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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Blackcats on December 28, 2014, 06:41:47 PM
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Place your favorite to replace oscar Weber here. It's time to put him out to pasture.
STEVE DAVE PLEASE PROVIDE THE LIST OF COACHES AND THEIR RANKINGS FOR ME!
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I dunno, I guess underwood.
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Brad Underwood
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Frank. Duh.
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Smart
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If Underwood comes in next year we can still salvage Marcus Fosters career.
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Fire Currie, bring Frank back
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Brad Underwood. All in.
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#TeamUnderwood
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yeah, I want frank back
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Why did Auburn have to hire Pearl? :blank:
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Well what other major conference team is going to fire their coach for incompetence that we can snatch up? We seem to love other programs' garbage after all.
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Who shouldn't replace oscar Weber?
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John Currie should replace oscar, and replace him completely without the input of gene rough ridin' keady.
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Travis Ford. :ROFL:
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eff no. he would bring that bitch paige along and i would burn somebodies house down if he started wearing purple
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Gottlieb.
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Fran McCaffrey.
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We just ran off Frank. No way we hire Frank Lite.
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We just ran off Frank. No way we hire Frank Lite.
Yes way. This is the just fired coach Currie will hire. Perfectly reactionary. Bring in a dickheaded psycho to follow the doughy pussy you just canned. Plus he is an old white guy, which Currie probably inherently feels more at ease with. Match made in heaven. It'll be his last job just like oscar!
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Frank is weber lite w/ his own recruits ppl. Follow the game.
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Travis Ford. :ROFL:
I would absolutely do it as long as we don't swap contracts
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What about a good assistant?
Kenny Payne?
Steve Robinson?
Bobby Lutz?
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What about a good assistant?
Kenny Payne?
Steve Robinson?
Bobby Lutz?
We both know Currie won't hire an assistant.
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Would he hire a media personality?
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Travis Ford
eff YOU
Gottlieb.
eff YOU
Fran McCaffrey
AND eff YOU
WHO"S NEXT?
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Travis Ford
eff YOU
Gottlieb.
eff YOU
Fran McCaffrey
AND eff YOU
WHO"S NEXT?
Dennis Franchione
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Travis Ford
eff YOU
Gottlieb.
eff YOU
Fran McCaffrey
AND eff YOU
WHO"S NEXT?
Dennis Franchione
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:fatty:
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I love these threads, it's a trip down SLTH/Mediocrity/Roadtonowhere Lane.
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Travis Ford
eff YOU
Gottlieb.
eff YOU
Fran McCaffrey
AND eff YOU
WHO"S NEXT?
ha!
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Travis Ford
eff YOU
Gottlieb.
eff YOU
Fran McCaffrey
AND eff YOU
WHO"S NEXT?
ha!
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I makes me happy that you got that reference
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the hurricane
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I'll bring some intelligence and thought to this thread, because we aren't going to get any from the Frankites / BID'ers.
Brad Underwood:
Peggy's: Great 1st season, smart coach, good coaching tree.
Nancy's: Decent start to 14-15, but got mauled against the 2 P5 teams SFA played. Coaching tree is one that has a history of mediocre to slightly above mediocre recruiting, which could be overcome if Und's brings JYC back.
Dax Rating: Definitely worth a look if the John Currie Trend-O-Meter continues to register "Down" with Bruceketball.
Tangible Reality: The Currie Factor aka Currie Trend-O-Meter combined with branch of the Frank coaching tree.
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i wonder if keady would let us hire painter? i bet he would.
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I would rather hire robbie hummel (sp).
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I would rather hire robbie hummel (sp).
but it's not up to you. it's up to gene keady.
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I'll bring some intelligence and thought to this thread, because we aren't going to get any from the Frankites / BID'ers.
Brad Underwood:
Peggy's: Great 1st season, smart coach, good coaching tree.
Nancy's: Decent start to 14-15, but got mauled against the 2 P5 teams SFA played. Coaching tree is one that has a history of mediocre to slightly above mediocre recruiting, which could be overcome if Und's brings JYC back.
Dax Rating: Definitely worth a look if the John Currie Trend-O-Meter continues to register "Down" with Bruceketball.
Tangible Reality: The Currie Factor aka Currie Trend-O-Meter combined with branch of the Frank coaching tree.
Peggy: SFA beat the crap out of Long Beach. We, obviously, did not.
Tangible reality: Die hard KSU alum and very popular assistant under Frank would probably get support from big money donors, and Currie might not have a choice if Brad wins another conference title or two while we wait out the end of the oscar era.
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Idk if I'm convinced Brad would be good here.
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Idk if I'm convinced Brad would be good here.
me either. the time to hire underwood was when he might have had the ability to keep momentum, greenwalt, angel, upshaw, etc. not necessarily now. not that i'd hate it but it would've been a better hire three years ago.
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Gottlieb
Frank
Hurricane
----above this line are great hires and we all party, below this line are ok I guess----
Underwood
----above this line are ok I guess, below this line I burn this place to the ground----
McCaffery (sp?)
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CALIPARI'S BEST RECRUITER AND FORMER HARLEM GLOBE TROTTER ORLANDO ANTIGUA
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I don't think Underwood would do any worse than Frank did. He would be a great hire.
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CALIPARI'S BEST RECRUITER AND FORMER HARLEM GLOBE TROTTER ORLANDO ANTIGUA
n/m how is south florida doing?
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CALIPARI'S BEST RECRUITER AND FORMER HARLEM GLOBE TROTTER ORLANDO ANTIGUA
n/m how is south florida doing?
the same as us
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Gottlieb
Frank
----above this line are great hires and we all party, below this line are ok I guess----
Underwood
----above this line are ok I guess, below this line I burn this place to the ground----
McCaffery (sp?)
Any list that has Frank above the line (especially after his flailing at S Carolina) and Brad below the top line is silly and invalid.
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Gottlieb
Frank
----above this line are great hires and we all party, below this line are ok I guess----
Underwood
----above this line are ok I guess, below this line I burn this place to the ground----
McCaffery (sp?)
Any list that has Frank above the line (especially after his flailing at SCarilina) and Brad below the top line is silly and invalid.
that's the list shithead. I don't make the decisions, I just post it.
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Gottlieb
Frank
----above this line are great hires and we all party, below this line are ok I guess----
Underwood
----above this line are ok I guess, below this line I burn this place to the ground----
McCaffery (sp?)
Any list that has Frank above the line (especially after his flailing at S Carolina) and Brad below the top line is silly and invalid.
I think South Carolina is a whole lot better than we are this season.
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Gottlieb
Frank
----above this line are great hires and we all party, below this line are ok I guess----
Underwood
----above this line are ok I guess, below this line I burn this place to the ground----
McCaffery (sp?)
