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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 04:39:46 PM
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CNN affiliate is up to 60 killed.
Between 60-100 hostages at the Bataclan Concert Hall/ Theater
Hollande was at the football stadium when attack occurred near it
Edit: Vine that had the sound of the explosion in stadium.
https://vine.co/v/iBb2x00UVlv
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Obama "about" to make a statement, so give it an hour I bet.
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Comparisons to the Mumbai attack because of the coordination of these attacks.
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Obama:
Attack on everyone, attack on universal values
prepared to provide any assistance, oldest allies, stood with us
Paris represents values of human progress
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will go after any terrorist networks that go after "our people"
in contact with french, platitudes about support, has not called Hollande yet
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Jesus just catching up to this.
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This could spur some real crap
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JESUS rough ridin' CHIRST
people with details about what is going on inside according to CNN: They are begging the police to go in, terrorists possibly killing or plan to kill hostages one by one. CNN said these people have had details that would be hard to get otherwise.
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This could spur some real crap
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with ISIS hitting Lebanon yesterday and the Egyptian airliner.....man crazy....
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I was going to suggest Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=34250.550), but this will do.
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Hollande:
Asking military to reinforce locals to ensure no other attacks
State of emergency to give power to close areas, limit travel, change arrest powers
Closing borders!
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:frown:
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Call on everyone to be responsible, don't let terror seize us with fear.
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CNN talking a lot about closing the borders. Know where the terror attack came from.
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JFC CNN is still saying they have people inside begging for the police to raid. Claims people are being murdered individually.
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French reporter saying theater was attacked and mass killings first. So it's going to get really bad.
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CNN has a reporter on who was inside theater, terrorist fired randomly on entry for 10 minutes, 3/4 reloads, no shouting/command, executing people on the floor
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I'm out for a bit, man, this is rough ridin' heavy
http://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn
https://twitter.com/AFP?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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supposedly from inside the theater
[trans.]I'm still in the Bataclan, 1st floor, gravely wounded, please assault this place as quickly as possible. There are still survivors inside, they're attacking us all, one by one 1st floor
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Reddit thread has a post with a guy who was being detained/arrest who might have been an attacker. unconfirmed of course.
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first time a national state of emergency has been declared in France since 1945.
some reports the police went in the Bataclan.
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AFP is saying 7 attack locations.
Also confirming police went it.
Witness confirming attacker yelling Allah Akbar" before shooting.
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police operation over, 2 attackers killed
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live english feed from France 24
http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed
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I am recallin the sick feeling of 9/11. I am just heartsick. Nuke the nest of these animals. Let no jihad Hitler arise.
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yes, we should deploy a final solution to curb the jihad hitler
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Canal+ reporter on MSNBC: According to sources "we had information that around Christmas time, people wanted to replicate the Mumbai attacks in Paris".
AFP saying around 100 dead at concert venue.
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Thanks for updating thread ednksu
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Man :frown:
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They just said and I'm sure it will happen, but they will probably put out a prop video from this. I saw the one with the 20ish Christians on the beach and it was not good
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Also just said France closed their borders
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Also just said France closed their borders
not sure which thread I put that in. In addition they have declared a state of emergency, the first since 1945, and that results in different (more) powers of arrest/detention and the ability to close places. Also more police searches.
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Refugee camp near Calais (also IDed as a Sudanese camp) on fire.
No info on whether or not it's related.
http://twitter.com/sekielski/status/665326378322034689/photo/1
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JFC
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=674_1447461158
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Damn
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I'm debating whether to go deep web and see what's out there right now
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I'm debating whether to go deep web and see what's out there right now
Not a good idea
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take it to the... jesus. :frown:
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Politics first, smdh
Let's clean up the blood before cheering for/against our political heroes/rivals.
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mods(d) :thumbs:
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mods(d) :thumbs:
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I'm definitely joining the military now. Like 0 doubt. I'm so sick of all of this crap.
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These people apparently came into France from syria and iraq. Our wgaf boarder security has me c9ncerned
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I'm definitely joining the military now. Like 0 doubt. I'm so sick of all of this crap.
