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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Hurricane Cat on October 24, 2015, 02:14:10 PM
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I think he might be.
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"Is Joe Huebener the worst 5th string QB to start in last 25 years?" would've been a better title IMO.
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my mother used to tell me not to ask questions i already knew the answer to
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"Is Joe Huebener the worst 5th string QB to start in last 25 years?" would've been a better title IMO.
lol, this has become a mantra of the tucks. Joe is actually the 2nd string quarterback.
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turned it off after the int. did he cry again today?
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Yes
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Worst to play at KSU since 1986 Randy Williams
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1992 - Jason Smargiasso
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
This. If Delton was healthy and Banks wasn't redshirting, Hubes would be 5th on the depth chart by now.
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
This. If Delton was healthy and Banks wasn't redshirting, Hubes would be 5th on the depth chart by now.
Our team sucks, but we could be 6-1 with a non-dipshit QB
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
This. If Delton was healthy and Banks wasn't redshirting, Hubes would be 5th on the depth chart by now.
What leads you to actually believe this?
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
This. If Delton was healthy and Banks wasn't redshirting, Hubes would be 5th on the depth chart by now.
Well, except he was second string when Delton was healthy and they decided to redshirt Banks.
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
This. If Delton was healthy and Banks wasn't redshirting, Hubes would be 5th on the depth chart by now.
He's the starter now, with Ertz, Banks and Delton "out" so he'd be 4th at worst. Also, the coaches selected him as their #2 when everyone was available.
He shouldn't be on the team, but he was and is the #2 QB for your 2015 K-State Wildcats.
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
This. If Delton was healthy and Banks wasn't redshirting, Hubes would be 5th on the depth chart by now.
Our team sucks, but we could be 6-1 with a non-dipshit QB
Don't blame Hubes. It's not his fault.
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
This. If Delton was healthy and Banks wasn't redshirting, Hubes would be 5th on the depth chart by now.
Our team sucks, but we could be 6-1 with a non-dipshit QB
Don't blame Hubes. It's not his fault.
My blame is squarely directed at the staff, not the kid who shouldn't even be on the roster
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
This. If Delton was healthy and Banks wasn't redshirting, Hubes would be 5th on the depth chart by now.
Our team sucks, but we could be 6-1 with a non-dipshit QB
Don't blame Hubes. It's not his fault.
playcalling aside the guy that is suppose to throw the football cant. Dont sugar coat it
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Watching him is like sitting in the rain for 3-hours and when it's over you're like "what did I just do with my time?"
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
This. If Delton was healthy and Banks wasn't redshirting, Hubes would be 5th on the depth chart by now.
Our team sucks, but we could be 6-1 with a non-dipshit QB
Don't blame Hubes. It's not his fault.
My blame is squarely directed at the staff, not the kid who shouldn't even be on the roster
This. It's not his fault he's the starting QB. He's doing his best but he shouldn't be out there. This is all on Snyder and the rest of the staff.
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He wasn't good enough to start at cheney high school. Now he's quarterbacking a P5 team.
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No receivers, no line, and no running back. This combined with 2 or 3 plays that everyone knows is coming it is no wonder that he doesn't look good. I remember all of you Jake bitchers.
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Marc Dunn sucked
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I need to see some 3-and-out stats before I can make a ruling.
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
This. If Delton was healthy and Banks wasn't redshirting, Hubes would be 5th on the depth chart by now.
What leads you to actually believe this?
They can't be any worse. Also, if Banks's issue was playbook, he's obviously improved on that. Same with Delton. I'm not saying the coaching is fine despite Hubes, just that we would have someone else out there now if Banks and Delton were all on the table.
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Yeah, I have no idea where people are getting this 5th string stuff.
He SHOULD be a fifth string QB, so in a way it makes sense.
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do you guys know how terrible if feels to have him as my guy :barf:
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do you guys know how terrible if feels to have him as my guy :barf:
Hubes is our version of Garret Gilbert (the walk on version obvs because, KSU). He showed some flashes in backup duty before that make you think "hey, this guy could be good if he keeps building on that" but then you realize those were actually just the anomalous high points of his career. :frown:
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do you guys know how terrible if feels to have him as my guy :barf:
Hubes is our version of Garret Gilbert (the walk on version obvs because, KSU). He showed some flashes in backup duty before that make you think "hey, this guy could be good if he keeps building on that" but then you realize those were actually just the anomalous high points of his career. :frown:
you are comparing a 5 star best HS QB prospect in the country to a walk on that didnt start at all in HS.
