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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Pete on January 03, 2015, 04:15:25 PM
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Angel left him, and oscar said he "never saw it coming." Now, Marcus Foster is clearly leaning toward leaving the program as well.
Is this just "bad luck," for oscar?
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See my quote in one other threads from Brandon Paul. Meyers Leonard loved the crap outta him though.
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See my quote in one other threads from Brandon Paul. Meyers Leonard loved the crap outta him though.
Repost the quote, if you don't mind. I am curious about this.
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Now, while I don't want to simply pile on Weber because the Illini are suddenly winning again, there was a quote from Brandon Paul in Jon Greenberg's column -- which is good and you should read the entire thing after you're done here -- about John Groce that stood out to me. While Paul doesn't come out and say anything directly, if you read between the lines of what he was saying about John Groce it becomes pretty damning of oscar Weber and the coaching staff last season.
Paul was asked about why this team was able to get back up after being knocked down to the ground this season, unlike last year when it stayed on the mat.
"The coaches never gave up on us," Paul told Greenberg. "They want to see us succeed. They said, we've had this rough stretch but gotta fight through it. No one on the team gave up on each other."
If that's what Paul meant, then it just goes to this Foster situation and oscar blame game we've talked about.
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dunno if it shits on your point, strengthens it, or is completely irrelevant, but weber did see it coming.
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oscar recruited a player he knew he wouldn't get along with?
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who wouldn't want to play for him?
Nino's got to play well. He had his best run as a player, now he just lays an egg the last three games. This has been the M.O. for his career. He'll have a few good games here and there. Never consistent.
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Chum mentioned in another thread that publicly making statements that most people make in private, might be oscar's way of motivating Nino....I assume Chum means that this is the last attempt that oscar is making....like nothing else has worked.
Huggins was milder with Jason Bennett, but it was still a public "call out." IIRC, Huggs was pretty fed up with Jason at that point, and the public call out was his last attempt. But, Jason was a freshman at the time. It's strange to do that to a senior.
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I'm all for player motivation. I mean, if you can't get your point across at practice (which is like everyday for a couple of hours when you aren't playing a game) and you can't get your point across from showing them the bench, then I guess the last resort is to call them out in the media. I'm all for it. Can't wait to see if it works. I remember when Roy would pull his starting 5 players who were all McDonald's All-Americans and put in 5 new subs, which were just 3 and 4* guys or young McDonald's All Americans, the starting guys usually responded. So we'll see if this kind of motivation works for oscar.
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who wouldn't want to play for him?
Nino's got to play well. He had his best run as a player, now he just lays an egg the last three games. This has been the M.O. for his career. He'll have a few good games here and there. Never consistent.
Yup, he has got his player's back
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I don't have your guys' expertise on what constitutes calling out, but Huggins definitely has no problem with criticizing individual players by name.
"He needs to start making some shots, and he did. He made the shots that he ought to make," Huggins said.
"I want Cartier to be a player, though. I don't want Cartier just to make shots. I want Cartier to rebound the ball. Cartier had one defensive rebound coming into this game."
http://cjonline.com/stories/111906/cat_mensbb.shtml
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"We can't have that many empty seats, its too early in the semester, they arent studying this early, so where are they?. I dont want my name associated with it. If "they" want to call it Huggieville, they better do it right. If were not going to do it right, we might as well call it Bennettville."
http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=10921.0
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OMG :lol:
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I have tears.
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I don't have your guys' expertise on what constitutes calling out, but Huggins definitely has no problem with criticizing individual players by name.
"He needs to start making some shots, and he did. He made the shots that he ought to make," Huggins said.
"I want Cartier to be a player, though. I don't want Cartier just to make shots. I want Cartier to rebound the ball. Cartier had one defensive rebound coming into this game."
http://cjonline.com/stories/111906/cat_mensbb.shtml
Chum, does this seem the same, less severe, or more severe than Weber's comments about Nino? In your opinion.
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I always looked at Huggs as a red ass who said that crap off the cuff. Weber is such a passive aggressive weenie it just comes off weird. I see the similarity tho
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I guess my point is, none of that crap works. It's all bullshit. This isn't specific to Weber. But the idea that Weber, in comparison to Huggins and Martin, getting "tough" on a player through the media is rather hilarious to me. He's such a passive aggressive eff.
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I guess my point is, none of that crap works. It's all bullshit. This isn't specific to Weber. But the idea that Weber, in comparison to Huggins and Martin, getting "tough" on a player through the media is rather hilarious to me. He's such a passive aggressive eff.
