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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2015, 11:10:15 AM
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https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/665214203913891840
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I entered the Dev Nelson Press Box level of LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium on Nov. 5 at around 5:45 p.m. This was 45 minutes before K-State was scheduled to kick off their showdown with the Baylor Bears. As I surveyed the crowd, I was at a loss for words.
The phrases I heard as we commented on the lack of people in the stadium at that time sounded a little something like this:
“Don’t worry, everyone’s just running a little bit behind tonight.” Or maybe, “They’ll get here eventually, just look at the line of traffic backed up.”
Well, I figured that was probably correct. It was a Thursday night game after all. People had to put in a full day of work, or at least close to a full day, before they were allowed to take off and come to LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium. Or in the case of students, some possibly had classes that were running late into the afternoon or the evening, so they wouldn’t get there very early.
So I waited, and waited, and waited. By the time kickoff rolled around, I could not believe what I saw. The amount of empty seats, not only in the student section but also in the season ticket holder’s sections, was astonishing.
I continued, however, to give fans the benefit of the doubt and figured they would slowly trickle in as the game got underway. What happened, though, was the complete opposite.
Baylor held a 14-7 lead in the first half as they recovered a fumble from quarterback Joe Hubener. This is when fans began heading toward the exits… in a 14-7 football game! Do you really have so little faith in your team that you would leave the game while only trailing by one touchdown? Is that the kind of fans you are?
At halftime there was one section of students that was more than 50 percent full, and that was the section the band played in. Without the band, that section would have been just as empty as the rest of them.
Folks, this was a 14-point game at halftime. Who quits on their team when they are trailing the No. 2 team in the country by 14 points? This wasn’t the Oklahoma game. K-State wasn’t down 35-0 at halftime. When it’s a blowout that bad, then yes, leaving early is understandable. But 14 points?
This is not the stadium that K-State football is known for. There was once a time when this place was full, loud and rowdy no matter the situation. For example, people stayed through a game in 2011 where K-State beat Eastern Kentucky 10-7 with a K-State touchdown pass not coming until there was 1:39 left in the game. Over 50,000 people stayed in their seats from start to finish for Eastern Kentucky, and you can’t stay for Baylor in prime time? Even when this team isn’t getting blown out?
There can be certain situations where it only makes sense to take off early or not even come to the game. I myself am from Beloit, Kansas, which is 1 hour and 45 minutes away. Weeknight games have caused me to miss games before. I couldn’t make it to the North Dakota State game in 2013 or the Auburn game in 2014 since they were on weeknights and conflicted with other commitments I had. But my dad and my brother didn’t have any other commitments the night of the Baylor game and they stayed through the entire game. Even with the almost 2-hour drive home, they stuck it out until the end. So I ask you, especially those of you who live in Manhattan, what’s your excuse?
K-State has two home games left in this season. Excuses to miss both of them can already be heard from a mile away. The Iowa State game will give us excuses like, “Well, I wanted to get a head start on my Thanksgiving break so I didn’t go.” For the West Virginia game we will probably hear, “It was too cold to go!”
If you fall in this category of people who make up these excuses for missing those games, then fine. This team deserves better fans than that.
If you left this game early on Thursday, you quit on this team. Admit it. You quit on them. LHC Bill Snyder wrote a letter to this student body just two weeks ago apologizing for his team’s performance.
“Please know that you are greatly appreciated and considered a major part of this football family,” Snyder wrote.
You hear that word? Family. Do you consider yourself to be part of this family? If you said yes to that then I ask you, where were you at the end of the game on Thursday night?
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What a dork
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I'm extremely proud of our fans for not supporting a loser. The second we start packing the stadium for teams that haven't won a conference game is the second we become Iowa State.
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Let's be honest, Thursday night was not a protest. This was just Cat fan laziness.
Most fan bases are full of fair weather fans. I'm a little surprised at how many of ours are season ticket holders, though.
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What a dufus
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:curse: time to get blocked
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There will only be ~2000 students at the Iowa St game next week. I couldn't care less. :dunno:
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Football has more to compete with on Thursday than Saturday. The school needs to put a better product on the field, or less people will be at the game.
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That family part at the end was amazing. I mean really good stuff. IMO
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I don't consider myself part of a ksu family. I went to school there, paid tens of thousands to get a degree there, and cheer for the sports when they are entertaining. This is the extent that most should follow a team unless you or a loved one have a financial stake in it. To do otherwise is slightly sad, imo.
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didn't read the article but I consider myself a great fan. just because I'm frustrated and pissed off at the team and coaches doesn't make me any less of a fan IMO
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Happy fans are all alike; every unhappy fan is unhappy in its own way.
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How else should fans effect change than by not supporting a product they don't like? I think most of the ksu "family" confuse being a fan with being a follower.
