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Title: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: renocat on February 18, 2015, 12:48:24 AM
A group calling themselves uncorkers are pushing for liquor sales in grocery stores and WALMART like stores.  I do not support this.  IMO it will run small mom and pop liquor stores out of business.  Plus we do not need to teach kids that liquor and assorted hooch are groceries.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: star seed 7 on February 18, 2015, 12:56:56 AM
Capitalism
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Post by: nicname on February 18, 2015, 01:05:37 AM
Plus we do not need to teach kids that liquor and assorted hooch are groceries.

 :lol:

But yeah, I'm against it.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 18, 2015, 01:13:00 AM
I'm against it. There is a liquor store within a block of any grocery store. It's not inconvenient. Sure, it's a terrible law, but we've established this terrible law and let people build their livelihoods on a terrible law and now we're gonna pull the rug from under them. This is the kroger people and the hy-vee people setting their dicks on the table.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: sys on February 18, 2015, 01:45:28 AM
i'm amazed that people can be against this policy.  truly, people will grasp any straw to avoid change.
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Post by: jtksu on February 18, 2015, 02:44:04 AM
i'm amazed that people can be against this policy.  truly, people will grasp any straw to avoid change.

This change would actually make it more convenient for people.   That's not the point.   Lots of people are tired of big companies like Kroger and WalMart putting everyone else out of business.  Im one of them.   I'll gladly pay a bit more to keep locally owned businesses afloat.   Im a bit surprised you're pro big business.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: slackcat on February 18, 2015, 04:59:15 AM
Would put my friends out of business.  No more info on what's new or exceptional on the ale front, no more special orders, no more conversation. 
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Post by: Cire on February 18, 2015, 06:00:24 AM
Yeah selection goes way down.  The giant stores would survive
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Kat Kid on February 18, 2015, 06:28:45 AM
The good liquor stores will stay open.  The grocers will also have a huge selection.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 18, 2015, 06:43:11 AM
I live in Missouri and they sell booze everywhere. Price Chopper, CVS, Quick Trip, everywhere. There are also many successful liquor stores open near my house. Liquor store owners will just have to adapt.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Asteriskhead on February 18, 2015, 07:18:47 AM
A group calling themselves uncorkers are pushing for liquor sales in grocery stores and WALMART like stores.  I do not support this.  IMO it will run small mom and pop liquor stores out of business.  Plus we do not need to teach kids that liquor and assorted hooch are groceries.

well, it is a carbohydrate.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: CNS on February 18, 2015, 07:51:42 AM
The local beer ppl tell me that this will be the end of a good craft beer selection.  I don't agree for everywhere, but it probably will be for towns that are small yet big enough for a Wal-Mart. 

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Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2015, 07:58:13 AM
Yeah, you just can't find a good craft beer in places like California where this is already the law.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: CNS on February 18, 2015, 08:31:26 AM
Did you see my note on small towns?  I mean  sure I will be able to drive to overland park to get it(abt 25min) but in a town that runs on Busch, Coors, and bud light, Wal-Mart will probably grab up all those sales due to price, and  leave the guy next door trying to pay rent without selling much of that.  Good luck in a blue collar town, imo. 

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Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: CNS on February 18, 2015, 08:34:45 AM
I would be fine w this law if they lifted other liquor laws  like letting me order stuff online and have it delivered to me rather than a liquor store(current KS law) and having  to pay them a mark up for doing that.

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Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Fedor on February 18, 2015, 08:44:54 AM
I have a batch of hootch in the primary bubbling away right now.  Do whatever you want lawmakers.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2015, 10:25:24 AM
Did you see my note on small towns?  I mean  sure I will be able to drive to overland park to get it(abt 25min) but in a town that runs on Busch, Coors, and bud light, Wal-Mart will probably grab up all those sales due to price, and  leave the guy next door trying to pay rent without selling much of that.  Good luck in a blue collar town, imo. 

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I wasn't directly referring to you, but I think a  town large enough for a wal mart would have a market for a stand alone liquor store that has craft beer. My local Safeway has a huge selection of craft beer, and the other local chains have decent options. In just about every small town California gas station you have some selection of craft beer. I don't know why that would be significantly different in Kansas.

