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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on December 28, 2014, 04:35:38 PM
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This team and this staff got exactly what they deserved. An offense with no punch where dribbling with no purpose is the main threat for for long stretches of the game. Mix in completely dumb decision after dumb decision like we saw in the last seconds to absolutely give away a win. 60% of the time the guys run around like they don't care. An entire half with no offensive board or FT attempt. And an opponent that should have gotten this groups full attention because of what they've done in the past week.
I used to complain because I thought Wooly didn't have the quality (or recruiting ability) to get his teams to make plays in clutch situations (and it was true), but at least they consistently played hard. This bunch oscar is rolling out seems to be regressing as the season goes along with no leadership, no drive, and no accountability. Its pathetic to watch and he should be accountable for rolling out another team like his later years at Illinois.
I apologize for being naive enough to believe that maybe he could change because its becoming increasingly obvious that he isn't.
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His last four Big Ten finishes: 2nd, 5th, 4th, 9th.
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Total lack of execution. Couldn't get the ball in the hands of Foster for FTs. Couldn't snare a must-have rebound.
Quinten Buchananisn.
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Total lack of execution. Couldn't get the ball in the hands of Foster for FTs. Couldn't snare a must-have rebound.
Quinten Buchananisn.
There is lack of execution and then there is just bad. We are just bad. Gip is an 80% FT shooter and went 4-10. Everything about the last few seconds was terrible. It would be nice to point out just a couple points of lacking execution, but there is just so many. We are just terrible and there's nothing else to say.
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Don't foul a three point shooter. We foul a three point shooter.
Don't give up an offensive rebound on missed free throw. We give up an offensive rebound on a missed free thrown. (Hurt could have been playing here.)
Don't throw the ball away on the baseline without touching it. We throw the ball away on the baseline without touching it.
Don't let them get the ball near the basket for a good touch. We let them get the ball in the middle of the lane for an easy shot.
That was only the last 4 seconds. There were other whole stretches like that.
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Is this the "turn out the lights" thread for oscar?
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Don't foul a three point shooter. We foul a three point shooter.
Don't give up an offensive rebound on missed free throw. We give up an offensive rebound on a missed free thrown. (Hurt could have been playing here.)
Don't throw the ball away on the baseline without touching it. We throw the ball away on the baseline without touching it.
Don't let them get the ball near the basket for a good touch. We let them get the ball in the middle of the lane for an easy shot.
That was only the last 4 seconds. There were other whole stretches like that.
Typical of bad teams with bad coaches.
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His last four Big Ten finishes: 2nd, 5th, 4th, 9th.
Why not use five? Then you could have tidy 9th place bookends. Symmetry.
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Is this the "turn out the lights" thread for oscar?
No, this is the stats thread which is very scientific.
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Why did we have our shortest player inbounding the ball with .9 left? Most teams will put a player on the ball to make the pass tougher. Yet we put our awful and short player to do that?
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Why did we have our shortest player inbounding the ball with .9 left? Most teams will put a player on the ball to make the pass tougher. Yet we put our awful and short player to do that?
Easy answer: oscar.
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His last four Big Ten finishes: 2nd, 5th, 4th, 9th.
Why not use five? Then you could have tidy 9th place bookends. Symmetry.
That makes my point equally well if not better.
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Why did we have our shortest player inbounding the ball with .9 left? Most teams will put a player on the ball to make the pass tougher. Yet we put our awful and short player to do that?
Yeah, Bolden is pretty long. Maybe oscar thought he might make a mistake that would cost us the game?
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Horrifying
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His last four Big Ten finishes: 2nd, 5th, 4th, 9th.
Why not use five? Then you could have tidy 9th place bookends. Symmetry.
That makes my point equally well if not better.
Which is what? That oscar's last several teams were pretty good?
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Is this the "turn out the lights" thread for oscar?
burn down the lights.
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His last four Big Ten finishes: 2nd, 5th, 4th, 9th.
Why not use five? Then you could have tidy 9th place bookends. Symmetry.
That makes my point equally well if not better.
Which is what? That oscar's last several teams were pretty good?
Yeah, I don't think it's fair to say that his later years were bad.
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Why did we have our shortest player inbounding the ball with .9 left? Most teams will put a player on the ball to make the pass tougher. Yet we put our awful and short player to do that?
Yeah, Bolden is pretty long. Maybe oscar thought he might make a mistake that would cost us the game?
I hate point guards taking the ball out. I saw this at a 1A girls game a couple of weeks ago and it drove me crazy.