Don't do that
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I'm definitely joining the military now. Like 0 doubt. I'm so sick of all of this crap.
Don't do that
I'm already 95% there. I've wanted to for a while and I'm not getting any younger.
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I'm definitely joining the military now. Like 0 doubt. I'm so sick of all of this crap.
Don't do that
I'm already 95% there. I've wanted to for a while and I'm not getting any younger.
Yeah I just don't think it would be good for you based on what I know about you from this message board.
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Most of the people on this board need the military more than it needs them
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You know what's crazy? the 2005 KSU @ OU football game. I was there, we heard a loud KABOOOOM and then they announced that buses would only leave from one side of the stade. But it was like not even a news story. A dude had a giant bomb and tried to get in that game and blow up a bunch of people. Could've been just unbelievably grusome and horrific.
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that soccer game vine with the explosion just made me think of that is all. this is a terrible thing there.
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that soccer game vine with the explosion just made me think of that is all. this is a terrible thing there.
very terrible :frown:
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humans are capable of unthinkable wickedness. it sickens me. even with all the news we have all the time of bad things, it still shocks me and makes me sad. regardless of what you believe is the cause, we all see the wicked nature that humans have. makes me sick.
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It's a good thing isis is under control
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:lol: FSD is so butthurt about the post movement
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I'm definitely joining the military now. Like 0 doubt. I'm so sick of all of this crap.
Don't do that
I'm already 95% there. I've wanted to for a while and I'm not getting any younger.
Yeah I just don't think it would be good for you based on what I know about you from this message board.
I don't want to be old and have regrets. I want to have a great story to tell. Life's been an adventure so far and I aim to make it a full one.
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I'm definitely joining the military now. Like 0 doubt. I'm so sick of all of this crap.
Don't do that
I'm already 95% there. I've wanted to for a while and I'm not getting any younger.
Yeah I just don't think it would be good for you based on what I know about you from this message board.
I don't want to be old and have regrets. I want to have a great story to tell. Life's been an adventure so far and I aim to make it a full one.
Ptsd tho
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http://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/mizzou-protestors-are-upset-that-the-terrorist-attacks-in-paris-are-getting-more-attention-than-them/
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http://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/mizzou-protestors-are-upset-that-the-terrorist-attacks-in-paris-are-getting-more-attention-than-them/
Jfc
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I'm definitely joining the military now. Like 0 doubt. I'm so sick of all of this crap.
Don't do that
I'm already 95% there. I've wanted to for a while and I'm not getting any younger.
Yeah I just don't think it would be good for you based on what I know about you from this message board.
I don't want to be old and have regrets. I want to have a great story to tell. Life's been an adventure so far and I aim to make it a full one.
Part of me wishes I had served, but I'm not sure I can square myself with killing. But I having known many people from the modern military it can be a great experience. Service to our/your country at a time like this is honorable.
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These people apparently came into to France from syria and iraq. Our wgaf boarder security has me c9ncerned
FIFY since it's mostly likely like the Charlie Hebdo attacks, your ignorance is showing
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I'm definitely joining the military now. Like 0 doubt. I'm so sick of all of this crap.
Don't do that
I'm already 95% there. I've wanted to for a while and I'm not getting any younger.
Yeah I just don't think it would be good for you based on what I know about you from this message board.
I don't want to be old and have regrets. I want to have a great story to tell. Life's been an adventure so far and I aim to make it a full one.
Those are bad reasons for joining the military
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some random news posts:
8 attackers killed, all but one with their suicide belts
http://bnonews.com/news/index.php/news/id2547
Iran's Rouhani condemns the attack
NYT and AFP
Hollande looking to make people pay the iron price
French President Hollande: "We are going to lead a war which will be pitiless."
Washington Post
1500 troops in Paris
French borders are not "closed" but more controls implemented
Witnesses say attackers mentioned Iraq and Syria and possibly France's military role in Syria
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good work Edn. so brutal.
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I'm definitely joining the military now. Like 0 doubt. I'm so sick of all of this crap.