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do you guys know how terrible if feels to have him as my guy :barf:
Hubes is our version of Garret Gilbert (the walk on version obvs because, KSU). He showed some flashes in backup duty before that make you think "hey, this guy could be good if he keeps building on that" but then you realize those were actually just the anomalous high points of his career. :frown:
you are comparing a 5 star best HS QB prospect in the country to a walk on that didnt start at all in HS.
Also, Gilbert was pretty good at SMU.
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I still can't believe this staff ran off #LIFE.
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I still can't believe this staff ran off #LIFE.
We'd be in decent shape this season if they hadn't.
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He'd be one of the better QB's in the Big12. It's infuriating.
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We would be 6-1 with #Life and would have been ranked as high as 8th.
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We would be 6-1 with #Life and would have been ranked as high as 8th.
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Doubtful. We still lose to TCU and OU, and maybe OSU. The defense is still bad.
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do you guys know how terrible if feels to have him as my guy :barf:
Hubes is our version of Garret Gilbert (the walk on version obvs because, KSU). He showed some flashes in backup duty before that make you think "hey, this guy could be good if he keeps building on that" but then you realize those were actually just the anomalous high points of his career. :frown:
you are comparing a 5 star best HS QB prospect in the country to a walk on that didnt start at all in HS.
Also, Gilbert was pretty good at SMU.
Pretty good against far worse competition but still a losing QB, so not saying much. Also, of course I'm comparing a 5 star QB (Texas recruit) to a walk on (KSU recruit).
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Jesse Ertz started game one and might be worse than joe.
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Jesse Ertz started game one and might be worse than joe.
We don't really have a clue about Ertz and his game, other than he is pillowy soft.
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If Sams was still here, he'd wouldn't be playing much QB. Just like when he was here. Deep down, you guys know this.
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If Sam's would have stayed here he would have graduated already you silly gooses!
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If Sams was still here, he'd wouldn't be playing much QB. Just like when he was here. Deep down, you guys know this.
And if he was, he would be injured too
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nobody would even know the name leonard fournette if sams was still here because the country would have fallen in love with daniel :love:
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If Sam's would have stayed here he would have graduated already you silly gooses!
steffy get in in here, we need another red shirt refresher.
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Jesse Ertz started game one and might be worse than joe.
We don't really have a clue about Ertz and his game, other than he is pillowy soft.
When I hear acl tear, my first thought is he's soft. Never mind he ran a play with the acl tear, wanted to run another and walked (sorta) off the field. He's a total puss though.
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Jesse Ertz started game one and might be worse than joe.
We don't really have a clue about Ertz and his game, other than he is pillowy soft.
When I hear acl tear, my first thought is he's soft. Never mind he ran a play with the acl tear, wanted to run another and walked (sorta) off the field. He's a total puss though.
you Iowan's really stick together
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Jesse Ertz started game one and might be worse than joe.
We don't really have a clue about Ertz and his game, other than he is pillowy soft.
When I hear acl tear, my first thought is he's soft. Never mind he ran a play with the acl tear, wanted to run another and walked (sorta) off the field. He's a total puss though.
you Iowan's really stick together
Someone last week asked me what school he went to and I didn't have a clue, still don't.
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This is an actual quote before the season started from Joe Hubener's girlfriend to a female friend of mine:
"I just not sure if I'm ready to be an NFL wife."
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well she doesn't have to worry about that anymore
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i'm sure she was joking. nobody is that dumb.
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Joe is a very accommodating youngster.
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Two years from now Joe is gonna be throwing Super Bowl TD bombs to Tyler Lockett.
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Yeah he and CCQ are pretty close in my eyes. Carson had the benefit of having a few (very) capable skill position players on the field with him and wasn't asked to do nearly as much as Hubener is (which is inexplicable, thanks Dana).
That 2010 offense would have been remarkable with an average quarterback. With an average quarterback, the 2015 offense would still be really bad.
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Yeah he and CCQ are pretty close in my eyes. Carson had the benefit of having a few (very) capable skill position players on the field with him and wasn't asked to do nearly as much as Hubener is (which is inexplicable, thanks Dana).
That 2010 offense would have been remarkable with an average quarterback. With an average quarterback, the 2015 offense would still be really bad.
If we had DT on this team, we'd probably have 3 more wins (still would've been dominated by OU). I say that mostly because I'm assuming Dimel would have us throw the ball less if that were the case.
