Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2015, 02:45:38 AM
Operation Wetback huh :flush: Texas can have that piece of crap back. It's too bad that all mentions of that racist pig can't be scrubbed from my state. Never went to his dumbass library, never will.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 12, 2015, 06:55:32 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 12, 2015, 06:58:20 AM
I think it's funny that this happened, what, 60 years ago? And you're just now hearing about it and getting upset. Is there a magazine this stuff comes in? Racial Grievance Monger Monthly?
ksuw post.
Post by: renocat on November 12, 2015, 07:06:49 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 12, 2015, 07:26:04 AM
I think it's funny that this happened, what, 60 years ago? And you're just now hearing about it and getting upset. Is there a magazine this stuff comes in? Racial Grievance Monger Monthly?
Or maybe a republican candidate for president brought it up and then people fact checked it
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 12, 2015, 07:28:14 AM
Has the K-State President convened any dialogues or sent any emails about these issues or confessing his white privilege? If not, it's clearly time for him to go. Who's up for a hunger strike?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 12, 2015, 07:31:16 AM
I think it's funny that this happened, what, 60 years ago? And you're just now hearing about it and getting upset. Is there a magazine this stuff comes in? Racial Grievance Monger Monthly?
Or maybe a republican candidate for president brought it up and then people fact checked it
It was still news to MIR. Anybody else not know about this?
Not to worry, President Trump's operation will have a much less racist name. Actually all of his ops will be Freedom, Eagle, Winning, or eff Yeah.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 12, 2015, 07:32:15 AM
Post by: CNS on November 12, 2015, 07:34:38 AM
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Post by: steve dave on November 12, 2015, 07:42:12 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 12, 2015, 07:58:10 AM
this thing aside he was a pretty shitty president anyway
hawaii and alaska.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 12, 2015, 07:59:27 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 08:11:03 AM
Now they want as many people up here and out of the way and/or setting up the networks for the gangs that run the country as they can get.
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 08:31:12 AM
Using the CIA to overthrow the democratically elected governments in Guatemala and Iran were probably worse than Operation Wetback. Guatemala was especially disgusting as it was heavily lobbied by United Fruit, who was going to lose a lot of money if the government wasn't overthrown, and it just so happened that they were in the pocket of tons of people in the White House - I mean John Foster Dulles was literally on their payroll when the operation went down. It also led to an explosion in CIA responsibilities and power, and we're still seeing the effects of the Iran overthrow today.
However, he didn't drop atomic bombs on Korea or China or Vietnam like a lot of people wanted to, and he ended the Korean war and kept us out of subsequent wars. When Britain, France, and Israel decided they would take over the Suez canal, he got then to back down by threatening to leverage US banks to devalue the British pound, which was already weak at the time. He sent federal troops to protect the Little Rock 9, desegregated the army, and appointed progressive federal judges that sped up desegregation in the south. He also actually curtailed military spending that was being clamored for, balanced the budget, and presided over a strong economy.
I don't think he chose his cabinet very well and relied too much on them. At times he let things he wanted to happen passively (not entirely unlike Obama) when he could (or should) have been more firm. Overall I'd say he was a pretty good president, though.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 12, 2015, 08:36:48 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 08:42:04 AM
Post by: DQ12 on November 12, 2015, 08:52:32 AM
Post by: renocat on November 12, 2015, 09:13:52 AM
Post by: steve dave on November 12, 2015, 09:14:09 AM
Post by: steve dave on November 12, 2015, 09:14:28 AM
He was bald headed and married to a homely gal.
haha
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 09:14:33 AM
He was bald headed and married to a homely gal.He cheated on her with a saucy Brit, too!
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 12, 2015, 09:15:44 AM
Post by: CNS on November 12, 2015, 09:17:46 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 09:18:58 AM
he replaced the democratically elected prime minister and parliamentary system of iran with a monarch and everyone's still feeling the repercussions of it. he put troops in southern vietnam which eventually led to a pretty shitty war. he also added "under god" to the pledge of allegiance ending two centuries of the separation of church and state. you could argue he handed eastern europe to stalin leading to the murder of millions of people but I don't think he probably had a choice there. rusty's book does note some good stuff he did though, maybe he wasn't as shitty as I've always thought.
