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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Blackcats on October 17, 2016, 03:47:12 PM
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How do you mump this up this bad?
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Agreed. The guy has been terrible for the Big12.
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Mump what up? We're keeping the round robin and getting more money to stay at 10 teams. What the hell are you guys crying about? Yeah man we lost bigly because we couldn't trade nationally televised games with UT for FSN games against Cincinnati. Woe is rough ridin' us.
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Two things have really hurt the Big 12's perception over the last couple years: (1) Texas and OU failing to be elite programs with a shot at the Natty; and (2) Boren acting like an insecure and indecisive teenage girl. Maybe someone else could do better, but let's not forget what Bowlsby is working with here.
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I would like to be the first to welcome the Arizona schools to the Big12
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
That is a division that does not belong in a P5 conference.
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
Yeah if you like seasons where you never play a meaningful game. It's in our best interest then to quit the B12 and just move to the Sunbelt it you just want to play games against nobodies.
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
Yeah if you like seasons where you never play a meaningful game. It's in our best interest then to quit the B12 and just move to the Sunbelt it you just want to play games against nobodies.
Games would be plenty meaningful. We wouldn't play OU or UT every year, but consistently being in the Big 12 championship game would more than make up for that.
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Two things have really hurt the Big 12's perception over the last couple years: (1) Texas and OU failing to be elite programs with a shot at the Natty; and (2) Boren acting like an insecure and indecisive teenage girl. Maybe someone else could do better, but let's not forget what Bowlsby is working with here.
Exactly, minus OU not doing their part - they were in the playoff last year. But if Boren and everyone else said a year ago that the Big 12 feels as strong as ever, great at 10, etc etc then no one would think the Big 12 looks weak and vulnerable.
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
Yeah if you like seasons where you never play a meaningful game. It's in our best interest then to quit the B12 and just move to the Sunbelt it you just want to play games against nobodies.
Games would be plenty meaningful. We wouldn't play OU or UT every year, but consistently being in the Big 12 championship game would more than make up for that.
No they wouldn't, well not to anyone outside of the very small bubble of KSU fans with inferiority complexes. I mean I am sure New Mexico thinks its game against New Mexico State is meaningful and FAU thinks its game against FIU is as well, but come on. You just want to pad the schedule with hollow victories against unranked teams it would almost certainly be in our best interest to drop down to a smaller conference. Then when KSU is 11-1 (with 1 victory over a ranked team) you can sit there and moan about the unfair media overlooking poor ole KSU and feel good about yourself.
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
Yeah if you like seasons where you never play a meaningful game. It's in our best interest then to quit the B12 and just move to the Sunbelt it you just want to play games against nobodies.
Once UT and OK fly the coop and the BIG8 remnants scratch around for a home, you might just find out that schools like KSU, ISU, Baylor, or TT have no more cachet in the sports world than Cincy, Houston, or another half dozen G5 schools.
Playing meaningful games against meaningful opponents is what will cause UT and OK to get out of Dodge when the GOR expires.
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
Yeah if you like seasons where you never play a meaningful game. It's in our best interest then to quit the B12 and just move to the Sunbelt it you just want to play games against nobodies.
Games would be plenty meaningful. We wouldn't play OU or UT every year, but consistently being in the Big 12 championship game would more than make up for that.
Putting your favorite team in what's perceived to be a bad division didn't mean that team is making the championship game every year, nor does it mean they are guaranteed prestige our relevance by being the kings of said bad division. i.e. Pac 12 south, Big 10 west, SEC east, and that one shitty division in the ACC that's either the Atlantic or Coastal, so irrelevant no one knows which division it is.
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
Yeah if you like seasons where you never play a meaningful game. It's in our best interest then to quit the B12 and just move to the Sunbelt it you just want to play games against nobodies.
Once UT and OK fly the coop and the BIG8 remnants scratch around for a home, you might just find out that schools like KSU, ISU, Baylor, or TT have no more cachet in the sports world than Cincy, Houston, or another half dozen G5 schools.
Playing meaningful games against meaningful opponents is what will cause UT and OK to get out of Dodge when the GOR expires.
no crap, dummy. but adding those meaningless games does nothing to keep OU/UT around.
if the conference implodes, the BYUs, Cincinnatis and Houstons of the world will still be there for KSU and the gang.
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
Yeah if you like seasons where you never play a meaningful game. It's in our best interest then to quit the B12 and just move to the Sunbelt it you just want to play games against nobodies.
Sounds more like the Big 10 or SEC East than the Sun Belt.
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The SEC East isn't a good example since the coaches and media keep putting one or two of them in the preseason top 10 every year.
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
Yeah if you like seasons where you never play a meaningful game. It's in our best interest then to quit the B12 and just move to the Sunbelt it you just want to play games against nobodies.