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2010 had 3! NFL running backs...
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Yeah he and CCQ are pretty close in my eyes. Carson had the benefit of having a few (very) capable skill position players on the field with him and wasn't asked to do nearly as much as Hubener is (which is inexplicable, thanks Dana).
That 2010 offense would have been remarkable with an average quarterback. With an average quarterback, the 2015 offense would still be really bad.
If we had DT on this team, we'd probably have 3 more wins (still would've been dominated by OU). I say that mostly because I'm assuming Dimel would have us throw the ball less if that were the case.
I believe people over value DT in comparison to Silmon and Jones. I don't think it makes up for the gap between Hubner and Coffman statically. Coffman was close to a system QB. Hubner has such a limited skill set. I don't think he doing anything well. I don't like how I perceive what he is checking plays into but that is so hard to figure out. But I do know he has a completion rate of 38.5% and has 4.85 yards per attempt in conference play. On top of the he is only averaging 2.8 yards per carry.
I also think our 2 halves of offensive success have a common thread. In both halves we seemed to move the ball with balance and were able to complete passes. I think it shows there is some offensive talent on this team but we struggle to take advantage of it. Because coaches can't figure out a doable game plan, but I think is related to our inabilities at QB position.
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I'd like to see a waters vs. Sams debate here. Which one should have started in 2013?
Also, Alan Webb was the worst kstate qb ever.
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Snyder has always had quarterbacks like Huebener in the program, but we are seeing what it's like to have Helm or Schwinn be a long term starter and not just play a game or two.
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Hubes can't throw short passes like CCQ did and I don't think we'd use DT this season because OMG THEY'RE DARING US TO THROW LET'S THROW
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I believe people over value DT in comparison to Silmon and Jones.
Well, first of all, Silmon has 11 carries in the last 3 games, so the comparison is really between Jones and Thomas.
And generally, I would agree with you -- 90% of the time, running backs are a dime a dozen in college football (5% are inept, 5% are spectacular - everyone else is more or less "serviceable"). I think Thomas is different - he's probably the 2nd best running back K-State's ever had. Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's. DT was absolutely a difference maker in '09 and '10.
I'm not here to defend Hubener by any means. He's absolutely terrible. But I think his lack of skill is especially apparent when the cast surrounding is relatively terrible too.
I think it's safe to say that our offense is the least talented its been in at least 2 decades. Not a single difference maker on the field.
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i'm sure she was joking. nobody is that dumb.
My cousin knows her and I would say she is 100% serious.
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i'm sure she was joking. nobody is that dumb.
My cousin knows her and I would say she is 100% serious.
This makes a lot of sense. Hubes is sandbagging so he doesn't get NFL looks and his gf won't feel guilty about telling him she doesn't want to be an NFL wife. Pretty admirable, but not very #family.
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I believe people over value DT in comparison to Silmon and Jones.
Well, first of all, Silmon has 11 carries in the last 3 games, so the comparison is really between Jones and Thomas.
And generally, I would agree with you -- 90% of the time, running backs are a dime a dozen in college football (5% are inept, 5% are spectacular - everyone else is more or less "serviceable"). I think Thomas is different - he's probably the 2nd best running back K-State's ever had. Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's. DT was absolutely a difference maker in '09 and '10.
I'm not here to defend Hubener by any means. He's absolutely terrible. But I think his lack of skill is especially apparent when the cast surrounding is relatively terrible too.
I think it's safe to say that our offense is the least talented its been in at least 2 decades. Not a single difference maker on the field.
Jones is averaging 6yds per carry in conference play, FWIW. It is not like we are hurting at the RB position.
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Yeah he and CCQ are pretty close in my eyes. Carson had the benefit of having a few (very) capable skill position players on the field with him and wasn't asked to do nearly as much as Hubener is (which is inexplicable, thanks Dana).
That 2010 offense would have been remarkable with an average quarterback. With an average quarterback, the 2015 offense would still be really bad.
CC stat line from 2010
Year Comp/att/yards/%/TDS/Int/Rat/Rushes/Yards/ Avg/TDs
2010 171 263 2,060 65.0 14 7 143.1 110 157 1.4 9
Coffman is a much better passer than hubener ever thought about being. He couldn't run but I think any of us would take this stat line this year from our QB.
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Queso was better than GG. GG is overhyped and was probably the worst.