Any list that has Frank above the line (especially after his flailing at SCarilina) and Brad below the top line is silly and invalid.
that's the list shithead. I don't make the decision, I just post it.
Um. I think you've forgot who you're talking to.
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I would rather hire robbie hummel (sp).
but it's not up to you. it's up to gene keady.
WWGKD? Save Robbie for Purdue, that's what, I guess.
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This thread has the makings of an old fashioned SD vs. Blackcats off.
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eh, let's just keep oscar. whatever.
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eh, let's just keep oscar. whatever.
THE WORD
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Idk if I'm convinced Brad would be good here.
me either. the time to hire underwood was when he might have had the ability to keep momentum, greenwalt, angel, upshaw, etc. not necessarily now. not that i'd hate it but it would've been a better hire three years ago.
I think they'll probably win the Southland again this year and go dancing again. If we keep oscar next year, more than likely, Brad's record will be hard to ignore.
Spitballing here...hire Underwood and see if Frazier will stay? Brooks isn't an awful recruiter, either. Maybe just ditch everyone else?
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Idk if I'm convinced Brad would be good here.
me either. the time to hire underwood was when he might have had the ability to keep momentum, greenwalt, angel, upshaw, etc. not necessarily now. not that i'd hate it but it would've been a better hire three years ago.
I think they'll probably win the Southland again this year and go dancing again. If we keep oscar next year, more than likely, Brad's record will be hard to ignore.
Spitballing here...hire Underwood and see if Frazier will stay? Brooks isn't an awful recruiter, either. Maybe just ditch everyone else?
much more likely Brooks with his TX ties and really no connection to Weber would stay than Chet.
If the season does go KenPom, I think Brad would have a chance to pick up the pieces fairly quickly, especially if he can keep Marcus and Wes.
Brad has Pastrana with him at SFA and a former NYC Riverside Hawk that played at SoCar. Keep AB3 around, add in Brad's connections at Sunrise (he has 3 start committed to SFA from there for 15) and I could see us salvaging some of the momentum from the last 7 years. Also, Dalonte is available...
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let's get the rough ridin' gang back together. I mean why not.
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Frank wouldn't come back unless we fired/lost currie. so we can forget about it. would be amazing though.
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There's a large contingent on this board where I'd be legitimately worried about their safety if Frank ever came back, because they would be partying so rough ridin' hard :emawkid:
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Frank wouldn't come back unless we fired/lost currie. so we can forget about it. would be amazing though.
In all seriousness I don't think it's a given that Underwood would come back, just because of Currie. He might be better served going to like a Southern Miss type job before a P5 job. (He wouldn't, but he might think that).
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Frank's not coming back, kids
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Frank's not coming back, kids
no crap? huh.
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A Currie hire must meet the following criteria:
1. Head coaching experience
2. Had some arguable level of success
3. Can be had for a "below market" price
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A Currie hire must meet the following criteria:
1. Head coaching experience
2. Had some arguable level of success
3. Can be had for a "below market" price
I mean I think he'd go after undy hard but I don't think Undy would want to work with him.
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A Currie hire must meet the following criteria:
1. Head coaching experience
2. Had some arguable level of success
3. Can be had for a "below market" price
I mean I think he'd go after undy hard but I don't think Undy would want to work with him.
Have his feelings changed since Frank moved on? Seemed like he was ready to take the job at that point. K-State is still a much better job than SFA, or probably any other gig available to him at this point. Also, I think Brad's smart enough to realize that he would basically just need to refrain from shouting quite as many obscenities on the sidelines as Frank to have a decent working relationship with our current AD.
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Frank's not coming back, kids
no crap? huh.
Yep, not going to happen cRustyMcMichiCat, sorry, friend.
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A Currie hire must meet the following criteria:
1. Head coaching experience
2. Had some arguable level of success
3. Can be had for a "below market" price
Criteria 3 wasn't a part of the oscar hire. Unless it was just that he could have gotten him very cheaply and then chose not to.
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Guys, Underwood and Currie are good. Brad was given two options when Frank ran away:
1. Stay as an assistant.
2. Go be a head coach and show success. If oscar doesn't work out you'll be my first phone call.
Well, Brad has done his part. Make the phone call Captain Crap!
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i would like Brad but can he recruit? i feel like he recruited Texas for Frank but am too lazy to look up who he landed. Gip?
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Who should might be relative to how soon bruceketball is tossed out like the garbage it has become. Are we thinking this season or the next?
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Is there any talk of oscar being on the hot seat other than on here? I bet we have oscar for at least two more years regardless of how awful we are.
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Guys, Underwood and Currie are good. Brad was given two options when Frank ran away:
1. Stay as an assistant.
2. Go be a head coach and show success. If oscar doesn't work out you'll be my first phone call.
Well, Brad has done his part. Make the phone call Captain Crap!
:billdance:
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Is there any talk of oscar being on the hot seat other than on here? I bet we have oscar for at least two more years regardless of how awful we are.
It's the inevitability of what will happen.
We aren't winning crap this year, and we most likely won't even get to the NIT. If that happens, season ticket sales will plummet.
With falling ticket sales and decreased revenue, oscar has one more season to right the ship. But our complete lack of a point guard and no post play will almost guarantee that next year will be just like this. If that happens, season ticket sales will fall again, revenues will decrease, etc.
MIR probably said it best (paraphrasing) when he said that Currie won't allow a revenue sport to slip so far that it will hurt his ability to create that massive surplus. I agree with that.
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Is there any talk of oscar being on the hot seat other than on here? I bet we have oscar for at least two more years regardless of how awful we are.
It's the inevitability of what will happen.
We aren't winning crap this year, and we most likely won't even get to the NIT. If that happens, season ticket sales will plummet.
With falling ticket sales and decreased revenue, oscar has one more season to right the ship. But our complete lack of a point guard and no post play will almost guarantee that next year will be just like this. If that happens, season ticket sales will fall again, revenues will decrease, etc.
MIR probably said it best (paraphrasing) when he said that Currie won't allow a revenue sport to slip so far that it will hurt his ability to create that massive surplus. I agree with that.
How much does he owe oscar and for how many years?
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Is there any talk of oscar being on the hot seat other than on here? I bet we have oscar for at least two more years regardless of how awful we are.
It's the inevitability of what will happen.
We aren't winning crap this year, and we most likely won't even get to the NIT. If that happens, season ticket sales will plummet.
With falling ticket sales and decreased revenue, oscar has one more season to right the ship. But our complete lack of a point guard and no post play will almost guarantee that next year will be just like this. If that happens, season ticket sales will fall again, revenues will decrease, etc.
