'm am opposed to loosening regulations on prescription painkillers as well.
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I'm voting no on the Chargers stadium. NFL stadiums have no place being near downtown
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Seems like that has been disproven.
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How can you disprove the effect of gateway drugs.
Unfortunate
it'll make the people happy, which they should be.
It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?
prescription painkillers are far far worse in this regard
Correct. I'm am opposed to loosening regulations on prescription painkillers as well.
I read something a while back that noted a recent study showing no increase in things like heroine and whatnot by ppl who use pot regularly. They basically said that it is no more a gateway drug than cigarettes or booze are.
Same article also noted that prescriptions of opioids are dropping by like 1k/doc/yr in CO because they can prescribe pot.
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Seems like that has been disproven.
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How can you disprove the effect of gateway drugs.
Unfortunate
it'll make the people happy, which they should be.
It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?
prescription painkillers are far far worse in this regard
Correct. I'm am opposed to loosening regulations on prescription painkillers as well.
I read something a while back that noted a recent study showing no increase in things like heroine and whatnot by ppl who use pot regularly. They basically said that it is no more a gateway drug than cigarettes or booze are.
Same article also noted that prescriptions of opioids are dropping by like 1k/doc/yr in CO because they can prescribe pot.
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Please link this so I can mock it. Any marijuana study or article that extols the virtue of marijuana, not hemp oil, for medicinal purposes but also doesn't acknowledge that marijuana can and has been a first entry drug for someone addicted to something else is obviously agenda driven.
I understand that marijuana does not have the same addictive properties of other legal and illegal drugs but to completely dismiss it is idiotic and something not rooted in any science at all, its pothead logic. Also I'm unaware of any scientific study that shows positive effect of medical marijuana, I'm aware of the anecdotal evidence of it as a pain reliever but that's no surprise because it's a mind altering substance.
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i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use. seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way). i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't. people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.
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People that think marijuana is "safe" or "non-addictive" or "medicinal" are people who've never tried it and/or are mindless indoctrinated idiots.
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People that think marijuana is "safe" or "non-addictive" are people who've never tried it.
are you suggesting that people that have tried it are all addicts?
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I am shocked by fsd's stance on this issue
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People that think marijuana is "safe" or "non-addictive" are people who've never tried it.
are you suggesting that people that have tried it are all addicts?
No. I'm saying it has the same medical property as huffing glue.
I'm cool with people who say mj should be legal because I want to get stoned. I wanna punch any douche bag who says it should be legal bc it's safe or bc it's medicine .
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People that think marijuana is "safe" or "non-addictive" are people who've never tried it.
are you suggesting that people that have tried it are all addicts?
No.
then i'm curious as to how the knowledge that marijuana is addictive is magically conferred upon those who've tried it and didn't become addicted.
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I want it legal because I want to get stoned, fsd
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marijuana for medical use is already legal in california. the current ballot measure is explicitly for recreational use.
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I want it legal because I want to get stoned, fsd
In all honesty, it's probably best that it's illegal and widely available. Don't want a bunch of squares intruding
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People that think marijuana is "safe" or "non-addictive" are people who've never tried it.
are you suggesting that people that have tried it are all addicts?
No.
then i'm curious as to how the knowledge that marijuana is addictive is magically conferred upon those who've tried it and didn't become addicted.
Here's a simple rule of thumb, if it makes you feel awesome, it's probably addictive
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i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use. seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way). i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't. people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.
Wait, I didn't say that. Pro pot are very adept at turning one talking point into that, I want no part of that argument. The argument I'm making is that weed is a safer entry into the world of mind altering drugs than heroin, pcp, toot, crack, etc. Once marijuana becomes normalized to the user, to some it then becomes easier to make that leap. Contrary to popular belief marijuana isn't as readily available as alcohol and we don't need to make it that way. I'm good with decriminalizing a small amount of weed but we don't need to legalize it because smokers think it's harmless.
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It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?
i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.
Wait, I didn't say that. Pro pot are very adept at turning one talking point into that, I want no part of that argument. The argument I'm making is that weed is a safer entry into the world of mind altering drugs than heroin, pcp, toot, crack, etc. Once marijuana becomes normalized to the user, to some it then becomes easier to make that leap. Contrary to popular belief marijuana isn't as readily available as alcohol and we don't need to make it that way. I'm good with decriminalizing a small amount of weed but we don't need to legalize it because smokers think it's harmless.
i guess i have no idea what you're saying then. it certainly sounds to me like you're saying exactly what i said, both initially and then again right below where you say you're not saying it.
the argument that marijuana is less available than alcohol and for unknown reasons shouldn't be made more available is not particularly convincing on it's own.