Games would be plenty meaningful. We wouldn't play OU or UT every year, but consistently being in the Big 12 championship game would more than make up for that.
No they wouldn't, well not to anyone outside of the very small bubble of KSU fans with inferiority complexes. I mean I am sure New Mexico thinks its game against New Mexico State is meaningful and FAU thinks its game against FIU is as well, but come on. You just want to pad the schedule with hollow victories against unranked teams it would almost certainly be in our best interest to drop down to a smaller conference. Then when KSU is 11-1 (with 1 victory over a ranked team) you can sit there and moan about the unfair media overlooking poor ole KSU and feel good about yourself.
We'd only get 2 division wins in that division anyway.
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We are a fine mountain West/mac school
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MW >>>> mac in every way
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I didn't realize by "meaningful" he meant teams he thinks people wanted to watch on tv 20 years ago.
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The SEC East isn't a good example since the coaches and media keep putting one or two of them in the preseason top 10 every year.
meaningful games = playing 6-6 teams who started the year in the top 10.
:'bye cruel world:
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
Yeah if you like seasons where you never play a meaningful game. It's in our best interest then to quit the B12 and just move to the Sunbelt it you just want to play games against nobodies.
Once UT and OK fly the coop and the BIG8 remnants scratch around for a home, you might just find out that schools like KSU, ISU, Baylor, or TT have no more cachet in the sports world than Cincy, Houston, or another half dozen G5 schools.
Playing meaningful games against meaningful opponents is what will cause UT and OK to get out of Dodge when the GOR expires.
no crap, dummy. but adding those meaningless games does nothing to keep OU/UT around.
if the conference implodes, the BYUs, Cincinnatis and Houstons of the world will still be there for KSU and the gang.
Don't bet on it. A Big 12 without UT and OK and KU bball is no better than what Cincy and Houston have now in their conference. KSU would be a good fit in the AAC west division along with Tulsa and SMU.
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Houston and Cincy and BYU are pieces of garbage compared to K-State. I am slightly biased as I am an alumni of K-State and they have always been my favorite team but seriously those other schools are trash. I mean Houston and Cincinnati are just cities, they aren't even states. They suck.
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We are a fine mountain West/mac school
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This crap is so rough ridin' stupid. I don't get some of you rough ridin' guys.
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
Yeah if you like seasons where you never play a meaningful game. It's in our best interest then to quit the B12 and just move to the Sunbelt it you just want to play games against nobodies.
Games would be plenty meaningful. We wouldn't play OU or UT every year, but consistently being in the Big 12 championship game would more than make up for that.
No they wouldn't, well not to anyone outside of the very small bubble of KSU fans with inferiority complexes. I mean I am sure New Mexico thinks its game against New Mexico State is meaningful and FAU thinks its game against FIU is as well, but come on. You just want to pad the schedule with hollow victories against unranked teams it would almost certainly be in our best interest to drop down to a smaller conference. Then when KSU is 11-1 (with 1 victory over a ranked team) you can sit there and moan about the unfair media overlooking poor ole KSU and feel good about yourself.
Anything that improves Kstate's chances of winning a power conference is a good thing. Being in a north division, while getting paid same/more than our current contract, would have been superb for us. Comparisons to New Mexico or FIU miss the point, because they are not in a power conference. We are talking about adding two decent schools to our current set up. Yes, we would've played Ut and OU once a year rather than twice a year, but I don't really buy that simply playing them is a huge boon. Being in the same conference is a big deal, because we get paid for that. But after you have secured that, the next real jump is in winning the conference and making the playoffs. Adding Cincy and BYU would have greatly increased our chances of that happening.
And, no, I'm not saying we would win that north every year. But I think we win the conference more under that set up than we do in a ten team round robin with a championship game (even though, paradoxically, we go from being 1/10 to 1/12).
Plus--and this is not to be discounted--divisions are just fun. We would still have a chance to win our division at 1-2 this year. As it stands now, we have no shot to win the ten-team conference.
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I wonder how many Maryland fans want to go to the MAC so they can win more games. Sounds absurd, right?
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Shut up steffy
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Two things have really hurt the Big 12's perception over the last couple years: (1) Texas and OU failing to be elite programs with a shot at the Natty; and (2) Boren acting like an insecure and indecisive teenage girl. Maybe someone else could do better, but let's not forget what Bowlsby is working with here.
Quoted for truth. Boren is a tool that cannot retire soon enough.
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I wonder how many Maryland fans want to go to the MAC so they can win more games. Sounds absurd, right?
Who wants to go to the MAC? Wantinh to add BYU/Cincy equals wanting to join the MAC?? Interesting.
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I think expansion to 12 with a North of KSU, KSU, ISU, WVU, BYU, and Cincy was in K-State's best interest. Sad to see that it didn't happen.
Now, I think it is in K-State's interest for the playoff to expand to 8.