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Yeah he and CCQ are pretty close in my eyes. Carson had the benefit of having a few (very) capable skill position players on the field with him and wasn't asked to do nearly as much as Hubener is (which is inexplicable, thanks Dana).
That 2010 offense would have been remarkable with an average quarterback. With an average quarterback, the 2015 offense would still be really bad.
CC stat line from 2010
Year Comp/att/yards/%/TDS/Int/Rat/Rushes/Yards/ Avg/TDs
2010 171 263 2,060 65.0 14 7 143.1 110 157 1.4 9
Coffman is a much better passer than hubener ever thought about being. He couldn't run but I think any of us would take this stat line this year from our QB.
Again, I'm not disputing that CCQ had better stats than Hubener. I'm saying that comparing the two is apples and oranges to some degree - Coffman's 6th best pass catcher would probably be our number 1 target this year.
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I also think our 2 halves of offensive success have a common thread. In both halves we seemed to move the ball with balance and were able to complete passes. I think it shows there is some offensive talent on this team but we struggle to take advantage of it. Because coaches can't figure out a doable game plan, but I think is related to our inabilities at QB position.
This is definitely the common thread.
In the first half against OSU/TCU our QBs went 17-28 (60%) for 228 yards (8.1 YPA) and 3 TDs. We only had 3 sacks. 5 of our 12 drives (42%) started with a pass on the 1st play of the drive. Granted, we ran the ball well with 50 rushes for 286 yards (5.72 YPR) and ran it the majority of the time (62% run plays called), but the success came because of successful passing mixed in. When those passes failed in both 2nd halves (and the following 2 games) our offense really stagnated. While I agree that we should have run the ball more in some situations, the inability to consistently complete passes like we did in those 2 first halves is the downfall of this offense this season.
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Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's.
Get the eff outta here
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Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's.
Get the eff outta here
I don't think that's too crazy. Thomas's '10 season (1585 yds on 298 carries; 5.3 ypc) was roughly on par with Sproles's '04 season (1318 yds on 244 carries; 5.4 ypc). My point is that the surrounding cast matters. Sproles benefited from Roberson just like Roberson benefited from Sproles. When Ell left, defenses could stuff the box and limit Sproles' production. Thomas was basically handicapped throughout both his seasons in the way Sproles was handicapped in '04.
I'm not saying Thomas would have been better than Sproles, but I think it's fair to say that Thomas would have been much more effective with a quarterback that was more of an offensive threat than Queso and Gregory.
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Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's.
Get the eff outta here
I don't think that's too crazy. Thomas's '10 season (1585 yds on 298 carries; 5.3 ypc) was roughly on par with Sproles's '04 season (1318 yds on 244 carries; 5.4 ypc). My point is that the surrounding cast matters. Sproles benefited from Roberson just like Roberson benefited from Sproles. When Ell left, defenses could stuff the box and limit Sproles' production. Thomas was basically handicapped throughout both his seasons in the way Sproles was handicapped in '04.
I'm not saying Thomas would have been better than Sproles, but I think it's fair to say that Thomas would have been much more effective with a quarterback that was more of an offensive threat than Queso and Gregory.
Why did you use Sproles' worst year as a full time player, a year in which he was playing behind a sorry line, as the point of comparison?
Of course Thomas would have benefited from a better QB, but Darren Sproles had 2275 yards from scrimmage (not counting his return yards) in 2003. It's ridiculous to think that anyone would do better than that. Daniel Thomas was a very good running back, Darren Sproles was and is a transformative running back.
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Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's.
Get the eff outta here
I don't think that's too crazy. Thomas's '10 season (1585 yds on 298 carries; 5.3 ypc) was roughly on par with Sproles's '04 season (1318 yds on 244 carries; 5.4 ypc). My point is that the surrounding cast matters. Sproles benefited from Roberson just like Roberson benefited from Sproles. When Ell left, defenses could stuff the box and limit Sproles' production. Thomas was basically handicapped throughout both his seasons in the way Sproles was handicapped in '04.
I'm not saying Thomas would have been better than Sproles, but I think it's fair to say that Thomas would have been much more effective with a quarterback that was more of an offensive threat than Queso and Gregory.
Why did you use Sproles' worst year as a full time player, a year in which he was playing behind a sorry line, as the point of comparison?
Because the 04 offense is more similar to the '10 offense than '02 or '03's offenses.
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DT didn't have the top end speed that Sproles had, I think that would have limited his effectiveness.