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It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?
i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.
Wait, I didn't say that. Pro pot are very adept at turning one talking point into that, I want no part of that argument. The argument I'm making is that weed is a safer entry into the world of mind altering drugs than heroin, pcp, toot, crack, etc. Once marijuana becomes normalized to the user, to some it then becomes easier to make that leap. Contrary to popular belief marijuana isn't as readily available as alcohol and we don't need to make it that way. I'm good with decriminalizing a small amount of weed but we don't need to legalize it because smokers think it's harmless.
i guess i have no idea what you're saying then. it certainly sounds to me like you're saying exactly what i said, both initially and then again right below where you say you're not saying it.
the argument that marijuana is less available than alcohol and for unknown reasons shouldn't be made more available is not particularly convincing on it's own.
Well I guess I am saying that, I just don't like your simplification, it makes easier to manipulate the argument. The availability argument wasn't made to convince you to change your mind, your particular views on this issue renders that point insignificant.
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Seems like that has been disproven.
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How can you disprove the effect of gateway drugs.
Unfortunate
it'll make the people happy, which they should be.
It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?
prescription painkillers are far far worse in this regard
Correct. I'm am opposed to loosening regulations on prescription painkillers as well.
I read something a while back that noted a recent study showing no increase in things like heroine and whatnot by ppl who use pot regularly. They basically said that it is no more a gateway drug than cigarettes or booze are.
Same article also noted that prescriptions of opioids are dropping by like 1k/doc/yr in CO because they can prescribe pot.
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Please link this so I can mock it. Any marijuana study or article that extols the virtue of marijuana, not hemp oil, for medicinal purposes but also doesn't acknowledge that marijuana can and has been a first entry drug for someone addicted to something else is obviously agenda driven.
I understand that marijuana does not have the same addictive properties of other legal and illegal drugs but to completely dismiss it is idiotic and something not rooted in any science at all, its pothead logic. Also I'm unaware of any scientific study that shows positive effect of medical marijuana, I'm aware of the anecdotal evidence of it as a pain reliever but that's no surprise because it's a mind altering substance.
I'll see if I can track it down
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Unfortunate
it'll make the people happy, which they should be.
It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?
LOL. Wtf. Dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
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So, I am not finding the specific article, but google is full of articles about how marijuana is reducing opioid use and some where they are even using marijuana as treatment for opiod abuse. As you know, heroin is obvsly an opioid. It would seem that a logical next step would be that marijuana legalization may even reduce the amount of heroin addicts as much of the rise in heroin use, recently, has been ppl chasing a pain killer addiction and substituting heroin for oxy as it is less expensive.
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Colorado has had to have special sessions to determine a use of excess tax dollars from marijuana. Granted, Kansas or any other state outside of California likely won't see as large of a benefit. Between taxing the hell out of it, saving money policing/incarcerating people, and it being demonstrably less dangerous than alcohol, I really can't think of a good argument in keeping it illegal.
There can't possibly be any evidence that says legalizing weed increases heroin addicts. Alcohol is a legal mind altering substance and doesn't lead people to doing heroin. I don't see why marijuana is any different.
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i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use. seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way). i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't. people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.
I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.
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i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use. seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way). i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't. people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.
I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.
Have you heard any info regarding the amt of law enforcement, judicial, and incarceration time and money spent on pot enforcement? It's a lot. All to keep ppl from doing something equivalent to having a beer or two after work.
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i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use. seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way). i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't. people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.
I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.
Have you heard any info regarding the amt of law enforcement, judicial, and incarceration time and money spent on pot enforcement? It's a lot. All to keep ppl from doing something equivalent to having a beer or two after work.
I was talking more about heroine users doing illegal crap to score smack, and OD'ing and tying up ER's and stuff like that.
I'm okay with smoking pot. Don't think smokers (of pot or tobacco) should be eligible for subsidized health care, tho. ss
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i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use. seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way). i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't. people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.
I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.
Have you heard any info regarding the amt of law enforcement, judicial, and incarceration time and money spent on pot enforcement? It's a lot. All to keep ppl from doing something equivalent to having a beer or two after work.
I was talking more about heroine users doing illegal crap to score smack, and OD'ing and tying up ER's and stuff like that.
I'm okay with smoking pot. Don't think smokers (of pot or tobacco) should be eligible for subsidized health care, tho. ss
I assume ss is slippery slope?
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i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use. seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way). i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't. people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.
I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.