What president since WWII hasn't done similar (or worse) crap? I don't know much about Carter's presidency, so maybe him?
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 09:25:40 AM
He also had some great one-liners. example: on Joseph McCarthy: "I won't get into a pissing contest with that skunk"
Post by: renocat on November 12, 2015, 09:26:58 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 09:51:48 AM
Ike was on decent terms with the Soviets and was about to visit Moscow before the U2 was shot down (and it was supposed to be the last U2 flight ever). Then crap kinda got bad.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 11:18:57 AM
Post by: Trim on November 12, 2015, 11:20:47 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 12, 2015, 11:28:52 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 11:38:03 AM
Harry Truman . . . signatory on the creation of the CIA and the NSA.
And?
Post by: ednksu on November 12, 2015, 11:44:48 AM
I actually just read a book about Ike so this is timely.what book?
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 11:47:28 AM
I actually just read a book about Ike so this is timely.what book?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00540PBAA/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?ie=UTF8&btkr=1
I thought it could have been more critical for sure, although it was very critical of his capabilities as a military strategist and his use of the CIA. Spent a bit too much time on his early life and seemed to gloss over large patches of his presidency, but overall it's worth a read.
Post by: steve dave on November 12, 2015, 11:49:35 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 11:52:45 AM
I'm going to write a book about how awesome I am and make rusty read it because he'll immediately agree that I am awesome. smdh
would read
Post by: steve dave on November 12, 2015, 11:55:13 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 11:58:00 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 12:15:48 PM
Harry Truman . . . signatory on the creation of the CIA and the NSA.
And?
Well, I guess I just think to all the shrieking that has been done, predominately by staunch Dem voters about the CIA, and I can't help but think back at who created the CIA and NSA, and the number of presidents who have done some very evil things using the CIA who are considered heroes in the Liberal mind, including the current President.
Post by: steve dave on November 12, 2015, 12:20:08 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 12:23:28 PM
Dax, are you upset people are saying both positive and negative things about Ike because he was a Kansan or a republican?
Neither . . . but when the litmus test is a specific operation that had racial overtones being viewed through the prism of 2015 culture, then logic and history dictates that the same scorn and ridicule is applicable to every presidential administration in the post WWII era (and easily before, but that's obvious).
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 12, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 12, 2015, 12:26:58 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 12:28:39 PM
:lol:
Based on 2015 thought processes then Eisenhower Hall (named for the brother) needs to be renamed immediately. As brothers were complicit in one of the most racist undertakings in modern American history. Then again, Prog-Lib hero FDR was a massive racist.
Post by: steve dave on November 12, 2015, 12:29:45 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 12:29:59 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 12, 2015, 12:30:14 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 12:30:45 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 12, 2015, 12:32:12 PM
Just going by the theme of the original post . . . you guys have short memories I guess.
most of us stated that he did some decent things as president. short memory, i guess.
Post by: steve dave on November 12, 2015, 12:33:10 PM
Just going by the theme of the original post . . . you guys have short memories I guess.
most of us stated that he did some decent things as president. short memory, i guess.
I've actually had my opinion of him improved by this thread!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 12:33:58 PM
Just going by the theme of the original post . . . you guys have short memories I guess.
most of us stated that he did some decent things as president. short memory, i guess.
I'm not defending Ike. Apparently you're having trouble applying the theme of the original posts across all the presidencies, particularly those in the same political context of IKE in WWII/Post WWII America.
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 12, 2015, 12:35:05 PM
Just going by the theme of the original post . . . you guys have short memories I guess.
most of us stated that he did some decent things as president. short memory, i guess.
I'm not defending Ike. Apparently you're having trouble applying the theme of the original posts across all the presidencies, particularly those in the same political context of IKE in WWII/Post WWII America.
i'm actually not, you're just being neurotic. take a few breaths.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 12:36:02 PM
Just going by the theme of the original post . . . you guys have short memories I guess.
most of us stated that he did some decent things as president. short memory, i guess.
I'm not defending Ike. Apparently you're having trouble applying the theme of the original posts across all the presidencies, particularly those in the same political context of IKE in WWII/Post WWII America.
i'm actually not, you're just being neurotic. take a few breaths.
