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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2015, 11:58:37 AM »
Gip is an okay rebounder, Nino and Hurt are better.
Gip used to be better, which is kind of strange.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #51 on: February 08, 2015, 12:08:25 PM »
Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #52 on: February 08, 2015, 12:14:14 PM »
Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy
That's usually the best strategy. As long as your best player can create his own shot.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #53 on: February 08, 2015, 12:25:22 PM »
Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy
That's usually the best strategy. As long as your best player can create his own shot.

Few players can create a higher percentage shot on their own than you can get by running a competent play. 

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2015, 12:27:20 PM »
With no actual data and just going off what I remember, it doesn't seem to work out well when oscar draws something up at the ends of halves/games.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2015, 12:33:36 PM »

Gip is an okay rebounder, Nino and Hurt are better.
Gip used to be better, which is kind of strange.

Part of the problem on the defensive end is our opponent's shooting 49.9%, the worst since Wooly's 05 team. Fewer missed shots means fewer rebound opportunities.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #56 on: February 08, 2015, 12:33:57 PM »


Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy
That's usually the best strategy. As long as your best player can create his own shot.

Few players can create a higher percentage shot on their own than you can get by running a competent play.

I think it depends a lot on the situation. Coming out of a timeout, you're probably right. But I would almost always prefer to not call a timeout and trust your players to make a good decision while the defense isn't fully set up and there's still a bit of chaos. Obviously without Foster, that's hard on this team.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #57 on: February 08, 2015, 12:34:56 PM »

Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy
That's usually the best strategy. As long as your best player can create his own shot.

See Foster vs OU.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2015, 12:35:51 PM »

Gip is an okay rebounder, Nino and Hurt are better.
Gip used to be better, which is kind of strange.

Part of the problem on the defensive end is our opponent's shooting 49.9%, the worst since Wooly's 05 team. Fewer missed shots means fewer rebound opportunities.
His rebounding percentages used to be quite a bit higher. I can understand why his OR% would drop after playing for Frank and with Angel, but not his DR%.

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Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2015, 12:38:06 PM »
That was my point. Teams we play don't miss as many shots so Gip isn't going to get as many boards. Plus I'm sure opponents game plan to keep him off the boards on both ends. Especially since Nino is out only other good rebounder that plays much.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2015, 12:41:44 PM »


That was my point. Teams we play don't miss as many shots so Gip isn't going to get as many boards. Plus I'm sure opponents game plan to keep him off the boards on both ends. Especially since Nino is out only other good rebounder that plays much.

DR% isn't affected by number of misses. Or more precisely, fewer DR opportunities does not influence DR%.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2015, 12:43:09 PM »
True, my logic was flawed there.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2015, 12:50:19 PM »


Get it to our best player and hope they figure it out = Weber/Wooly's late game strategy
That's usually the best strategy. As long as your best player can create his own shot.

Few players can create a higher percentage shot on their own than you can get by running a competent play.

I think it depends a lot on the situation. Coming out of a timeout, you're probably right. But I would almost always prefer to not call a timeout and trust your players to make a good decision while the defense isn't fully set up and there's still a bit of chaos. Obviously without Foster, that's hard on this team.

Yea, I meant out of a time out.  I agree with letting them play in most situations.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2015, 12:52:17 PM »
And even out of a time out, I'd probably prefer either an iso or pick and roll with my best non-post player. Defenses at the college level are generally too good for a coach to draw up an automatic layup more than once or twice a game.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2015, 12:55:55 PM »
With no actual data and just going off what I remember, it doesn't seem to work out well when oscar draws something up at the ends of halves/games.
Yep.  Knew we were mumped when the TO was called. 

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2015, 01:24:19 PM »
Gipson is an average Big 12  Power Forward.  He has generally been miscast as a center. It is a weird situation (in my opinion a bad one).

Sometimes oscar has adapted by having our stretch 4 guys guard the other teams center,  like Shane Southwell guarding Isaiah Austin.

Against a team like Texas, Gipson is probably going to have problems.  We did see Hurt and Gipson on the floor at the same time for a brief time but in general Gip gets thrown to the wolves. Considering the situation, I think Gipson handled it well. 
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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2015, 01:33:57 PM »
And even out of a time out, I'd probably prefer either an iso or pick and roll with my best non-post player. Defenses at the college level are generally too good for a coach to draw up an automatic layup more than once or twice a game.

I don't think you get an automatic layup, but I think you can play to a team or player's strength on a set play.  I just get tired of the mindset that, as an example, "Dirk needs to take the last shot."  If the best chance of scoring was just getting the ball to the best player and that player shooting contested shots, teams should do that the whole game. 

All of that said, some of Weber's set plays have been just horrible.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2015, 10:12:28 AM »



Seriously...Look how easy it is to run a last-second play to get a wide open shot!

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2015, 07:31:45 PM »
My favorite part of Gipson's game is his hilarious ability to miss and-1's. It's remarkable.
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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2015, 09:36:01 PM »
I feel bad for Gip. He always played hard here and his senior year was overshadowed by idiots. I like him and wish he wasn't a part of this dumpster for his own sake.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2015, 09:44:47 PM »
I feel there is a tremendous rage inside Gip at times and I commend him for keeping it under control

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2015, 03:54:33 PM »
The mile run story really got me going.
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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2015, 04:01:42 PM »
Yeah, running a mile is a great indicator of your basketball ability.

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Re: Gip is so disappointing
« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2015, 04:17:08 PM »
I play basketball for like an hour and a half three days a week and one time I tried to jog a mile and I thought I was going to die. The human body is weird.