In smaller towns than that, the grocery stores will likely be approachable enough to take requests. When my mom found out she had a gluten allergy, she just talked to a manager who would stock about whatever she wanted.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: star seed 7 on February 18, 2015, 10:29:02 AM
Alcohol in the grocery store is nice, mixers/garnishes at the liquor store is even better.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Spracne on February 18, 2015, 10:44:48 AM
Walmart doesn't run mom and pop out of town. You and me run them out by opting for lower prices and better selection.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2015, 10:50:16 AM
This is going to pass.  Ask anyone at the local packie and they are preparigng for it.
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Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 18, 2015, 10:53:03 AM
Will this make it easier to spend food stamps on alcohol?
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Post by: Tobias on February 18, 2015, 10:55:37 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 18, 2015, 11:00:27 AM
The glass is always half full in KSUW's world.

But really, cannot wait to see the look I get when I ask some dipshit at my local Hen House where they keep the EH Taylor Single Barrel.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: 8manpick on February 18, 2015, 11:00:29 AM
Kansans clinging to big government regulation
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 18, 2015, 11:40:31 AM
The glass is always half full in KSUW's world.

But really, cannot wait to see the look I get when I ask some dipshit at my local Hen House where they keep the EH Taylor Single Barrel.

Which is why good liquor stores will do just fine. Will this law also allow liquor stores to sell non-alcohol items? That would only be fair.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: CNS on February 18, 2015, 11:47:33 AM
Did you see my note on small towns?  I mean  sure I will be able to drive to overland park to get it(abt 25min) but in a town that runs on Busch, Coors, and bud light, Wal-Mart will probably grab up all those sales due to price, and  leave the guy next door trying to pay rent without selling much of that.  Good luck in a blue collar town, imo. 

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I wasn't directly referring to you, but I think a  town large enough for a wal mart would have a market for a stand alone liquor store that has craft beer. My local Safeway has a huge selection of craft beer, and the other local chains have decent options. In just about every small town California gas station you have some selection of craft beer. I don't know why that would be significantly different in Kansas.

In smaller towns than that, the grocery stores will likely be approachable enough to take requests. When my mom found out she had a gluten allergy, she just talked to a manager who would stock about whatever she wanted.

It will at least change the way it is shopped for by some(me at least) in that I rarely know what I am looking for.  I go in and see what they have that is new. 

Again, I think is it silly to let walmart sell it but not have it delivered to my door after ordering over the internet. 
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2015, 11:50:02 AM



Again, I think is it silly to let walmart sell it but not have it delivered to my door after ordering over the internet.

It would be a lot more difficult to verify age that way.

Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: star seed 7 on February 18, 2015, 11:51:56 AM
Separate point, but the age limit should be changed as well (same with gambling)
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Brock Landers on February 18, 2015, 11:53:14 AM
The glass is always half full in KSUW's world.

But really, cannot wait to see the look I get when I ask some dipshit at my local Hen House where they keep the EH Taylor Single Barrel.

Which is why good liquor stores will do just fine. Will this law also allow liquor stores to sell non-alcohol items? That would only be fair.

It's my understanding that liquor stores will be allowed to sell mixers and "snacks". 

I honestly don't care about this very much since booze purchases don't count towards Dillons Fuel Points.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 18, 2015, 11:53:29 AM
The token they're throwing the liquor stores as a goodbye present for years of anti-competitive protection is that big boxes will have to purchase their retail license from an existing store.

Most of the liquor store owners whining about this putting them out of business should probably be thanking the state for propping their shitty businesses for so many years. There are a lot of crap liquor stores that exist because there's no dollar general or Walmart convenient.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2015, 11:54:13 AM
Separate point, but the age limit should be changed as well (same with gambling)

I'd be OK with this if they made the driving age 21. I've said this many times, teenagers are freaking morons.

Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Asteriskhead on February 18, 2015, 11:58:22 AM
Separate point, but the age limit should be changed as well (same with gambling)

Both should be higher.

Edit: didn't read Michi's post beforehand. High five, bud!
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2015, 12:05:53 PM
The token they're throwing the liquor stores as a goodbye present for years of anti-competitive protection is that big boxes will have to purchase their retail license from an existing store.

