"this needs an exclamation point. nah, spacebar first !"
It's American and we live by freedom of speech but this coaching staff isn't just fighting a few players with attitude issues . They are dealing with fans supporting those bad attitudes and blaming the coaching staff. How can leadership win in this inviroment . Marcus Foster game winning three in the Oklahoma win may have been the worst thing that could happened to this team , his actions after hitting that shot wasn't just about take (that Oklahoma )but also put the supension where the sun don't shine to the coaching staff .Ask yourself if this was in your workplace and your in management how would you deal with this ? This is a cancer !
God Bless America and God Bless Kansas State !
I would fire the leadership that let it get that way. Next Question?
Ask yourself if this was in your workplace and your in management how would you deal with this
Honest question that I thought of this morning...
College coaches make their living by getting 18-23 year olds to perform.
Other industries that do the same thing?: Retail and food service
If oscar Weber was managing an Arby's or an American Eagle, what would it look like? I mean, seriously.
Could oscar Weber actually motivate people to make a roast beef sandwich properly or fold skinny jeans?
the OP is poorly articulated, but the sentiment isn't entirely terrible...
God Bless America and God Bless Kansas State !
it's important to hire a coach that the fans like. helps buffer the unrealistic expectations.
let's not pretend that likability is the key factor here.
let's not pretend that likability is the key factor here.
i think it matters. 13-14 is going to cause some muttering, no matter who you are. but if former kstate bball playing and coaching legend bunderwood had won a big 12 title and then tanked, he'd be getting more benefit and less doubt than previous failure bweber is getting.
let's not pretend that likability is the key factor here.
i think it matters. 13-14 is going to cause some muttering, no matter who you are. but if former kstate bball playing and coaching legend bunderwood had won a big 12 title and then tanked, he'd be getting more benefit and less doubt than previous failure bweber is getting.
Jim Wooldridge coached here for six years. Likability rough ridin' matters.
let's not pretend that likability is the key factor here.
i think it matters. 13-14 is going to cause some muttering, no matter who you are. but if former kstate bball playing and coaching legend bunderwood had won a big 12 title and then tanked, he'd be getting more benefit and less doubt than previous failure bweber is getting.
Jim Wooldridge coached here for six years. Likability rough ridin' matters.
He wasn't Asbury. That was more about hate than like.
let's not pretend that likability is the key factor here.
i think it matters. 13-14 is going to cause some muttering, no matter who you are. but if former kstate bball playing and coaching legend bunderwood had won a big 12 title and then tanked, he'd be getting more benefit and less doubt than previous failure bweber is getting.
Wooly was thought to be competitive by some fans.Hell, Wooly even had Jason Whitlock in his corner toward the end. Jason usually hates everybody, except Jeff George.
He also wouldn't have failed before at a similar job. Weber got a lot more time, likability aside, at Illinois because he had succeeded at SIU immediately prior. Just needed to get his high major legs.
Consistently beating bad teams is an underrated aspect of a good team.
Consistently beating bad teams is an underrated aspect of a good team.
yes
Big 10 has always been a top heavy conference. I think it is harder to finish in the top third in the Big 10 than the Big 12. You have coaches like Izzo, Bo Ryan, Thad Matta and on top of that schools like Indiana and Michigan. Big 10 has a lot weakness at the bottom.He also wouldn't have failed before at a similar job. Weber got a lot more time, likability aside, at Illinois because he had succeeded at SIU immediately prior. Just needed to get his high major legs.
again, i wonder just how much oscar really failed in the big ten. at least relative to expectations. the big ten he walked into is much different than the big ten he left. when he was coaching at illinois, the big ten was typically the fourth or fifth best league in the country. it was that way throughout his tenure. in his final two years (and the ensuing two years after) the big ten was the toughest conference. no matter what he does, he's not surpassing izzo, bo, beilein or matta. all those coaches are more talented and have better, more established programs. in his final season, the year everything went wrong, he played the 7th, 3rd, 10th, 23rd, 28th, 2nd, 23rd and 7th best teams in a six-week stretch to close the season. things went poorly...but it wasn't unsurprising. he didn't have a top 15 caliber team that can hang with those teams, especially not on the road.
this year, it's the same story. by season's end, k-state...a team that on paper isn't a top 25 team...will have played 11 teams rated 25th or better in big 12 play. they've won four of the seven so far, and with a team that's in apparent disarray. the tcu and texas tech losses...awful...obviously. and again, oscar sucks, he's unlikable, his sideline demeanor is the worst of any coach i've ever seen, etc.
but going forward, k-state...with oscar...with any coach...is not going to be a consistent, every year top-5 team in this league. it just isn't going to happen.
