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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 04, 2015, 01:40:55 PM
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I'll lay out the skeleton and throw in some guesses, and somebody else who's knows better as to what's going on can fill in the blanks
QB - Rocket Arm Human Tank Hubener - All Conf QB, Heisman Finalist
RB - Crazy Legs Jones
FB - Gronk Gronk, etc. - All Conf
RT - Kleinsorge?
LT - Whitehair - All Conf
RG - Hayes?
LG -
C - Liddle (eligibility? )
TE - some giant guy that blocks well
WR - Judah - super stud
WR - Deante
WR -
SDE - Willis - all conf
WDE - Bryant - good player
NT - Geary - all conf
DT - Britz
LB - Riddle
LB - Lee
LB/NB -
CB - Burns - all conf
CB - McDaniel
S - Prewitt
S - Barnett - all conf, major stud
K - McMoneymatic - Groza Award
P - WGAF, Walsh or whatever
Obviously we return a solid secondary and front 4. LB is uncertain but I think we have a good pool to choose from with Davis, Mike Moore, Sizeloves, et al as options. Hopefully someone can pick up where Evans left off. Overall, defense is in good shape.
Offense is a return to the QB battering ram. No idea on the quality of the oline. WR and RB are huge question marks, but battering ram obviates wr and RB should get more room with a legit running threat (waters was no threat after the ou game and our running game obviously suffered). Looks like the offense will be weak, buts that's literally never the case with uncle Snyder so it will be good.
Solid kicking game and presumably we'll have the best return game for the 25th year in a row.
Note: anyone that fixes my list to include true freshman will be banned and sent to a work camp for being a dumbass.
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You hope to see Riddle, Derricott (provided he gets back in good graces), AJ Allen, and Clink all make the contributions that we had hoped on them making this year next year.
I think Kyle Klein will be in the mix at WR. Deante Burton really sucked this year. Had high hopes for him to emerge.
I think that we will have a more talented defense than normal for K-State, but does it really matter as long as we play the same terrible, ultra conservative scheme?
We will have everyone back on the OL except BJ. Typically the interior positions on the line are easier to replace than tackles, but BJ will still be tough to replace. Hopefully/Presumably our OL will be a bit better next season with what will could be a more run oriented offense.
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I'll also add, sorry SugarDick, that I think Delton has a legit chance to get on the field. I would put his chances of getting on the field in non-garbage time to be somewhere around 20-25%.
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Every decent Juco WR and QB should be getting a ton of attention from us.
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I'll also add, sorry SugarDick, that I think Delton has a legit chance to get on the field. I would put his chances of getting on the field in non-garbage time to be somewhere around 20-25%.
Barring injury or Delton being the biggest QB stud of all time I would bet just about anything that he redshirts. With how shitty our Oline was though I wouldn't be surprised to see Applegate? play.
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Every decent Juco WR and QB should be getting a ton of attention from us.
:nono:
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Stiverson back next year, provided his leg is ok.
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My guess.
LT-Whitehair
LG-Stiverson
C-Risner
RG-Hayes
RT-Allen
TE-Valentine
QB-Huebener
FB-Gronk
TB-C. Jones
WR-J Jones
WR-Davis
WR-Klein
DE-Willis
DE-Bryant
Rush DE-Riddle
DT-Britz
DT-Geary
LB-Moore
LB-Davis
NB-Starks
CB-McDaniel
CB-Burns
S-Barnett
S-Jackson
One position change I would like to see is Prewitt to WR, but I think we need him for depth at Safety and may be the starter by end of camp.
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My guess.
LT-Whitehair
LG-Stiverson
C-Risner
RG-Hayes
RT-Allen
TE-Valentine
QB-Huebener
FB-Gronk
TB-C. Jones
WR-J Jones West
WR-Davis
WR-Klein Cook
DE-Willis
DE-Bryant
Rush DE-Riddle
DT-Britz
DT-Geary Clinkscales
LB-Moore Riddle
LB-Davis
NB-Starks Jackson
CB-McDaniel
CB-Burns
S-Barnett
S-Jackson Prewett
One position change I would like to see is Prewitt to WR, but I think we need him for depth at Safety and may be the starter by end of camp.
Pretty reasonable. No way to tell at this point, but my guess is just a little different. I am hoping we can move Whitehair to LG. Allen to play LT. Stiverson over to RG. Hayes out to RT. Ash/Risner/etc. at center. I doubt that will be able to happen though. I hope to see Derricott back on the team and able to contribute as well.
