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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: steve dave on December 31, 2014, 11:13:00 PM
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Not why he shouldn't have been to begin with, I think we've covered that at length. But why he should remain as the coach. What's the upside? Convince me. Will move HUR HUR HUR posts to the pit so feel free to give actual arguments here.
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It only takes a small stone to really get the ball rolling for an elite hoops school like ksu. Give him time!
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A conference championship should buy any coach a few years. If they prove they can do it once, give them a chance to make another run at it.
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A conference championship should buy any coach a few years. If they prove they can do it once, give them a chance to make another run at it.
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his overall lifetime win %. coaches are what they are and he is a proven winner.
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A conference championship should buy any coach a few years. If they prove they can do it once, give them a chance to make another run at it.
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Pretty much the only thing that can be posted
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Re: Lets go Sunshine Pumpers !! Let us know how positive you're really feeling Reply
I'm always very positive about K-State but you can not judge a coach by one season. People please realize their is more than college basketball in life. Many of you fans act like this is the worst thing in the world that K-State men's basketball team is struggling!!!!! Many people on social media or all about what you have done for me lately! Sit back and enjoy life win or lose. If fans are so obsessed about only winning than support the other K-State teams that are winning. The women's team is winning, I enjoy watching and cheering for all K-State sports, win or lose. But remember people this is only entertainment and pales in comparisson to real life drama!
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In year one, we finished first.
In year two, we finished fifth.
We have been in the top half of the league in both of his seasons. As long as that remains true, oscar should still be our coach.
Unfortunately, it seems we are destined to watch as oscar literally takes us from first to worst. As soon that occurs, oscar should be canned.
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No arguement can be made........ :Yuck:
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We owe him a significant amount of money that would hinder us from replacing him with a suitable candidate.
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One of the seemingly most accepted claims against him probably doesn't hold up against much scrutiny. Namely, the claim that he can only win with his predecessor's players. Apart from ascribing to him this extremely weird characteristic that there really isn't any generalized data on, and apart from the fact that a single supposed observation of this characteristic isn't enough to establish a trend, it seems like the claim is pretty obviously false. He finished second in the Big Ten in his sixth year as coach of Illinois.
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Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.
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No wednesdays, yet.
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chum doing good work ITT
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None of the major financial contributors are asking to fire him. As long as the $'s are rolling in from them and they are content, then oscar is fine.
Gonna win 'em all!
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this team is struggling to find an identity. If we had Angel we'd be awesome. need one of the pg's to take over.
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I got nothing? I'm guessing if your making an argument you were cut from your JH JV BB team and have to ask questions during the game about what is really happening on the court.
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Because he was our coach to start this season, and it is now the middle of the season, and he hasn't feloned anybody.
This thread should be postponed until March. Doing it now makes it seem like you want Weber to fail.
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Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.
If we're observing data, we should be reminded that one data point does make a trend. Rather, in this instance, the 2nd place finish represents an anomaly when we look at all the data as a whole. The trend is apparent. Win at a consistent level with other players, lose (relatively speaking) at a consistent level with his own.
2003–04 Illinois 26–7 13–3 1st
2004–05 Illinois 37–2 15–1 1st
2005–06 Illinois 26–7 11–5 T–2nd
2006–07 Illinois 23–12 9–7 T–4th
2007–08 Illinois 16–19 5–13 T–9th
2008–09 Illinois 24–10 11–7 T–2nd
2009–10 Illinois 21–15 10–8 5th
2010–11 Illinois 20–14 9–9 T–4th
2011–12 Illinois 17–15 6–12 9th
2012–13 Kansas State 27–8 14–4 T–1st
2013–14 Kansas State 20–13 10–8 5th
...but I apologize, my post wasn't really what this thread was for.
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He brought Foster here
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Because no one has brought a worth while replacement to the table that I've heard, besides one obvious guy and one never going to happen guy . . . and this is particularly the case for the resident Too Cool for Schoolers who throw out absurd choices simply because they think it would be cool and they can feel better about themselves.
K-State has made rash decisions with basketball before and it only served to keep the program mired in mediocrity for another 15 years.
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Because no one has brought a worth while replacement to the table that I've heard, besides one obvious guy and one never going to happen guy . . . and this is particularly the case for the resident Too Cool for Schoolers who throw out absurd choices simply because they think it would be cool and they can feel better about themselves.