MIR probably said it best (paraphrasing) when he said that Currie won't allow a revenue sport to slip so far that it will hurt his ability to create that massive surplus. I agree with that.
How much does he owe oscar and for how many years?
Not sure. I know his contract was extended to 2019 earlier this year. However, I don't know if we have a buyout clause or not. He makes $1.85m a year with a 100k escalator every year. So, we'd owe him $1.95 next year, $2.05m, $2.15m, and then $2.25m.
Now...Underwood makes $400k next year at SFA. My guess is that he'd probably take the job for $900k-$1.1m. If that's the case, and we have to pay oscar each year for the remainder of his contract, we'd be eating about $3.0-$3.3m per year for a basketball coach, all things considered. That's not completely horrible.
But we won't be able to go out there and get a guy for another $2+ million a year for sure.
Besides, if Underwood were here for three years and had strong success, we'd give him a big bump pretty quickly to retain him, so it would all balance out.
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that piece of garbage gene kiedy should have to pay us back everything we owe oscar
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This is the last year we pay oscar his 1.3 mil per. :emawkid:
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that piece of garbage gene kiedy should have to pay us back everything we owe oscar
That extension, though. Woof. That's all Currie.
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:weber: is here for long time folks. His seat is likely the third coolest behind Self and Hoi.
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EMAW Lessons Learned: Always include a buyout.
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Do you guys think Kareem Richardson would listen if Currie called him?
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Guys, there is no way we are going to pay a combo $3M salary for a Basketball HC sitch. oscar is ours until at least 2017. By then, _FAN may be the only one left watching other than Ricky D. The only question I have is will oscar's dumbassery still entertain Rick by then?
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it's fleeting
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where is Eddie Fogler when you need him?
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What lines does ksu_FWN go over/under?
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Guys, there is no way we are going to pay a combo $3M salary for a Basketball HC sitch. oscar is ours until at least 2017. By then, _FAN may be the only one left watching other than Ricky D. The only question I have is will oscar's dumbassery still entertain Rick by then?
Can anyone lend an honest approximation of how much revenue will be lost annually if we continue in this unwatchable/unsupportable direction?
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What lines does ksu_FWN go over/under?
oscar is here the rest of this season and next season. Minimum. JMHO.
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What lines does ksu_FWN go over/under?
oscar is here the rest of this season and next season. Minimum. JMHO.
OK, but I meant you as Weber's replacement - party, meh or BID?
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The thing about Weber is there's no linear expectation curve, at least that's my take from his days here and at Illinois. When you think his team should be good based on the previous year, it may flat suck. If you expect nothing, it may perform way above expectations (last year). Of course, sometimes they play to chalk.
But the thing the next year is always a crap shoot even if the overall trend is down. Logically, I'm ready to write off next year as a disaster that would hopefully get oscar fired. The POS will probably roll the dice on an exceeding expectations year that will shore up tuck support for a decade.
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With any luck, his mower rolls on him this summer.
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With any luck, his mower rolls on him this summer.
He uses and old rotary mower. No injury from that.
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The thing about Weber is there's no linear expectation curve, at least that's my take from his days here and at Illinois. When you think his team should be good based on the previous year, it may flat suck. If you expect nothing, it may perform way above expectations (last year). Of course, sometimes they play to chalk.
But the thing the next year is always a crap shoot even if the overall trend is down. Logically, I'm ready to write off next year as a disaster that would hopefully get oscar fired. The POS will probably roll the dice on an exceeding expectations year that will shore up tuck support for a decade.
You really get oscar.
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The only thing that gets oscar out of here in the next two years is two very bad seasons combined with poor revenue/fan support and Brad Underwood winning at a level that is impossible to ignore. IMO
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Page 8, you're welcome (holy rough ridin balls you guys suck at research. Don't claim a K-State education . . . thanks)
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/Bruce_Weber_Contract.pdf
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Page 8, you're welcome (holy rough ridin balls you guys suck at research. Don't claim a K-State education . . . thanks)
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/Bruce_Weber_Contract.pdf
Dax, post the link to your Article IV spreadshirt!
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Page 8, you're welcome (holy rough ridin balls you guys suck at research. Don't claim a K-State education . . . thanks)
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/Bruce_Weber_Contract.pdf
should use this information to start a bake sale immediately, like Wednesday outside the concourse. When asked what it's for, prompt the child running it to say "to make the bad man go away"
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should make one of those cartooney-thermometer fundraising signs with "$2.5 million" written on it, too
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Ben Howland should be available.
Seriously would take Dan Monson
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$2.5 million buyout with the dollar-for-dollar reduction isn't bad at all assuming we can get Texas Tech to hire oscar for the exact amount they are paying tubby.
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The much easier route is the list on page 9.
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he's already broken vii. run his ass john.
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i wonder how many of those are a direct result of having frank martin as our previous coach?
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Anyone. Just give me anyone, but oscar Weber.
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Weird Robert.
He'd be cheap. Would be a media darling. Tucks would love him. gE would love him.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Someone, im going to go out on a ledge and say someone from on here, asked Fran F who Bruces replacement should be; response winter or Hartman.
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We hire jacob pullen.
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Why is Fran McCaffery even mentioned in this thread? Havs confused.
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i think barry hinson would make a fine replacement for DeBruce
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We hire jacob pullen.
I'd love Pullen to come back in some capacity under Underwood.
HC - Underwood
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AC - Pastrana
Some role - Pullen
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We hire jacob pullen.
I'd love Pullen to come back in some capacity under Underwood.
HC - Underwood
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AC -
AC - Pastrana
Some role - Pullen
Would take Gottlieb as an AC.
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I'm going to tuck out and say hold on any decision regarding oscar until we play 10 conference games. If we go .500, keep oscar, if not, revert to previous (well most of them, anyway) posts. Most of the suggestions are unrealistic or worse than oscar.
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If we are going to suck, I'd like Tim Jankovich to coach the team so I could come to practice and give motivational speeches.
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I want a coach fans fall in love with...not just K-State fans, but all basketball fans and the media. I want a coach who can positively engage in social media. I want a coach who actually cares to take his new laptop out of the box and turn it on (apparently this happened.....oscar is not a technology guy). I want a coach who doesn't mow his own lawn, because he is too busy recruiting and trying to build a basketball team. This is the type of coach I want to replace oscar. A guy with character.... and a guy who is accountable for every aspect of the team.
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I'm going to tuck out and say hold on any decision regarding oscar until we play 10 conference games. If we go .500, keep oscar, if not, revert to previous (well most of them, anyway) posts. Most of the suggestions are unrealistic or worse than oscar.
No, every single one of these suggestions are worlds better than oscar. Every single one of them.
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I want a coach who can positively engage in social media.