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It's debatable, but I think Heubner is the very worst quarterback to start a game for LHC Bill Snyder since 1993.
Jeff Schwin is a decent argument, but I would still take Jeff. I think Dylan and both Allen's were better runners and better short passers.
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Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's.
Get the eff outta here
I don't think that's too crazy. Thomas's '10 season (1585 yds on 298 carries; 5.3 ypc) was roughly on par with Sproles's '04 season (1318 yds on 244 carries; 5.4 ypc). My point is that the surrounding cast matters. Sproles benefited from Roberson just like Roberson benefited from Sproles. When Ell left, defenses could stuff the box and limit Sproles' production. Thomas was basically handicapped throughout both his seasons in the way Sproles was handicapped in '04.
I'm not saying Thomas would have been better than Sproles, but I think it's fair to say that Thomas would have been much more effective with a quarterback that was more of an offensive threat than Queso and Gregory.
Why did you use Sproles' worst year as a full time player, a year in which he was playing behind a sorry line, as the point of comparison?
Because the 04 offense is more similar to the '10 offense than '02 or '03's offenses.
That 2004 offense was the worst LHC Bill Snyder offense I've personally seen. I'd love to have the 2010 offense right now.
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I also think our 2 halves of offensive success have a common thread. In both halves we seemed to move the ball with balance and were able to complete passes. I think it shows there is some offensive talent on this team but we struggle to take advantage of it. Because coaches can't figure out a doable game plan, but I think is related to our inabilities at QB position.
This is definitely the common thread.
In the first half against OSU/TCU our QBs went 17-28 (60%) for 228 yards (8.1 YPA) and 3 TDs. We only had 3 sacks. 5 of our 12 drives (42%) started with a pass on the 1st play of the drive. Granted, we ran the ball well with 50 rushes for 286 yards (5.72 YPR) and ran it the majority of the time (62% run plays called), but the success came because of successful passing mixed in. When those passes failed in both 2nd halves (and the following 2 games) our offense really stagnated. While I agree that we should have run the ball more in some situations, the inability to consistently complete passes like we did in those 2 first halves is the downfall of this offense this season.
Our receivers aren't good - Burton is the only serviceable one - but I noticed in all of our losses we had plenty of receivers open. At Texas we had receivers open constantly. Hubener either didn't find them or completely missed them when he threw to them. Also, oddly we didn't have any drops at Texas in that downpour.
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Hey if Heath didn't sprain his ankle :shakesfist:
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Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's.
Get the eff outta here
I don't think that's too crazy. Thomas's '10 season (1585 yds on 298 carries; 5.3 ypc) was roughly on par with Sproles's '04 season (1318 yds on 244 carries; 5.4 ypc). My point is that the surrounding cast matters. Sproles benefited from Roberson just like Roberson benefited from Sproles. When Ell left, defenses could stuff the box and limit Sproles' production. Thomas was basically handicapped throughout both his seasons in the way Sproles was handicapped in '04.
I'm not saying Thomas would have been better than Sproles, but I think it's fair to say that Thomas would have been much more effective with a quarterback that was more of an offensive threat than Queso and Gregory.
Why did you use Sproles' worst year as a full time player, a year in which he was playing behind a sorry line, as the point of comparison?
Because the 04 offense is more similar to the '10 offense than '02 or '03's offenses.
That 2004 offense was the worst LHC Bill Snyder offense I've personally seen. I'd love to have the 2010 offense right now.
I didn't Google it, but wasn't the '04-05 yrs so bad that we even lost to the Squawks.
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I also think our 2 halves of offensive success have a common thread. In both halves we seemed to move the ball with balance and were able to complete passes. I think it shows there is some offensive talent on this team but we struggle to take advantage of it. Because coaches can't figure out a doable game plan, but I think is related to our inabilities at QB position.
This is definitely the common thread.
In the first half against OSU/TCU our QBs went 17-28 (60%) for 228 yards (8.1 YPA) and 3 TDs. We only had 3 sacks. 5 of our 12 drives (42%) started with a pass on the 1st play of the drive. Granted, we ran the ball well with 50 rushes for 286 yards (5.72 YPR) and ran it the majority of the time (62% run plays called), but the success came because of successful passing mixed in. When those passes failed in both 2nd halves (and the following 2 games) our offense really stagnated. While I agree that we should have run the ball more in some situations, the inability to consistently complete passes like we did in those 2 first halves is the downfall of this offense this season.