K-State has made rash decisions with basketball before and it only served to keep the program mired in mediocrity for another 15 years.
Yeah, I really don't have a good replacement in mind.
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I know this isn't really the thread for it, but what I saw yesterday was not an effort issue.
It's like our offensive engine is out of gas, the output has fallen off a cliff, and this team from my observation has some attitudinal problems and from my observation they begin with Marcus Foster. But it's the guy running the show's job to get that straightened out, so that's why Brucescuses fall on deaf ears.
Also, oscar needs to sit the rough ridin down and quit micro-managing every freaking second of the game, I personally think that's part of the problem right there.
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Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.
If we're observing data, we should be reminded that one data point does make a trend. Rather, in this instance, the 2nd place finish represents an anomaly when we look at all the data as a whole. The trend is apparent. Win at a consistent level with other players, lose (relatively speaking) at a consistent level with his own.
2003–04 Illinois 26–7 13–3 1st
2004–05 Illinois 37–2 15–1 1st
2005–06 Illinois 26–7 11–5 T–2nd
2006–07 Illinois 23–12 9–7 T–4th
2007–08 Illinois 16–19 5–13 T–9th
2008–09 Illinois 24–10 11–7 T–2nd
2009–10 Illinois 21–15 10–8 5th
2010–11 Illinois 20–14 9–9 T–4th
2011–12 Illinois 17–15 6–12 9th
2012–13 Kansas State 27–8 14–4 T–1st
2013–14 Kansas State 20–13 10–8 5th
...but I apologize, my post wasn't really what this thread was for.
Without exception, all coaches have ups and downs. Sitting around and waiting for a down season to say, "See, this coach sucks!" is utterly meaningless. The part about winning with another coach's players is some superfluous narrative that has nothing whatsoever to do with data in this case.
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Because it's January, no coach has ever been fired from college ball in Jan
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Chum1 posts well.
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Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.
If we're observing data, we should be reminded that one data point does make a trend. Rather, in this instance, the 2nd place finish represents an anomaly when we look at all the data as a whole. The trend is apparent. Win at a consistent level with other players, lose (relatively speaking) at a consistent level with his own.
2003–04 Illinois 26–7 13–3 1st
2004–05 Illinois 37–2 15–1 1st
2005–06 Illinois 26–7 11–5 T–2nd
2006–07 Illinois 23–12 9–7 T–4th
2007–08 Illinois 16–19 5–13 T–9th
2008–09 Illinois 24–10 11–7 T–2nd
2009–10 Illinois 21–15 10–8 5th
2010–11 Illinois 20–14 9–9 T–4th
2011–12 Illinois 17–15 6–12 9th
2012–13 Kansas State 27–8 14–4 T–1st
2013–14 Kansas State 20–13 10–8 5th
...but I apologize, my post wasn't really what this thread was for.
Without exception, all coaches have ups and downs. Sitting around and waiting for a down season to say, "See, this coach sucks!" is utterly meaningless. The part about winning with another coach's players is some superfluous narrative that has nothing whatsoever to do with data in this case.
he won at a high level (1st, 1st, 2nd, ....4th) with a roster that wasn't his. He couldn't/hasn't recreated that 3-4yr period....ever. He won with a roster that was not his at a high level (1st) and then it looks like the next 2 years he won't recreate that. But I guess we can wait around for his 2nd place finish in 3years.
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But to be honest, maybe his record is what our program is. Ouch. That's a tough one to type/admit.
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Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.
I don't get this, many said he would begin losing at this point, and he is. Badly. Are you saying the numbers don't show this and that prediction is just playing out due to pure chance?
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Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.
If we're observing data, we should be reminded that one data point does make a trend. Rather, in this instance, the 2nd place finish represents an anomaly when we look at all the data as a whole. The trend is apparent. Win at a consistent level with other players, lose (relatively speaking) at a consistent level with his own.