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Shoot 53% eFG, have a FTR of 44%, and only turn the ball 1/6 of poss.....
And we still lose at home while being well under 1.00 PPP.
Jevon had a few bonehead plays late, but it's almost embarrassing that Jevon had 6 Reb to 1 for Gip, and they played about the same # of minutes today.
FAN is right, this team seems to just go through the motions, with little energy or desire, with a not really giving a crap attitude.
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Bunch of pussies on this team that exhibit no leadership.
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K-State is currently giving up 1.01 points per possession through 12 games. The last time K-State gave up more than 1.00 PPP for a season was 2001-2002.
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After successfully converting the intentional missed free throw -- a play head coach Mike Davis admits he hasn't practiced with this team -- Texas Southern ran an inbounds play with very little success so far for Jason Carter and it worked. The collapse was complete.
"We called the last play for Jason. We were running this play all season and it hadn't worked yet, hadn't ran it right, hadn't screened right the whole time, and hadn't really gone over in practice because I've been trying to get our tempo to get better. Jason got the ball shot it and it went in."
"I didn't see it coming," Carter added. "It just got there, I got the ball and finished the play. It was just a lucky shot, I guess, I don't know."
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K-State is currently giving up 1.01 points per possession through 12 games. The last time K-State gave up more than 1.00 PPP for a season was 2001-2002.
for the non OBz on the blog that was Wooly's first season, a team that went 4-12 and actually gave real minutes during conference games to Rashad Washington. Man, I would love to have Larry Reid on this team tho
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We actually seemed to stop the dribble drive at a high level today than most of the season. We had to many turnovers that caused fastbreak points. Nino is always going to be a defensive liability because he as crap for brains. Gip is being super selfish as a player, really disappointing. Edwards seemed to take a small step forward today.
Team looks super young.
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yeah, williams was the defensive liability. :blank:
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60% of the time the guys run around like they don't care.
All that really needs to be said.
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My EMAW really needs a win against UCLA. :frown:
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We actually seemed to stop the dribble drive at a high level today than most of the season. We had to many turnovers that caused fastbreak points. Nino is always going to be a defensive liability because he as crap for brains. Gip is being super selfish as a player, really disappointing. Edwards seemed to take a small step forward today.
Team looks super young.
I'm not willing to give these guys the youth excuse whenever most of them played significant minutes last year.
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Anyone with eyes can see that nobody on the team gives a crap. It's a crime that they have scholarships at this point. I never thought I'd say this and it feels gross but I miss Will Spradling something fierce right now.
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I think people are confusing lack of talent for lack of effort.
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Anyone with eyes can see that nobody on the team gives a crap. It's a crime that they have scholarships at this point. I never thought I'd say this and it feels gross but I miss Will Spradling something fierce right now.
You are absolutely the worst. What makes you so maddening is that your stupidity is so self assured. If you went blind would you stop posting, if so Go Macular Degeneration Go.
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Anyone with eyes can see that nobody on the team gives a crap. It's a crime that they have scholarships at this point. I never thought I'd say this and it feels gross but I miss Will Spradling something fierce right now.
You are absolutely the worst. What makes you so maddening is that your stupidity is so self assured. If you went blind would you stop posting, if so Go Macular Degeneration Go.
Lol do you really think anyone gives a eff what you think about them? You sound like a miserable prick desperately in need of constant validation.
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I feel like Will may be partly to blame simply from proximity, being that he is still in Manhattan.
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kstate didn't play very hard yesterday. i'm surprised statements to that effect elicit any controversy.
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kstate didn't play very hard yesterday. i'm surprised statements to that effect elicit any controversy.
they don't, really. the controversy surrounds why it's the case.
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they don't, really. the controversy surrounds why it's the case.
yeah, i guess that's true.
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Anyone with eyes can see that nobody on the team gives a crap. It's a crime that they have scholarships at this point. I never thought I'd say this and it feels gross but I miss Will Spradling something fierce right now.
You are absolutely the worst. What makes you so maddening is that your stupidity is so self assured. If you went blind would you stop posting, if so Go Macular Degeneration Go.
Lol do you really think anyone gives a eff what you think about them? You sound like a miserable prick desperately in need of constant validation.
I'm in need of constant need of validation because I want you to go blind? I think you shouldn't use words if you don't know what they mean. I'd tell you that it makes you look stupid but I don't think you have had an insightful thought in your life. Let me know if you don't understand this post like you misunderstood the last one, I'll use smaller words if I need to.
