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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: kso_FAN on March 06, 2016, 12:55:42 PM
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DJamer should have been HM, but he probably didn't get enough minutes to build his stats.
Wes 3rd team is probably about right.
Dean and Barry all FR is about right, though it will be touted by many as hope for the future.
Few awards = bad team.
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AWARD RECIPIENT
Player of the Year Buddy Hield, Oklahoma
Coach of the Year Tubby Smith, Texas Tech
Defensive Player of the Year Prince Ibeh, Texas
Sixth man Award Jaysean Paige, West Virginia**
Newcomer of the Year Deonte Burton, Iowa State**
Freshman of the Year Jawun Evans, Oklahoma State
** - Unanimous Selection
ALL-BIG 12 FIRST TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Taurean Prince, Baylor F 6-7 215 Sr. San Antonio, Texas/Earl Warren
Georges Niang, Iowa State** F 6-8 230 Sr. Methuen, Mass./The Tilton School
Perry Ellis, Kansas** F 6-8 225 Sr. Wichita, Kan./Wichita Heights
Buddy Hield, Oklahoma** G 6-4 214 Sr. Freeport, Bahamas/Sunrise Christian Academy [Kan.]
Isaiah Taylor, Texas G 6-3 185 Jr. South Hayward, Calif./The Village School [Texas]
ALL-BIG 12 SECOND TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Monté Morris, Iowa State G 6-3 175 Jr. Flint, Mich./Beecher
Frank Mason III, Kansas G 5-11 185 Jr. Petersburg, Va./Massanutten Military Academy
Wayne Selden Jr., Kansas G 6-5 230 Jr. Roxbury, Mass./Tilton School [N.H.]
Jaysean Paige, West Virginia G 6-2 200 Sr. Jamestown, N.Y./Perry County Central/Moberly Area CC
Devin Williams, West Virginia F 6-9 255 Jr. Cincinnati, Ohio/Montverde Academy
ALL-BIG 12 THIRD TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Rico Gathers, Baylor F 6-8 275 Sr. LaPlace, La./Riverside Academy
Johnathan Motley, Baylor F 6-9 230 So. Houston, Texas/North Shore
Westicles, Kansas State F 6-7 210 Jr. Houston, Texas/Westfield
Isaiah Cousins, Oklahoma G 6-4 200 Sr. Mount Vernon, N.Y./Mount Vernon
Ryan Spangler, Oklahoma F 6-8 234 Sr. Bridge Creek, Okla./Gonzaga University
ALL-BIG 12 HONORABLE MENTION (Listed alphabetically by school)
Lester Medford (Baylor), Jameel McKay (Iowa State), Abdel Nader (Iowa State), Matt Thomas (Iowa State), Devonte' Graham (Kansas), Landen Lucas (Kansas), Jordan Woodard (Oklahoma), Jawun Evans (Oklahoma State), Jeff Newberry (Oklahoma State), Javan Felix (Texas), Toddrick Gotcher (Texas Tech), Aaron Ross (Texas Tech), Zach Smith (Texas Tech)
BIG 12 ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Devonte' Graham, Kansas G 6-2 175 So. Raleigh, N.C./Brewster Academy [N.H.]
Frank Mason III, Kansas G 5-11 185 Jr. Petersburg, Va./Massanutten Military Academy
Westicles, Kansas State F 6-7 210 Jr. Houston, Texas/Westfield
Khadeem Lattin, Oklahoma F 6-9 208 So. Houston, Texas/Redemption Christian Home School Academy
Prince Ibeh, Texas** C 6-11 265 Sr. Garland, Texas/Naaman Forest
Jevon Carter, West Virginia G 6-2 185 So. Maywood, Ill./Proviso East
BIG 12 ALL-NEWCOMER TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Deonte Burton, Iowa State** G 6-4 250 Jr. Milwaukee, Wis./Marquette/Vincent
The Flush, Kansas State G 6-3 195 Fr. St. Petersburg, Fla./Gibbs
Claws, Kansas State F 6-10 225 Fr. St. John, Kan./St. John
Jawun Evans, Oklahoma State G 6-0 180 Fr. Dallas, Texas/Kimball
Eric Davis Jr., Texas G 6-2 185 Fr. Saginaw, Mich./Saginaw Arthur Hill
Kerwin Roach Jr., Texas G 6-4 170 Fr. Houston, Texas/North Shore
** - Unanimous Selection
Ties in the voting created additional spots on the All-Defensive and All-Newcomer Teams
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Tubby as COB is absurd
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Tubby as COB is absurd
Why? They were projected last in the B12, finishing at .500 in conference is impressive.