2003–04 Illinois 26–7 13–3 1st
2004–05 Illinois 37–2 15–1 1st
2005–06 Illinois 26–7 11–5 T–2nd
2006–07 Illinois 23–12 9–7 T–4th
2007–08 Illinois 16–19 5–13 T–9th
2008–09 Illinois 24–10 11–7 T–2nd
2009–10 Illinois 21–15 10–8 5th
2010–11 Illinois 20–14 9–9 T–4th
2011–12 Illinois 17–15 6–12 9th
2012–13 Kansas State 27–8 14–4 T–1st
2013–14 Kansas State 20–13 10–8 5th
...but I apologize, my post wasn't really what this thread was for.
Without exception, all coaches have ups and downs. Sitting around and waiting for a down season to say, "See, this coach sucks!" is utterly meaningless. The part about winning with another coach's players is some superfluous narrative that has nothing whatsoever to do with data in this case.
What the eff are you talking about?
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Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.
I don't get this, many said he would begin losing at this point, and he is. Badly. Are you saying the numbers don't show this and that prediction is just playing out due to pure chance?
That must be what Chum is saying. I mean, we said a thing, and then that thing happened, really no confusion there. I guess he thinks oscar Weber did well at Illinois because of his fluke good 2nd place season, wedged in with his bad seasons. That would differ from what I believe and almost every Illinois fan in the world, but free country.
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I know this isn't really the thread for it, but what I saw yesterday was not an effort issue.
It's like our offensive engine is out of gas, the output has fallen off a cliff, and this team from my observation has some attitudinal problems and from my observation they begin with Marcus Foster. But it's the guy running the show's job to get that straightened out, so that's why Brucescuses fall on deaf ears.
Also, oscar needs to sit the rough ridin down and quit micro-managing every freaking second of the game, I personally think that's part of the problem right there.
Agree 100%.
There have been times when effort was the problem, but not yesterday.
Foster's attitude has been bad all year. But that is Weber's problem/fault. I'm glad he benched Foster yesterday, but I doubt that will result in any change.
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Weber is about to overcome so much adversity you guys, just you wait and see. He is just letting it pile up so he can put you dumbasses in your place
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In the spirit of the original intent of this thread, I'd say that you can't just fire a guy for being an incredible awkward doltish man that makes you cringe with every breath he takes. It's about performance.
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Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.
I don't get this, many said he would begin losing at this point, and he is. Badly. Are you saying the numbers don't show this and that prediction is just playing out due to pure chance?
That must be what Chum is saying. I mean, we said a thing, and then that thing happened, really no confusion there. I guess he thinks oscar Weber did well at Illinois because of his fluke good 2nd place season, wedged in with his bad seasons. That would differ from what I believe and almost every Illinois fan in the world, but free country.
This conversation is premature, but I would like to chime in and note that 11-7 is a good, but not great, conference record. The fact that it was good for second doesn't make it thàt much better.
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Another reason: we hired him and really had a pretty good idea of what we were getting into. He had several seasons comparable to this at Illinois. While I didn't exactly expect this particular season to go this way, I'm not surprised, either. Basically, this is what we signed up for, so why not just ride it out as long as possible?
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Another reason: we hired him and really had a pretty good idea of what we were getting into. He had several seasons comparable to this at Illinois. While I didn't exactly expect this particular season to go this way, I'm not surprised, either. Basically, this is what we signed up for, so why not just ride it out as long as possible?
Oh that's a good one too.
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This is the essence of what I'm saying.
Things supported by data: oscar trends downward at Illinois. Things not supported by data, but by conjecture or gut feeling or whatever: oscar trends downward at Kansas State.
Just because I guess the correct lottery numbers doesn't rough ridin' mean that I had a reliable method for doing so even if I believe that I did.
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oh chum1
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Yes, predicting someone to have relatively similar results as they did in their last job is basically like playing your kid's birthday numbers in the lotto. Makes sense :blank:
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I'd love for someone to explain to me how a downward trend at Kansas State is supported by data.
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This is the essence of what I'm saying.
Things supported by data: oscar trends downward at Illinois. Things not supported by data, but by conjecture or gut feeling or whatever: oscar trends downward at Kansas State.
Just because I guess the correct lottery numbers doesn't rough ridin' mean that I had a reliable method for doing so even if I believe that I did.
Wait, what?
oscar is trending down big time at Kstate
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I'd love for someone to explain to me how a downward trend at Kansas State is supported by data.
You make a valid point.