Both of which would go down if it's legal, and you could use the funds off the taxes to fund whatever extra enforcement would be needed. We spend way too much money trying to fight marijuana, and end up sending thousands of nonviolent criminals to jail for not really anything.
That would be way more expensive than actively using law enforcement to stop marijuana, and send those people to jail.
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i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use. seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way). i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't. people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.
I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.
Have you heard any info regarding the amt of law enforcement, judicial, and incarceration time and money spent on pot enforcement? It's a lot. All to keep ppl from doing something equivalent to having a beer or two after work.
I was talking more about heroine users doing illegal crap to score smack, and OD'ing and tying up ER's and stuff like that.
I'm okay with smoking pot. Don't think smokers (of pot or tobacco) should be eligible for subsidized health care, tho. ss
I assume ss is slippery slope?
ss = me trying to push Alt+s twice and failing and not noticing :lol:
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i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use. seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way). i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't. people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.
I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.
Both of which would go down if it's legal, and you could use the funds off the taxes to fund whatever extra enforcement would be needed. We spend way too much money trying to fight marijuana, and end up sending thousands of nonviolent criminals to jail for not really anything.
That would be way more expensive than actively using law enforcement to stop marijuana, and send those people to jail.
It then severely harms the ability of those nonviolent criminals to participate in anything other than poverty due to a criminal record. It harms them, their family, and other tax payers.
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i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use. seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way). i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't. people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.
I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.
Both of which would go down if it's legal, and you could use the funds off the taxes to fund whatever extra enforcement would be needed. We spend way too much money trying to fight marijuana, and end up sending thousands of nonviolent criminals to jail for not really anything.
That would be way more expensive than actively using law enforcement to stop marijuana, and send those people to jail.
ok
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People that think marijuana use leads to heroin use are people who've never tried it and/or are mindless indoctrinated idiots.
yes
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I think it's much more of a social cause and effect than anything directly attributable to the drug itself. Loser pot smokers hang out with other loser pot smokers, they're in a situation and ya man I'll try heroine cool.
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I think it's much more of a social cause and effect than anything directly attributable to the drug itself. Loser pot smokers hang out with other loser pot smokers, they're in a situation and ya man I'll try heroine cool.
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I think it's much more of a social cause and effect than anything directly attributable to the drug itself. Loser pot smokers hang out with other loser pot smokers, they're in a situation and ya man I'll try heroine cool.
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I wanted to specifically differentiate between loser pot smokers and everyday normal successful people who happen to smoke pot, of which I am aware there are some that actually exist.
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The notion that weed is safer than alcohol and vice versa is so absurd it's ot even worth debating.
I thinks the statistics that weed is safer is based on car crashes or cirrhosis or something absurd like that.
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Every person who wants to smoke pot is already doing it. Legalization will do very little to increase its use.
Also, marijuana used as a supplement to opiates can cut the opiate use in half for people with chronic pain. Granted, you are trading one drug for another, but marijuana is much less harmful to your internal organs than opiates.
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The notion that weed is safer than alcohol and vice versa is so absurd it's ot even worth debating.
You are saying that the idea that weed is safer than alcohol is absurd.
And also that the idea that alcohol is safer than weed is absurd.
Do I understand this correctly?
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The difference is that too much alcohol can kill you and too much weed can't.
Although both are dangerous because they both can impair you to the point where you make reckless decisions.
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alcohol is more dangerous to a user, and to people around the user, than marijuana. i mean, it's not even close.
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So what? I don't think it will go bananas, though. Testing detects it for weeks and legalizing it won't effect the fact that your boss can fire you for having in your system
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So what? I don't think it will go bananas, though. Testing detects it for weeks and legalizing it won't effect the fact that your boss can fire you for having in your system
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This is why it needs to be legal federally.
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Ya know I could benefit from my boss smoking weed.
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because your boss would turn into a heroin junkie, making you the new boss?
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No I just think it would chill her out, man.
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No I just think it would chill her out, man.
And there it is. Emo can't handle being managed by a woman?
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So what? I don't think it will go bananas, though. Testing detects it for weeks and legalizing it won't effect the fact that your boss can fire you for having in your system
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This is why it needs to be legal federally.
What difference would that make?
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So what? I don't think it will go bananas, though. Testing detects it for weeks and legalizing it won't effect the fact that your boss can fire you for having in your system
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This is why it needs to be legal federally.
What difference would that make?
The basis for employers still being able to fire people is that it is still a federal crime.
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So what? I don't think it will go bananas, though. Testing detects it for weeks and legalizing it won't effect the fact that your boss can fire you for having in your system
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This is why it needs to be legal federally.
What difference would that make?
