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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: bshea85 on July 16, 2016, 06:49:29 PM
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Hear me out,
I've been reading a lot of trash talk on CSU on this site and how they're not deserving of a slot in a P5 conference. If the rolls were reversed, would we deserve a spot in a P5 conference? It's not like we ran the gamut for a number of years and were asked into a P5 conference (Let's not forget, we didn't even know how to spell W-I-N until Snyder came along.) Comparatively, our schools are very similar, except we have the fortune of "sneaking" into a P5 conference unknowingly all the way back in 1913 when we joined the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association (MVIAA) --> Big Eight --> Big XII. I think with the success and growth of the CSU campus and football program nowadays, I'd be proud to welcome them into the BigXII. Hell, if the Big XII had broken up a couple of years ago, we would've been very welcome in the Mountain West. Seriously, before TCU left that conference, the MWC was in serious talks for an automatic BCS bowl berth.
Road trips out to Colorado are always fun and I haven't been back there to watch football since CU left the conference (I'm still miffed at that). If I can't get CU, I'll go and take their more Aggie relative, CSU, any day.
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Great post bshea. Some other thoughts.
Manhattan to KC = 120 miles
Fort Collins to Denver = 60 miles
Fact: Denver has more alumni from CSU than CU. Half of CU's students are rich kids from out of state that go back wherever they're from. CSU's student body is made up of about 75% Coloradoans.
KC metro Population = 2.1 million
Denver metro Population = 2.7 million
Kansas Population = 2.9 million (2 P5 schools)
Colorado Population = 5.4 million (1 P5 school)
Kansas Population Growth last 5 years = 58,000
Colorado Population Growth last 5 years = 427,000
Kansas State University = 24,000 students
Colorado State University = 32,000 students
Our new $240 million football stadium will have a capacity of 41,000 and is easily expandable to the mid-50s.
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Time to measure endowments.
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OF COURSE WE DON'T
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Time to measure endowments.
We can also look at academic rankings. I can see how my post might've been interpreted, but my intention was only to show that if Kansas can support two P5 programs, then Colorado certainly can as well. I do think CSU and KSU being in the same athletic conference would be mutually beneficial.
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Is there a cliff notes edition of TT
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What's the tv sitch in Colorado? Can you bring anything to the the table network wise?
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Colorado is a very boring and ugly state.
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What's the tv sitch in Colorado? Can you bring anything to the the table network wise?
Here are some quotes I pulled from the CSU message board awhile back. I'm not sure I completely understand the first one, but maybe you do; "With cable or satellite subscriptions compared to other states something like 45%. pretty good but also a lot of potential to grow and create unrealized revenue."
and another:
"But what I understand is that the viewership of CSU games in the Denver market is much less important to the Big 12 than whether than can get the new Big 12 network (that they hope to establish) into the cable packages in the Denver area. If CSU helps the Big 12 accomplish that, that's all they care about. Doesn't matter, in the end, if viewers watch CSU games or Oklahoma games or whoever on the network. The key is that they will want the Big 12 network in what is currently the #17 and fastest growing media market in the country. "
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Colorado is a very boring and ugly state.
True, but only the parts that border Kansas and Oklahoma.
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K-State: Over 40,000 Season Ticket Holders
CSU: 10,000 Season Ticket Holders
FY 2015 Cash Contributions to Athletics:
K-State: $34 million in cash and cash equivalents (stocks).
CSU: $13 million (not sure if all cash or promise to give)
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K-State: Over $200 million in new and renovated facilities over the last 4 years, only $80 million financed with bonds, the rest paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenue. Specific to K-State's football facilities: $170 million in improvements in the last 4 years and only $50 to $60 million financed with bonds, the remainder paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenues.
CSU: All $220 million dollars of the stadium was financed with bonds, to be offset by future donations and premium amenities sales.
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So at the end of the day, specific to athletics. From a financial perspective, particularly from a ticket sales and private contributions perspective. K-State blows CSU out of the water.