Yeah if you like seasons where you never play a meaningful game. It's in our best interest then to quit the B12 and just move to the Sunbelt it you just want to play games against nobodies.
Once UT and OK fly the coop and the BIG8 remnants scratch around for a home, you might just find out that schools like KSU, ISU, Baylor, or TT have no more cachet in the sports world than Cincy, Houston, or another half dozen G5 schools.
Playing meaningful games against meaningful opponents is what will cause UT and OK to get out of Dodge when the GOR expires.
no crap, dummy. but adding those meaningless games does nothing to keep OU/UT around.
if the conference implodes, the BYUs, Cincinnatis and Houstons of the world will still be there for KSU and the gang.
Don't bet on it. A Big 12 without UT and OK and KU bball is no better than what Cincy and Houston have now in their conference. KSU would be a good fit in the AAC west division along with Tulsa and SMU.
I would bet on it.
If doomsday occurs and UT, OU, and KU turn their back on the conference in 8 years, all the G5 schools and their fans will line up to participate in this pathetic greedy charade just like they did this time.
No reason to preemptively dilute the conference when Cincinnati and Colorado State will always be available.
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We are a fine mountain West/mac school
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This crap is so rough ridin' stupid. I don't get some of you rough ridin' guys.
Where do you think we're going to be in ten years?
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I wonder how many Maryland fans want to go to the MAC so they can win more games. Sounds absurd, right?
Who wants to go to the MAC? Wantinh to add BYU/Cincy equals wanting to join the MAC?? Interesting.
I actually agree with Steffy in this thread... Something is seriously wrong.
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I wonder how many Maryland fans want to go to the MAC so they can win more games. Sounds absurd, right?
Who wants to go to the MAC? Wantinh to add BYU/Cincy equals wanting to join the MAC?? Interesting.
I actually agree with Steffy in this thread... Something is seriously wrong.
Na, Scribe....come join the silent majority...life's less troubled over here :cool:
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We are a fine mountain West/mac school
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This crap is so rough ridin' stupid. I don't get some of you rough ridin' guys.
Where do you think we're going to be in ten years?
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MIR is one of the strongest champions of UT and OU aren't going anywhere on this board.
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agree with _33 and MIR
I don't want a home schedule slightly better than what Nebraska currently has. Playing games that mean something against tradition rich teams is important.
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agree with _33 and MIR
I don't want a home schedule slightly better than what Nebraska currently has. Playing games that mean something against tradition rich teams is important.
It's even better when you do it in December, with the whole nation watching, with a conference championship and, potentially, a trip to the playoffs on the line.
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agree with _33 and MIR
I don't want a home schedule slightly better than what Nebraska currently has. Playing games that mean something against tradition rich teams is important.
You say that, but Nebraska is in the top ten. If we only got to play one of UT and OU every year I don't think that would be enough to tarnish that top ten ranking.
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agree with _33 and MIR
I don't want a home schedule slightly better than what Nebraska currently has. Playing games that mean something against tradition rich teams is important.
You say that, but Nebraska is in the top ten. If we only got to play one of UT and OU every year I don't think that would be enough to tarnish that top ten ranking.
You only play one of them every year if you are fortunate enough to not have them both on the same rotation.
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Why wouldn't you want to play Texas and OU every year? Those of you who want to not only split divisions, but split them in a way so KSU is the super weak division are crazy to me. Don't you like playing against ranked teams?
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Why wouldn't you want to play Texas and OU every year? Those of you who want to not only split divisions, but split them in a way so KSU is the super weak division are crazy to me. Don't you like playing against ranked teams?
good players want to play against good teams too
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I honestly can't tell if these jokers are trolling or not. :frown:
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Why wouldn't you want to play Texas and OU every year? Those of you who want to not only split divisions, but split them in a way so KSU is the super weak division are crazy to me. Don't you like playing against ranked teams?
nope, just ask any real cat fan what their favorite all-time great cat games are, they'll immediately tell you all the KU blowouts and beating bottom feeder big 12 teams. heck my top 10 cat games doesn't even feature NU/OU/Texas/USC
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As bad as the old north was, at least it had Nebraska, and Colorado used to be good. Replacing those schools with WVU and Cincinnati and going back to that format would be terrible.
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Why wouldn't you want to play Texas and OU every year? Those of you who want to not only split divisions, but split them in a way so KSU is the super weak division are crazy to me. Don't you like playing against ranked teams?
good players want to play against good teams too
We could really double down on our Iowa recruiting.
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As bad as the old north was, at least it had Nebraska, and Colorado used to be good. Replacing those schools with WVU and Cincinnati and going back to that format would be terrible.
Its replacing Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri with West Virginia, BYU, and Cincinnati.
Every single one is a downgrade and further away. That division would be ratings death on TV.