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Anyone with eyes can see that nobody on the team gives a crap. It's a crime that they have scholarships at this point. I never thought I'd say this and it feels gross but I miss Will Spradling something fierce right now.
You are absolutely the worst. What makes you so maddening is that your stupidity is so self assured. If you went blind would you stop posting, if so Go Macular Degeneration Go.
Lol do you really think anyone gives a eff what you think about them? You sound like a miserable prick desperately in need of constant validation.
I'm in need of constant need of validation because I want you to go blind? I think you shouldn't use words if you don't know what they mean. I'd tell you that it makes you look stupid but I don't think you have had an insightful thought in your life. Let me know if you don't understand this post like you misunderstood the last one, I'll use smaller words if I need to.
You are kind of a dick MIR. All he said was what he thinks of the team and you called him out. Kick his ass Mixed Berry
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Anyone with eyes can see that nobody on the team gives a crap. It's a crime that they have scholarships at this point. I never thought I'd say this and it feels gross but I miss Will Spradling something fierce right now.
You are absolutely the worst. What makes you so maddening is that your stupidity is so self assured. If you went blind would you stop posting, if so Go Macular Degeneration Go.
Lol do you really think anyone gives a eff what you think about them? You sound like a miserable prick desperately in need of constant validation.
I'm in need of constant need of validation because I want you to go blind? I think you shouldn't use words if you don't know what they mean. I'd tell you that it makes you look stupid but I don't think you have had an insightful thought in your life. Let me know if you don't understand this post like you misunderstood the last one, I'll use smaller words if I need to.
You are kind of a dick MIR. All he said was what he thinks of the team and you called him out. Kick his ass Mixed Berry
Congrats on graduating from calling people pussies
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kstate didn't play very hard yesterday. i'm surprised statements to that effect elicit any controversy.
I think it's not that they may or may not have, but it's the idea that just more effort is all that's needed.
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We haven't played nearly as hard since Frank left. It just hasn't led to many losses until this year.
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The eFG% we're giving up is the worst since 02 by over 3%. And our offensive TO% is the 2nd worst in that span.
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Lance Harris wasn't like Rodney McGruder because he just didn't try hard enough? I mean, I get that we don't focus on what is typically called "effort" things, like rebounding, but our players are crap outside of Gip and Foster.
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Lance Harris wasn't like Rodney McGruder because he just didn't try hard enough? I mean, I get that we don't focus on what is typically called "effort" things, like rebounding, but our players are crap outside of Gip and Foster.
You must really think a lot of Spradling, Southwell, and DJamer, then.
Talent isn't the issue IMO
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Don't pretend we were some amazing team last year. We finished exactly middle of the pack in the league and didn't win an NCAA or B12 tourney game. We were MEH city.
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Don't pretend we were some amazing team last year. We finished exactly middle of the pack in the league and didn't win an NCAA or B12 tourney game. We were MEH city.
This is true, and the team benefited from Okie State's injuries, et al, otherwise it would have been an 18 win team that went to the NIT. But it was a pleasant surprise last year wasn't this year, which most fully expected.
That gave me the false sense of security that the staff was professionally competent and wouldn't put an embarrassing, amateurish product on the floor. Evidence of the last month suggest my modest assessment was wildly optimistic.
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The eFG% we're giving up is the worst since 02 by over 3%. And our offensive TO% is the 2nd worst in that span.
The TO rate kind of illustrates my post above. Weber's first team here was great at protecting the ball. I gave him and the staff way too much credit for that, which was obviously the result of Angel and a veteran club and probably taking fewer riss in transition than was allowed under Frank. The low TO rate helped offset the poor rebounding. Now that we can't do either . . .
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The eFG% we're giving up is the worst since 02 by over 3%. And our offensive TO% is the 2nd worst in that span.
The TO rate kind of illustrates my post above. Weber's first team here was great at protecting the ball. I gave him and the staff way too much credit for that, which was obviously the result of Angel and a veteran club and probably taking fewer riss in transition than was allowed under Frank. The low TO rate helped offset the poor rebounding. Now that we can't do either . . .
The offensive rebounding has actually been decent under oscar.
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Don't pretend we were some amazing team last year. We finished exactly middle of the pack in the league and didn't win an NCAA or B12 tourney game. We were MEH city.
this. it wasn't some magical year, had a couple of nice wins. but the last month was god f'ing awful. i'm not saying effort isn't a component of the problem, but it's not the sole reason. The problem is that players that we thought were good or going to be good, aren't. That's talent. Jevon can try his rough ridin' ass off and he is just going to suck trying.