I may be dead wrong on this, but I get the feeling that Weber would not say this to Nino's face. In contrast, I have zero doubt that Huggins would say such things to a players face.
It excuses nothing, for either. It just makes me like oscar less, but that's easy to do.
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I always looked at Huggs as a red ass who said that crap off the cuff. Weber is such a passive aggressive weenie it just comes off weird. I see the similarity tho
They are definitely similar. Cartier was a senior as well.
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I don't have your guys' expertise on what constitutes calling out, but Huggins definitely has no problem with criticizing individual players by name.
"He needs to start making some shots, and he did. He made the shots that he ought to make," Huggins said.
"I want Cartier to be a player, though. I don't want Cartier just to make shots. I want Cartier to rebound the ball. Cartier had one defensive rebound coming into this game."
http://cjonline.com/stories/111906/cat_mensbb.shtml
Chum, does this seem the same, less severe, or more severe than Weber's comments about Nino? In your opinion.
Less, I'd say. But the larger point is that if you're going to the trouble of making these sorts of distinctions, it's because you don't like Weber for other reasons. Why not just stick to those reasons? Winning doesn't even have to enter the picture. Just say you don't like his style (win or lose) and forego all of the nitpicking in this and other threads.
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Blogs are for nitpicking
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I don't have your guys' expertise on what constitutes calling out, but Huggins definitely has no problem with criticizing individual players by name.
"He needs to start making some shots, and he did. He made the shots that he ought to make," Huggins said.
"I want Cartier to be a player, though. I don't want Cartier just to make shots. I want Cartier to rebound the ball. Cartier had one defensive rebound coming into this game."
http://cjonline.com/stories/111906/cat_mensbb.shtml
Chum, does this seem the same, less severe, or more severe than Weber's comments about Nino? In your opinion.
Less, I'd say. But the larger point is that if you're going to the trouble of making these sorts of distinctions, it's because you don't like Weber for other reasons. Why not just stick to those reasons? Winning doesn't even have to enter the picture. Just say you don't like his style (win or lose) and forego all of the nitpicking in this and other threads.
I will forego nothing, because you are not the boss of me.
However, you'll be happy to know that I have moved on to the distinction of "passive aggressiveness," as it relates to this specific incident....just a few posts ago, as a matter of fact! This one will bear a ton of fruit, I just know it.
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oscar would never tell Nino his career has been crappily inconsistent to his face.
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oscar would never tell Nino his career has been crappily inconsistent to his face.
That's feeling I get as well, but we might be wrong.
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I guess my point is, none of that crap works. It's all bullshit. This isn't specific to Weber. But the idea that Weber, in comparison to Huggins and Martin, getting "tough" on a player through the media is rather hilarious to me. He's such a passive aggressive eff.
It works to distract the stupid portion of the fan base
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Meh, the only one I think is remotely mean is the Bennettville. Do we all have to pretend that Nino has been a stud night in and night out? The bigger issue for me is why the hell does oscar think he can rely on Nino if he has been so inconsistent his whole career. Seems like dumbassery
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Chum is right about oscar's quotes, along with fsd telling everyone to stop comparing him to Frank. You don't need to have him publicly throw a player under the bus or put a less entertaining product on the court to make the argument that he should be fired. The incredibly shitty results are more than enough.
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I like to think oscar is just a complete lunatic behind closed doors to his players.
What we hear is just the SFW version.
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Chum is right about oscar's quotes, along with fsd telling everyone to stop comparing him to Frank. You don't need to have him publicly throw a player under the bus or put a less entertaining product on the court to make the argument that he should be fired. The incredibly shitty results are more than enough.
It's been said that what forces coaches out sooner rather than later is when a coach "loses the team" and I intend to push that narrative along with the excuse narrative. Simply losing isn't enough to blow this up quickly, there needs to be something more.
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Chum is right about oscar's quotes, along with fsd telling everyone to stop comparing him to Frank. You don't need to have him publicly throw a player under the bus or put a less entertaining product on the court to make the argument that he should be fired. The incredibly shitty results are more than enough.
It's been said that what forces coaches out sooner rather than later is when a coach "loses the team" and I intend to push that narrative along with the excuse narrative. Simply losing isn't enough to blow this up quickly, there needs to be something more.
oscar currently leads the narrative category 65-40.
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dunno if it shits on your point, strengthens it, or is completely irrelevant, but weber did see it coming.
I feel like you have much more to give.
i was talking about art transferring. rereading my post, i did not make that at all clear.