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Will Davis at lb was alli needed to see...... :buh-bye:
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QB - Rocket Arm Human Tank Hubener - All Conf QB, Heisman Finalist
RB - (Jones/Leverett/Warmack/Silmon/Barnes)Think it is really going to be a battle, I don't think their is a single RB that won't be in the Hunt.
FB - Gronk Gronk
RT - Brager / Fitzner
LT - Allen
RG - Hayes / Ash / Frantz (Stiverson has really suffered a bad injury)
LG - Whitehair (Got to get him back to guard)
C - Risner
TE - Small (Apparently the staff loves his speed)
WR- Heath (a lot of birds are singing)
WR - Judah / Davis (If the offense clicks for these guys, watch out)
WR - Deante / Klein
SDE - Willis
WDE - Bryant / Olomua / Wood
NT - Clinkscales / Geary (Clinkscales upside is to high)
DT - Britz
LB - Derricott /Riddle
LB - Lee / Riddle
LB/NB - Starks
CB - Burns
CB - McDaniel
S - Prewitt / Adams
S - Barnett
K - McMoneymatic
P - Walsh
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QB- Hubener, Ertz, Laird
HB- Jones or Warmack, Leverett
FB- Gronkowski
WR- J. Jones, Davis
WR- Klein, Burton,
WR- Cook, Heath, West
TE- Valentine or Small
LT- Allen
LG- Whitehair
C- Risner
RG- Hayes
RT- Brager
DE- Willis, Wood
DT- Britz, Hood, Seiwert
DT- Clinkscales, Geary
DE- Bryant
LB- Lee/Moore (4-3 or Pass rush situations)
LB- Riddle, Davis
LB- Derricott (If really still on team), Sizelove, Tanking
CB- Burns, C. Moore
CB- McDaniel, Jackson
NB- Starks, Mack (When we play our typical nickel base)
S- Barnett, Newlan
S- Prewett, Adams
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I think we have more pieces that have a chance than years in the past. I am a little shock that we didn't go after a JUCO offensive tackle.
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i mean, maybe we won't suck?
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Anyone putting Clinks over Geary is rough ridin' delusional.
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I could definitely go for a ground and pound ball control offense led by bazooka Joe and what has the potential to be a lynch mob lite type defense.
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If Jackson is Nate Jackson, get him the eff off your lists.
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T-Y for plugging in holes :thumbs:
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T-Y for plugging in holes :thumbs:
Katdaddy, stay away from this one, I'm begging you.....
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T-Y for plugging in holes :thumbs:
Katdaddy, stay away from this one, I'm begging you.....
:peek:
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Will mike Moore be back?
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He'll be back, but I can't see him being anything more than a backup LB and maybe back to a role of 3rd down pass rush. Nice depth, though.
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Mixed-nuts: was Stiverson's injury a career ender? That would really suck.
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I suppose Shelley could get in as the NB
I had no idea we returned 4 starters on the oline. That's a positive.
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I thought Kyle Klein had an injury that forced him to give up football. Don't think anything was ever announced but thought someone said it on here. Could be wrong
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LT - AJ Allen
LG - Whitehair
C - Riesner OR Bergstrom
RG - Stiverson
RT - Kleinsorge OR Bennett (Kleinsorge's struggles may get him bumped)
QB - Hubener
RB - Jones/Warmack (will split carries like this year)
FB - Gronk
TE - Valentine OR Small
WR - J. Jones
WR - Davis
WR - Burton
WDE - Bryant
DT - Britz
DT - Geary
SDE - Willis
LB - Derricott (He'll be back)
LB - Riddle
LB - Lee
S - Barnett
S - Prewett
CB - McDaniel
CB - Burns
CB - Starks
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Yeah, we're gonna be pretty good
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LT - AJ Allen
LG - Whitehair
C - Riesner OR Bergstrom
RG - Stiverson
RT - Kleinsorge OR Bennett (Kleinsorge's struggles may get him bumped)
QB - Hubener
RB - Jones/Warmack (will split carries like this year)
FB - Gronk
TE - Valentine OR Small
WR - J. Jones
WR - Davis
WR - Burton
WDE - Bryant
DT - Britz
DT - Geary
SDE - Willis
LB - Derricott (He'll be back)
LB - Riddle
LB - Lee
S - Barnett
S - Prewett
CB - McDaniel
CB - Burns
CB - Starks
I would be extremely surprised if Bennett is in the mix for a starting role. I have not heard a single positive thing about him in his time here. OL and WR are so much a toss up at this point. Lots of guys in the mix. Unfortunately, I don't think that is a good thing in these cases.