Got 2 do it 4 the fans
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I'm going to tuck out and say hold on any decision regarding oscar until we play 10 conference games. If we go .500, keep oscar, if not, revert to previous (well most of them, anyway) posts. Most of the suggestions are unrealistic or worse than oscar.
No, every single one of these suggestions are worlds better than oscar. Every single one of them.
Yeah, idk how you can get worse than oscar right now.
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Marshall would be a hoot. He'd finally get to tangle with Bill Self, and the Valley is dying without Creighton.
He's probably aiming WAY higher than us, though.
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Marshall would be a hoot. He'd finally get to tangle with Bill Self, and the Valley is dying without Creighton.
He's probably aiming WAY higher than us, though.
yeah. no way he's leaving wsu for us.
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would be great to get a marshall/frankamp combo
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would be great to get a marshall/frankamp combo
imagine if frankamp left ku to get away from self and then marshall came here and self took the wichita job. that would suck for him, dudes. :eek:
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I want a maniacal type of guy so all the Too Cool for Schoolers aka The Frankites aka GoEMAWTucks can get all excited and gush enthusiastically like little groupies every time the maniacal coach is maniacal.
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I want a maniacal type of guy so all the Too Cool for Schoolers aka The Frankites aka GoEMAWTucks can get all excited and gush enthusiastically like little groupies every time the maniacal coach is maniacal.
i think we would all be very happy if we just got a coach that knew how to consistently win.
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I want a maniacal type of guy so all the Too Cool for Schoolers aka The Frankites aka GoEMAWTucks can get all excited and gush enthusiastically like little groupies every time the maniacal coach is maniacal.
i think we would all be very happy if we just got a coach that knew how to consistently win.
But you wanna say things like, "go get'em (insert coaches name here)" whenever they get all mad and crazy . . . you know it.
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good grief fanning
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I want a maniacal type of guy so all the Too Cool for Schoolers aka The Frankites aka GoEMAWTucks can get all excited and gush enthusiastically like little groupies every time the maniacal coach is maniacal.
i think we would all be very happy if we just got a coach that knew how to consistently win.
But you wanna say things like, "go get'em (insert coaches name here)" whenever they get all mad and crazy . . . you know it.
don't care about anything but consistently winning at a pretty high level. good popcorn at ood would probably be second on my list.
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I want winning, consistency, and entertainment.
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Some of guys lie a lot.
Sad
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I would have hated Frank if he wasn't always winning so many games.
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I don't think I would have hated him, but wouldn't have rallied to keep him. Completely diff sitch than Weber, though.
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I don't think I would have hated him, but wouldn't have rallied to keep him. Completely diff sitch than Weber, though.
Well, if you aren't winning games, you are losing them, and if you are a loser, I don't want you coaching the KSU Wildcats basketball team. That's how I look at it, anyway.
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Yeah, but if he did that, he was an assistant in his first HC job. You throw out a "welp" and move on. oscar is an HC with a track record. It is reasonable to be pissed if his track record repeats itself.
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I want a maniacal type of guy so all the Too Cool for Schoolers aka The Frankites aka GoEMAWTucks can get all excited and gush enthusiastically like little groupies every time the maniacal coach is maniacal.
i think we would all be very happy if we just got a coach that knew how to consistently win.
But you wanna say things like, "go get'em (insert coaches name here)" whenever they get all mad and crazy . . . you know it.
don't care about anything but consistently winning at a pretty high level. good popcorn at ood would probably be second on my list.
Yes, winning comes first. You could say everything else is just gravy, but being likeable and having an identity are pretty big in the mix as well. A lot of things about Frank fit pretty well around here, there is no denying that, but there are other ways to jive with fans.
Some coaches are slick and cool, others have dry wit, some guys are gruff yet endearing.
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If Frank were losing games, I would hate how he was always yelling at our players and coming across as a psychopath. Instead, he was winning games, so I enjoyed that about him. Similarly, last year when it was looking like this whole oscar Weber thing might work out at least until Foster graduates, I thought it was awesome that we have a socially awkward coach who overcomes the adversity he creates for himself to compete for Big 12 titles and embarrass better coaches. Right now I hate his guts and want Currie to move his office to the hole where Vanier used to be.
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yeah, and every year, no matter how bad we looked vs mid majors in the non con (but still won) and how slowly we started conference play we always had Frankuary to look forward to.
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I want a maniacal type of guy so all the Too Cool for Schoolers aka The Frankites aka GoEMAWTucks can get all excited and gush enthusiastically like little groupies every time the maniacal coach is maniacal.
i think we would all be very happy if we just got a coach that knew how to consistently win.
But you wanna say things like, "go get'em (insert coaches name here)" whenever they get all mad and crazy . . . you know it.
Jesus, you're weird. I'm sure there are lots of fans that want our team to play harder than we've played under oscar, but that doesn't necessarily mean the coach has to be a screamer. I really doubt that anybody loved Frank because he yelled a lot and made monster faces, pretty sure we enjoyed the winning and the players acting like they cared the majority of the time.
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Thoughts on Archie Miller? I mean who wouldn't leave Dayton for K-State.
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Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.
Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
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Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.
Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?
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could we get roy williams?
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What about Jerry Tarkanian or Steve Fischer or oscar Pearl or Cankles or The Washburn Coach????
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what about the washburn coach with cankles as a coach in waiting? :dunno:
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Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.
Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?
jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.
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what about the washburn coach with cankles as a coach in waiting? :dunno:
Would take so long as one or both starts having frequently occurring infrequent violent outbursts.
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what about the washburn coach with cankles as a coach in waiting? :dunno:
Would take so long as one or both starts having frequently occurring infrequent violent outbursts.
make this happen john currie! :curse:
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Kelvin Sampson has reportedly learned his lesson :dunno:
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If Frank were losing games, I would hate how he was always yelling at our players and coming across as a psychopath. Instead, he was winning games, so I enjoyed that about him. Similarly, last year when it was looking like this whole oscar Weber thing might work out at least until Foster graduates, I thought it was awesome that we have a socially awkward coach who overcomes the adversity he creates for himself to compete for Big 12 titles and embarrass better coaches. Right now I hate his guts and want Currie to move his office to the hole where Vanier used to be.
This. I admit to getting a warm fuzzy tuck thinking that all oscar needed was a new shot and a little confidence to come into his own and flourish. Like the aspy kid who fights against all the odds and comes out on top. But with the losing, his under-bus-throwing, and general blame diverting i've grown repulsed by him.
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Robert Lipsom. He'd do it for a company vehicle and nominal pay.
Gonna win 'em all!
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While I realize that the Big 12 has a lot of ranked teams, in watching a number of Big 12 teams this year, I'd have to say that everyone is beatable.