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I thought everybody knew that ART was a flight risk every year.
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I thought everybody knew that ART was a flight risk every year.
yes everyone did. that's why it was funny when weber decided to tell the media he had know idea such a thing was possible.
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I thought oscar said it surprised him because his conversations earlier in the week with ART sounded like he was coming back. Like oscar thought he already made it through the Art lottery again.
Miami coach is problem concerned about ART going pro this year.
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Maybe Marcus Foster is being a dickhead, and oscar is doing a poor job of handling Foster (and probably others) being dickheads.
If oscar were smart he would be very Snyderesque in his responses to questions of this nature.
By going public it pretty much sends a clear signal that their dickheadedness (if that is indeed the case) is bothering the coach.
Oh and since all things roll back to Frank here in Fapping Frankite Heaven, someone did an excellent job on GoPo of quoting Frank since he's been at USCe, regularly and repeatedly throwing his players under the bus to the media.
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Great point about Fapping Frankite Heaven
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Caring a lot about post game conferences are weird. It should have to be really brutal to care.
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Great point about Fapping Frankite Heaven
All my points are great cRusty.
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Caring a lot about post game conferences are weird. It should have to be really brutal to care.
we had a damn good run of hc that were good at postgame, I enjoyed Wooly's down home folksiness and his Chris LeDoux delivery.
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Great point about Fapping Frankite Heaven
All my points are great cRusty.
Too bad LSOC already nailed the new board name.
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If oscar doesnt say that to Ninos face before blasting him in the media then he'll lose him. Can't be his best friend in practice then say he sucks in post game conf. Players lose respect for coaches that they see as two-faced
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If oscar doesnt say that to Ninos face before blasting him in the media then he'll lose him. Can't be his best friend in practice then say he sucks in post game conf. Players lose respect for coaches that they see as two-faced
Sizzling HAWT take!
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If oscar doesnt say that to Ninos face before blasting him in the media then he'll lose him. Can't be his best friend in practice then say he sucks in post game conf. Players lose respect for coaches that they see as two-faced
Sizzling HAWT take!
People said they don't think he would say it. Just thought it was noteworthy to point out the importance if he did or didn't say it to his face
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I don't have your guys' expertise on what constitutes calling out, but Huggins definitely has no problem with criticizing individual players by name.
"He needs to start making some shots, and he did. He made the shots that he ought to make," Huggins said.
"I want Cartier to be a player, though. I don't want Cartier just to make shots. I want Cartier to rebound the ball. Cartier had one defensive rebound coming into this game."
http://cjonline.com/stories/111906/cat_mensbb.shtml
Chum, does this seem the same, less severe, or more severe than Weber's comments about Nino? In your opinion.
Less, I'd say. But the larger point is that if you're going to the trouble of making these sorts of distinctions, it's because you don't like Weber for other reasons. Why not just stick to those reasons? Winning doesn't even have to enter the picture. Just say you don't like his style (win or lose) and forego all of the nitpicking in this and other threads.
I mean if you don't see the huge difference between a coach telling a senior to play better and a coach telling a senior that he's had a shitty career then I have to question your motives. Also there is nothing wrong with a coach talking to the media about a players faults, they almost certainly aren't revealing anything new. Telling the media a 5th year senior has stunk his entire career is far from saying, we need better effort on defense from player x.
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No point in burning bridges.
See my quote in one other threads from Brandon Paul. Meyers Leonard loved the crap outta him though.
But FWIW, read the line about "someone got in his ear."
http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/illini-sports/mens-basketball/2012-12-08/brothers-paul.html
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No point in burning bridges.
See my quote in one other threads from Brandon Paul. Meyers Leonard loved the crap outta him though.
But FWIW, read the line about "someone got in his ear."
http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/illini-sports/mens-basketball/2012-12-08/brothers-paul.html
Christ, I had to take a survey and browse 2000 words on the Paul family for that? Would it have been so hard to c & p that like 10 word quote?
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Don't know if you guys have seen this, but this is Weber being Weber with the media in 2012 with Illinois.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GDV2_HT-eA8
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oscar webers pre game speech about being outstanding on the bench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhDZxHFWgc
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I hate him
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they absolutely trashed oscar this morning on Border Patrol. Thanks for reading gE!
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oscar webers pre game speech about being outstanding on the bench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhDZxHFWgc
Uh mods, pak head?
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they absolutely trashed oscar this morning on Border Patrol. Thanks for reading gE!
