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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Powercat Posse on January 27, 2015, 08:21:55 PM
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Shooting under 50% in B12 play. His rebound numbers are down. Seems like he is missing countless shots inside close. I thought Malik played better than him 2nite.
Dissapointing and pathetic at times from the Senior
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I think the most frustrating thing from him is that he has never developed his right hand. He could have become such a force inside if only he had a right hand. He's been so predictable his whole career.
I don't think it's helped much that oscar Weber has been the coach almost his whole career. oscar's offense just doesn't set up well for post players. It also doesn't help that we haven't had many, if any, good supportive or better post players to compliment him.
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His regression has been remarkable.
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Hes a 6'6.5" center. He can only do so much.
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Hes a 6'6.5" center. He can only do so much.
FWIW, he hasn't really done much.
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a memorable senior campaign for sure
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I hope oscar throws him under the bus in post game
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Hes a 6'6.5" center. He can only do so much.
That's a lame excuse. He is 260-265 pounds and has some skills offensively.
He had 5 FGs or more in half of the Big12 games last year. He's done it in 1 Big 12 this year.
He hasn't had a really good game in a while IMO
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It's really odd to see a senior post player regress in his senior year with oscar.
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I don't like this thread one little bit
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He's not nearly as bad as you guys imply here. He's still got decent scoring and boarding rates and he plays a lot of minutes. He'll get going in Big 12 play.
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He runs funny and gets wore out easily. Kinda slow.
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He runs funny and gets wore out easily. Kinda slow.
So, you're suggesting Frank would've been better for Gip? At least he'd be in better shape.
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He runs funny and gets wore out easily. Kinda slow.
So, you're suggesting Frank would've been better for Gip? At least he'd be in better shape.
I'm still confused on why people like Gip so much. Bottom line is he is lazy. Doesn't matter who the coach is he'd still be slow and get worn out easily.
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he's fine, but I thought he would be a lot better as a senior. seems like he's content or something. whatever.
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He's mainly just shooting less this year - I'm guessing a big reason is the emergence/improvement of Nino. He's shooting better, getting to the line more, and rebounding a little less.
I'm sure the fact that we turn it over quite a bit more and play at a slower pace also affect the perception that he's regressing.
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He's mainly just shooting less this year - I'm guessing a big reason is the emergence/improvement of Nino. He's shooting better, getting to the line more, and rebounding a little less.
I'm sure the fact that we turn it over quite a bit more and play at a slower pace also affect the perception that he's regressing.
Probably right. He's a role player. Always was, always will be.
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Another factor is he played a lot of minutes with decent to good three point shooters in Shane and Will, whose minutes were replaced by largely bad shooters. He's much easier to double this year for that reason.
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Another factor is he played a lot of minutes with decent to good three point shooters in Shane and Will, whose minutes were replaced by largely bad shooters. He's much easier to double this year for that reason.
Good point, the fact that he is facing so many double teams is a statement on how poor our offense is.
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I don't care what anybody thinks, I still like Gip as a player. He's the most JYC-iest of the 'Cats on the current roster (edges out Nino).
He had a solid line today: 19 and 7. I'm sure he knows where he could've improved today (on D and from the line), but he isn't disappointing to me.
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I am proud of Gip for continuing to play hard, he spent the whole non con pinning dudes down low and not getting the ball. It seems like this has improved a little in conference play tho
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He's mainly just shooting less this year - I'm guessing a big reason is the emergence/improvement of Nino. He's shooting better, getting to the line more, and rebounding a little less.
I'm sure the fact that we turn it over quite a bit more and play at a slower pace also affect the perception that he's regressing.
He was last yr's nino.
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0-7 FGs. He missed 1-2 other shots where he barely got fouled and couldn't make an easy shot
Pathetic Senior. Pathetic "5 men" Gip/Hurt 0-10 today
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I have never seen a player who does not know when a double/triple team is coming and has no idea how to get out it. Ill put part of that blame on Weber for apparently not teaching that!
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I love gip and I won't stand for this slander
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Great last play call. Getting the ball to gip so that he could end the game the same way he played it throughout, getting bigboyed by any TX post available.
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Massive irl loser pussies calling a starting and fairly accomplished D1 basketball player pathetic is always a treat.
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Meh. These losses have a familiarity to them though. Picking out/ focusing on certain plays instead of looking at the bigger picture.
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Gip looks so sad all the time now. Like why did I come to k state type sadness
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Meh. These losses have a familiarity to them though. Picking out/ focusing on certain plays instead of looking at the bigger picture.
Agreed. We looked like crap in the paint the entire game.
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Tons of peeps on here ripped on Spradling last year when he went 0-5 ( 0-4 from 3pt). Gip needs to put his big boy pants on and play like a SR/leader. 0-7 FG when u shoot mainly inside 5 feet is just down right bad. He doesn't look like he cares at times either.