Actually it's quite a fun exercise, I'm perfectly relaxed.
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 12, 2015, 12:36:37 PM
Just going by the theme of the original post . . . you guys have short memories I guess.
most of us stated that he did some decent things as president. short memory, i guess.
I'm not defending Ike. Apparently you're having trouble applying the theme of the original posts across all the presidencies, particularly those in the same political context of IKE in WWII/Post WWII America.
i'm actually not, you're just being neurotic. take a few breaths.
Actually it's quite a fun exercise, I'm perfectly relaxed.
calmer than you are, dude.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 12:37:24 PM
Post by: lopakman on November 12, 2015, 12:39:20 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 12, 2015, 12:49:03 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 01:00:47 PM
I know mir doesn't troll, but man, what a great non-intentional troll
Yeah, cRusty fell right in. Sad
Post by: star seed 7 on November 12, 2015, 01:01:35 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 12, 2015, 01:28:52 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2015, 03:40:11 PM
Post by: _33 on November 12, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 03:53:50 PM
For the record since dax once again refuses to acknowledge any issues of race at all and more often than not changes the narrative or simply lies; the word wetback was a pejorative for 30 years before Eisenhower used the name to describe a government operation. Saying the context is different in 2015 may be true, but it doesn't change the horror of what he did and what he called it.
You must suffer from an inability to comprehend what I post. For example, in this thread I said that FDR and Ike's brother undertook a campaign and carried forward one of the greatest series of racist events in United States History. I also called FDR, what he rightfully was . . . a racist. That's just one example.
In addition, in the other thread, I have affirmed there were issues on the MU campus countless times. Every single time (for example) I ask if the Office of Equity or the Chancellors Office of Diversity was taking on or addressing the issues . . . I was affirming the issues.
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 03:57:18 PM
For the record since dax once again refuses to acknowledge any issues of race at all and more often than not changes the narrative or simply lies; the word wetback was a pejorative for 30 years before Eisenhower used the name to describe a government operation. Saying the context is different in 2015 may be true, but it doesn't change the horror of what he did and what he called it.
You must suffer from an inability to comprehend what I post. For example, in this thread I said that FDR and Ike's brother undertook a campaign and carried forward one of the greatest series of racist events in United States History. I also called FDR, what he rightfully was . . . a racist. That's just one example.
are you sure you posted that in this thread?
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 03:57:34 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 04:04:33 PM
For the record since dax once again refuses to acknowledge any issues of race at all and more often than not changes the narrative or simply lies; the word wetback was a pejorative for 30 years before Eisenhower used the name to describe a government operation. Saying the context is different in 2015 may be true, but it doesn't change the horror of what he did and what he called it.
You must suffer from an inability to comprehend what I post. For example, in this thread I said that FDR and Ike's brother undertook a campaign and carried forward one of the greatest series of racist events in United States History. I also called FDR, what he rightfully was . . . a racist. That's just one example.
are you sure you posted that in this thread?
Yes, albeit I made a mistake of not clarifying that I meant Ike's brother Milton and FDR, whereas I accidentally implied it was both Eisenhower brothers. I also clearly called FDR a racist.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2015, 04:05:33 PM
Dax, are you upset people are saying both positive and negative things about Ike because he was a Kansan or a republican?
Neither . . . but when the litmus test is a specific operation that had racial overtones being viewed through the prism of 2015 culture, then logic and history dictates that the same scorn and ridicule is applicable to every presidential administration in the post WWII era (and easily before, but that's obvious).
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 04:06:40 PM
Dax, are you upset people are saying both positive and negative things about Ike because he was a Kansan or a republican?
Neither . . . but when the litmus test is a specific operation that had racial overtones being viewed through the prism of 2015 culture, then logic and history dictates that the same scorn and ridicule is applicable to every presidential administration in the post WWII era (and easily before, but that's obvious).
That's absolutely true, I don't get why you had to repost that.
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 12, 2015, 04:08:27 PM
My wife is from Abilene. Ike's hometown if you didn't know. She loves him, as all Abileners do.
:cheers:
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2015, 04:08:50 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 04:13:05 PM
Your point about Milton was rough ridin' stupid. Also stop talking about FDR, we're talking about a president that called Mexicans wetbacks, FDR wasn't on record doing that.I think the actual operation was far more deplorable than the use of the term "wetback".