Our receivers aren't good - Burton is the only serviceable one - but I noticed in all of our losses we had plenty of receivers open. At Texas we had receivers open constantly. Hubener either didn't find them or completely missed them when he threw to them. Also, oddly we didn't have any drops at Texas in that downpour.
I noticed that as well. Burton actually made a pretty nice catch on one play.
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Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's.
Get the eff outta here
I don't think that's too crazy. Thomas's '10 season (1585 yds on 298 carries; 5.3 ypc) was roughly on par with Sproles's '04 season (1318 yds on 244 carries; 5.4 ypc). My point is that the surrounding cast matters. Sproles benefited from Roberson just like Roberson benefited from Sproles. When Ell left, defenses could stuff the box and limit Sproles' production. Thomas was basically handicapped throughout both his seasons in the way Sproles was handicapped in '04.
I'm not saying Thomas would have been better than Sproles, but I think it's fair to say that Thomas would have been much more effective with a quarterback that was more of an offensive threat than Queso and Gregory.
Why did you use Sproles' worst year as a full time player, a year in which he was playing behind a sorry line, as the point of comparison?
Because the 04 offense is more similar to the '10 offense than '02 or '03's offenses.
That 2004 offense was the worst LHC Bill Snyder offense I've personally seen. I'd love to have the 2010 offense right now.
I didn't Google it, but wasn't the '04-05 yrs so bad that we even lost to the Squawks.
'04 we lost at home to Iowa State on Darren's senior day, '05 we lost at KU
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Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's.
Get the eff outta here
I don't think that's too crazy. Thomas's '10 season (1585 yds on 298 carries; 5.3 ypc) was roughly on par with Sproles's '04 season (1318 yds on 244 carries; 5.4 ypc). My point is that the surrounding cast matters. Sproles benefited from Roberson just like Roberson benefited from Sproles. When Ell left, defenses could stuff the box and limit Sproles' production. Thomas was basically handicapped throughout both his seasons in the way Sproles was handicapped in '04.
I'm not saying Thomas would have been better than Sproles, but I think it's fair to say that Thomas would have been much more effective with a quarterback that was more of an offensive threat than Queso and Gregory.
Why did you use Sproles' worst year as a full time player, a year in which he was playing behind a sorry line, as the point of comparison?
Because the 04 offense is more similar to the '10 offense than '02 or '03's offenses.
That 2004 offense was the worst LHC Bill Snyder offense I've personally seen. I'd love to have the 2010 offense right now.
I didn't Google it, but wasn't the '04-05 yrs so bad that we even lost to the Squawks.
'04 we lost at home to Iowa State on Darren's senior day, '05 we lost at KU
Very sad days. I remember ppl walking on the walkways and complaining about how bad Bill's coaches were and hoping he would clean house. It was a very common topic after losing one game after another.
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Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's.
Get the eff outta here
I don't think that's too crazy. Thomas's '10 season (1585 yds on 298 carries; 5.3 ypc) was roughly on par with Sproles's '04 season (1318 yds on 244 carries; 5.4 ypc). My point is that the surrounding cast matters. Sproles benefited from Roberson just like Roberson benefited from Sproles. When Ell left, defenses could stuff the box and limit Sproles' production. Thomas was basically handicapped throughout both his seasons in the way Sproles was handicapped in '04.
I'm not saying Thomas would have been better than Sproles, but I think it's fair to say that Thomas would have been much more effective with a quarterback that was more of an offensive threat than Queso and Gregory.
Why did you use Sproles' worst year as a full time player, a year in which he was playing behind a sorry line, as the point of comparison?
Because the 04 offense is more similar to the '10 offense than '02 or '03's offenses.
That 2004 offense was the worst LHC Bill Snyder offense I've personally seen. I'd love to have the 2010 offense right now.
I didn't Google it, but wasn't the '04-05 yrs so bad that we even lost to the Squawks.
'04 we lost at home to Iowa State on Darren's senior day, '05 we lost at KU
04 we lost at ku (and at home vs. ISU). In 05 Allen Evridge led the cats to victory against ku in what I recall as being a brutally ugly game.
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Also, is this accurate?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kansas_State_Wildcats_football_team
Our last 5 Big 12 games weren't televised? :sdeek:
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Had he been on that '03 team, his numbers may have been better than Sproles's.