How many data points would you think are needed? I agree that two is too little, but three might be enough to give the sense of a trend (if the trend is mostly linear).
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This is the essence of what I'm saying.
Things supported by data: oscar trends downward at Illinois. Things not supported by data, but by conjecture or gut feeling or whatever: oscar trends downward at Kansas State.
Just because I guess the correct lottery numbers doesn't rough ridin' mean that I had a reliable method for doing so even if I believe that I did.
Wait, what?
oscar is trending down big time at Kstate
If, IF, at the end of his career, he has trended downward, it wouldn't have been supported by data!
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I'd love for someone to explain to me how a downward trend at Kansas State is supported by data.
You make a valid point.
How many data points would you think are needed? I agree that two is too little, but three might be enough to give the sense of a trend (if the trend is mostly linear).
I was hoping you might come! Yeah, I think three is always a good rule of thumb number.
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2013/14: Adversity is to oscar overcoming it
2014/15: A shitload of adversity is to oscar overcoming it by a shitload.
He is about to win out this season
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I'd love for someone to explain to me how a downward trend at Kansas State is supported by data.
You make a valid point.
How many data points would you think are needed? I agree that two is too little, but three might be enough to give the sense of a trend (if the trend is mostly linear).
I was hoping you might come! Yeah, I think three is always a good rule of thumb number.
If (and it is a big if), this season continues at it currently has then at the end of the year I think there is a trend of getting worse. Would you agree with that?
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I'd love for someone to explain to me how a downward trend at Kansas State is supported by data.
You make a valid point.
How many data points would you think are needed? I agree that two is too little, but three might be enough to give the sense of a trend (if the trend is mostly linear).
I was hoping you might come! Yeah, I think three is always a good rule of thumb number.
If (and it is a big if), this season continues at it currently has then at the end of the year I think there is a trend of getting worse. Would you agree with that?
Let's just say he finishes his time at Kansas State with a downward trend. Then, we have two downward trend per school data points: one from his time at Illinois and one from his time at Kansas State.
Why look at downward trend per school? Ask the "other coach's recruits" people.
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LOL
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With all the construction and office displacement going on, do we even have a place for a firing presser with his nuclear family in tears offset from the podium?
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Gene Keady would hate use.
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LOL
It's essentially what they're saying, right?
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Holiday Inn has conf rooms. :dunno:
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He cant help his players are fat
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altho now I think about it Mcamey was a chubby little bastard too and D-Will is now superfat
maybe cut back team froyo nights to a few times a week
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He cant help his players are fat
He hired the strength coach you rough ridin' dunce. Who is a huge fatass pos himself.
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With all the construction and office displacement going on, do we even have a place for a firing presser with his nuclear family in tears offset from the podium?
Due to space constraints, they will do the presser and have to live stream his crying family next to him on a TV
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altho now I think about it Mcamey was a chubby little bastard too and D-Will is now superfat
maybe cut back team froyo nights to a few times a week
A hearty LOL in your bitchface talking smack about high major basketball players' fitness.
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I'd love for someone to explain to me how a downward trend at Kansas State is supported by data.
You make a valid point.
How many data points would you think are needed? I agree that two is too little, but three might be enough to give the sense of a trend (if the trend is mostly linear).
I was hoping you might come! Yeah, I think three is always a good rule of thumb number.
If (and it is a big if), this season continues at it currently has then at the end of the year I think there is a trend of getting worse. Would you agree with that?
Let's just say he finishes his time at Kansas State with a downward trend. Then, we have two downward trend per school data points: one from his time at Illinois and one from his time at Kansas State.
Why look at downward trend per school? Ask the "other coach's recruits" people.
I suppose one could see the sense in that. Yes failing at KSU would not "prove" that oscar always will run a major team into the ground. It would indeed be only two "data points" for succeeding only with other coach's players. :dunno:
I don't remember most being this cautious with Prince, but then again it was a long time ago and people change.
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Why look at downward trend per school? Ask the "other coaches' recruits" people
Not to be a grammar nazi, but it's an worthwhile distinction in this case
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@steve dave : It's a documented fact that I have a huge man crush on you. This type of thread is why. Wow.
Gonna win 'em all!
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With all the construction and office displacement going on, do we even have a place for a firing presser with his nuclear family in tears offset from the podium?