So if K-State under Weber woefully underperforms this year, and so far they are. That's extremely telling and I don't see how the John Currie Traject-O-Meter can register anything but a solid "program in decline" if K-State tanks this year.
Really inexcusable for a team with this much potential, with a number of guys who have already seen the minutes in Big 12 play to not be able to finish in the upper half of the conference and make the NCAA tourney.
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could we get roy williams?
He kinda sucks now.
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Let's dig up Wilt. Bronze hI'm, put a speaker in him, and put his carcass on the bench. We can hire someone to broadcast from the speaker cussing, yelling, and plays. A zombie coach in the Doom would be scary. If not, Go get Marshal at WSU if Weber goes surfing in Hawaii with Keady.
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Let's dig up Wilt. Bronze hI'm, put a speaker in him, and put his carcass on the bench. We can hire someone to broadcast from the speaker cussing, yelling, and plays. A zombie coach in the Doom would be scary. If not, Go get Marshal at WSU if Weber goes surfing in Hawaii with Keady.
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Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.
Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?
jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.
What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.
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It's been well-documented that he is waiting for Coach K to die. He's young, so he can wait a long time.
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Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.
Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?
Who the hell wants to come to Manhattan frickin Kansas!!!??? REALLY?
jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.
What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.
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Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.
Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?
jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.
What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.
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Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.
Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?
jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.
What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.
The fact that Stevens had so many college opportunities (including several at the top level) that he passed up to stay at Butler makes me think he'll be plenty choosy if/when he returns to college.
However, notable College-NBA-College hires definitely make it seem like we might have a chance: Mike Montgomery to Cal, Cal to Memphis, Pitino to Louisville, Floyd to USC, Leonard Hamilton to Miami, etc. Of course, with the exception of Pitino, none of those guys were as sought after as Stevens was (except Pitino). Also, eff off.
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Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.
Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?
jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.
What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.
Also, I'm going to remind you that the last time we hired a coach we hired one that had been fired from a fellow Tier 2 school like, 2 weeks prior. So YOU can get mumped if you think it's unreasonable to expect our AD to make a run at a coach who will almost definitely be the most sought-after candidate for a college job in the country the next time he's available.
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Ben Howland
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Derick Hammes
Gonna win 'em all!
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Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.
Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?
jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.
What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.
The fact that Stevens had so many college opportunities (including several at the top level) that he passed up to stay at Butler makes me think he'll be plenty choosy if/when he returns to college.
However, notable College-NBA-College hires definitely make it seem like we might have a chance: Mike Montgomery to Cal, Cal to Memphis, Pitino to Louisville, Floyd to USC, Leonard Hamilton to Miami, etc. Of course, with the exception of Pitino, none of those guys were as sought after as Stevens was (except Pitino). Also, eff off.
I think guys like Stevens, Smart, and Marshall haven't left because the tier 1 jobs haven't came calling. They have tier 2 jobs with amazing security already. Why go from Wichita State to Maryland when the money is similar but you have to start over, not have as much security, but will have the weight of the world in expectations? I'm listening to a podcast right now that's talking about how a tier 1 job, UCLA, could have had Marshall but they didn't want to wait for him to complete his final 4 run. It is just so rare for one of these jobs to open, it's why Stevens is being linked to Indiana but they don't even have an opening. BTW if that opening happens this year, Stevens isn't leaving Boston, even for Indiana.
Your example of NBA coaches leaving the NBA for tier 2 jobs can be extrapolated to like forever, and thank you for recognizing that Louisiville isn't a tier 1 job, and certainly wasn't even close when Pitino took that job. The example can also be extrapolated to the NFL, no NFL loser falls into a top college job, not even Steve Spurrier.
Also my rant wasn't directed at you per se. The tone of Bones' post particularly set me off. There are K-State fans that think good coaches see the name and just laugh and say, no rough ridin' chance. I'm sure you're well aware that K-State is like many many many college jobs and there aren't too many that are flat out better on their face.
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the quality of the job has a great deal to do with the actual specific job being offered. it isn't a static quality based just on the school, location, etc.
there was an interesting article about buzz williams leaving marquette that talked about the importance of the contract offered. i'll see if i can link it.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24592329/new-faces-new-places-why-did-buzz-williams-leave-marquette-for-vtu
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If MIR wants to put KSU into tier 2 then there are more than 30 or 40 tier 2 jobs imo. Any P5 school not in tier 1 is easily in tier 2 just due to the football money they are making alone, so we are at 55.
Then you have the Georgetowns and Villanovas and Gonzagas of the world that have been good to great at basketball for decades and have a donor base to pay a good coach what he would make at all but the bluest of blue bloods. I would say there are 10 to 15 of those. Wichita State and Gonzaga seem to be pretty good floors for tier 2 as they are not in giant media markets like the Big East schools but have proven to find ways to pay good coaches market rate salaries.
I think the Kstate job is right in the middle of the tier 2 with really the only advantage over other P5 schools being we care more than most football schools.
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If MIR wants to put KSU into tier 2 then there are more than 30 or 40 tier 2 jobs imo. Any P5 school not in tier 1 is easily in tier 2 just due to the football money they are making alone, so we are at 55.
Then you have the Georgetowns and Villanovas and Gonzagas of the world that have been good to great at basketball for decades and have a donor base to pay a good coach what he would make at all but the bluest of blue bloods. I would say there are 10 to 15 of those. Wichita State and Gonzaga seem to be pretty good floors for tier 2 as they are not in giant media markets like the Big East schools but have proven to find ways to pay good coaches market rate salaries.
I think the Kstate job is right in the middle of the tier 2 with really the only advantage over other P5 schools being we care more than most football schools.
Since the latest round of television contracts, I'd say your assessment is correct. Before everyone was getting big money there were a good amount of schools that had little to no tradition, terrible facilities, and frankly seemingly had no interest in improving basketball. You can make the claim that there are still a couple but there are so few that it's irrelevant.
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DERICK rough ridin' HAMMES
Gonna win 'em all!
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how fun would it be if we hired rza from the wu tang clan to be our coach? the answer is a lot.
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imagine the player intros
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How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?
You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.
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Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.
Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?
jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.
What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.
K-State is a good tier 2 job, but being in the shadow of a tier 1 program just down the road in a small state does not help. The reputation of Kansas in general, being in the middle of a lost political experiment clouds how nice Manhattan and K-State really are. We can attract coaches seeking higher salaries, but so can most other tier 2 programs. The history of our program is a plus, but still, Currie would have to be a very good salesman to get a high level coach to come here....possible, but I leave it up to you to figure the probability of that happening.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24592329/new-faces-new-places-why-did-buzz-williams-leave-marquette-for-vtu
that was a fun read
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How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?
You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.
and yet everyone here (except dax and I) wanted FSU in over them in the smoke your cigars expansion thread
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How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?