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Being a complete follower of a program and not questioning anything pisses me off
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I bet Riley's head would explode if I told him that I had 2 tickets to the game but my wife and I decided not to go because we were probably going to lose, cold, etc. and instead watched on TV until we shut it off at halftime. Also I made no attempt to give away my tickets. They were wasted.
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I stayed until the end :Carl:
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I stayed until the end :Carl:
I did as well. It was competitive enough to capture my interest even though I knew they would Dimel it up in the end.
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I don't consider myself part of a ksu family. I went to school there, paid tens of thousands to get a degree there, and cheer for the sports when they are entertaining. This is the extent that most should follow a team unless you or a loved one have a financial stake in it. To do otherwise is slightly sad, imo.
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I don't buy this at all. If entertainment value is your only reason for following a team, why in the world would you follow the Cats?
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DNR most of this thread but the absolute worst fans in all of sports are the ones that want everyone to show full support for losing programs. it takes some kind of incredible dumbass to not realize that doing that causes your team to suck forever. look at iowa state as an example. they are very good at supporting completely crap coaches and teams no matter what. and because of that paul rhoads is still their coach. if you want a good product you better be prepared to force the issue.
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I mean, ISU has had two coaches in the last 20 years, and both have been absolutely terrible at their jobs. but they're going to support a crap product because that's the ISU thing to do. it's disgusting. they are really terrible people.
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DNR most of this thread but the absolute worst fans in all of sports are the ones that want everyone to show full support for losing programs. it takes some kind of incredible dumbass to not realize that doing that causes your team to suck forever. look at iowa state as an example. they are very good at supporting completely crap coaches and teams no matter what. and because of that paul rhoads is still their coach. if you want a good product you better be prepared to force the issue.
Will he be by the end of the season?
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DNR most of this thread but the absolute worst fans in all of sports are the ones that want everyone to show full support for losing programs. it takes some kind of incredible dumbass to not realize that doing that causes your team to suck forever. look at iowa state as an example. they are very good at supporting completely crap coaches and teams no matter what. and because of that paul rhoads is still their coach. if you want a good product you better be prepared to force the issue.
Also, watching your shitty team lose is not fun for a lot of people.
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DNR most of this thread but the absolute worst fans in all of sports are the ones that want everyone to show full support for losing programs. it takes some kind of incredible dumbass to not realize that doing that causes your team to suck forever. look at iowa state as an example. they are very good at supporting completely crap coaches and teams no matter what. and because of that paul rhoads is still their coach. if you want a good product you better be prepared to force the issue.
Will he be by the end of the season?
he's just now eclipsing the 7 year point which is what an iowa state fan will tell you is the minimum a coach needs to implement his own system and players and get some good luck going and some other bullshit so I'd say 50/50.
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DNR most of this thread but the absolute worst fans in all of sports are the ones that want everyone to show full support for losing programs. it takes some kind of incredible dumbass to not realize that doing that causes your team to suck forever. look at iowa state as an example. they are very good at supporting completely crap coaches and teams no matter what. and because of that paul rhoads is still their coach. if you want a good product you better be prepared to force the issue.
Hey, Chizik (sp?) won a national title!
Also, it could just be an understanding among ISU fans and administration that they're as good as they're going to be at FB.
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I don't consider myself part of a ksu family. I went to school there, paid tens of thousands to get a degree there, and cheer for the sports when they are entertaining. This is the extent that most should follow a team unless you or a loved one have a financial stake in it. To do otherwise is slightly sad, imo.
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I don't buy this at all. If entertainment value is your only reason for following a team, why in the world would you follow the Cats?
Because, for the majority of the time since I enrolled on 1998, the fb team has been entertaining. I have not followed bb since then. I started mildly watching during wooly and bought season tix for Huggs and frank. Now, back to not knowing they played last night if it was t for a thread today.
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DNR most of this thread but the absolute worst fans in all of sports are the ones that want everyone to show full support for losing programs. it takes some kind of incredible dumbass to not realize that doing that causes your team to suck forever. look at iowa state as an example. they are very good at supporting completely crap coaches and teams no matter what. and because of that paul rhoads is still their coach. if you want a good product you better be prepared to force the issue.
Steve Dave, you could have just "QFT'd" my post.
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DNR most of this thread but the absolute worst fans in all of sports are the ones that want everyone to show full support for losing programs. it takes some kind of incredible dumbass to not realize that doing that causes your team to suck forever. look at iowa state as an example. they are very good at supporting completely crap coaches and teams no matter what. and because of that paul rhoads is still their coach. if you want a good product you better be prepared to force the issue.
Also, watching your shitty team lose is not fun for a lot of people.
yeah, I dislike it a lot. these losers need to realize they work for me, not the other way around.