Don't do that
I'm already 95% there. I've wanted to for a while and I'm not getting any younger.
Yeah I just don't think it would be good for you based on what I know about you from this message board.
I don't want to be old and have regrets. I want to have a great story to tell. Life's been an adventure so far and I aim to make it a full one.
Those are bad reasons for joining the military
It's a lot more than that. Just saying that it's one of the factors.
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Fox news calls suicide vests homicide vests
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I'm definitely joining the military now. Like 0 doubt. I'm so sick of all of this crap.
Don't do that
I'm already 95% there. I've wanted to for a while and I'm not getting any younger.
Yeah I just don't think it would be good for you based on what I know about you from this message board.
I don't want to be old and have regrets. I want to have a great story to tell. Life's been an adventure so far and I aim to make it a full one.
Part of me wishes I had served, but I'm not sure I can square myself with killing. But I having known many people from the modern military it can be a great experience. Service to our/your country at a time like this is honorable.
I think it'd be a great experience. I'll research more as decision time nears.
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This would be a great time for us to withdraw from the middle east. Russia is all stirred up with isis already and with this France attack, the rest of Europe is going to be all in, given that this attack was right in the middle of Europe and could have easily taken place in any EU country. Let Europe and Russia play this out. We pledge support through supplies and strategy. Could be a win for us in getting ourself out, and for the economy.
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Please keep your posts on topic CNS
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I mean, who cares if we end up buying oil through france? Stability is what we want.
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This would be a great time for us to withdraw from the middle east. Russia is all stirred up with isis already and with this France attack, the rest of Europe is going to be all in, given that this attack was right in the middle of Europe and could have easily taken place in any EU country. Let Europe and Russia play this out. We pledge support through supplies and strategy. Could be a win for us in getting ourself out, and for the economy.
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x2. Who the hell thought we could impose 21st century ideals on a 12th century culture?
WGAF were we buy our oil.
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These people apparently came into to France from syria and iraq. Our wgaf boarder security has me c9ncerned
FIFY since it's mostly likely like the Charlie Hebdo attacks, your ignorance is showing
You should tweet your wisdom and books at the French intelligence community. It's really not well spent in the pit. People are dying for God's sake
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Please keep your posts on topic CNS
Don't worry, the goE modtards are tirelessly dedicated to organizing and sorting topics, it's the hallmark of this blog
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FSD you mentioned Isis having a million man army earlier, wtf was that?
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FSD you mentioned Isis having a million man army earlier, wtf was that?
Hyperbole. It's a lot of bad dudes tho
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Dumbass Tom Ridge on CNN really wants us all in to war their faces off. He said that with the jet bomb, Paris attack, iraq, and syria, isis now has a bigger footprint than "AQ every dreamed of having".
This guy. I mean southeast Asia was full of AQ affiliates, Boko Hiram in africa, 9/11, a war in Afghanistan, and activity in iraq. Evidently we can't go to war fast enough.
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I didn't see it in here but maybe it was posted elsewhere, but ISIS claimed responsibility. I mean we all knew it was them but they finally claimed it
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CNN actually taking the time to ask Mike Huckabee what we should be doing. Huck wants to flood everywhere w troops and get our govt built up as big as possible in the guise of Big Security.
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Huck is explaining to this CNN dumbass how all refugees are terrorists and would hate Minnesota anyway.
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These people are here, they just don't terror attack us because America is awesome and they become Americans instead.
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I don't know. Huck was confident that you can't take "These ppl out of the desert and put them in Minnesota in the winter".
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I hate to get into an argument with Huck, but doesn't Minneapolis have the largest Somali concentration in the country?
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Pretty standard proglib argument there, mich. Nice try. Huck isn't fooled.
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A Greek official is saying there was a Syrian passport found near one of the terrorists that was registered through a Greek island at the beginning of October. Finding citation, I was in the car listening to NPR. One other terrorist is a Frenchmen.
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did anyone else know that the capital of Lebanon was attacked by isis the day before Paris was attacked?
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Do you even #prayforlebanon bro?