The basis for employers still being able to fire people is that it is still a federal crime.
Employers can't have a company policy that employees can't smoke pot if it's not a federal crime?
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So what? I don't think it will go bananas, though. Testing detects it for weeks and legalizing it won't effect the fact that your boss can fire you for having in your system
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This is why it needs to be legal federally.
What difference would that make?
The basis for employers still being able to fire people is that it is still a federal crime.
Employers can't have a company policy that employees can't smoke pot if it's not a federal crime?
It would be like having a policy that you can't drink alcohol outside of work hours.
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Also medical marijuana would be protected by the ADA if it wasn't a schedule 1 drug.
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Not recreational
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So what? I don't think it will go bananas, though. Testing detects it for weeks and legalizing it won't effect the fact that your boss can fire you for having in your system
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This is why it needs to be legal federally.
What difference would that make?
The basis for employers still being able to fire people is that it is still a federal crime.
Employers can't have a company policy that employees can't smoke pot if it's not a federal crime?
It would be like having a policy that you can't drink alcohol outside of work hours.
Yeah. I'm assuming companies can do that. I'm really don't know if they can, though.
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So what? I don't think it will go bananas, though. Testing detects it for weeks and legalizing it won't effect the fact that your boss can fire you for having in your system
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This is why it needs to be legal federally.
What difference would that make?
The basis for employers still being able to fire people is that it is still a federal crime.
Employers can't have a company policy that employees can't smoke pot if it's not a federal crime?
It would be like having a policy that you can't drink alcohol outside of work hours.
Yeah. I'm assuming companies can do that. I'm really don't know if they can, though.
sure they can. see pro sports in colorado for an obvious example.
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we had a death penalty yeah or nah. I picked nah.
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we had two death penalties. one yeah or nah and one kill them faster/better.
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we had two death penalties. one yeah or nah and one kill them faster/better.
imagine the yeah/nah voter in that scenario. they're hick isis.
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jesus christ didn't suffer on that cross for hours for you to comfortably drift off into dream land.
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In a stunning turn of events, a libtard opposes the death penalty.
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No one on either side favors the death penalty FSD
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Like 2/3 of the country supports the death penalty, dweeb. It's legal in all nonretard states and even the fed govt.
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Unfortunate
it'll make the people happy, which they should be.
It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?
LOL. Wtf. Dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
the least surprising take ever, puff puff pass bro.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/10/28/archdiocese-spend-against-marijuana-legalization/qtCwVY4ViWjRFwOvcyveeK/story.html
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/10/28/archdiocese-spend-against-marijuana-legalization/qtCwVY4ViWjRFwOvcyveeK/story.html
How ridiculous. How many homeless could eat for a year with $850.000?
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if I was ever going to run for public office my main thing would be eliminating the tax exempt status of religious/religions/whatever. it's such bullshit. obviously I would not be elected anywhere but I should be.
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if I was ever going to run for public office my main thing would be eliminating the tax exempt status of religious/religions/whatever. it's such bullshit. obviously I would not be elected anywhere but I should be.
You'd be assasinated that's an untouchable
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Facebook memes would be fantastic, though
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if I was ever going to run for public office my main thing would be eliminating the tax exempt status of religious/religions/whatever. it's such bullshit. obviously I would not be elected anywhere but I should be.
You'd be assasinated that's an untouchable
Yup
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Taxing charitable organizations would be a new low for the federal government.
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Well at least this bigot can go off and die now
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/09/ariz-sheriff-joe-arpaio-ousted-by-voters-ending-the-24-year-run-of-americas-toughest-sheriff/
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Well at least this bigot can go off and die now
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/09/ariz-sheriff-joe-arpaio-ousted-by-voters-ending-the-24-year-run-of-americas-toughest-sheriff/
I was just about to post about him
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extremely LOL on the timing of it. he's waited his whole life for trump 45 and has to watch from the sideline
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So where are all the places weed is legal now?
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CA, AR, MA are recreational now. can't remember the 4th one(must be the weed). Couple other states approved medical including ND.
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It failed in Arizona.
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how bout you read a news article instead of speculating back and forth?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/08/medical-marijuana-sails-to-victory-in-florida/
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extremely LOL on the timing of it. he's waited his whole life for trump 45 and has to watch from the sideline
future Sec of Homeland Security
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extremely LOL on the timing of it. he's waited his whole life for trump 45 and has to watch from the sideline
future Sec of Homeland Security
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Is Nevada going to have weed shops set up by Thanksgiving?
Asking for a friend.
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1/1/17
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1/1/17
So a New Year's trip is in order.