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6 game improvement and 132 spots in kenpom....
But I would've given it to Huggs.
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I'd give it to Self
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You all are crazy, it belongs to Shaka Smart
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You all are crazy, it belongs to Shaka Smart
Shaka took a team ranked 25 in kenpom that returned roughly 50% of it minutes and finished 28 (so far). That is just under status quo.
Tech Jump is unreal. But then you are celebrating a slightly greater than bubble quality team who's best two scorers are seniors. I think it is peak year for them. Although they won't completely crash next year.
Huggins probably made the biggest meaningful jump.
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Dean and Barry all FR is about right, though it will be touted by many as hope for the future.
It should be, Dean and Barry aren't the problem.
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2015-16 Big 12 Men's Basketball Preseason Poll
Team (First-place votes) Points
1. Kansas (9)* 81
2. Oklahoma 70
3. Iowa State (1) 68
4. Texas 51
5. Baylor 49
6. West Virginia 47
7. Oklahoma State 33
8. Kansas State 18
TCU 18
10. Texas Tech
Big 12 W-L
#1 Kansas 15-3
#10 West Virginia 13-5
#6 Oklahoma 12-6
#23 Texas 11-7
#21 Iowa State 10-8
#19 Baylor 10-8
Texas Tech 9-9
Kansas State 5-13
Oklahoma State 3-15
TCU 2-16
There are different ways to look at it I suppose. Self maintaining a program that consistently wins titles is noteworthy. But I tend to look at who has done the best based on their projections, and Huggs and Tubby both had really good years.
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Self just won KU their 12th straight title. How many COY awards does he have? 4.
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Self just won KU their 12th straight title. How many COY awards does he have? 4.
Pretty amazing what ku's done despite being saddled with Seff.
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Do.they.give out.Razzy awards like.for.the movies. That would be interesting.
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Self should win it every year they don't share the title
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Self should win it every year they don't share the title
Why should just meeting expectations be rewarded? He's exceeded them exactly one year because of a lucky shot
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I mean I get the Self should be coy every year, but what Tubby has done is pretty incredible. Good for turtle
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Self should win it every year they don't share the title
Why should just meeting expectations be rewarded? He's exceeded them exactly one year because of a lucky shot
If they're expected to win the conference every single year and they do it I think you just answered your own question.
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Self should win it every year they don't share the title
Why should just meeting expectations be rewarded? He's exceeded them exactly one year because of a lucky shot
If they're expected to win the conference every single year and they do it I think you just answered your own question.
Umm How? Regardless of expectations, that award should be based on progress.
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The argument of unexpected improvement vs maintaining really high levels of success comes up often in COY debates. I'm not sure either answer is wrong or right.
In this year's Big 12 I would pick 1. Huggs 2. Tubby 3. Self.
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Self should win it every year they don't share the title
Why should just meeting expectations be rewarded? He's exceeded them exactly one year because of a lucky shot
If they're expected to win the conference every single year and they do it I think you just answered your own question.
Umm How? Regardless of expectations, that award should be based on progress.
How do you progress more than winning the conference every year?
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So every year the conference champion coach should win COY? That seems to be the implication.
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Self should win it every year they don't share the title
Why should just meeting expectations be rewarded? He's exceeded them exactly one year because of a lucky shot
If they're expected to win the conference every single year and they do it I think you just answered your own question.
Umm How? Regardless of expectations, that award should be based on progress.
How do you progress more than winning the conference every year?
What I originally said, which you obviously didn't read. He exceeded one year, and it was because of a coaches son who made a shot. Disregarding that fact is disingenuous
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The argument of unexpected improvement vs maintaining really high levels of success comes up often in COY debates. I'm not sure either answer is wrong or right.