Due to space constraints, they will do the presser and have to live stream his crying family next to him on a TV
Well, the space up by the sinks in the concourse is already reserved for rally'rs and protest'rs.
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Why look at downward trend per school? Ask the "other coaches' recruits" people
Not to be a grammar nazi, but it's an worthwhile distinction in this case
I don't see why you couldn't use either.
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This is the essence of what I'm saying.
Things supported by data: oscar trends downward at Illinois. Things not supported by data, but by conjecture or gut feeling or whatever: oscar trends downward at Kansas State.
Just because I guess the correct lottery numbers doesn't rough ridin' mean that I had a reliable method for doing so even if I believe that I did.
Wait, what?
oscar is trending down big time at Kstate
If, IF, at the end of his career, he has trended downward, it wouldn't have been supported by data!
I will have to be content with being 100% on my prediction.
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I'd love for someone to explain to me how a downward trend at Kansas State is supported by data.
You make a valid point.
How many data points would you think are needed? I agree that two is too little, but three might be enough to give the sense of a trend (if the trend is mostly linear).
I was hoping you might come! Yeah, I think three is always a good rule of thumb number.
If (and it is a big if), this season continues at it currently has then at the end of the year I think there is a trend of getting worse. Would you agree with that?
Let's just say he finishes his time at Kansas State with a downward trend. Then, we have two downward trend per school data points: one from his time at Illinois and one from his time at Kansas State.
Why look at downward trend per school? Ask the "other coach's recruits" people.
I suppose one could see the sense in that. Yes failing at KSU would not "prove" that oscar always will run a major team into the ground. It would indeed be only two "data points" for succeeding only with other coach's players. :dunno:
I don't remember most being this cautious with Prince, but then again it was a long time ago and people change.
Data is data. No need for scare quotes.
I'm just responding to people who seem to be sure that oscar will trend downward here by saying that they're not actually being all that rigorous in drawing that conclusion.
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I'd be happy to bet.
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But I get what you are saying as it relates to his tenure at Kstate
Basically the data from his time at Kstate is that he will finish in the top 3
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It's rare that there are multiple downward data references for coaches at a high level in college athletics. That's what made Currie's Dallas fever dream and the Charlie Weis hire so puzzling to begin with.
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Come on, Weber has coached at three schools and one resulted in an upward trend. I know it's a Mo Valley school, but still.
This is his career:
1998–99 Southern Illinois 15–12 10–8 T–5th
1999–00 Southern Illinois 20–13 12–6 3rd NIT Second Round
2000–01 Southern Illinois 16–14 10–8 T–4th
2001–02 Southern Illinois 28–8 14–4 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2002–03 Southern Illinois 24–7 16–2 1st NCAA First Round
Southern Illinois: 103–54 (.656) 62–28 (.689)
Illinois Fighting Illini (Big Ten Conference) (2003–2012)
2003–04 Illinois 26–7 13–3 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2004–05 Illinois 37–2 15–1 1st NCAA Runner–up
2005–06 Illinois 26–7 11–5 T–2nd NCAA Second Round
2006–07 Illinois 23–12 9–7 T–4th NCAA First Round
2007–08 Illinois 16–19 5–13 T–9th
2008–09 Illinois 24–10 11–7 T–2nd NCAA First Round
2009–10 Illinois 21–15 10–8 5th NIT Quarterfinals
2010–11 Illinois 20–14 9–9 T–4th NCAA Third Round
2011–12 Illinois 17–15 6–12 9th
Illinois: 210–101 (.675) 89–65 (.578)
Kansas State Wildcats (Big 12 Conference) (2012–present)
2012–13 Kansas State 27–8 14–4 T–1st NCAA Second Round
2013–14 Kansas State 20–13 10–8 5th NCAA Second Round
2014–15 Kansas State 7–6 0–0
The biggest outlier years were the terrible teams of 2007-08 and 2011-12, and he's otherwise been pretty damn solid to pretty damn great. The 2011-12 season is partly explained by the fact he was obviously done at Illinois and the he totally lost his team. That leaves one unexplained bad data point. That's why I thought the whole hue and cry about him being a loser coach was stupid, irrational and unsupported by data. He might be awkward and an unsexy hire, but he wins.