Most of the liquor store owners whining about this putting them out of business should probably be thanking the state for propping their shitty businesses for so many years. There are a lot of crap liquor stores that exist because there's no dollar general or Walmart convenient.

spot on
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Reboulet on February 18, 2015, 12:16:05 PM
http://cjonline.com/news/2015-02-12/opponents-weigh-expanded-liquor-sales (http://cjonline.com/news/2015-02-12/opponents-weigh-expanded-liquor-sales)

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The legislation would allow grocery stores to sell full-strength beer, as well as wine and liquor. Convenience stores would also be allowed to sell full-strength beer. But the number of liquor licenses would be capped, requiring grocery stores that want to increase their alcoholic options to purchase a license — and boosting the value of the licenses held by liquor stores.

In addition, liquor stores would be allowed to sell nonalcoholic products.

Under current law, grocery and convenience stores may sell 3.2 percent alcohol malt beverages. Liquor stores are also not allowed to sell nonalcoholic products.

The problem with the bill is the liquor license cap. It makes the license valuable enough for a small-time store owner to cash out by selling to Dillon's and retiring. But you can be sure that no individual could ever offer enough money to buy an existing license from an entity like Dillon's, so no new mom & pop liquor stores could ever come into existence.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: CNS on February 18, 2015, 12:18:46 PM
The cap is really stupid. 

That said, I will probably go file for a liquor license today the low ball the locals to walmart.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: nicname on February 18, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
I live in Missouri and they sell booze everywhere. Price Chopper, CVS, Quick Trip, everywhere. There are also many successful liquor stores open near my house. Liquor store owners will just have to adapt.

I think the quality and selection of liquor stores on the KS side of the KC metro is much greater than the MO side. Not that I didn't take advantage of Midnight runs to the grocery store for booze on many occasions.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: star seed 7 on February 18, 2015, 02:16:39 PM
I drove a mile to mo liquor store instead of three blocks to the one by my house in ks because the selection was better
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 18, 2015, 02:36:17 PM
Go to a Berbiglia, any of them, and look into the future of liquor sales in KS. They're shitty.
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Post by: Skipper44 on February 18, 2015, 03:10:25 PM
I drove a mile to mo liquor store instead of three blocks to the one by my house in ks because the selection was better
I do that all the time and have been curious to find the Price Choppers out south all have inferior selection to the Price Choppers & Hy-Vee's in Brookside and even Lee's Summit, etc.  Also, the selection at Target & Walmart at 135th & Stateline is underwhelming.  World Market is BITB for good value wine and has a decent selection of somewhat overpriced beer but nothing is cold.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Skipper44 on February 18, 2015, 03:26:11 PM



Again, I think is it silly to let walmart sell it but not have it delivered to my door after ordering over the internet.

It would be a lot more difficult to verify age that way.
wineries can ship wine to Kansas now, UPS does requires someone that is 21 sign for it tho.  Is this not an option if you want to ship beer or spirits?
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: CNS on February 18, 2015, 03:29:23 PM
Last I checked, no.  It has be accepted by someone with a license, who then can charge you basically any sort of a handling fee.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: slackcat on February 18, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
The cap is really stupid. 

That said, I will probably go file for a liquor license today the low ball the locals to walmart.

I looked into doing just that.  eff!!  Talk about regulatory bullshit.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 18, 2015, 05:19:25 PM
Last I checked, no.  It has be accepted by someone with a license, who then can charge you basically any sort of a handling fee.

They do this with guns as well.
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2015, 05:25:40 PM
Last I checked, no.  It has be accepted by someone with a license, who then can charge you basically any sort of a handling fee.

They do this with guns as well.

Even gifted guns.  I had a shotgun shipped from pops sent to the Bullet Hole, they didn't charge me
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Saulbadguy on February 18, 2015, 06:52:24 PM
Go to a Berbiglia, any of them, and look into the future of liquor sales in KS. They're shitty.
Gomer's tho
Title: Re: Cork Up the Uncorkers
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 18, 2015, 09:04:10 PM
Last I checked, no.  It has be accepted by someone with a license, who then can charge you basically any sort of a handling fee.

They do this with guns as well.

Even gifted guns.  I had a shotgun shipped from pops sent to the Bullet Hole, they didn't charge me

That was nice of hem not to charge. Usually it's $25-50