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I don't know whether I want him to be actually hurt (bad because Hubener plays qb) or not actually hurt (bad because he is a wussy).
Either way, I'd appreciate any inside info so that I can direct my frustration properly.
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I don't know whether I want him to be actually hurt (bad because Hubener plays qb) or not actually hurt (bad because he is a wussy).
Either way, I'd appreciate any inside info so that I can direct my frustration properly.
Ertz is Grant Gregory-y.
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I don't know whether I want him to be actually hurt (bad because Hubener plays qb) or not actually hurt (bad because he is a wussy).
Either way, I'd appreciate any inside info so that I can direct my frustration properly.
Ertz is Grant Gregory-y.
I will just point out that grant gregory played half a season with half a shoulder, and Waters did pretty much the same thing two years ago.
I am concerned that the trainers cleared him to play, but Ertz took himself out. I can't say I can ever remember a KState qb taking himself out of a game.
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You think the coaches would have had him try to throw a couple balls before he took the field to see if he was good to go before the 2nd half :facepalm:
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I don't know whether I want him to be actually hurt (bad because Hubener plays qb) or not actually hurt (bad because he is a wussy).
Either way, I'd appreciate any inside info so that I can direct my frustration properly.
Ertz is Grant Gregory-y.
I will just point out that grant gregory played half a season with half a shoulder, and Waters did pretty much the same thing two years ago.
I am concerned that the trainers cleared him to play, but Ertz took himself out. I can't say I can ever remember a KState qb taking himself out of a game.
Did you see why he took himself out? He literally couldn't throw the ball, Mahomes did the exact same thing two weeks ago. #LIFE is right, it is obvious the trainers and coaches didn't have him throw and that is absurd.
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I don't know whether I want him to be actually hurt (bad because Hubener plays qb) or not actually hurt (bad because he is a wussy).
Either way, I'd appreciate any inside info so that I can direct my frustration properly.
Ertz is Grant Gregory-y.
I will just point out that grant gregory played half a season with half a shoulder, and Waters did pretty much the same thing two years ago.
I am concerned that the trainers cleared him to play, but Ertz took himself out. I can't say I can ever remember a KState qb taking himself out of a game.
Did you see why he took himself out? He literally couldn't throw the ball, Mahomes did the exact same thing two weeks ago. #LIFE is right, it is obvious the trainers and coaches didn't have him throw and that is absurd.
I just can't believe that he wouldn't have thrown in warming up for the second half, even if the trainers didn't do that as part of the evaluation.
It's all pretty weird.
I hope he comes back like Mahomes did the following week; I thought there were legitimate signs of improvement yesterday.
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I think he probably was throwing in warm ups in a way so he could play. Then when he really had to throw on time he felt pain. I agree with MIR, he was wise to take himself out. It looks like an AC joint injury like Mahomes, so hopefully he can heal up this week.
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I think he probably was throwing in warm ups in a way so he could play. Then when he really had to throw on time he felt pain. I agree with MIR, he was wise to take himself out. It looks like an AC joint injury like Mahomes, so hopefully he can heal up this week.
I don't know anything about shoulders, but the way he got hurt was completely different than the way Mahomes got hurt
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They both involved their shoulders being driven into the turf so I don't know how much different they could have been.
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They both involved their shoulders being driven into the turf so I don't know how much different they could have been.
I thought Ertz hit his right elbow on the turf; I thought he might've broken his collarbone
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I can guarantee he will not come back and look like Mahomes
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I can guarantee he will not come back and look like Mahomes
Yeah that's a given. I wonder if our coaches would have Mahomes run 10-15 times a game.
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Somebody on Wildcatscout claiming Ertz is done for the year, according to his sources.
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Somebody on Wildcatscout claiming Ertz is done for the year, according to his sources.
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It's only a difference of going from mediocre to shitty
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At this point who the eff cares, both have shown nothing
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I wonder if they are considering pulling Thompson's redshirt. Without Cook last year, Hubener doesn't even get us to a bowl game, and that is with a three-win non conference. Knowing the offense doesn't mean crap if he can't complete a simple swing pass.
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Are you forgetting that Delton exists? They won't pull Thompson's redshirt even if it means only winning 5 games - and I'm pretty sure we're winning at least 6 even with this crap offense.