Get the eff outta here
I don't think that's too crazy. Thomas's '10 season (1585 yds on 298 carries; 5.3 ypc) was roughly on par with Sproles's '04 season (1318 yds on 244 carries; 5.4 ypc). My point is that the surrounding cast matters. Sproles benefited from Roberson just like Roberson benefited from Sproles. When Ell left, defenses could stuff the box and limit Sproles' production. Thomas was basically handicapped throughout both his seasons in the way Sproles was handicapped in '04.
I'm not saying Thomas would have been better than Sproles, but I think it's fair to say that Thomas would have been much more effective with a quarterback that was more of an offensive threat than Queso and Gregory.
Why did you use Sproles' worst year as a full time player, a year in which he was playing behind a sorry line, as the point of comparison?
Because the 04 offense is more similar to the '10 offense than '02 or '03's offenses.
That 2004 offense was the worst LHC Bill Snyder offense I've personally seen. I'd love to have the 2010 offense right now.
The '04 offense is more similar to the '10 offense than '02 or '03 though. Which is why I used '04.
Anyhow, I think we're getting stuck in the weeds here. My original point wasn't that DT was as good or better than Sproles, and maybe that comparison by me was careless. My point was that comparing players when the relative skill of the rest of the offense is significantly different is really tough. Sure maybe CCQ was better than Hubener is, but it's hard to tell, really, because CCQ had DT and about 5 better receivers than we currently have. Hubener has Charles Jones and Kyle Klein.
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This is an actual quote before the season started from Joe Hubener's girlfriend to a female friend of mine:
"I just not sure if I'm ready to be an NFL wife."
This is super awesome and should not be over looked.
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This is an actual quote before the season started from Joe Hubener's girlfriend to a female friend of mine:
"I just not sure if I'm ready to be an NFL wife."
This is super awesome and should not be over looked.
I'm over looking it, because it never happened.
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Also, is this accurate?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kansas_State_Wildcats_football_team
Our last 5 Big 12 games weren't televised? :sdeek:
mizzou game was not on tv.
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Also, is this accurate?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kansas_State_Wildcats_football_team
Our last 5 Big 12 games weren't televised? :sdeek:
mizzou game was not on tv.
Different era in CFB tho. Even KU's games are televised other than a couple early ones you have to catch on ESPN 3.
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I remember it being a big deal when the game would be on TV, listening to games on the radio often.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Kansas_State_Wildcats_football_team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Kansas_State_Wildcats_football_team)
2004 was the year we lost @KU, i was there... in the student section. It sucked.
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This year's offense is on pace to be the 2nd worst offense since Snyder's return (and Dimel/Miller) and perhaps the worst if we don't see improvement.
Here are the national offensive efficiency ratings from footballoutsiders.com and their average for each year of Snyder 2.0.
Year FEI S&P AVE
09 91 92 91.5
10 24 49 36.5
11 29 69 49
12 21 23 22
13 16 15 15.5
14 15 22 18.5
15 56 93 74.5
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This year's offense is on pace to be the 2nd worst offense since Snyder's return (and Dimel/Miller) and perhaps the worst if we don't see improvement.
Here are the national offensive efficiency ratings from footballoutsiders.com and their average for each year of Snyder 2.0.
Year FEI S&P AVE
09 91 92 91.5
10 24 49 36.5
11 29 69 49
12 21 23 22
13 16 15 15.5
14 15 22 18.5
15 56 93 74.5
I must not be reading this correctly; is it saying that the offense was more efficient in '13 and '14 than it was in '12? If so :ROFL:
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12 had the best special teams in the country also which was a very big deal. Plus the difference is slight.
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Lol what the actual eff...
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To dismiss a players potential after 8 football games is short-sided. I'll answer TBones question, YES, he does have NFL arm strength. And YES, he does have the size and strength to play in the NFL. And yes, he has the ability to escape from the pocket and run. But no, he doesn't have very much experience at the position. And no, he doesn't see the field as well as someone who has played quarterback since jr. high. And no, he doesn't have the poise and confidence necessary to play at the next level, but how to we really know if that is because of his inexperience, or because he just doesn't have a sharp enough football mind. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. So, give the guy a chance. He played a damn good game against Baylor, as catchick pointed out, with over 300 yards of total offense. Do you guys think that Steve Grogan was any better at this stage? I can tell you, from watching him first hand, that he wasn't. And don't give me this crap about what a great college quarterback Grogan was. Just look at his stats! They are no better than Hubener's. Grogan played on losing teams at K-State. Grogan progressed and got better, especially in the NFL. Will Hubener? Folks, the jury is still out
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That guy is definitely 'Clams
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He's not the best, but there's no reason to hate him. He's practically our whole offense right now and somehow gets it done for being really shitty. I wish he wasn't my starting QB, but here we are.