In this year's Big 12 I would pick 1. Huggs 2. Tubby 3. Self.
Right, but what he's done isn't simply meeting some basic expectation.
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Self should win it every year they don't share the title
Why should just meeting expectations be rewarded? He's exceeded them exactly one year because of a lucky shot
If they're expected to win the conference every single year and they do it I think you just answered your own question.
Umm How? Regardless of expectations, that award should be based on progress.
How do you progress more than winning the conference every year?
What I originally said, which you obviously didn't read. He exceeded one year, and it was because of a coaches son who made a shot. Disregarding that fact is disingenuous
I disregarded it because you're talking about post season and we're talking about the conference coach of the year. I hired that you would have realized your dumb ass mistake. The conference COY is awarded before the post season starts.
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So every year the conference champion coach should win COY? That seems to be the implication.
In most years that makes more sense than some guy who did better than the media thought he would do and usually runs an inferior program to the coach that won the conference.
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Part of the implication is that its harder to win at Tech than it is at KU.
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I'd vote Tubby mainly because it makes oscar look worse.
In the end, who rough ridin' cares, other than making oscar look worse?
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Part of the implication is that its harder to win at Tech than it is at KU.
Well that's a poor implication, either way I don't know what that has to do with Bill Self getting the best players for his system and winning with them every damn year. As shitty as Lubbock is you think its much easier to get players Ames, Lawrence, Manhattan, Morgantown, Stillwater, Waco, and Norman?
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The strength of the league top to bottom made winning the conference more impressive than a typical year. KU dealt with two other kenpom top 10 teams and three more in the top thirty and still won by two games while playing a true round robin. It's pretty ridiculous.
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The strength of the league top to bottom made winning the conference more impressive than a typical year. KU dealt with two other kenpom top 10 teams and three more in the top thirty and still won by two games while playing a true round robin. It's pretty ridiculous.
This was there most impressive year. Back to number 2 in kenpom after two disappointing years.
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2010 was pretty ridiculous but no true round robin.
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Part of the implication is that its harder to win at Tech than it is at KU.
Well that's a poor implication, either way I don't know what that has to do with Bill Self getting the best players for his system and winning with them every damn year. As shitty as Lubbock is you think its much easier to get players Ames, Lawrence, Manhattan, Morgantown, Stillwater, Waco, and Norman?
I would've voted for Self, but IMO Tech is the worst place to recruit to when you factor in location, basketball history, brand recognition, and in state competition.
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What Tubby did is even more impressive when you consider that they started Big 12 play 2-6.
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there's nothing impressive about finishing in 7th place in a top heavy b12
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or maybe the b12 is better described as bottom heavy.
where tech finished says more about k-state and osu than it does about texas tech.
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Celebrating Tuby just increase the likely hood of celebrating oscar next year. Should know better.
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The Cats will be preseason #7 I suspect
Teams ahead: KU, Texas, OU, ISU, WVU, BAY
Teams behind: Tech, TCU, OSU
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The Cats will be preseason #7 I suspect
Teams ahead: KU, Texas, OU, ISU, WVU, BAY
Teams behind: Tech, TCU, OSU
I bet we'll be predicted to finish 8th again. OSU has the best underclassmen PG in the league, and they are bringing in a very solid recruiting class. Not to mention, I'm assuming they get Phil Forte back for another year. They should actually be pretty salty next year.
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Part of the implication is that its harder to win at Tech than it is at KU.
Well that's a poor implication, either way I don't know what that has to do with Bill Self getting the best players for his system and winning with them every damn year. As shitty as Lubbock is you think its much easier to get players Ames, Lawrence, Manhattan, Morgantown, Stillwater, Waco, and Norman?
I would've voted for Self, but IMO Tech is the worst place to recruit to when you factor in location, basketball history, brand recognition, and in state competition.
None of that stuff matters if you have the right coach. Basketball history and in state competition doesn't matter at all. College basketball players will literally go anywhere to play for the coach they want. Bill Walker would have followed Huggins to Weber State if he had to, Beasley was going to follow 'Te to Charlotte.