You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.
I had this same thought yesterday but wasn't in the mood to argue with people so I didn't post it. I even looked up stats to support my claim. They are top 8 in nearly every historical category.
And did you know Louisville has only had two head coaches since 1971? They are the Pittsburgh Steelers of college basketball.
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How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?
You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.
I had this same thought yesterday but wasn't in the mood to argue with people so I didn't post it. I even looked up stats to support my claim. They are top 8 in nearly every historical category.
And did you know Louisville has only had two head coaches since 1971? They are the Pittsburgh Steelers of college basketball.
Yeah, mix in the best AD in the country in Jurich, I'd rank it as one of the one of the top jobs in the country based on the ridiculous resources alone.
I mean, JFC, these guys roll in $26.9 a year in profit from their basketball program with the next closest school in North Carolina at $16.9 million.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/21/news/ncaa-basketball-dollars/ (http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/21/news/ncaa-basketball-dollars/)
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How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?
You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.
and yet everyone here (except dax and I) wanted FSU in over them in the smoke your cigars expansion thread
because basketball status has nothing to do with cigars stuff
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How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?
You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.
and yet everyone here (except dax and I) wanted FSU in over them in the smoke your cigars expansion thread
because basketball status has nothing to do with cigars stuff
right, but athletic dept status does, and theirs is elite and their football team is good too but nice try and stuff
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How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?
You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.
I had this same thought yesterday but wasn't in the mood to argue with people so I didn't post it. I even looked up stats to support my claim. They are top 8 in nearly every historical category.
And did you know Louisville has only had two head coaches since 1971? They are the Pittsburgh Steelers of college basketball.
Yeah, mix in the best AD in the country in Jurich, I'd rank it as one of the one of the top jobs in the country based on the ridiculous resources alone.
I mean, JFC, these guys roll in $26.9 a year in profit from their basketball program with the next closest school in North Carolina at $16.9 million.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/21/news/ncaa-basketball-dollars/ (http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/21/news/ncaa-basketball-dollars/)
They were none of these things before Pitino. As great as Denny Crum was, and I really liked Louisville, they were very much a mid-major program. That profitable stat doesn't much when it comes to determining who is a blue blood. Marquette spends more money per player than any school in the country, what does that mean? Louisville is unquestionably a great program, they aren't a blue blood though. It's not a perfect comparison but they are similar to college football's Oregon.
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The Louisville arena is big, but a little weird too. It is the centerpiece of the city convention center and has a tacky multipurpose feel to it.
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How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?
You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.
I had this same thought yesterday but wasn't in the mood to argue with people so I didn't post it. I even looked up stats to support my claim. They are top 8 in nearly every historical category.
And did you know Louisville has only had two head coaches since 1971? They are the Pittsburgh Steelers of college basketball.
Yeah, mix in the best AD in the country in Jurich, I'd rank it as one of the one of the top jobs in the country based on the ridiculous resources alone.
I mean, JFC, these guys roll in $26.9 a year in profit from their basketball program with the next closest school in North Carolina at $16.9 million.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/21/news/ncaa-basketball-dollars/ (http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/21/news/ncaa-basketball-dollars/)
They were none of these things before Pitino. As great as Denny Crum was, and I really liked Louisville, they were very much a mid-major program. That profitable stat doesn't much when it comes to determining who is a blue blood. Marquette spends more money per player than any school in the country, what does that mean? Louisville is unquestionably a great program, they aren't a blue blood though. It's not a perfect comparison but they are similar to college football's Oregon.
A better comparison to a football school is Florida State. Louisville has been one of the 5 most consistently good teams over the past 40+ years. Crum's run in the 80s is very similar to what Bowden did in the 90s. They may not be a true blue blood like UK or UNC, but they aren't that far behind.
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I would say the following are tier 1
Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Kansas
UCLA
Arizona
Indiana
Ohio State
Florida
Texas
All the bolded schools are traditional basketball first schools with a national name and resources to do whatever it takes to win. The next 3 are clearly football schools in the most talent rich areas where basketball is a nice winter diversion at best(OSU) to almost an afterthought at worst (Texas).
The 2 programs I would consider just on the wrong side of the Tier 1/Tier 2 line are Michigan State and UConn. UConn is pretty easy to down grade due to their crap conference, MSU is a littler tougher to keep out. They have had great success for over 30 years but they aren't clearly a basketball first school and they don't have the incredible resources of FL, TX or tOSU.
I would put Louisville in this group with MSU and UConn now that they are in the ACC. Also, i have heard the incredible profits that UofL enjoys are at least partly due to a YUM Center lease that is essentially city provided welfare but i would need Dax to confirm.
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I would say the following are tier 1
Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Kansas
UCLA
Arizona
Indiana
Ohio State
Florida
Texas
All the bolded schools are traditional basketball first schools with a national name and resources to do whatever it takes to win. The next 3 are clearly football schools in the most talent rich areas where basketball is a nice winter diversion at best(OSU) to almost an afterthought at worst (Texas).
The 2 programs I would consider just on the wrong side of the Tier 1/Tier 2 line are Michigan State and UConn. UConn is pretty easy to down grade due to their crap conference, MSU is a littler tougher to keep out. They have had great success for over 30 years but they aren't clearly a basketball first school and they don't have the incredible resources of FL, TX or tOSU.
I would put Louisville in this group with MSU and UConn now that they are in the ACC. Also, i have heard the incredible profits that UofL enjoys are at least partly due to a YUM Center lease that is essentially city provided welfare but i would need Dax to confirm.
Texas doesn't belong there. They've had 100+ years to prove they should be with that group and their results aren't even close. College basketball recruiting is completely national, it is nothing like football. UT has no recruiting advantage with Texas kids and even if they did prep basketball in Texas isn't even close to being as dominant as high school football is the state. Same rule applies to Florida.
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Sadly, Weber ain't going nowhere. Wish he would have recruited kids smart enough to grasp his motion offense. When he coached Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head at Illinois, it was a pleasure to watch them run it. Sometimes they looked like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. He even had players good enough to run it at Southern Illinois. A darn shame he can't get that kind of player at KSU.
It's not "Who should replace oscar Webber?", the question is "Who would want to live in Manhattan long term?". Might be able to get a steppin' stone coach.
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I don't think Catman2 is a cat fan.
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Sadly, Weber ain't going nowhere. Wish he would have recruited kids smart enough to grasp his motion offense. When he coached Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head at Illinois, it was a pleasure to watch them run it. Sometimes they looked like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. He even had players good enough to run it at Southern Illinois. A darn shame he can't get that kind of player at KSU.
It's not "Who should replace oscar Webber?", the question is "Who would want to live in Manhattan long term?". Might be able to get a steppin' stone coach.