Wut were they saying in particular, if you remember...Thanks
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they absolutely trashed oscar this morning on Border Patrol. Thanks for reading gE!
Wut were they saying in particular, if you remember...Thanks
Ran back all of his quotes about not wanting to play hard, basically said "that's on the coach"
When he trashed Nino, said "uh, that's not a great strategy"
then when oscar said they don't wan to play together as a team SSJ said "well the whole team is now together...down there under the bus"
They have definitely read the board, or someone has and told them about the sentiment of excuses/never taking responsibility amongst some of the fanbase
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oscar webers pre game speech about being outstanding on the bench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhDZxHFWgc
:lol:
It's just, so baffling how he made it to this level.
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then when oscar said they don't wan to play together as a team SSJ said "well the whole team is now together...down there under the bus"
I guess it's possible that everything we mock oscar for is all #acting and he's actually outsmarted everyone and is manipulating the team into bonding together and playing well to spite him.
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oscar webers pre game speech about being outstanding on the bench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhDZxHFWgc
I mean, this is pretty clever...
You have to be outstanding on the bench. Not out standing on the court, standing there watching, but on the bench you gotta be outstanding.
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oscar webers pre game speech about being outstanding on the bench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhDZxHFWgc
I mean, this is pretty clever...
You have to be outstanding on the bench. Not out standing on the court, standing there watching, but on the bench you gotta be outstanding.
Man, I don't know how our guys deal with it, I just listened to 15 seconds of a youtube clip and wanted to slap the crap out of oscar and they have to put up with him all day every day.
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I hadn't heard audio of his conference until this morn, his voice is in rough shape.
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oscar webers pre game speech about being outstanding on the bench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhDZxHFWgc
lol my God, what the eff
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oscar webers pre game speech about being outstanding on the bench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhDZxHFWgc
I mean, this is pretty clever...
You have to be outstanding on the bench. Not out standing on the court, standing there watching, but on the bench you gotta be outstanding.
I've watched this like 4 times this morning. So good.
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I'm just glad that the majority facebook comments and twitter comments are of hating oscar. Most of our fanbase knows he sucks balls and taints. There are some that try to defend the past 2 years successes, but most know oscar is a piece of crap.
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i mean if we don't care at all about winning and losing and just want entertainment, you have to admit oscar is hilarious and very entertaining.
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i mean if we don't care at all about winning and losing and just want entertainment, you have to admit oscar is hilarious and very entertaining.
His brand of humor just doesn't translate well on television, though. Frank's did, plus we won games, which was a great bonus. Maybe we are all just spoiled. It could be worse.
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i mean if we don't care at all about winning and losing and just want entertainment, you have to admit oscar is hilarious and very entertaining.
His brand of humor just doesn't translate well on television, though. Frank's did, plus we won games, which was a great bonus. Maybe we are all just spoiled. It could be worse.
probably true about the tv part. i promise if all you do at a game is just watch weber, you will be very entertained. he's actually more entertaining at games in person than frank was. frank just sat there with his elbow on his leg and his hand on his chin 80% of the time. my man oscar gets after it though. he's like a sixth player out there boobbing and weaving an on the court and the waving of the arms and constant yelling at players for what exactly he wants them to do "shoot! nino, shoot it!". it's pretty great.
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i mean if we don't care at all about winning and losing and just want entertainment, you have to admit oscar is hilarious and very entertaining.
His brand of humor just doesn't translate well on television, though. Frank's did, plus we won games, which was a great bonus. Maybe we are all just spoiled. It could be worse.
probably true about the tv part. i promise if all you do at a game is just watch weber, you will be very entertained. he's actually more entertaining at games in person than frank was. frank just sat there with his elbow on his leg and his hand on his chin 80% of the time. my man oscar gets after it though. he's like a sixth player out there boobbing and weaving an on the court and the waving of the arms and constant yelling at players for what exactly he wants them to do "shoot! nino, shoot it!". it's pretty great.
Yes, oscar is outstanding on the bench, but the tv producers just don't show any of it.
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i mean if we don't care at all about winning and losing and just want entertainment, you have to admit oscar is hilarious and very entertaining.
His brand of humor just doesn't translate well on television, though. Frank's did, plus we won games, which was a great bonus. Maybe we are all just spoiled. It could be worse.
probably true about the tv part. i promise if all you do at a game is just watch weber, you will be very entertained. he's actually more entertaining at games in person than frank was. frank just sat there with his elbow on his leg and his hand on his chin 80% of the time. my man oscar gets after it though. he's like a sixth player out there boobbing and weaving an on the court and the waving of the arms and constant yelling at players for what exactly he wants them to do "shoot! nino, shoot it!". it's pretty great.