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Are you forgetting that Delton exists? They won't pull Thompson's redshirt even if it means only winning 5 games - and I'm pretty sure we're winning at least 6 even with this crap offense.
Delton can't be out Hubener. Hubener is a known commodity. I'm not sure either of them get us to a bowl. If Thompson is the guy going forward, I think you can make a decent case that the best thing for the program is to play him right now.
Things are going to get pretty gloomy if we have to go six more games of Hubener.
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Are you forgetting that Delton exists? They won't pull Thompson's redshirt even if it means only winning 5 games - and I'm pretty sure we're winning at least 6 even with this crap offense.
Delton can't be out Hubener. Hubener is a known commodity. I'm not sure either of them get us to a bowl. If Thompson is the guy going forward, I think you can make a decent case that the best thing for the program is to play him right now.
Things are going to get pretty gloomy if we have to go six more games of Hubener.
Obviously I'd like to see Thompson play but this coaching staff would never do it. I also don't know that Delton isn't better than Hubes, but our coaching staff is extremely risk averse and probably don't think he's prepared, etc
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I want Delton. Ertz should be 2nd string. #bazookajoe should be our very last optioy
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Even if ertz is hertz he should be 2nd string idgaf just don't let #bazookajoe play
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If Ertz is out for the year I would be devastated for him. I'd rather he lose his job due to being ineffective than another injury.
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It would be amazing if his injury was season ending, considering he returned to action for a play on Saturday.
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It would be amazing if his injury was season ending, considering he returned to action for a play on Saturday.
I don't think it's a season ending injury but you do realize that when he tore his acl he ran another play then attempted to take himself out?
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It would be amazing if his injury was season ending, considering he returned to action for a play on Saturday.
I don't think it's a season ending injury but you do realize that when he tore his acl he ran another play then attempted to take himself out?
MIR is right. Just because he ran another play is not determinative. He did that last year, then missed the rest of the season.
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He had all of halftime for the medical staff to clear him to run another play in this case. If he has a season ending injury, then our entire medical staff needs replaced.
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Are shoulders as tricky as knees?
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He had all of halftime for the medical staff to clear him to run another play in this case. If he has a season ending injury, then our entire medical staff needs replaced.
GG played with almost none of his rotator intact, allegedly. :dunno:
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I mean we are 3-3 why not just give up on Ertz and let Delton go wild. Ertz is waaayy too injury prone to be the QB for the cats
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We are 3-3 after playing two of the top three teams in the Big 12 this year. Now if we lose to UT then yes, start thinking about next season.
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Safe to say that unless this is some sort of oddity injury like what happened to Henry Rowengartner Ertz will not magically be a better passer after a shoulder injury. Call me crazy though!
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We are 3-3 after playing two of the top three teams in the Big 12 this year. Now if we lose to UT then yes, start thinking about next season.
That is the definition of "time to start thinking about next season."
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Safe to say that unless this is some sort of oddity injury like what happened to Henry Rowengartner Ertz will not magically be a better passer after a shoulder injury. Call me crazy though!
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.soundtrackcollector.com%2Fcd%2Flarge%2FRookie_of_year_03061047.jpg&hash=13620679450689745f44e1e4be3b64b9569553d6) Though.
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I don't think that would help his overthrows.
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Not sure about being done for the year.
First injured it against FAU, reinjured against WVU and then again at OU. Sounds like this time the shot didn't get rid of enough of the pain to play through. It didn't sound incredibly serious though.
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Are shoulders as tricky as knees?
Can confirm.
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Not sure about being done for the year.
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/788039396310126592
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Not sure about being done for the year.
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/788039396310126592
This is great news.
If it has been an ongoing thing, it might explain (1) our reluctance to call QB runs and (2) the very tentative nature in which Ertz runs.
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I feel bad but the ertz kid can't win with me. now my brain is just telling me he's a FP.
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Shoulder issues = pass issues
Runs tentatively because easily broken.
Seems like a great idea to keep him as #1.
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Ertz doesn't run tentatively. He's the best running QB we've had since Ell. He's just terrible at everything else.
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He's the best running QB we've had since Ell.