But I'm at a total loss as to why this team is so horrible. We are obviously going to finish with a losing record (only happened once before in his career) and will likely be oscar's worst team ever.
Still, given his 17-season track record of evidence to the contrary, I think it's crazy to have predicted KSU would be horrible this year, and chum's example of winning the lottery is appropriate. I'm just totally blown away by how bad we are.
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The biggest outlier years were the terrible teams of 2007-08 and 2011-12, and he's otherwise been pretty damn solid to pretty damn great. The 2011-12 season is partly explained by the fact he was obviously done at Illinois and the he totally lost his team. That leaves one unexplained bad data point. That's why I thought the whole hue and cry about him being a loser coach was stupid, irrational and unsupported by data. He might be awkward and an unsexy hire, but he wins.
OK, but if 2007-08 is an outlier than so is 2004-05 (in fact it is even more so). Remove those two seasons and tell me there still isn't a downward trend.
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Didn't he win like big 12 honors or something last year. That's something.
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Still, given his 17-season track record of evidence to the contrary, I think it's crazy to have predicted KSU would be horrible this year, and chum's example of winning the lottery is appropriate. I'm just totally blown away by how bad we are.
I'm still not sure we'll finish as bad as those two random horrible seasons at Illinois, but the fact that those two seasons existed (with pretty decent rosters that he assembled), our results this year, although unexpected, shouldn't come as a huge shock.
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oscar Weber should remain our head coach because who cares anyway.
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We owe him a significant amount of money that would hinder us from replacing him with a suitable candidate.
This.
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oscar Weber has already broken/set records, and has a high probability to break several historic records at K-State this year. #recordbreaker
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Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.
If we're observing data, we should be reminded that one data point does make a trend. Rather, in this instance, the 2nd place finish represents an anomaly when we look at all the data as a whole. The trend is apparent. Win at a consistent level with other players, lose (relatively speaking) at a consistent level with his own.
2003–04 Illinois 26–7 13–3 1st
2004–05 Illinois 37–2 15–1 1st
2005–06 Illinois 26–7 11–5 T–2nd
2006–07 Illinois 23–12 9–7 T–4th
2007–08 Illinois 16–19 5–13 T–9th
2008–09 Illinois 24–10 11–7 T–2nd
2009–10 Illinois 21–15 10–8 5th
2010–11 Illinois 20–14 9–9 T–4th
2011–12 Illinois 17–15 6–12 9th
2012–13 Kansas State 27–8 14–4 T–1st
2013–14 Kansas State 20–13 10–8 5th
...but I apologize, my post wasn't really what this thread was for.
What about at SIU where he actually did better at the end of his tenure?
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If he can avoid a 1st half like the one against Georgia and he starts Tre at point guard. Also sit Foster until his attitude changes. As you can tell I am torqued off. Blind spastics could play better - this is q coaching thing. Is the offense too complicated? If so, scrape it like Martin did with his crap offense whenhis coaches rrecommended it. I am not totally on the bandwagon to dump coaches, but I am checking when it might go through Reno Co. I hope I will have a reason to flip the bandwagon driver a bird, but I am getting discourage especially with high hopes at the start of the season.
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I wish foster would show more attitude. I would love for him to tell the world he will not play in the NIT or the CBI. I would love for him to continually jack threes and say something to the effect of fOOD being his "mother rough rider house".
Some of our fans have selective memories.
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oscar's situation is a lot like Adnan's. i mean if it's not him, who is it?
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oscar's situation is a lot like Adnan's. i mean if it's not him, who is it?
haha
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I wish foster would show more attitude. I would love for him to tell the world he will not play in the NIT or the CBI. I would love for him to continually jack threes and say something to the effect of fOOD being his "mother rough rider house".
Some of our fans have selective memories.
Who can forget "YOU ARE THE MOST SELFISH MOTHER rough rider I'VE EVER COACHED" or something at Oregon
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Yes. Also, I don't remember Jake ever being benched to the tune of a crap loss.
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He should be coach because he probably over achieved years 1 and 2. Year 3 has been an unabated disaster and negates 1 and 2 unless promptly corrected. If year 4 isn't at least respectable (22 wins) his ass should be canned. But kstate isn't canning a guy who wins 21 games, thus the conundrum.