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He's not the best, but there's no reason to hate him. He's practically our whole offense right now and somehow gets it done for being really shitty. I wish he wasn't my starting QB, but here we are.
We lost our last 5 games. he isn't getting it done.
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Ledership meme material.
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He's not the best, but there's no reason to hate him. He's practically our whole offense right now and somehow gets it done for being really shitty. I wish he wasn't my starting QB, but here we are.
We lost our last 5 games. he isn't getting it done.
Well, no crap. He's all we have at the moment tho. He's not the sole reason we lost those games (by help me god, don't make me tuck right now) either and you know it.
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Well, if you are saying that our problems are much more systematic and start at the top, I agree. I was just responding to your note saying that he is still getting it done.
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Getting it done, was more like, keeping us in the game with a bunch of scrubs. #MoralVictoryIGuess
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If I understand you, we are agreeing that his strengths are the ability to suit up with his jersey facing the right way and running the right play that is given to him every time(which is kinda less hard that the jersey thing since he has to check with the sidelines twenty times before actually hiking the ball).
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Am I the only one who remembers how awful Klein was throwing the ball in 2010-2011? I don't think Hubes is that bad compared to other QBs, they're just trying to use him like he's Waters instead of running the battering ram offense (which seems to do alright when we actually do bust it out).
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He is not good
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Am I the only one who remembers how awful Klein was throwing the ball in 2010-2011? I don't think Hubes is that bad compared to other QBs, they're just trying to use him like he's Waters instead of running the battering ram offense (which seems to do alright when we actually do bust it out).
okay, you have hit the brown belt status. joe gets hurt every other play and he sucks taints, obviously not what we need.
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Am I the only one who remembers how awful Klein was throwing the ball in 2010-2011? I don't think Hubes is that bad compared to other QBs, they're just trying to use him like he's Waters instead of running the battering ram offense (which seems to do alright when we actually do bust it out).
okay, you have hit the brown belt status. joe gets hurt every other play and he sucks taints, obviously not what we need.
Durability is obviously a distinction between the two (leadership too obviously), but all I know is Hubes was the leading rusher in the Baylor game (who is a pretty good running team) and his running was a huge part of our halftime lead over TCU.
No one wants him to be QB, but I have little doubt he's been the best we had available since Delton went down.
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He has no confidence throwing the ball.
His running is better than it ever has been though. There were MANY times the last few weeks that we've had guys wide open or coming wide open on the pop passes and he hasn't thrown the ball.
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Ledership meme material.
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If he is the best available QB on campus - shame on this staff.
If he is not the best available QB on campus - shame on this staff.
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The timeliness of his turnover have made me want to puke.
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He should be at Emporia State.
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its not his fault he's the quarterback
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It is clear that he knows he's not good enough.
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you guys would laugh pretty hard if you knew who's sock catastrophe is
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Hubener?
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Hubener?
i bet hubener would be a pretty stud poster, this guy is universally mocked
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that picture of him crying confirms that he broke one of snyder's 16 goals; #11: Don't accept losing
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that picture of him crying confirms that he broke one of snyder's 16 goals; #11: Don't accept losing
crying at that point in time seems like the action of someone not accepting it
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he really cried tcu into that loss.
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id like to see jake do any more than joe with this team, joe would start over jake this year, jake needs extreme talent at the WR position to even be remotely close. at least with our super shitty WR's joe has kept us in a few games.
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Splitting 3 and out hairs
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Jake is way better than bazooka joe, I'd take jake ten times out of ten over him.
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you really think burton could catch one of jakes out route passes :lol:
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at least if he falls down joe still gives him a chance
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You're obsessed! :frown:
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id like to see jake do any more than joe with this team, joe would start over jake this year, jake needs extreme talent at the WR position to even be remotely close. at least with our super shitty WR's joe has kept us in a few games.
:facepalm: pretty sure you lost all if any credibility that you had
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This is an actual quote before the season started from Joe Hubener's girlfriend to a female friend of mine:
"I just not sure if I'm ready to be an NFL wife."
This is super awesome and should not be over looked.
I'm over looking it, because it never happened.
I can assure you that it did indeed happen.