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did anyone else know that the capital of Lebanon was attacked by isis the day before Paris was attacked?
yes. thanks, bbc.
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This would be a great time for us to withdraw from the middle east. Russia is all stirred up with isis already and with this France attack, the rest of Europe is going to be all in, given that this attack was right in the middle of Europe and could have easily taken place in any EU country. Let Europe and Russia play this out. We pledge support through supplies and strategy. Could be a win for us in getting ourself out, and for the economy.
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I agree with this. Part of me kind of wants to see a massive offensive blow ISIS into smithereens before we do.
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So we killed one of the ISIS leaders in Libya yesterday / today sometime
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In Libya
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did anyone else know that the capital of Lebanon was attacked by isis the day before Paris was attacked?
yes, and google Adel Termos and read about a hero.
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I don't have the highest MEIQ, but if we just let Iraq decide their territorial disputes, like half of ISIS will quit after that's over. A big portion of ISIS is just there to fight for a Sunni state.
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Does the term power vacuum mean anything to you?
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I don't have the highest MEIQ, but if we just let Iraq decide their territorial disputes, like half of ISIS will quit after that's over. A big portion of ISIS is just there to fight for a Sunni state.
Not really at this point. The Sunni tribes started to push back against Daesh when Maliki was ousted and when Daesh went Sharia to the Nth degree on everyone. "Iraq" as a state doesn't have the ability to control/decide any aspect of territory at this point. They've worked with various tribes to offer more homerule and that has helped. One big thing is that Turkey would flip their crap if Iraq let a sovereign Kurd state develope in the north. It's too blended to say Kurds here, Sunnis here, Shia here. They need to work towards a better solution together.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-terror-attacks/paris-attacks-150-raids-france-goes-war-terrorism-n463971
5 arrested in Lyon, 1 rocket launcher
Earlier Bavarian police arrested a guy (51) with weapons and 2.5lbs of explosives in a VW Golf. Supposedly the attackers drove a car tagged out of Belgium. Additionally I heard there were more arrests in Belgium (I think).
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I don't have the highest MEIQ, but if we just let Iraq decide their territorial disputes, like half of ISIS will quit after that's over. A big portion of ISIS is just there to fight for a Sunni state.
Not really at this point. The Sunni tribes started to push back against Daesh when Maliki was ousted and when Daesh went Sharia to the Nth degree on everyone. "Iraq" as a state doesn't have the ability to control/decide any aspect of territory at this point. They've worked with various tribes to offer more homerule and that has helped. One big thing is that Turkey would flip their crap if Iraq let a sovereign Kurd state develope in the north. It's too blended to say Kurds here, Sunnis here, Shia here. They need to work towards a better solution together.
So one big giant Arabic state is basically the only long term solution? (Something I don't think anyone in the military or most of U.S. politics wants)
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I don't have the highest MEIQ, but if we just let Iraq decide their territorial disputes, like half of ISIS will quit after that's over. A big portion of ISIS is just there to fight for a Sunni state.
Not really at this point. The Sunni tribes started to push back against Daesh when Maliki was ousted and when Daesh went Sharia to the Nth degree on everyone. "Iraq" as a state doesn't have the ability to control/decide any aspect of territory at this point. They've worked with various tribes to offer more homerule and that has helped. One big thing is that Turkey would flip their crap if Iraq let a sovereign Kurd state develope in the north. It's too blended to say Kurds here, Sunnis here, Shia here. They need to work towards a better solution together.
So one big giant Arabic state is basically the only long term solution? (Something I don't think anyone in the military or most of U.S. politics wants)
Not advocating that at all. I think we need to recognize that the US has had great success with many of the Sunni tribes that turned away from the Iraqi government under Maliki and supported or allowed Daesh to grow in strength. If the US can get them back, like it seems now, to not supporting Daesh it's a good thing. The region is too complex to have the West draw borders again. Organic solutions need to occur. If they remain as the same state, they need to reformulate ideas on home rule like Iraq has done with Kurdish regions. The US should moderate, not enforce, these kinds of agreements.