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So at the end of the day, specific to athletics. From a financial perspective, particularly from a ticket sales and private contributions perspective. K-State blows CSU out of the water.
:kstategrad:
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I can't imagine how bad it feels to not be a KSU CAT
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I can't imagine how bad it feels to not be a KSU CAT
:thumbs:
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10k season ticket holders? Even their own fans don't want to watch them play football :-(
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but but but I though CSU had tons of students and alum that were all about that Rams pigskin life?
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They are basically Pitt State
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Pitt state wins championships
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ZAP!
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Plus, we whipped their ass in their house with Wooley when they had Norris Cole.
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but but but I though CSU had tons of students and alum that were all about that Rams pigskin life?
They can't put down the doobie and drive the 60 miles from Denver to Ft Collins for games. :frown:
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Yes till the end of time. or until the pac ten wants us.
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but but but I though CSU had tons of students and alum that were all about that Rams pigskin life?
They can't put down the doobie and drive the 60 miles from Denver to Ft Collins for games. :frown:
Can you blame them? Who the hell wants to risk their lives on the gauntlet that is I25 just to watch some 2nd rate athletic event?
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Our new $240 million football stadium will have a capacity of 41,000 and is easily expandable to the mid-50s.
Unfortunately this is incorrect. It'll be a nice stadium though (because it was designed by KStaters :gocho:).
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Our new $240 million football stadium will have a capacity of 41,000 and is easily expandable to the mid-50s.
Unfortunately this is incorrect. It'll be a nice stadium though (because it was designed by KStaters :gocho:).
Actually it is and, yes, it will be a nice stadium that will be serving good beer on the "Pitkin Porch." When we're conference mates in a couple years, you'll see.
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K-State: Over 40,000 Season Ticket Holders
CSU: 10,000 Season Ticket Holders
FY 2015 Cash Contributions to Athletics:
K-State: $34 million in cash and cash equivalents (stocks).
CSU: $13 million (not sure if all cash or promise to give)
CSU doesn't inflate their season ticket holder numbers by including the students. Nice try though.
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Even if you subtract students that's still over 32,000 to 10,000.
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Also CSU lets their students in for free. :lol: such crap athletics students wouldn't spend a dime to go to the games.
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I look forward to drinking the good beers, RamSack. :Cheers:
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Our new $240 million football stadium will have a capacity of 41,000 and is easily expandable to the mid-50s.
Can you elaborate on the ease of the expansion? Is it like a table that pulls apart in the middle and you just slide in a section of stands that holds 5000 people? Can a couple of groundskeepers or stadium personell convert it in about 30 minutes, of which 20 of those minutes are spent trying to find the extra expansion stands under the stairs or in the basement?
Or, is it more like those fold out stands that they have in high school gyms, or just a tarp of 10,000 fans sitting in the stands that they can string up from the light standards?
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Also CSU lets their students in for free. :lol: such crap athletics students wouldn't spend a dime to go to the games.
This is not true either. Each student pays an athletic fee regardless of whether they attend games or not. This covers admission costs to home games for all sports.
The lone exception is neutral site games such as the KSU/CSU BB game at the Pepsi Center and the CU/CSU FB game at Mile High. Students pay to attend those games.
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Our new $240 million football stadium will have a capacity of 41,000 and is easily expandable to the mid-50s.
Can you elaborate on the ease of the expansion? Is it like a table that pulls apart in the middle and you just slide in a section of stands that holds 5000 people? Can a couple of groundskeepers or stadium personell convert it in about 30 minutes, of which 20 of those minutes are spent trying to find the extra expansion stands under the stairs or in the basement?
Or, is it more like those fold out stands that they have in high school gyms, or just a tarp of 10,000 fans sitting in the stands that they can string up from the light standards?
The plans for expansion have not been made public, but CSU officials have said the new stadium was designed to be easily expandable. What I've been told by someone closer to the sources than I is that the south bowl will be completely closed off and that there is room to add another deck on the east side.
There is a ton of room on the north side and the north bowl could be closed off if they put a curve in the road (like Florida did for their stadium), but I know they like how the stadium opens up to the heart of the campus. So, I'm not sure of whether closing the north side off is on the table should expansion happen.