Yes, oscar is outstanding on the bench, but the tv producers just don't show any of it.
I don't know. I think if I just watch him while we are losing, it will make me more mad. When I watch him, it makes me hate him more.
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i mean if we don't care at all about winning and losing and just want entertainment, you have to admit oscar is hilarious and very entertaining.
His brand of humor just doesn't translate well on television, though. Frank's did, plus we won games, which was a great bonus. Maybe we are all just spoiled. It could be worse.
probably true about the tv part. i promise if all you do at a game is just watch weber, you will be very entertained. he's actually more entertaining at games in person than frank was. frank just sat there with his elbow on his leg and his hand on his chin 80% of the time. my man oscar gets after it though. he's like a sixth player out there boobbing and weaving an on the court and the waving of the arms and constant yelling at players for what exactly he wants them to do "shoot! nino, shoot it!". it's pretty great.
Yes, oscar is outstanding on the bench, but the tv producers just don't show any of it.
I don't know. I think if I just watch him while we are losing, it will make me more mad. When I watch him, it makes me hate him more.
It only makes you mad because they only show oscar on tv when he's out standing on the floor.
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i mean if we don't care at all about winning and losing and just want entertainment, you have to admit oscar is hilarious and very entertaining.
His brand of humor just doesn't translate well on television, though. Frank's did, plus we won games, which was a great bonus. Maybe we are all just spoiled. It could be worse.
probably true about the tv part. i promise if all you do at a game is just watch weber, you will be very entertained. he's actually more entertaining at games in person than frank was. frank just sat there with his elbow on his leg and his hand on his chin 80% of the time. my man oscar gets after it though. he's like a sixth player out there boobbing and weaving an on the court and the waving of the arms and constant yelling at players for what exactly he wants them to do "shoot! nino, shoot it!". it's pretty great.
Yes, oscar is outstanding on the bench, but the tv producers just don't show any of it.
I don't know. I think if I just watch him while we are losing, it will make me more mad. When I watch him, it makes me hate him more.
It only makes you mad because they only show oscar on tv when he's out standing on the floor.
I've been to all of the home games and the Sprint Center games and everything he does makes me mad.
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You have to be outstanding on the bench. Not out standing on the court.
@ trim.
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i mean if we don't care at all about winning and losing and just want entertainment, you have to admit oscar is hilarious and very entertaining.
His brand of humor just doesn't translate well on television, though. Frank's did, plus we won games, which was a great bonus. Maybe we are all just spoiled. It could be worse.
probably true about the tv part. i promise if all you do at a game is just watch weber, you will be very entertained. he's actually more entertaining at games in person than frank was. frank just sat there with his elbow on his leg and his hand on his chin 80% of the time. my man oscar gets after it though. he's like a sixth player out there boobbing and weaving an on the court and the waving of the arms and constant yelling at players for what exactly he wants them to do "shoot! nino, shoot it!". it's pretty great.
it makes me want to run across the court and give him a wedgie, and not a "hey, i'm horsing around with my high school buddies in the hallways between class" wedgie. i want to give him a "i despise you for reasons i can't accurately articulate so here is how i'm expressing it" wedgie.
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i mean if we don't care at all about winning and losing and just want entertainment, you have to admit oscar is hilarious and very entertaining.
His brand of humor just doesn't translate well on television, though. Frank's did, plus we won games, which was a great bonus. Maybe we are all just spoiled. It could be worse.
probably true about the tv part. i promise if all you do at a game is just watch weber, you will be very entertained. he's actually more entertaining at games in person than frank was. frank just sat there with his elbow on his leg and his hand on his chin 80% of the time. my man oscar gets after it though. he's like a sixth player out there boobbing and weaving an on the court and the waving of the arms and constant yelling at players for what exactly he wants them to do "shoot! nino, shoot it!". it's pretty great.
it makes me want to run across the court and give him a wedgie, and not a "hey, i'm horsing around with my high school buddies in the hallways between class" wedgie. i want to give him a "i despise you for reasons i can't accurately articulate so here is how i'm expressing it" wedgie.
If BruceTuck doesn't unbutton his jacket one of these days, he'll rip it apart with all of his weird gesticulations.
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hi oscar, I'm sure you've heard it a million times, but please be a better coach and connect with your best players. you're ruining K-State basketball.
love, Shooter