I personally don't like how he doesn't seem to care when our players make mind numbingly stupid plays that you would scold a 4th grader for, so I'd have canned him yesterday.
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His suits are cut pretty well
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Because I'm a Cat fan and I don't know any better.
That's why! :runaway:
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Has oscar ever drawn up a good play in a close game with only a couple possessions left? Only one I can think of is 2013 @Baylor.
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Has oscar ever drawn up a good play in a close game with only a couple possessions left? Only one I can think of is 2013 @Baylor.
Most coaches are bad at this
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Has oscar ever drawn up a good play in a close game with only a couple possessions left? Only one I can think of is 2013 @Baylor.
Most coaches are bad at this
I guess I can see that. Or at least understand why people would perceive that, since you'd have, on average, what a 40% chance of hitting a 2-pt shot and 33% chance of hitting a 3-pt shot on any given possession that you even get a shot off. Not to mention if you draw it up during a timeout then the other team has also had a timeout to draw up what they want to do on defense. But I feel like everytime we draw up, it's significantly worse than our average play. Look at our last three possessions of Georgia, La Salle, and obviously Texas Southern. One ended in Tre Harris driving toward the basket when I have zero recollection of him taking a shot less than 15 feet long prior to that possession.
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Has oscar ever drawn up a good play in a close game with only a couple possessions left? Only one I can think of is 2013 @Baylor.
Most coaches are bad at this
I guess I can see that. Or at least understand why people would perceive that, since you'd have, on average, what a 40% chance of hitting a 2-pt shot and 33% chance of hitting a 3-pt shot on any given possession that you even get a shot off. Not to mention if you draw it up during a timeout then the other team has also had a timeout to draw up what they want to do on defense. But I feel like everytime we draw up, it's significantly worse than our average play. Look at our last three possessions of Georgia, La Salle, and obviously Texas Southern. One ended in Tre Harris driving toward the basket when I have zero recollection of him taking a shot less than 15 feet long prior to that possession.
Yeah I think this is pretty common for most coaches. One thing that makes these possessions more difficult is that they are inevitably shorter and thus more difficult than a regular full possession. I'm a big fan of just giving your best player the ball, maybe setting a screen, and asking them to make a play.
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I wish foster would show more attitude. I would love for him to tell the world he will not play in the NIT or the CBI. I would love for him to continually jack threes and say something to the effect of fOOD being his "mother rough rider house".
Some of our fans have selective memories.
He needs to say crap like this. That's puts me in the shitty tude camp. If he had this attitude and said that crap. It would look better to me.
I miss Pullen and want more guys like him.
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I can't think of one single argument.
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He had the lead at half at Stillwater
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My completely unsupported random prediction looks pretty good! Yay pure chance!
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Foster's shitty attitude should buy him at least two more years
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Foster's shitty attitude should buy him at least two more years
Yep, oscar is very smart. Losses from now on actually strengthen his position. Losing out will make him a hero who took a stand against today's entitled athletes.
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His players don't like playing hard, tough to win with players like that
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I don't think this is fun at all. I hate this feeling.
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Be forewarned, if I catch anyone making a case for oscar, I'll reach through the interwebs and strangle your throat to death
:curse:
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His players don't like playing hard, tough to win with players like that
This was about the second stupidest talking point in post game second only to Stan's mom's cooking.
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I don't think this is fun at all. I hate this feeling.
You need a better attitude.
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His players don't like playing hard, tough to win with players like that
This was about the second stupidest talking point in post game second only to Stan's mom's cooking.
you should tell oscar that because that is exactly what he said in post game.
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His players don't like playing hard, tough to win with players like that
This was about the second stupidest talking point in post game second only to Stan's mom's cooking.
you should tell oscar that because that is exactly what he said in post game.
He should stop recruiting huge pussies then.
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If oscar remains for now, currie can't choose the replacement.
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This season has a significant pair of statistical anomalies.
Its very unlikely he'll have his worst TO% team (on offense) and his worst eFG% team (on defense) in the same year ever again. OFF TO% is over 3% worse and eFG% DEF is over 6% worse than oscar's average in 11 other power conference seasons.
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K-State basketball will likely be set back further if Schulz and Currie select the next coach than riding it out with oscar until their replacements can fire oscar and hire a new guy.