I like Gip. Just dissapointed his play is what it is this year
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gip def cares. There is a big diff btwn not caring and not being able to shoot over Ibeh and Miles
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No cns he should be able to singlehandedly overcome a massive frontcourt that runs four deep. I don't understand how you can't see that. It's like you're not a complete downs baby or something.
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gip def cares. There is a big diff btwn not caring and not being able to shoot over Ibeh and Miles
He's had 1 really good B12 game... And it came at Ku...our hardest conf (and least likely to win gm) all year. He is shooting under 45% from the field in conf. His body language ( like other teammates) is terrible at times
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Gip was good v ku because Bill played him 1 on 1. It sure as crap isn't Gip's fault everyone else can double him with no negative consequences. The majority of the time he is doubled in the post and we have a grand total of one 3pt threat on the floor. What a joke.
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Gip is great, he was put in an unwinnable situation by his horrible person coach.
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gip def cares. There is a big diff btwn not caring and not being able to shoot over Ibeh and Miles
:thumbs:
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Emotions are running high seeing our program go to crap so I'm going to look the other way when otherwise reasonable people say stupid crap about players that they know aren't true. It's still kind of sad to see it happen regardless of circumstance.
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I mean, Gip does suck, but it's not because he doesn't care. It's because like all the other players in our program, he should be playing in the MVC.
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i wouldnt go that far. if we had a good coach our players would be flourishing right now.
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Our roster without Foster makes it really hard on him. He doesn't suck (far from it, actually), but he's probably not a great first option on a big 12 team.
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I mean, Gip does suck, but it's not because he doesn't care. It's because like all the other players in our program, he should be playing in the MVC.
You know gip is a big 12 caliber player, shame on you.
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Our roster without Foster makes it really hard on him. He doesn't suck (far from it, actually), but he's probably not a great first option on a big 12 team.
Like most post players Gip is helped by having an outside threat or two that the defense keys on, but even more so because he's 6-7 or whatever. I think most teams are going to guard Tre Harris, but they are still willing to let him beat them because he probably can't (and hadn't in two games). Plus, UT has really good interior defense and is the best shot blocking team in the league, blocking over 1/5 of 2PT attempts in Big 12 play.
This makes the final play even more mindnumbing.
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about that final play (or I think it was the final play), oscar calls the TO. 20 seconds later they show a shot of Barnes and his team huddled around a clip board. Next, they cut to a shot of oscar, Chet and Chris talking things over nowhere near the rest of the team :lol: Not sure if previously discussed, but a common theme of this season's time outs appears to be oscar and Chet arguing about what to do which is very lulz
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Losing players and coaches.
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I love gip and I won't stand for this slander
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Gip has been overrated for most of his career for some reason, he's like 6'6", he can't rebound that well in the B12 and gets blocked a ton, and plays meh defense, he's decent, but he's not great or anything.
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Gip has been overrated for most of his career for some reason, he's like 6'6", he can't rebound that well in the B12 and gets blocked a ton, and plays meh defense, he's decent, but he's not great or anything.
That's about how he's always been rated, although (I think) he's a better rebounder than you insinuate. I'd have to look up the numbers.
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Our roster without Foster makes it really hard on him. He doesn't suck (far from it, actually), but he's probably not a great first option on a big 12 team.
Like most post players Gip is helped by having an outside threat or two that the defense keys on, but even more so because he's 6-7 or whatever. I think most teams are going to guard Tre Harris, but they are still willing to let him beat them because he probably can't (and hadn't in two games). Plus, UT has really good interior defense and is the best shot blocking team in the league, blocking over 1/5 of 2PT attempts in Big 12 play.
This makes the final play even more mindnumbing.
Final play was simply terrible. Anyone halfway watching that game knew our bigs did absolutely nothing in the paint all day. Bottom line on Gip yesterday is that he was physically overmatched.
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Gip is an okay rebounder, Nino and Hurt are better.
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Gip is an okay rebounder, Nino and Hurt are better.
Gip used to be better, which is kind of strange.
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Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy
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Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy
That's usually the best strategy. As long as your best player can create his own shot.
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Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy
That's usually the best strategy. As long as your best player can create his own shot.
Few players can create a higher percentage shot on their own than you can get by running a competent play.
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With no actual data and just going off what I remember, it doesn't seem to work out well when oscar draws something up at the ends of halves/games.
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Gip is an okay rebounder, Nino and Hurt are better.
Gip used to be better, which is kind of strange.
Part of the problem on the defensive end is our opponent's shooting 49.9%, the worst since Wooly's 05 team. Fewer missed shots means fewer rebound opportunities.
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Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy
That's usually the best strategy. As long as your best player can create his own shot.