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The Cats will be preseason #7 I suspect
Teams ahead: KU, Texas, OU, ISU, WVU, BAY
Teams behind: Tech, TCU, OSU
I bet we'll be predicted to finish 8th again. OSU has the best underclassmen PG in the league, and they are bringing in a very solid recruiting class. Not to mention, I'm assuming they get Phil Forte back for another year. They should actually be pretty salty next year.
Tech will be picked ahead of us, I know we were the youngest team in the history of American sports but they're returning more minutes and scoring than we are.
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how many conference games is ku an underdog in?
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The Cats will be preseason #7 I suspect
Teams ahead: KU, Texas, OU, ISU, WVU, BAY
Teams behind: Tech, TCU, OSU
I bet we'll be predicted to finish 8th again. OSU has the best underclassmen PG in the league, and they are bringing in a very solid recruiting class. Not to mention, I'm assuming they get Phil Forte back for another year. They should actually be pretty salty next year.
Tech will be picked ahead of us, I know we were the youngest team in the history of American sports but they're returning more minutes and scoring than we are.
amazing!
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The conference as a whole is going to take a big step back next year. 13 of the 28 players who received all conference recognition were seniors.
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The conference as a whole is going to take a big step back next year. 13 of the 28 players who received all conference recognition were seniors.
FWIW, Big 12 recruiting classes this year kinda of suck ass.
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The Cats will be preseason #7 I suspect
Teams ahead: KU, Texas, OU, ISU, WVU, BAY
Teams behind: Tech, TCU, OSU
I bet we'll be predicted to finish 8th again. OSU has the best underclassmen PG in the league, and they are bringing in a very solid recruiting class. Not to mention, I'm assuming they get Phil Forte back for another year. They should actually be pretty salty next year.
Tech will be picked ahead of us, I know we were the youngest team in the history of American sports but they're returning more minutes and scoring than we are.
amazing!
We actually return slightly more of both, but its pretty much a wash.
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Media:
FIRST TEAM:
Perry Ellis, Kansas, Sr., 6-8, 225, Wichita, Kansas.
Buddy Hield, Oklahoma, Sr., 6-4, 214, Freeport, Bahamas.
Monte Morris, Iowa St., Jr., 6-3, 175, Flint, Michigan.
Georges Niang, Iowa St., Sr., 6-8, 230, Methuen, Massachusetts.
Isaiah Taylor, Texas, Jr., 6-3, 185, South Hayward, California.
SECOND TEAM*:
Rico Gathers, Baylor, Sr., 6-8, 275, LaPlace, Louisiana.
Frank Mason III, Kansas, Jr., 5-11, 185, Petersburg, Virginia.
Jaysean Paige, West Virginia, Sr., 6-2, 210, Jamestown, New York.
Taurean Prince, Baylor, Sr., 6-8, 220, San Antonio.
Ryan Spangler, Oklahoma, Sr., 6-8, 234, Bridge Creek, Oklahoma.
Devin Williams, West Virginia, Jr., 6-9, 255, Cincinnati.
*Six players due to a tie for the final spot.
HONARABLE MENTION: Isaiah Cousins, Oklahoma; Devonte' Graham, Kansas; Lester Medford, Baylor; Aaron Ross, Texas Tech; Wayne Selden, Kansas; Jordan Woodard, Oklahoma.
COACH OF THE YEAR: Bill Self, Kansas.
PLAYER OF THE YEAR: Buddy Hield, Oklahoma.
NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR: Deonte Burton, Iowa St.
Voters: Tommy Birch, Des Moines Register; Jimmy Burch, Fort Worth Star-Telegram; Chuck Carlton, Dallas Morning News; Mark Cooper, Tulsa World; Brian Davis, Austin American-Statesman; Guerin Emig, Tulsa World; Tim Griffin, San Antonio Express-News; Kevin Haskin, Topeka Capital-Journal; John Helsley, The Oklahoman; Justin Jackson, The Dominion Post; Tom Keegan, Lawrence Journal-World; Kevin Lyttle, Austin American-Statesman; Carlos Mendez, Fort Worth Star-Telegram; Randy Peterson, Des Moines Register; Soren Petro, Sports Radio 810; Krista Pirtle, Lubbock Avalanche-Journal; Kellis Robinett, Wichita Eagle; John Shinn, Norman Transcript; Mitch Vingle, Charleston Gazette-Mail; John Werner, Waco Tribune-Herald.
Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/article64532102.html#storylink=cpy
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:frown:
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Part of the implication is that its harder to win at Tech than it is at KU.
Well that's a poor implication, either way I don't know what that has to do with Bill Self getting the best players for his system and winning with them every damn year. As shitty as Lubbock is you think its much easier to get players Ames, Lawrence, Manhattan, Morgantown, Stillwater, Waco, and Norman?
I would've voted for Self, but IMO Tech is the worst place to recruit to when you factor in location, basketball history, brand recognition, and in state competition.
None of that stuff matters if you have the right coach. Basketball history and in state competition doesn't matter at all. College basketball players will literally go anywhere to play for the coach they want. Bill Walker would have followed Huggins to Weber State if he had to, Beasley was going to follow 'Te to Charlotte.
that's true. Ben Simmons is at LSU etc
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https://twitter.com/KenCorbitt/status/706932038134308864
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LoL
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http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article64598332.html
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The conference as a whole is going to take a big step back next year. 13 of the 28 players who received all conference recognition were seniors.
That doesn't sound like an unusually high number, especially if you add in early entries which we'll likely have none this season.
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The Cats will be preseason #7 I suspect
Teams ahead: KU, Texas, OU, ISU, WVU, BAY
Teams behind: Tech, TCU, OSU
I bet we'll be predicted to finish 8th again. OSU has the best underclassmen PG in the league, and they are bringing in a very solid recruiting class. Not to mention, I'm assuming they get Phil Forte back for another year. They should actually be pretty salty next year.
Tech will be picked ahead of us, I know we were the youngest team in the history of American sports but they're returning more minutes and scoring than we are.
amazing!
We actually return slightly more of both, but its pretty much a wash.
Really? The minutes stat I got off of ESPN, they had it as percentage of returning minutes, the points I made an educated guess on.
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The Cats will be preseason #7 I suspect
Teams ahead: KU, Texas, OU, ISU, WVU, BAY
Teams behind: Tech, TCU, OSU
I bet we'll be predicted to finish 8th again. OSU has the best underclassmen PG in the league, and they are bringing in a very solid recruiting class. Not to mention, I'm assuming they get Phil Forte back for another year. They should actually be pretty salty next year.
Tech will be picked ahead of us, I know we were the youngest team in the history of American sports but they're returning more minutes and scoring than we are.
amazing!
We actually return slightly more of both, but its pretty much a wash.
Really? The minutes stat I got off of ESPN, they had it as percentage of returning minutes, the points I made an educated guess on.
Tech 72.7% of returning mins and K-State 75.3% of returning minutes. I remember looking at that ESPN graphic and thinking it didn't make any sense . I don't know what metric they were using to adding things. Maybe mpg :dunno: <--- doesn't count games not played.
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That makes more sense the ESPN graphic had both teams in the high 60s.
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The conference as a whole is going to take a big step back next year. 13 of the 28 players who received all conference recognition were seniors.
That doesn't sound like an unusually high number, especially if you add in early entries which we'll likely have none this season.
Last year 9 seniors made the list, and the year before that only 7. The Big 12 was a very old league this year.
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The conference as a whole is going to take a big step back next year. 13 of the 28 players who received all conference recognition were seniors.
That doesn't sound like an unusually high number, especially if you add in early entries which we'll likely have none this season.
Last year 9 seniors made the list, and the year before that only 7. The Big 12 was a very old league this year.
If Morris, Taylor declared the big 12 should take a pretty good step back. If not I think it can stay a top 3 league.
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The conference as a whole is going to take a big step back next year. 13 of the 28 players who received all conference recognition were seniors.
That doesn't sound like an unusually high number, especially if you add in early entries which we'll likely have none this season.
Last year 9 seniors made the list, and the year before that only 7. The Big 12 was a very old league this year.
If Morris, Taylor declared the big 12 should take a pretty good step back. If not I think it can stay a top 3 league.
It will stay a top league because of the coaches.