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MM has got a good point. Most talked about games are the KU blowouts and stomping the crap out bottom feeders. By the way, many tears were shed when we got beat by an FCS team a few years ago.
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BYU, Houston, and CINCi are better schools than KU, Iowa State, and Texas Tech.
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Info. any new HC of KSU should know... if you want to keep your job, beat KU and Iowa State and whatever bottom feeders in the Big XII. It hurts our fans to be beat by bottom feeders. Check Baylor in 2012.
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The NewTards
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This crap is so rough ridin' stupid. I don't get some of you rough ridin' guys.
Where do you think we're going to be in ten years?
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MIR is one of the strongest champions of UT and OU aren't going anywhere on this board.
That's an oversimplification. To think we are going to be in the Mountain West takes a batshit crazy type of conspiracy. First of all no one has yet to make a compelling argument that another conference is better for UT. They are the richest, most powerful university in America and they don't even win that much. Why in God's name would they give that up?
I'm splitting this next part out because its the most important thing to remember about this stupid ass Mountain West talking point. I'm actually gong to yell it because I've said it at least half a dozen times and it just keeps getting ignored.
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A SCHOOL ENTRENCHED IN A POWER CONFERENCE THAT HAS BEEN DEMOTED, NOT ONE. Cincinnati and UCONN don't count, they were in the Big East for a 7 and 8 seasons, respectively. They only got into the Big East after they were raided by the ACC. So to think we are going to the Mountain West means that not only would we be the first school to be demoted but it means the number of schools in a power conference would be reduced. This has never happened in the modern history of college athletics.
Also it's worth noting that this ridiculous talking point is not only unique to K-State but it's something only said by about a few dozen people on this site with strong inferiority complexes. Iowa State, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State fans don't think they are getting demoted. They all think if the Big 12 dies they will end up in the Big 10, Pac 12, and SEC and they're right. If one conference expands the others will do the same, that's what history dictates. But yeah keep acting like this is inevitable, you have no precedent or even credible evidence of proving that other than "K-State sucks."
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All those schools just pimped themselves out to be told that they aren't good enough to be Iowa State.
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agree with _33 and MIR
I don't want a home schedule slightly better than what Nebraska currently has. Playing games that mean something against tradition rich teams is important.
You say that, but Nebraska is in the top ten. If we only got to play one of UT and OU every year I don't think that would be enough to tarnish that top ten ranking.
You only play one of them every year if you are fortunate enough to not have them both on the same rotation.
It depends on how they set it up. When the Big12 was originally set up they picked the what they thought would be the 2 strongest teams in each division and split them for every team on the other side. They picked UT/A&M and Neb/Colorado. Of course that only works was when you play 1/2 the other division every year.
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I am afraid OU and UT will want the Big 12 South back for the extra noncon, 13 data point and "best division in football" talking point.
I imagine the wvu, isu and Kansas schools would only give it to them in exchange for a new gor. For me that Grant of Rights would need to be at least 25 years to trade Austin and Norman for Provo & Cincinnati and that is still a shitty trade. The no new GoR comments from Austin are scary.
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West
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2 Texas, 1 Okie, and 1 Kansas team in each division, seems competitive for football, you'd have the chance for OU/UT champ game or some instate rivalry rematches in the champ game like OU/OSU or BU/TCU or K-State/KU (lol)
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West
ISU
KSU
OU
Tech
TCU
East
WVU
KU
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UT
BU
2 Texas, 1 Okie, and 1 Kansas team in each division, seems competitive for football, you'd have the chance for OU/UT champ game or some instate rivalry rematches in the champ game like OU/OSU or BU/TCU or K-State/KU (lol)
This is good
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MIR is right. We are not getting demoted. No one will be demoted. Baylor and ISU are more likely to be than us but they probably won't be either.
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MIR is right. We are not getting demoted. No one will be demoted. Baylor and ISU are more likely to be than us but they probably won't be either.
The mindset of K-State fans who think TCU, Tech, OSU, and WVU have some kind of national appeal that we don't is mystifying to me. How do you fix your head to come up with such a scenario.
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MIR is right. We are not getting demoted. No one will be demoted. Baylor and ISU are more likely to be than us but they probably won't be either.
The mindset of K-State fans who think TCU, Tech, OSU, and WVU have some kind of national appeal that we don't is mystifying to me. How do you fix your head to come up with such a scenario.
No one chicken littles like ksu fans
I think there are two general rules in realignment that are unlikely to be broken:
1. State schools breaking up. Has not happened.
2. Schools getting demoted. Has not happened.
When it all shakes out, if you had a spot, you will continue to have a spot. For nothing other than liability reasons. The reason why Baylor was threatening to sue last time was because they had a case. If a school breaks up a conference and as a product another school loses millions and millions of dollars, then there's gonna be liability. So it's in the best interest of everyone that everyone stays P5.