He also wouldn't have failed before at a similar job. Weber got a lot more time, likability aside, at Illinois because he had succeeded at SIU immediately prior. Just needed to get his high major legs.
again, i wonder just how much oscar really failed in the big ten. at least relative to expectations. the big ten he walked into is much different than the big ten he left. when he was coaching at illinois, the big ten was typically the fourth or fifth best league in the country. it was that way throughout his tenure. in his final two years (and the ensuing two years after) the big ten was the toughest conference. no matter what he does, he's not surpassing izzo, bo, beilein or matta. all those coaches are more talented and have better, more established programs. in his final season, the year everything went wrong, he played the 7th, 3rd, 10th, 23rd, 28th, 2nd, 23rd and 7th best teams in a six-week stretch to close the season. things went poorly...but it wasn't unsurprising. he didn't have a top 15 caliber team that can hang with those teams, especially not on the road.
this year, it's the same story. by season's end, k-state...a team that on paper isn't a top 25 team...will have played 11 teams rated 25th or better in big 12 play. they've won four of the seven so far, and with a team that's in apparent disarray. the tcu and texas tech losses...awful...obviously. and again, oscar sucks, he's unlikable, his sideline demeanor is the worst of any coach i've ever seen, etc.
but going forward, k-state...with oscar...with any coach...is not going to be a consistent, every year top-5 team in this league. it just isn't going to happen.
no matter what he does, he's not surpassing izzo, bo, beilein or matta. all those coaches are more talented
He also wouldn't have failed before at a similar job. Weber got a lot more time, likability aside, at Illinois because he had succeeded at SIU immediately prior. Just needed to get his high major legs.
again, i wonder just how much oscar really failed in the big ten. at least relative to expectations. the big ten he walked into is much different than the big ten he left. when he was coaching at illinois, the big ten was typically the fourth or fifth best league in the country. it was that way throughout his tenure. in his final two years (and the ensuing two years after) the big ten was the toughest conference. no matter what he does, he's not surpassing izzo, bo, beilein or matta. all those coaches are more talented and have better, more established programs. in his final season, the year everything went wrong, he played the 7th, 3rd, 10th, 23rd, 28th, 2nd, 23rd and 7th best teams in a six-week stretch to close the season. things went poorly...but it wasn't unsurprising. he didn't have a top 15 caliber team that can hang with those teams, especially not on the road.
this year, it's the same story. by season's end, k-state...a team that on paper isn't a top 25 team...will have played 11 teams rated 25th or better in big 12 play. they've won four of the seven so far, and with a team that's in apparent disarray. the tcu and texas tech losses...awful...obviously. and again, oscar sucks, he's unlikable, his sideline demeanor is the worst of any coach i've ever seen, etc.
but going forward, k-state...with oscar...with any coach...is not going to be a consistent, every year top-5 team in this league. it just isn't going to happen.
The big 10 of today is as good as it's ever been, better even. So 9th is really 4th, maybe 3rd if you really think about it. Here I am getting fired after finishing the season in 3rd place.
He also wouldn't have failed before at a similar job. Weber got a lot more time, likability aside, at Illinois because he had succeeded at SIU immediately prior. Just needed to get his high major legs.
again, i wonder just how much oscar really failed in the big ten. at least relative to expectations. the big ten he walked into is much different than the big ten he left. when he was coaching at illinois, the big ten was typically the fourth or fifth best league in the country. it was that way throughout his tenure. in his final two years (and the ensuing two years after) the big ten was the toughest conference. no matter what he does, he's not surpassing izzo, bo, beilein or matta. all those coaches are more talented and have better, more established programs. in his final season, the year everything went wrong, he played the 7th, 3rd, 10th, 23rd, 28th, 2nd, 23rd and 7th best teams in a six-week stretch to close the season. things went poorly...but it wasn't unsurprising. he didn't have a top 15 caliber team that can hang with those teams, especially not on the road.
this year, it's the same story. by season's end, k-state...a team that on paper isn't a top 25 team...will have played 11 teams rated 25th or better in big 12 play. they've won four of the seven so far, and with a team that's in apparent disarray. the tcu and texas tech losses...awful...obviously. and again, oscar sucks, he's unlikable, his sideline demeanor is the worst of any coach i've ever seen, etc.
but going forward, k-state...with oscar...with any coach...is not going to be a consistent, every year top-5 team in this league. it just isn't going to happen.
That's just not true at all. I mean, literally, our last coach just did that very thing.
He also wouldn't have failed before at a similar job. Weber got a lot more time, likability aside, at Illinois because he had succeeded at SIU immediately prior. Just needed to get his high major legs.
again, i wonder just how much oscar really failed in the big ten. at least relative to expectations. the big ten he walked into is much different than the big ten he left. when he was coaching at illinois, the big ten was typically the fourth or fifth best league in the country. it was that way throughout his tenure. in his final two years (and the ensuing two years after) the big ten was the toughest conference. no matter what he does, he's not surpassing izzo, bo, beilein or matta. all those coaches are more talented and have better, more established programs. in his final season, the year everything went wrong, he played the 7th, 3rd, 10th, 23rd, 28th, 2nd, 23rd and 7th best teams in a six-week stretch to close the season. things went poorly...but it wasn't unsurprising. he didn't have a top 15 caliber team that can hang with those teams, especially not on the road.
this year, it's the same story. by season's end, k-state...a team that on paper isn't a top 25 team...will have played 11 teams rated 25th or better in big 12 play. they've won four of the seven so far, and with a team that's in apparent disarray. the tcu and texas tech losses...awful...obviously. and again, oscar sucks, he's unlikable, his sideline demeanor is the worst of any coach i've ever seen, etc.
but going forward, k-state...with oscar...with any coach...is not going to be a consistent, every year top-5 team in this league. it just isn't going to happen.