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DNR most of this thread but the absolute worst fans in all of sports are the ones that want everyone to show full support for losing programs. it takes some kind of incredible dumbass to not realize that doing that causes your team to suck forever. look at iowa state as an example. they are very good at supporting completely crap coaches and teams no matter what. and because of that paul rhoads is still their coach. if you want a good product you better be prepared to force the issue.
Steve Dave, you could have just "QFT'd" my post.
when I say DNR I mean literally DNR
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I'm extremely proud of our fans for not supporting a loser. The second we start packing the stadium for teams that haven't won a conference game is the second we become Iowa State.
went back and read your post 33. good posting.
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I'm basically in CNS's camp here. i only closely follow the cats if I think it's going to make me happy. When it stops making me happy, i try to stop paying attention.
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All part of the agenda, start placing "family" above on field success. Then you can guilt trip people.
I fully expect to see a slogan like: "we don't win anything but we're the most fiscally responsible family in college athletics" in the next year or so at current pace.
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DNR most of this thread but the absolute worst fans in all of sports are the ones that want everyone to show full support for losing programs. it takes some kind of incredible dumbass to not realize that doing that causes your team to suck forever. look at iowa state as an example. they are very good at supporting completely crap coaches and teams no matter what. and because of that paul rhoads is still their coach. if you want a good product you better be prepared to force the issue.
Will he be by the end of the season?
he's just now eclipsing the 7 year point which is what an iowa state fan will tell you is the minimum a coach needs to implement his own system and players and get some good luck going and some other bullshit so I'd say 50/50.
I believe that is all true, but also, I have heard that he is taking a lot of heat. That is why he got rid of the Fatman.
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I'm basically in CNS's camp here. i only closely follow the cats if I think it's going to make me happy. When it stops making me happy, i try to stop paying attention.
I don't even have to try. I just automatically do. my brain and bod are finely tuned machines that have muscle memory about when to switch the tv over to house hunters international.
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Hell yeah, SD. That's the crap I love.
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A lot of times if we're bad and I think we're going to lose I won't even turn on the TV until mid 2nd quarter to see if we are losing and then when we are I turn it off and then I didn't waste any time at all watching it.
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I don't consider myself part of a ksu family. I went to school there, paid tens of thousands to get a degree there, and cheer for the sports when they are entertaining. This is the extent that most should follow a team unless you or a loved one have a financial stake in it. To do otherwise is slightly sad, imo.
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I don't buy this at all. If entertainment value is your only reason for following a team, why in the world would you follow the Cats?
Because, for the majority of the time since I enrolled on 1998, the fb team has been entertaining. I have not followed bb since then. I started mildly watching during wooly and bought season tix for Huggs and frank. Now, back to not knowing they played last night if it was t for a thread today.
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I know some folks that love their teams so much they can't even watch the games live because it just makes them sick.
I don't think you only care to watch when it's entertaining, I think you're just afraid to get hurt. You love the Cats. Don't run from your feelings.
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That Oklahoma game was timed perfectly on the IDGAF meter. I literally just got smashed and cheered on the Royals! It was amazing. I checked the box score briefly afterwards, but was pretty meh about it.
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That Oklahoma game was timed perfectly on the IDGAF meter. I literally just got smashed and cheered on the Royals! It was amazing. I checked the box score briefly afterwards, but was pretty meh about it.
oh yeah, how about that timing. should have a royals game during every football and basketball game and rerun of house hunters int.
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Guys, I hate following a shitty team. '04-'05 miserable... '06 kind of entertaining... '07-'09... not much fun. I got to say '10 to '14 was fun, with '13- '14 a little less.
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Even if we are sucking I will keep the game on in the background and play a video game or something
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Guys, I hate following a shitty team. '04-'05 miserable... '06 kind of entertaining... '07-'09... not much fun. I got to say '10 to '14 was fun, with '13- '14 a little less.
ME TOO KATDADDY!
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I mean, ISU has had two coaches in the last 20 years, and both have been absolutely terrible at their jobs. but they're going to support a crap product because that's the ISU thing to do. it's disgusting. they are really terrible people.
Its true, but the crazy thing is those 2 coaches still combined for the best stretch that Iowa State football has ever seen from 2000-2012. No Iowa State fan has literally ever seen a better decade+ of football than that.
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Guys, I hate following a shitty team. '04-'05 miserable... '06 kind of entertaining... '07-'09... not much fun. I got to say '10 to '14 was fun, with '13- '14 a little less.
ME TOO KATDADDY!
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Man, can Tivo be more of a win/win. I mean, fast forward through commercials and halftime as well as giving you a chance to check the real time tweets to see if the game is even worth watching before you even start it.
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That Oklahoma game was timed perfectly on the IDGAF meter. I literally just got smashed and cheered on the Royals! It was amazing. I checked the box score briefly afterwards, but was pretty meh about it.
oh yeah, how about that timing. should have a royals game during every football and basketball game and rerun of house hunters int.