DeBruce didn't recruit williams, brown, or head. so there's that.
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also is the premise of this thread that DeBruce is in serious contention for the Orlando Magic job? i'm asking b/c i've heard things.
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
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Sadly, Weber ain't going nowhere. Wish he would have recruited kids smart enough to grasp his motion offense. When he coached Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head at Illinois, it was a pleasure to watch them run it. Sometimes they looked like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. He even had players good enough to run it at Southern Illinois. A darn shame he can't get that kind of player at KSU.
It's not "Who should replace oscar Webber?", the question is "Who would want to live in Manhattan long term?". Might be able to get a steppin' stone coach.
DeBruce didn't recruit williams, brown, or head. so there's that.
Everyone knows that. So you are not confused, he taught players he didn't recruit to run it with success in a very short amount of time. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, tell me they were Self's players. Weber got them to stay, run the motion and they played hard for him.
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
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Quote from: Catman2 on Today at 04:58:50 PM
Sadly, Weber ain't going nowhere. Wish he would have recruited kids smart enough to grasp his motion offense. When he coached Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head at Illinois, it was a pleasure to watch them run it. Sometimes they looked like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. He even had players good enough to run it at Southern Illinois. A darn shame he can't get that kind of player at KSU.
It's not "Who should replace oscar Webber?", the question is "Who would want to live in Manhattan long term?". Might be able to get a steppin' stone coach.
DeBruce didn't recruit williams, brown, or head. so there's that.
Everyone knows that. So you are not confused, he taught players he didn't recruit to run it with success in a very short amount of time. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, tell me they were Self's players. Weber got them to stay, run the motion and they played hard for him.
What is your point? 10 years ago oscar got someone else's stud recruits to run motion and they won a lot of games. It also happened 2 years ago with Frank's players. WGAF? The point here is that oscar is inflexible and cannot adjust to fit his current roster. He can't do it big picture with offensive scheme and he can't do it in-game.
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catman2 is my new favorite poster and sounds like a huge catfan. go cats. :thumbs:
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Go Magic. Go cats.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Catman2 has no regard for the quote function. Is that a C & P with some editing? #outlaw #wellbye
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #182 on: Today at 05:09:05 PM »
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Quote from: Catman2 on Today at 04:58:50 PM
Sadly, Weber ain't going nowhere. Wish he would have recruited kids smart enough to grasp his motion offense. When he coached Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head at Illinois, it was a pleasure to watch them run it. Sometimes they looked like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. He even had players good enough to run it at Southern Illinois. A darn shame he can't get that kind of player at KSU.
It's not "Who should replace oscar Webber?", the question is "Who would want to live in Manhattan long term?". Might be able to get a steppin' stone coach.
DeBruce didn't recruit williams, brown, or head. so there's that.
Everyone knows that. So you are not confused, he taught players he didn't recruit to run it with success in a very short amount of time. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, tell me they were Self's players. Weber got them to stay, run the motion and they played hard for him.
our players that DeBruce recruited are too dumb to run DeBruce's offense.
point- DeBruce
despite DeBruce's success in keeping Self's players, Angel left for Miami because of Angel
point- DeBruce
Catman2 is DeBruce in Catman2's clothing
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big)
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big)
damn, no one knows what humble means.
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big)
damn, no one knows what humble means.
Humble / humbled. Cannot think of a more frequently misused word / phrase (with the possible exception of "begs the question").
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big)
I would be interested to know the other 3 coaches are with better records. My first 2 thoughts were Steve Fisher and Mark Few but they both lost than 6 in their first full season.
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big)
I would be interested to know the other 3 coaches are with better records. My first 2 thoughts were Steve Fisher and Mark Few but they both lost than 6 in their first full season.
Bill Guthridge is one of them! K-State = Cradle of Coaches :ksu:
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big)
At the bottom of that article there's a recommended link about a person that wrote an erotic fan fiction novel featuring Rob Gronkowski, it's appropriately named "A Gronking to Remember".
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big)
damn, no one knows what humble means.
Humble / humbled. Cannot think of a more frequently misused word / phrase (with the possible exception of "begs the question").
Humble has two meanings. It means 'not proud' and it means 'near the ground.' What now?
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big)
damn, no one knows what humble means.
Marcus does!
As for his role of coming off the bench after starting each of the first 46 games in his career?
"It's humbling," Foster replied. "It's something I haven't done in a long time, so it felt a little weird, but I found a little groove from it. If that's something Coach wants to do, then I feel that I can do it.
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We could reanimate jack hartman
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To the OP, oscar Weber.
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I'm going to tuck out and say hold on any decision regarding oscar until we play 10 conference games. If we go .500, keep oscar, if not, revert to previous (well most of them, anyway) posts. Most of the suggestions are unrealistic or worse than oscar.
So, has oscar taken a baby step towards redeeming himself?
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I'm going to tuck out and say hold on any decision regarding oscar until we play 10 conference games. If we go .500, keep oscar, if not, revert to previous (well most of them, anyway) posts. Most of the suggestions are unrealistic or worse than oscar.
So, has oscar taken a baby step towards redeeming himself?
Stay tuned.
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No matter your opinion of oscar, I think its safe to say that after yesterday's win he is in very, very little danger now barring another collapse like we saw in the OOC. This team already has 2 Big 12 wins and will probably win at least 5 more. This was a road win better than any oscar had last year and could be better than any he had his first year (Baylor and Oklahoma that season were pretty good too). I'm not saying anyone should quit #BID, but at this point its probably a pretty fruitless effort.
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No matter your opinion of oscar, I think its safe to say that after yesterday's win he is in very, very little danger now barring another collapse like we saw in the OOC. This team already has 2 Big 12 wins and will probably win at least 5 more. This was a road win better than any oscar had last year and could be better than any he had his first year (Baylor and Oklahoma that season were pretty good too). I'm not saying anyone should quit #BID, but at this point its probably a pretty fruitless effort.
Narrowly missing the ncaa and doing it again next year would be the perfect storm for BID.
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No matter your opinion of oscar, I think its safe to say that after yesterday's win he is in very, very little danger now barring another collapse like we saw in the OOC. This team already has 2 Big 12 wins and will probably win at least 5 more. This was a road win better than any oscar had last year and could be better than any he had his first year (Baylor and Oklahoma that season were pretty good too). I'm not saying anyone should quit #BID, but at this point its probably a pretty fruitless effort.
Narrowly missing the ncaa and doing it again next year would be the perfect storm for BID.
That would be a mess.