That's just not true at all. I mean, literally, our last coach just did that very thing.
Frank Martin's Big 12 was far easier than the Big 12 of the present and future.
Far easier? Mizzou was a top 25 team, UT was probably better, Baylor was relatively similar, A&M was solid. The only major change would probably be ISU's emergence from mediocrity to not as shitty. It's not like we have any great teams in the Big 12 right now. 2009-10 Cats would win this conference.He also wouldn't have failed before at a similar job. Weber got a lot more time, likability aside, at Illinois because he had succeeded at SIU immediately prior. Just needed to get his high major legs.
again, i wonder just how much oscar really failed in the big ten. at least relative to expectations. the big ten he walked into is much different than the big ten he left. when he was coaching at illinois, the big ten was typically the fourth or fifth best league in the country. it was that way throughout his tenure. in his final two years (and the ensuing two years after) the big ten was the toughest conference. no matter what he does, he's not surpassing izzo, bo, beilein or matta. all those coaches are more talented and have better, more established programs. in his final season, the year everything went wrong, he played the 7th, 3rd, 10th, 23rd, 28th, 2nd, 23rd and 7th best teams in a six-week stretch to close the season. things went poorly...but it wasn't unsurprising. he didn't have a top 15 caliber team that can hang with those teams, especially not on the road.
this year, it's the same story. by season's end, k-state...a team that on paper isn't a top 25 team...will have played 11 teams rated 25th or better in big 12 play. they've won four of the seven so far, and with a team that's in apparent disarray. the tcu and texas tech losses...awful...obviously. and again, oscar sucks, he's unlikable, his sideline demeanor is the worst of any coach i've ever seen, etc.
but going forward, k-state...with oscar...with any coach...is not going to be a consistent, every year top-5 team in this league. it just isn't going to happen.
That's just not true at all. I mean, literally, our last coach just did that very thing.
Frank Martin's Big 12 was far easier than the Big 12 of the present and future.
This is why beems is so successful here. The low-hanging grapes of gE.
Well that sucks. I guess that makes me a low hanging grape :blush: Maybe if I practice real hard I can be one of the cool bros on a message board :thumbsup:This is why beems is so successful here. The low-hanging grapes of gE.
yeah. j rake is going straight up :Take the Bait:
Pretty sure he's not fishing. If he is, then good for him, I'm an idiot and he got me.
Missouri, KU, and Baylor were all in the top ten Frank's final year, and he finished in the top five of the Big XII...with a freshman point guard.
Pretty sure he's not fishing. If he is, then good for him, I'm an idiot and he got me.
no, i'm not. i really am this stupid!
He also wouldn't have failed before at a similar job. Weber got a lot more time, likability aside, at Illinois because he had succeeded at SIU immediately prior. Just needed to get his high major legs.
again, i wonder just how much oscar really failed in the big ten. at least relative to expectations. the big ten he walked into is much different than the big ten he left. when he was coaching at illinois, the big ten was typically the fourth or fifth best league in the country. it was that way throughout his tenure. in his final two years (and the ensuing two years after) the big ten was the toughest conference. no matter what he does, he's not surpassing izzo, bo, beilein or matta. all those coaches are more talented and have better, more established programs. in his final season, the year everything went wrong, he played the 7th, 3rd, 10th, 23rd, 28th, 2nd, 23rd and 7th best teams in a six-week stretch to close the season. things went poorly...but it wasn't unsurprising. he didn't have a top 15 caliber team that can hang with those teams, especially not on the road.
this year, it's the same story. by season's end, k-state...a team that on paper isn't a top 25 team...will have played 11 teams rated 25th or better in big 12 play. they've won four of the seven so far, and with a team that's in apparent disarray. the tcu and texas tech losses...awful...obviously. and again, oscar sucks, he's unlikable, his sideline demeanor is the worst of any coach i've ever seen, etc.
but going forward, k-state...with oscar...with any coach...is not going to be a consistent, every year top-5 team in this league. it just isn't going to happen.
That's just not true at all. I mean, literally, our last coach just did that very thing.
Frank Martin's Big 12 was far easier than the Big 12 of the present and future.
Missouri, KU, and Baylor were all in the top ten Frank's final year, and he finished in the top five of the Big XII...with a freshman point guard.
that was arguably the best team in school history. i'm not arguing that k-state is incapable of putting together a solid team. any team in this league, even tcu, is capable of putting a top-10 caliber team on the floor. but to sustain that success...year after year with the desired (demanded?) consistency...it's not happening.