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[youtube]https://youtu.be/wgE9Sap11FM[/youtube]
If they can get Bradlee Van Pelt back, I'd help roll the carpet out to them right now
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I look forward to drinking the good beers, RamSack. :Cheers:
I'm looking forward to tailgating with some K-State fans. Like I said in another post, my roots are in Kansas. Cool people are welcome to stop by and have a beer at my tailgate.
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[youtube]https://youtu.be/wgE9Sap11FM[/youtube]
If they can get Bradlee Van Pelt back, I'd help roll the carpet out to them right now
Nothing pisses off CU fans more than that! They still talk about how classless BVP was and I love it!
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Our new $240 million football stadium will have a capacity of 41,000 and is easily expandable to the mid-50s.
Unfortunately this is incorrect. It'll be a nice stadium though (because it was designed by KStaters :gocho:).
Actually it is and, yes, it will be a nice stadium that will be serving good beer on the "Pitkin Porch." When we're conference mates in a couple years, you'll see.
Meh, ok you must know more than me then :dunno: We're topping out this Tuesday, maybe I'll see you at the ceremony :thumbs:
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K-State: Over $200 million in new and renovated facilities over the last 4 years, only $80 million financed with bonds, the rest paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenue. Specific to K-State's football facilities: $170 million in improvements in the last 4 years and only $50 to $60 million financed with bonds, the remainder paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenues.
CSU: All $220 million dollars of the stadium was financed with bonds, to be offset by future donations and premium amenities sales.
CSU raised $86 million so far towards the new $220 million stadium.
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2016/08/05/new-csu-stadium-solid-financial-ground-5-7-years/88297162/
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K-State: Over $200 million in new and renovated facilities over the last 4 years, only $80 million financed with bonds, the rest paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenue. Specific to K-State's football facilities: $170 million in improvements in the last 4 years and only $50 to $60 million financed with bonds, the remainder paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenues.
CSU: All $220 million dollars of the stadium was financed with bonds, to be offset by future donations and premium amenities sales.
CSU raised $86 million so far towards the new $220 million stadium.
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2016/08/05/new-csu-stadium-solid-financial-ground-5-7-years/88297162/
That's great, but that money is just going to cover the debt payments for 5-7 years. CSU athletics has nearly 3x the debt load of K-State athletics and about half the operating revenue.
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K-State: Over $200 million in new and renovated facilities over the last 4 years, only $80 million financed with bonds, the rest paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenue. Specific to K-State's football facilities: $170 million in improvements in the last 4 years and only $50 to $60 million financed with bonds, the remainder paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenues.
CSU: All $220 million dollars of the stadium was financed with bonds, to be offset by future donations and premium amenities sales.
CSU raised $86 million so far towards the new $220 million stadium.
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2016/08/05/new-csu-stadium-solid-financial-ground-5-7-years/88297162/
That's great, but that money is just going to cover the debt payments for 5-7 years. CSU athletics has nearly 3x the debt load of K-State athletics and about half the operating revenue.
Yeah but give credit where credit is due. At least they didn't leverage the local Boys and Girls club and county parks and rec to build their facilities.
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K-State: Over $200 million in new and renovated facilities over the last 4 years, only $80 million financed with bonds, the rest paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenue. Specific to K-State's football facilities: $170 million in improvements in the last 4 years and only $50 to $60 million financed with bonds, the remainder paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenues.
CSU: All $220 million dollars of the stadium was financed with bonds, to be offset by future donations and premium amenities sales.
CSU raised $86 million so far towards the new $220 million stadium.
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2016/08/05/new-csu-stadium-solid-financial-ground-5-7-years/88297162/
That's great, but that money is just going to cover the debt payments for 5-7 years. CSU athletics has nearly 3x the debt load of K-State athletics and about half the operating revenue.
Yeah but give credit where credit is due. At least they didn't leverage the local Boys and Girls club and county parks and rec to build their facilities.
This is true.