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http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/turkey-warned-french-twice-about-attacker-official-says/
Wasn't there a similar claim about one of the Charlie Hebdo attackers?
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http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151116/1030223381/paris-attackers-alleged-bitcoin-wallet.html
One wallet, believed to be in possession of IS affiliates, had received $23 million in Bitcoin in September.
GhostSec, a hacktivist off-shoot of Anonymous, has claimed to have followed a chain of transactions and found a Bitcoin wallet containing $3 million which they say is linked to the self-proclaimed Islamic State terror group and Friday’s Paris attacks.
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Kinda begs the question, what the hell did France do to deserve this kind of attack? Weren't they in opposition of our invasion of Iraq in 2003?
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Kinda begs the question, what the hell did France do to deserve this kind of attack? Weren't they in opposition of our invasion of Iraq in 2003?
Daesh says their involvement with strikes in Syria. I also put their lingering issues with a disenfranchised muslim population and the ease of travel in EU countries for Euro citizens (not like the Charlie Hebdo attacks many of the attackers were native or from countries near france).
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Kinda begs the question, what the hell did France do to deserve this kind of attack? Weren't they in opposition of our invasion of Iraq in 2003?
Daesh says their involvement with strikes in Syria. I also put their lingering issues with a disenfranchised muslim population and the ease of travel in EU countries for Euro citizens (not like the Charlie Hebdo attacks many of the attackers were native or from countries near france).
Noob question: how are muslims disenfranchised in France?
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Kinda begs the question, what the hell did France do to deserve this kind of attack? Weren't they in opposition of our invasion of Iraq in 2003?
Daesh says their involvement with strikes in Syria. I also put their lingering issues with a disenfranchised muslim population and the ease of travel in EU countries for Euro citizens (not like the Charlie Hebdo attacks many of the attackers were native or from countries near france).
Noob question: how are muslims disenfranchised in France?
most live in very poor areas very close to very wealthy areas
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34835046 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34835046)
mastermind grew up in super poor part of Brussels
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They don't integrate. They form their own ghettos and the "indigenous" people or whatever you want to call them don't understand them or really like them.*
*Experience in Scandanavia only.
It's either that or Europe is far more racist than the US. Which absolutely could be true, I guess. Or it could be both.
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most live in very poor areas very close to very wealthy areas
the majority of people in the world live in poor areas close to wealthy areas.
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most live in very poor areas very close to very wealthy areas
the majority of people in the world live in poor areas close to wealthy areas.
Yeah. I don't think being poor necesarilly means disenfranchisement either.
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most live in very poor areas very close to very wealthy areas
the majority of people in the world live in poor areas close to wealthy areas.
idk sys
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Europeans are crazy racist, perhaps not british though not confirmed.
France is extremely secular in government which Muslims have a hard time with.
France passed a law against Muslim women covering up etc.
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ISIS doesn't like western countries accepting Syrian refugees. :dunno:
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They don't integrate. They form their own ghettos and the "indigenous" people or whatever you want to call them don't understand them or really like them.*
*Experience in Scandanavia only.
It's either that or Europe is far more racist than the US. Which absolutely could be true, I guess. Or it could be both.
they dont and arent allowed to integrate. chicken/egg, yes and yes.
even people who are multiple generation french citizens aren't treated as french (or blank European country). they are treated as foreigners. this is (or was) one of the greatest strengths of america.
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They don't integrate. They form their own ghettos and the "indigenous" people or whatever you want to call them don't understand them or really like them.*
*Experience in Scandanavia only.
It's either that or Europe is far more racist than the US. Which absolutely could be true, I guess. Or it could be both.
they dont and arent allowed to integrate. chicken/egg, yes and yes.
even people who are multiple generation french citizens aren't treated as french (or blank European country). they are treated as foreigners. this is (or was) one of the greatest strengths of america.
Okay, can we stop always looking to Europe for answers to our own problems then? I hate it when people do that. "Well in Europe they...." Hey bad person! This isn't Europe! crap's different here! [/end minirant]
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i don't think that looking for post hoc reasons for why france has had so many citizens and residents join ISIS is terribly productive. the simplest explanation is that it is because they have the largest muslim population. as a proportion of population, the % that have emigrated to join ISIS is in line with other european countries.