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 04:13:55 PM
Your point about Milton was rough ridin' stupid. Also stop talking about FDR, we're talking about a president that called Mexicans wetbacks, FDR wasn't on record doing that.
Then you need to re-read history, Milton Eisenhower ran the government Japanese internment program and was the chief implementer of the War Relocation Act.
The man literally went on camera in Goebbels like fashion and said that Japanese American's happily and willingly went along with being uprooted from their homes and businesses.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2015, 04:14:49 PM
Your point about Milton was rough ridin' stupid. Also stop talking about FDR, we're talking about a president that called Mexicans wetbacks, FDR wasn't on record doing that.I think the actual operation was far more deplorable than the use of the term "wetback".
Absolutely
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2015, 04:16:29 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2015, 04:19:13 PM
Your point about Milton was rough ridin' stupid. Also stop talking about FDR, we're talking about a president that called Mexicans wetbacks, FDR wasn't on record doing that.
Then you need to re-read history, Milton Eisenhower ran the government Japanese internment program and was the chief implementer of the War Relocation Act.
The man literally went on camera in Goebbels like fashion and said that Japanese American's happily and willingly went along with being uprooted from their homes and businesses.
So? What the eff does that have to do with Operation Wetback? Thomas Jefferson raped slaves. So. rough ridin'. What?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 12, 2015, 04:19:29 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2015, 04:20:33 PM
Your point about Milton was rough ridin' stupid. Also stop talking about FDR, we're talking about a president that called Mexicans wetbacks, FDR wasn't on record doing that.
Then you need to re-read history, Milton Eisenhower ran the government Japanese internment program and was the chief implementer of the War Relocation Act.
The man literally went on camera in Goebbels like fashion and said that Japanese American's happily and willingly went along with being uprooted from their homes and businesses.
So? What the eff does that have to do with Operation Wetback? Thomas Jefferson raped slaves. So. rough ridin'. What?
Go read the post you re posted.
If that's your logic, then Eisenhower had Operation Wetback . . . so rough ridin what!
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2015, 04:21:09 PM
Also, how crazy is it that Trump basically endorsed this program, today.
His supporters love it, they would be okay with us feeding them top sharks and gators to save money.
Post by: ednksu on November 12, 2015, 04:47:29 PM
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=wetback&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cwetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bwetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWETBACK%3B%2Cc0
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2015, 07:59:02 PM
one of those data is beautiful points of input
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=wetback&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cwetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bwetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWETBACK%3B%2Cc0
What's the point, I'm missing it?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 12, 2015, 09:50:33 PM
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 11:24:31 AM
one of those data is beautiful points of input
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=wetback&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cwetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bwetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWETBACK%3B%2Cc0
What's the point, I'm missing it?
Exactly what I said it was, just data is interesting.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2015, 11:52:20 AM
one of those data is beautiful points of input
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=wetback&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cwetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bwetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWETBACK%3B%2Cc0
What's the point, I'm missing it?
Exactly what I said it was, just data is interesting.
I mean doesn't that chart essentially say that the usage of the word wetback increased after operation wetback? Is that surprising?
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 12:13:41 PM
one of those data is beautiful points of input
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=wetback&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cwetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bwetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWetback%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWETBACK%3B%2Cc0
What's the point, I'm missing it?
Exactly what I said it was, just data is interesting.
I mean doesn't that chart essentially say that the usage of the word wetback increased after operation wetback? Is that surprising?
I think it's interesting because the use of "wetback" as a preoperative might date back 20 or 30 years (I've read that NYT piece and the reference isn't *that* bad, it's actually a reference to the colloquial). It's interesting to see its proliferation after Ike's admin and assumed expansion as a profane term.
Also if you play with the chart's "smoothing" you can get a more detailed look at how the word(s) spikes by years. So you see that "wetback" drops dramatically in the 60s and early 70s and doesn't spike with its all time high till the early 70s. I figured it would have spike earlier with Chavez's work but that was 5ish years before. But we have "Wetback", seemingly a proper name, spike during the farm protest movement.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2015, 12:27:55 PM