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No matter your opinion of oscar, I think its safe to say that after yesterday's win he is in very, very little danger now barring another collapse like we saw in the OOC. This team already has 2 Big 12 wins and will probably win at least 5 more. This was a road win better than any oscar had last year and could be better than any he had his first year (Baylor and Oklahoma that season were pretty good too). I'm not saying anyone should quit #BID, but at this point its probably a pretty fruitless effort.
Narrowly missing the ncaa and doing it again next year would be the perfect storm for BID.
That would be a mess.
Not protecting our home court for conference play would be extremely disappointing.
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7-2 at home minimum. The league is good. Then 3-6 minimum on the road. Hopefully better.
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My take on this season and oscar's prognosis was based on Marcus' state of mind and I'm not completely sure that issue is totally dead yet.
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"Who should replace oscar Weber?" I want to apologize for posting here by mistake. I have since found out this is a topic line is for clueless dip$h1ts with delusions of granduer.
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:sdeek:
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:Woot:
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My Wish List for the next head basketball coach.
1. Mitch Richmond
2. Doug Gottlieb
3. Jeff Capel
3b. Brad Underwood
3c. Archie Miller
Thoughts?
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yeah sure why not
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Mitch Richmond has shown no desire to coach as far as I know. Why would you try to hire a guy that doesn't want to do the job?
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My Wish List for the next head basketball coach.
1. Mitch Richmond - Assistant
2. Doug Gottlieb - Assistant
3. Jeff Capel Hell no.
1. Brad Underwood
3c. Archie Miller
Thoughts?
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what about Rich Mitchmond?
What did everyone think of that joke?
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No Capel.
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I have this crazy dream that both oscar and Brad Stevens are fired on the same day or within a few days, whenever that may be.
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why would we replace him?
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why would we replace him?
because we are k-state fans and we deserve better.
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My Wish List for the next head basketball coach.
1. Mitch Richmond - Assistant
2. Doug Gottlieb - Assistant
3. Jeff Capel Hell no.
1. Brad Underwood
3c. Archie Miller
Thoughts?
Frank Martin
Mike Rice
Bobby Knight
Don't care who is the head. I just want them to beat the crap out of this group of players until they leave. Then we can hire Brad Stevens or Shaka Smart with a bunch of assistants with no morals on the recruiting trail.
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Archie Miller would be great.
At this point, I'd be damn excited with oscar Pearl.
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Archie Miller would be great.
At this point, I'd be damn excited with oscar Pearl.
Was there a point when you were dumb enough to not be exited about Pearl?
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Danny Manning would be hilarious
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hilarious how
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I keep reading tucks mention Larry Bird in the same sentence as Wade. Next year's going to be a very hard landing to these dump asses.
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hilarious how
Use your imagination
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Any K-State fans that advocates for another year of oscar Weber needs to be committed to a mental institution.
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Archie Miller would be great.
At this point, I'd be damn excited with oscar Pearl.
Was there a point when you were dumb enough to not be exited about Pearl?
The guy comes with some baggage, my main reason to not be as excited as someone like Miller.
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I could, at least partially, get behind nearly anyone else right now.
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i still say kelvin sampson.
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Orlando Antigua
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Orlando Antigua
No.
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Any K-State fans that advocates for another year of oscar Weber needs to be committed to a mental institution.
Bring a straitjacket for me to FattyFest.
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Orlando Antigua
No.
I second this.
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Brad Underwood is the right answer. Unless we can get oscar pearl.
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Darren Kent
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What pisses me off most out of this situation is that we had to burn our program to the ground to potentially be in the position to let a coach come in that was a candidate three years ago. We could have easily hired Brad to continue the run. And we could have done it for cheap.
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i still say kelvin sampson.
Absolutely
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why would you hire coaches who can't run programs? (? for the lovers of Capel and Sampson)
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Sampson can run a program
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anyone in attendance at gene keady's wedding need not apply
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Sampson can run a program
he had several years away to think of inventive new ways to cheat and skirt the rules, and he is testing out his new ideas at houston to make sure he won't get caught. would be an A+ hire for k-state.
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Steve Prohm?
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There are a lot of good coaches and good programs that have a tough season here and there. Young team, some bad luck, a bounce here and bounce there, it happens. In those situations the coach gets the benefit of the doubt.
In K-State and oscar Weber's case . . . this is not one of those situations.
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hypothetically speaking, if oscar weber invited all goEMAW members to his house...and he got an opportunity to talk basketball with you, show you tape, demonstrate his knowledge and assessment of players, provide you all with insider info, etc...do you think there's a chance your opinion of him would change?
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I have this crazy dream that both oscar and Brad Stevens are fired on the same day or within a few days, whenever that may be.
When Brad Stevens leaves Boston it will be either for a blue blood college program or another NBA job. He is thought of very highly by NBA people.
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No because one of the biggest issues is he lost the team and the players hate him
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hypothetically speaking, if oscar weber invited all goEMAW members to his house...and he got an opportunity to talk basketball with you, show you tape, demonstrate his knowledge and assessment of players, provide you all with insider info, etc...do you think there's a chance your opinion of him would change?
No, I'd argue with him about pace and substitution patterns. Like why play 4 guards if you're going to slug it out in the half court against bigger, more skilled teams.
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hypothetically speaking, if oscar weber invited all goEMAW members to his house...and he got an opportunity to talk basketball with you, show you tape, demonstrate his knowledge and assessment of players, provide you all with insider info, etc...do you think there's a chance your opinion of him would change?
I don't have to know all the intricacies of captaining an oil tanker to know the guy driving the exxon valdez mumped something up.
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I'd probably dislike oscar more after a session like that with him.
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hypothetically speaking, if oscar weber invited all goEMAW members to his house...and he got an opportunity to talk basketball with you, show you tape, demonstrate his knowledge and assessment of players, provide you all with insider info, etc...do you think there's a chance your opinion of him would change?
The excuse of expertise is a good one for a bit, but results quickly overwhelm it.
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Ben Howland
can we compare/contrast Howland to Weber? Seems similar, though Howland had more elite success than oscar. But was inconsistent/sucked towards the end just like oscar (the exception being that Howland won the freaking conference the year he got let go - but had missed post season two of the previous 3 seasons before that). I dunno.
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Zacker and kk just stomped that dumb talking point
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Zacker and kk just stomped that dumb talking point
i've been here three days straight, running out of material. :frown:
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Ben Howland
can we compare/contrast Howland to Weber? Seems similar, though Howland had more elite success than oscar. But was inconsistent/sucked towards the end just like oscar (the exception being that Howland won the freaking conference the year he got let go - but had missed post season two of the previous 3 seasons before that). I dunno.
There's a lot of similarity. Although this section:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Howland#Players_in_the_NBA
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Steve Prohm?
He is my favorite in the young-up-and-comer-head-coaches category. My guess is he won't be at Murray State after this year because someone will scoop him up.