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yeah I'm totally fine w/ not looking to Europe for guidance on most things
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yeah I'm totally fine w/ not looking to Europe for guidance on most things
So you don't feel the Bern?
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So some good thoughts and questions on France and its relations to Muslims.
They don't integrate. They form their own ghettos and the "indigenous" people or whatever you want to call them don't understand them or really like them.*
*Experience in Scandanavia only.
It's either that or Europe is far more racist than the US. Which absolutely could be true, I guess. Or it could be both.
they dont and arent allowed to integrate. chicken/egg, yes and yes.
even people who are multiple generation french citizens aren't treated as french (or blank European country). they are treated as foreigners. this is (or was) one of the greatest strengths of america.
This isn't exactly right for France. If we recall back to the French losing Algeria, that it was a Department of France, or loosely a full state in France. It was a part of the Republic, not just a colony. It held a special place for many years and the insurgency and loss of Algeria litteral caused the French government with the 4th Republic to dissolve (obvs other issues at play too). I don't mean they had to hold new elections for parliament, but the entire federal system was reorganized under a new constitution. That reorientation caused a lot of strife and turmoil especially with how to relate to the majority Muslim/French/Algerian citizenry. That dissonance caused the split that led to the stratification of Muslims on the outside and white francos on the inside. It's at this point we see Muslims pushed into endogamous communities (and self insulation too). Now we have a scenario where we have 2 or 3 generations of Muslims who are "French" but are being disenfranchised politically and economically. That confinement and economic stagnation created a seedbed for radicalism. This piece from Brookings (http://www.brookings.edu/press/books/chapter_1/integratingislam.pdf) (page 31 of note) pegs unemployment at 25ish%, I've seen that figure listed much higher recently for Muslim males (I think even around 40%). So now we have people who don't have access to the political system because they've been gerrymandered into small villages or communities. Those communities aren't getting services, and the traditional formal and informal mechanisms to bring them into the French system (military services/government jobs/ public education where the mix with white Frenchies) are at a loss as the French state has contracted (budget big here). We can see the first issues with this flair up with the 2005 riots in France that were not in Paris (so they didn't get covered much) but instead in their own ethnic communities. Now as Cire pointed out the French state is now pushing against conservative Islamic populations with their ban on head scarves and they have pushed some heavy franco policies in education (not so much multiculturalism how to be "French", but if you aren't this way you're an exile in your own state).
Now why does this matter? We have a large population of 2 or 3 gen Muslims males with no jobs, being rejected by their various European states who are being radicalized (we've all heard the lines about these men finding a "cause"). Now they are French citizens which means they have very free access to travel in Europe which means they are going to be harder to track and pin down.
To me it's crazy to see how the legacy of colonialism. We have the French acting all over their former colonies, particularly Mali, and that directly links the issues in Libya as well since those arms didn't all go to Syria like Dax thinks, instead many became part of the weapons trade in Africa and helped to destabilize Mali and central Africa.
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I forgot about the teen riots thing
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Yes EDN, I said all French arms went to Syria. :rolleyes: You're such passive aggressive dumbass.
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Yes EDN, I said all French arms went to Syria. :rolleyes: You're such passive aggressive dumbass.
It's not passive aggressive. I'm not hiding. You're a rough ridin' idiot who is now following me around to different threads to spew more lies.
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Syrian passport was a fake
http://www.wsj.com/articles/paris-stadium-attacker-entered-europe-via-greece-1447698583
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my major professor's daughter's landlady was shot in the concert hall, apparently. small world.
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Reuters is reporting Honduras caught 5 Syrians trying to get into their country using doctored Greek passports. For the geographical morons Honduras is in central America. These bastards likely were headed to the US, to a sanctuary city, and then to the hardware store for homemade bomb supplies.
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We should ban the eff out of people trying to enter the united states from Honduras with fake greek passports