OL could be any combination of Whitehair, Stiverson(Do not think broken bones will be a career ender, unless there was some nerve damage. Even if he doesn't come back 100%, he will be good enough to start as we have seen we had such poor depth this year),Hayes, Kleinsorge, Ash, Allen, and Bergstrom. I could see Risner being in the mix also. It's been said that Jeb Drost and Reid Najvar have impressed some as well. Lot of guys we could see and who knows at what positions.
I would say the only for sure we will see at WR is Cook, and then any of Davis, Burton, Klein(he will be back), Heath, West, and Jones. I assume he will redshirt, but with no one being proven at this point it could be possible to even see Zach Reuter in there.
I have heard decent things about Starks' potential, but I have a hard time not seeing Nate Jackson step in to one of the vacant positions, seeing as he was about the only backup to see significant playing time and at more than one position. Shows lack of trust in others and significant trust in him. I really hope Prewett can step up in year two. I will be very disappointed if we wasted his RS and he still doesn't play in year 2. Really want Derricott to get back on the team so we can have a mix of Moore, Derricott, Riddle, Lee, Davis, and Tanking. Decent depth and athleticism.
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Mixed-nuts: was Stiverson's injury a career ender? That would really suck.
Stiverson broke is tibia and fibula, so you know there was some good amount of damage. I think he lacked the ideal athleticism that we want from our guards. That is compounded now with a serious injury.
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Mixed-nuts: was Stiverson's injury a career ender? That would really suck.
Stiverson broke is tibia and fibula, so you know there was some good amount of damage. I think he lacked the ideal athleticism that we want from our guards. That is compounded now with a serious injury.
He has been constantly injured since he has been here also.
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What I would like to see:
LT - AJ Allen
LG - Whitehair
C - Risner
RG - Stiverson
RT - Kleinsorge OR Fitzner (hopeful he would have progressed enough to supplant Klensorge)
QB - Hubener OR Ertz OR Laird OR Delton (who ever can win the qb battle decisively by the first game and never look back going on to an outstanding multi-year, multi championship, multi hiesman career)
RB - Jones/Warmack (will split carries like this year) Would like to see Leverret but that looks unlikely
FB - Gronk
TE - Small OR Valentine
WR - J. Jones
WR - Davis
WR - Burton
WDE - Bryant
DT - Britz
DT - Clinkscale
SDE - Willis
LB - Derricott (He'll be back)
LB - Riddle
LB - Lee
S - Barnett
S - Prewett OR Newell
CB - McDaniel
CB - Burns
CB - Cre Moore
What will likely happen: :Yuck:
LT - Whitehair
LG - Ash (due to Stiverson being injured or never fully recovering from injury)
C - Liddle (knows the play book and he tries too damn hard to keep off the field)
RG - Hayes
RT - Kleinsorge
QB - Hubener OR Ertz (Either with the QB battle going long into midway of the season as we piss away half of it in order to figure out who the real QB is for this team and hopefully not spilling into the 2016 season)
RB - Jones (with even more wildcat situations and little use of our other 3 backs)
FB - Gronk
TE - Small OR Vallentine (with extensive use as an undersized tackle)
WR - Cook
WR - Doesn't matter we wont throw to a 3rd reciever and we will only use 2 long developing timing routes while we keep all backs and TE's in for pass blocking.
WR - Burton
WDE - Bryant
DT - Britz
DT - Geary
SDE - Willis
LB - Davis (because he knows the playbook and angles even though he doesn't get to the ball carrier until they are 4 yards past the line of scrimmage)
LB - M. Moore
LB - Lee (mainly because I can't think of another walk on LB that would supplant him right now)
S - Barnett
S - Jackson (even though he is undersized and a terrible safety)
CB - McDaniel
CB - Burns
CB - Starks
:buh-bye:
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I thought Kyle Klein had an injury that forced him to give up football. Don't think anything was ever announced but thought someone said it on here. Could be wrong
Nope. He'll be back. Offensive coaches mentioned in the time leading up to the Alamo Bowl that they expect him to help contribute at WR next season.
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So what is the story with riddle, he gone too? Personally, i thought the step back in team d was embarassing when johnson was replaced by will davis. I hope we didnt run off two speedster lb's because hearts and off field decision making earn playing time over play making. Unless he did something really terrible, like criminally.