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Best starter, anyway.
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Best starter, anyway.
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Why did Hubener come in and complete like his first 3 swing passes / passes in the flat when he replaced Ertz? What happened after that? He also ran decently.
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Best starter, anyway.
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I think he meant fastest, not best. Also I have no damn idea where this talk of running reluctance to use the QB run game and Ertz running tentatively is coming from. I mean this was in issue in the non-con but the 2.5 games of conference play has seen him rush 29 times for 148 yards and 3 touchdowns. What the hell about that is reluctant and tentative?
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Best starter, anyway.
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I think he meant fastest, not best. Also I have no damn idea where this talk of running reluctance to use the QB run game and Ertz running tentatively is coming from. I mean this was in issue in the non-con but the 2.5 games of conference play has seen him rush 29 times for 148 yards and 3 touchdowns. What the hell about that is reluctant and tentative?
He's a better runner than Klein. He's just not tough enough to take as many carries as Klein did.
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Best starter, anyway.
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I think he meant fastest, not best. Also I have no damn idea where this talk of running reluctance to use the QB run game and Ertz running tentatively is coming from. I mean this was in issue in the non-con but the 2.5 games of conference play has seen him rush 29 times for 148 yards and 3 touchdowns. What the hell about that is reluctant and tentative?
He's a better runner than Klein. He's just not tough enough to take as many carries as Klein did.
Ertz has been a less effective runner than Klein, Sams, and Waters. He is better than Hubener, but I think Hubener runs the read option better.
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Best starter, anyway.
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I think he meant fastest, not best. Also I have no damn idea where this talk of running reluctance to use the QB run game and Ertz running tentatively is coming from. I mean this was in issue in the non-con but the 2.5 games of conference play has seen him rush 29 times for 148 yards and 3 touchdowns. What the hell about that is reluctant and tentative?
He's a better runner than Klein. He's just not tough enough to take as many carries as Klein did.
Ertz has been a less effective runner than Klein, Sams, and Waters. He is better than Hubener, but I think Hubener runs the read option better.
steffy, Jake Waters averaged 2.6 yards per rush his first year as starter, Christ man. Please start using this http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/ because clearly you have a mumped up memory.
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Waters was very bad in the designed QB run game. I'll bet most of his rushing yards came from scrambles.
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Waters was very bad in the designed QB run game. I'll bet most of his rushing yards came from scrambles.
I could of sworn ppl called him the fainting goat when it was time for him to run in his first season.
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Not sure about being done for the year.
First injured it against FAU, reinjured against WVU and then again at OU. Sounds like this time the shot didn't get rid of enough of the pain to play through. It didn't sound incredibly serious though.
They'll kept him numbed up and play him as long as his shoulder will hold out. #another QBinjuriedforlife
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Waters was very bad in the designed QB run game. I'll bet most of his rushing yards came from scrambles.
OK, the stats suggest Ertz is a better runner than Waters. I will concede I was wrong on that one.
That said, I hope that Ertz progresses enough that he can:
1. lead us down the field running the ball for a winning TD (ISU 2014) and
2. takes a big hit but gets right back up and plays through pain (OU 2014).
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ertz is a fine runner, though his decision making on the read option leaves a lot to be desired.
The problem is that on his best days, we've only gotten about 80 yards with his legs. That is not enough to make up for his lack of passing production.
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Best starter, anyway.
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I think he meant fastest, not best. Also I have no damn idea where this talk of running reluctance to use the QB run game and Ertz running tentatively is coming from. I mean this was in issue in the non-con but the 2.5 games of conference play has seen him rush 29 times for 148 yards and 3 touchdowns. What the hell about that is reluctant and tentative?
He's a better runner than Klein. He's just not tough enough to take as many carries as Klein did.
Ertz has been a less effective runner than Klein, Sams, and Waters. He is better than Hubener, but I think Hubener runs the read option better.
Steffy is right that Hubes runs the read option better. Ertz is rough ridin' terrible at the read option. Mis-read it all 3x vs OU.
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he made the right read once or twice against OU IIRC
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he made the right read once or twice against OU IIRC
could be, dlew. i saw 3 bad reads, but i was in and out at various pts due to apathy.