Few players can create a higher percentage shot on their own than you can get by running a competent play.
I think it depends a lot on the situation. Coming out of a timeout, you're probably right. But I would almost always prefer to not call a timeout and trust your players to make a good decision while the defense isn't fully set up and there's still a bit of chaos. Obviously without Foster, that's hard on this team.
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Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy
That's usually the best strategy. As long as your best player can create his own shot.
See Foster vs OU.
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Gip is an okay rebounder, Nino and Hurt are better.
Gip used to be better, which is kind of strange.
Part of the problem on the defensive end is our opponent's shooting 49.9%, the worst since Wooly's 05 team. Fewer missed shots means fewer rebound opportunities.
His rebounding percentages used to be quite a bit higher. I can understand why his OR% would drop after playing for Frank and with Angel, but not his DR%.
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That was my point. Teams we play don't miss as many shots so Gip isn't going to get as many boards. Plus I'm sure opponents game plan to keep him off the boards on both ends. Especially since Nino is out only other good rebounder that plays much.
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That was my point. Teams we play don't miss as many shots so Gip isn't going to get as many boards. Plus I'm sure opponents game plan to keep him off the boards on both ends. Especially since Nino is out only other good rebounder that plays much.
DR% isn't affected by number of misses. Or more precisely, fewer DR opportunities does not influence DR%.
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True, my logic was flawed there.
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Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy
That's usually the best strategy. As long as your best player can create his own shot.
Few players can create a higher percentage shot on their own than you can get by running a competent play.
I think it depends a lot on the situation. Coming out of a timeout, you're probably right. But I would almost always prefer to not call a timeout and trust your players to make a good decision while the defense isn't fully set up and there's still a bit of chaos. Obviously without Foster, that's hard on this team.
Yea, I meant out of a time out. I agree with letting them play in most situations.
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And even out of a time out, I'd probably prefer either an iso or pick and roll with my best non-post player. Defenses at the college level are generally too good for a coach to draw up an automatic layup more than once or twice a game.
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With no actual data and just going off what I remember, it doesn't seem to work out well when oscar draws something up at the ends of halves/games.
Yep. Knew we were mumped when the TO was called.
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Gipson is an average Big 12 Power Forward. He has generally been miscast as a center. It is a weird situation (in my opinion a bad one).
Sometimes oscar has adapted by having our stretch 4 guys guard the other teams center, like Shane Southwell guarding Isaiah Austin.
Against a team like Texas, Gipson is probably going to have problems. We did see Hurt and Gipson on the floor at the same time for a brief time but in general Gip gets thrown to the wolves. Considering the situation, I think Gipson handled it well.
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And even out of a time out, I'd probably prefer either an iso or pick and roll with my best non-post player. Defenses at the college level are generally too good for a coach to draw up an automatic layup more than once or twice a game.
I don't think you get an automatic layup, but I think you can play to a team or player's strength on a set play. I just get tired of the mindset that, as an example, "Dirk needs to take the last shot." If the best chance of scoring was just getting the ball to the best player and that player shooting contested shots, teams should do that the whole game.
All of that said, some of Weber's set plays have been just horrible.
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Seriously...Look how easy it is to run a last-second play to get a wide open shot!
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My favorite part of Gipson's game is his hilarious ability to miss and-1's. It's remarkable.
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I feel bad for Gip. He always played hard here and his senior year was overshadowed by idiots. I like him and wish he wasn't a part of this dumpster for his own sake.
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I feel there is a tremendous rage inside Gip at times and I commend him for keeping it under control
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https://twitter.com/Big12Conference/status/568521704655360000
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The mile run story really got me going.
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Yeah, running a mile is a great indicator of your basketball ability.
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I play basketball for like an hour and a half three days a week and one time I tried to jog a mile and I thought I was going to die. The human body is weird.
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I play basketball for like an hour and a half three days a week and one time I tried to jog a mile and I thought I was going to die. The human body is weird.
Just the knees actually.
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I play basketball for like an hour and a half three days a week and one time I tried to jog a mile and I thought I was going to die. The human body is weird.
I run multiple times a week and play basketball once. Basketball absolutely kills me.
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I play basketball for like an hour and a half three days a week and one time I tried to jog a mile and I thought I was going to die. The human body is weird.
Just the knees actually.
my knees are fine because my lungs are burning before I run enough in a straight line to make my knees sore.
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It's because you don't play defense
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It's because you don't play defense
I'm the rough ridin' best defender on the court you piece of crap
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It's because you don't play defense
I'm the rough ridin' best defender on the court you piece of crap
ok
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currently i could probably play 1-2 games of pickup playing PG and be fine, but running a mile non-stop, probably not
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Define "playing PG" and "fine"
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Define "playing PG" and "fine"
watch a warriors game and focus on #30 and you will get a pretty good idea