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Do all real family members even show up for their own real family's games? I usually only see one parent in the crowd, if they even do more than drop the kid off.
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All part of the agenda, start placing "family" above on field success. Then you can guilt trip people.
I fully expect to see a slogan like: "we don't win anything but we're the most fiscally responsible family in college athletics" in the next year or so at current pace.
I have one family, and two or three other folks who I consider close to that. I love KSU, but the folks there are not my family. Family isn't a bunch of strangers with their love for the Cats as the common bond. While I like many of the people who are in the stands with me at games, I don't think of them as family. Don't cheapen what family means. Apologies for the mini-rant!
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I mean, ISU has had two coaches in the last 20 years, and both have been absolutely terrible at their jobs. but they're going to support a crap product because that's the ISU thing to do. it's disgusting. they are really terrible people.
Its true, but the crazy thing is those 2 coaches still combined for the best stretch that Iowa State football has ever seen from 2000-2012. No Iowa State fan has literally ever seen a better decade+ of football than that.
That is god damn depressing.
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They sell out every game. It's their own faults.
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I mean, ISU has had two coaches in the last 20 years, and both have been absolutely terrible at their jobs. but they're going to support a crap product because that's the ISU thing to do. it's disgusting. they are really terrible people.
Its true, but the crazy thing is those 2 coaches still combined for the best stretch that Iowa State football has ever seen from 2000-2012. No Iowa State fan has literally ever seen a better decade+ of football than that.
That is god damn depressing.
To be fair, Earl oscar had three 8 wins seasons in a row in the 70s before leaving for Ohio State. Dan McCarney had one 9 win season in 2000 and Johnny Majors had an 8 win season in 1972. Before that to find 8 or more wins you have to go back to 1906. I suppose it could be argued that the stretch of four 8 wins seasons with 4 bowls over 9 seasons in the 70s was better than the McCarney/Rhoads run with 8 bowls with six 7 win seasons in the 00s, especially since there are many more bowl games now.
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Wow. I still enjoy teams when they are bad, but part of that enjoyment comes from not having to share the experience with a bunch of other fans. Can't even do that at ISU.
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Happy fans are all alike; every unhappy fan is unhappy in its own way.
Fanna Karenina -- that there is some top-shelf posting.
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DNR most of this thread but the absolute worst fans in all of sports are the ones that want everyone to show full support for losing programs. it takes some kind of incredible dumbass to not realize that doing that causes your team to suck forever. look at iowa state as an example. they are very good at supporting completely crap coaches and teams no matter what. and because of that paul rhoads is still their coach. if you want a good product you better be prepared to force the issue.
There was a unique version of this in Royals fans who came out of the woodwork to tell you how they went to every game from 2000-2012. I was like "why? that's dumb. You are the reason we kept Allard for so long. Thanks jerkoff"
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The narrative I'm getting is that fair weather fans are responsible for a team's success.
Interesting, if true.
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Partially, yes.
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@winters should beat that dork up.
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Fans jumping on a bandwagon (and buying tickets leading to a bunch of sellouts) are reflective of a team's success.
Fans not showing up for a Thursday night game (even though they already bought tickets) after a 4 game losing streak are also reflective of a team's success.
Its not that hard.
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Fans jumping on a bandwagon (and buying tickets leading to a bunch of sellouts) are reflective of a team's success.
Fans not showing up for a Thursday night game (even though they already bought tickets) after a 4 game losing streak are also reflective of a team's success.
Its not that hard.
As recently as 2014 I could buy Royals tickets on stubhub in the lower level for under $8. Now I can't get postseason tickets for 2016 unless I upgrade to a 41 game ticket package. Its how it goes.
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Wow. I still enjoy teams when they are bad, but part of that enjoyment comes from not having to share the experience with a bunch of other fans. Can't even do that at ISU.
This, part of the enjoyment of going to games when the Royals where bad was getting great seats for cheap, having no one around but friends/family and having no real care whether they won or not. I have a KU fan friend who says the same thing about going to the occasional KU football game and my dad talks about KState football games in the 70s that way.
Having a bunch of people around for a poor/mediocre team sucks.
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Am I a bad fan if I quit reading Riley's article before I was half way thru?
Tom
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Am I a bad fan if I quit reading Riley's article before I was half way thru?
Tom
:lol:
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All part of the agenda, start placing "family" above on field success. Then you can guilt trip people.
I fully expect to see a slogan like: "we don't win anything but we're the most fiscally responsible family in college athletics" in the next year or so at current pace.
You mean like the basketball ticket flyer/packet this year that had "family" all over it and said "it's not about wins and losses" on the cover?
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Am I a bad fan if I quit reading Riley's article before I was half way thru?
Tom
gj to op for bolding the best part